I beleive we are still very angry with SOE.

Originally posted by Warsong

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by Yvese

I'm taking a chance here and hope that atleast one or a few devs from SWTOR read MMO sites like this one in hopes to see initial thoughts on their game, so here goes:
 

Please stick with your gut. I like the fact that you guys are focusing hard on story, and making sure that it will be a great MMO experience. WIth that said, when the game releases, TRY not to listen too much to the 'QQers'. These 'qqers' is what ruined WoW ever since the end of TBC. Sure, listen to suggestions, but always go with YOUR gut. You guys make the game, not the player. We're just here for the ride.

Please don't be like Blizzard and milk your franchise by making the game extremely easy just to get more subs. While I understand you're trying to make money, there are those of us that want a great game as well. You devs working on the game already have a vision. Follow it. Don't let cry babies change that.

I'm still playing WoW, only because all the other MMO's I've played are either WoW clones, or have had little impact to make me want to keep playing their game. However, with the recent patch notes ( 3.2 ), and the fact that they're further trivializing the game, I'm beginning to worry that this is the path that all future MMO's will take: Catering to casuals in order to make the big bucks.

No longer does Blizzard care about the quality of their game. All they care about now is $ and subscriber #'s to advertise.

I personally want a challenging MMO again, like how WoW used to be PRE-BC. You may say pre-bc wasn't very hard, but WoW was my first MMO so I don't have as much experience with games like EQ1, SWG, or DAOC.

Just wanted to get that off my chest =p

 

Don't listen to this guy. There is no point asking people to devote their LIVES to a GAME. WOW has it right .. accessible and does not take a lot to enjoy.

It is a myth that only DIFFICULT things have quality. Just make your stories/gameplay interesting and accessible (i.e. everyone can get to the content) and they will come.

 

Don't listen to either of these guys, the first is completely inexperienced regarding MMO's and the latter is just a WoW fan boy. You "can" make a game that has an 8 year old simple area/experience and you can have a more challenging experience for the still large camp of minorities who want some depth and challenge. Making a game that satifies both of the main MMO camps is possible. But then after it releases stick to your guns and dont listen to any of the whiners from either camp.

Make the game where it has the element of being a player ran and driven MMORPG with enough simple NPC content that even an 8 year old can enjoy it and leave all other MMO's in the dust. There really is no other reason that you can not satisfy both of the main MMO camps save a lack of vision and execution.

Listen to this guy! Another NGE won't hurt LucasArts or the Star Wars Franchise any more!

Originally posted by Draccan

 

New trailer looked sweet and awesome. But what is a cinematics trailer for a game? Nothing. Once you play the game it won't matter. Cinematics trailers are just fun. And this one rivalled some of the best cinematics I have seen.

 

But truth is that Bioware is still keeping major parts of what this game is about under wraps. But for sure some things can be concluded now:

1. Classes. Players will be stuck in one class.
http://www.swtor.com/info/holonet/classes
Seems to be eight classes. Jedi: Trooper, Jedi, Smuggler | Sith: Sith, Bounty Hunter

2. Factions. Players will be stuck in a faction - nothings points to mobility in allegiance.
Treaty of Coruscant = no real pvp
http://www.swtor.com/info/holonet/allegiances

3. Space. Not going to be included. We would have known by now.
Some will add: SWG didn't have it at launch, but this isn't 2003. Market is now very over-saturated with mmos and will be even more in a few years. Companies like Funcom counts on selling just enough copies at launch to give them a surplus. They know their games don't have lasting potential. ToR will have even less longevity than AoC.

4. Instances. Hard to say, but I wouldn't be surprised they go the way of AoC.

5. Crafting. Bioware states time and time again that this game is about story and heroes. Crafting is not part of their thought-proces. It isn't that slick, so why include it. Crafting is about creating your OWN story. And Bioware's idea of story-telling is that THEY need to direct your story.

6. Non-combat classes. This game will center on heroes. Meaning, vanilla gameplay with limited options. Don't expect anything but minor non-combat skills.

7.  Release date. Not going to be before 2011. These games always get postponed. Just wait and see. Could even be later.

8. Gameplay linear? Yes it will be. While technically possible to create great stories in a non-linear environment.

9. Housing? Player Cities? Housing and player cities also goes against the grain of their story-driven mmo where players are heroes, not housebuilder or crafters.

10. Combat system. Not much is known. But it will be smaller variety on the WoW/EQ formula. Sort of like other games like TCoS or AoC tries to change the formula. Don't expect something truly different, but something towards those lines. Maybe with a few twitch elements here and there.

11. Jedis. This time period is chosen to appeal to all the kids who wants to have a light-saber swining jedi (or sith). It is the lowest common denominator. There is no two ways about. But the uniqueness of the jedi character will drown in the multitudes of them after a while. Will that feeling of "wow a lightsaber" last?

12. PvP. A bit unclear. Except it to be children friendly. But since it is factional there must be some. A cross between WoW and WAR is not unheard of. Can anyone honestly expect something more hardcore with the direction this game is taking?

13. Graphics. Most likely next-gen graphics. Some improvements on existing ways of doing it. Maybe similar to AoC quality.

 

Conclusion:

This game is the NGE that LA always wanted. It will be linear, story-driven, have few hours of longevity, cater to the light-saber crowds, kids - tie in with graphical style of the Clone Wars, little crafting, not hardcore pvp, not many options, but lots of hand-holding and lead you through the maze..

Some might now jump in and say that it is guess-work, that we don't know all the facts; that maybe there will be deep crafting, hardcore pvp, housing, space flight etc. But these comments are ignorant and nothing to do with the truth. Truth is that the path of TOR is already set and it is set up for eye candy and a hollow gameplay. Not a real MMO as it won't be that massive or free.

Games make and break at launch now. There is no time to make space six to twelve months after (and what good did it really do SWG in the long run). There is no time to make that expansion that fixes all the problems (WAR + AoC). Either you make it or you will suffer a slow, suffocating death.

Bioware has taken the easy route of doing everything as simple and dumped-down as possible. It won't be hardcore pvp, it won't be massive diverse game with many play-options like crafting and non-combat professions.

What game companies does not understand is that the whole foundation of mmos is built around the principle that players should have the option of doing what THEY want in the game. Interact in many ways and not just kill-botting each other or npcs over and over. The combat oriented gamer should want the crafters and non-combatees to give flair and atmosphere to their game - to be able to interact with when needing an armour or a new weapon. This is what breathes life into the genre.

What Bioware is doing is to put one more nail in the mmo genre coffin. This game might get close to a million boxes sold or even 1.5 - but in the end it will be like many other mmos out there with empty, EMPTY servers after six months. People will buy it for the name, Star Wars, but leave when they see there is no freedom in this game. For Bioware it will mean not only breaking even, but also making a big chunk of cash - but for the players - the gaming community - it is just one more way to kill PC gaming..

 

Draccan

 

Update:
http://www.starwarsmmo.net/news/edge-magazine-bioware-interview/
The Old Republics Game Director - new interview:

"Most importantly, you never want people to have to look for fun. People want to be guided - they don't want to have to find the fun."

 

Post again when you can varify your comments.
 

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by BadgerSmaker

SWG wont be shutting down, we're doing rather actually.

 

We're?  Do you work for SOE? 

No but he likes to think he does.

Yes sadly Blizzard treats the victims that were hacked as if they are criminals. I beleive they should be able to be charged with fraud for shutting down accounts that have been hacked. After all you paid for a service and they shut it down after someone hacked your pc. Blizz in their own way are criminals.

I suppose your also going to say the other Starbuck here on MMORPG is me also. The fact is you are just trolling those who don't agree with you.

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by Starbuck1771

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by ozmono

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by Starbuck1771

 

Who got an alt? I don't so try another line. Maybe they should just ban asskissers like you who want to ruin the trek experiance for others.

 

Yes that's it. My entire purpose of spreading facts about what will really be in game is some conspiracy that me and the ENTIRE BOARD OF STO is involved in. We secretly shut interiors out of the game because we knew that there would be a group of people playing this game would want to live a second life in a space ship. So me and the entire group on that forum wanted to make sure that even fewer of you as possible would be playing this game that Cryptic is spending millions on. My asskissing hasn't been successful though because they still haven't changed their mind on some of the things I want in game such as playable Borg or playable merchants. Maybe if I was more like you and whined like a teenager who lost her virginity to a bully I would be more successful.The spamming of the same topic over and over obviously didn't work for you and neither did bashing the company on a daily basis. Any other suggestions?

 

I have a suggestion, shut up.

You accuse him of something without any supporting evidence and than you rant on and on when he does the same to you. Your almost as bad as the other asskisser, who came up with the smear campaign and interior poll rigging conspiracy theories. More people disagree with me they must be alts!

If you ever spent one minute in the official forums you would see that my accusations against him are valid. If I am wrong (which I highly doubt) then I apoligize. Still doesn't excuse his trollish and spammish behavior.
 

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Just so that you know idiot I hardly ever post on the STO forums. However you constantly post insults to those who do not agree with you or the dev team. If anybody goes to the STO forums and reads a lot of your replies they will see that.. Just like you started makeing accusations here in this post when I rarely post here and then name calling in the other thread because I do not agree with Cryptics decision on space combat.

Now who comes out looking like a spammer and a Troll? In fact you do.

 

We can now add liar to you as well because anyone that has been around that site would know that what you are saying is completely false. I start threads on many different kinds of topics and have a good repore with many there.There are a lot of negatives replies to you and one or two other posters because you guys post the same tripe all the time until you get banned. Then you turn back up with a similiar name complaining about the same drivel. I've seen four different variations of Starbuck on that site.Don't try and tell me they are four different people complaining about the same thing.

This is the only name I have posted on there with thank you very much. As for Bans I have not received one there and have only received a 3 day suspension once. do you even know how popular the name starbuck even is? Unless your a fan of Moby Dick, Coffee, or Battlestar Gallactica I guess not. Just because you see more then one starbuck does not mean they are all the same person. Let me guess you like to make up conspiracy theorys?

Originally posted by warrior41

 From the official site words of Craig Zinkavech: 

There will be plenty of interiors in the game at launch - there are plenty in the game right now and I don't see them going anywhere. : )

You will be taken to interiors during instanced missions. You'll go to them in persistent ways as well - mostly social, but also in other cases that I'm going to be vague about right now on purpose : ) - There are starbases, satellites, ship interiors (yes, ships), buildings on the ground, caverns under the earth or deep in asteroids - all sorts of places you'll adventure within interiors.

Sadly, what we won't have at launch is the ability for you to customize your own ship, invite other players over and walkaround, seeing hundreds of NPC crew members and investigate every nook, cranny and Jefferies tube on it. We want to make sure that when we a feature like this in, it is a robust system that people will love, not just a marketing bullet point on the back of the box.

 

WHAT DO YOU THINK? DOES IT SAY ANYTHING NEW? 

SOE & SWG ring any bells? SOE made the same type of statements about SWG . Were they ever fullfilled? No we are still waiting for capital ships, gardening,  and more. The fact is until they fulfill what they say it is a lie.The only real experiance Cryptic has with MMO's is CoH/CoV but they will need to change their development style completely or the game will most likely end up a bust.
 

Originally posted by rensta

i say yes to buffs 

No Buffs look at what they have done to SWG!

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by ozmono

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by Starbuck1771

 

Who got an alt? I don't so try another line. Maybe they should just ban asskissers like you who want to ruin the trek experiance for others.

 

Yes that's it. My entire purpose of spreading facts about what will really be in game is some conspiracy that me and the ENTIRE BOARD OF STO is involved in. We secretly shut interiors out of the game because we knew that there would be a group of people playing this game would want to live a second life in a space ship. So me and the entire group on that forum wanted to make sure that even fewer of you as possible would be playing this game that Cryptic is spending millions on. My asskissing hasn't been successful though because they still haven't changed their mind on some of the things I want in game such as playable Borg or playable merchants. Maybe if I was more like you and whined like a teenager who lost her virginity to a bully I would be more successful.The spamming of the same topic over and over obviously didn't work for you and neither did bashing the company on a daily basis. Any other suggestions?

 

I have a suggestion, shut up.

You accuse him of something without any supporting evidence and than you rant on and on when he does the same to you. Your almost as bad as the other asskisser, who came up with the smear campaign and interior poll rigging conspiracy theories. More people disagree with me they must be alts!

If you ever spent one minute in the official forums you would see that my accusations against him are valid. If I am wrong (which I highly doubt) then I apoligize. Still doesn't excuse his trollish and spammish behavior.
 

Your post count: Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 435
 

My post count: Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 213

Just so that you know idiot I hardly ever post on the STO forums. However you constantly post insults to those who do not agree with you or the dev team. If anybody goes to the STO forums and reads a lot of your replies they will see that.. Just like you started makeing accusations here in this post when I rarely post here and then name calling in the other thread because I do not agree with Cryptics decision on space combat.

Now who comes out looking like a spammer and a Troll? In fact you do.

Originally posted by Elikal

Sounds like STO is like SWG's "Jump to Lightspeed" just without the rest of the game, lol.

I guess the space combat is going to be similar to PotBS, just 3d.

Actualy from what I understand it will be like starfleet command or bridge commander. Personaly if thats the best Cryptic can do for an MMORPG based on such a huge IP. Then they sure in they heck don't have much talent. To make their reputation worse they cant get the interiors done and when questioned about their choices they act like a bunch of Nazi's. They have no imagination or skill in developing this type of game what so ever.

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by Blackstaff42

Originally posted by warrior41

 I'v had numerous thread closed just for mentioning ship interiors. I authored a thread not about ship interiros but that started to discuss ship interiors and it was deleted. Try it. Put a thread out on the official forums that mentions ship interiors and it will get deleted. 

 Why? Cryptic? Can't take the heat? 

 Why not quell the unrest by confirming not hoping that you will put them in after launch. 

 

This guy as been harping on ST:O sense the first day they opened the site. I am so glad they finally baned him on the real site so he coudn't open 3 "The graphics suck" threads per day.

 

Hopefully Cryptic can start tracing IP addresses so that posters like him and Starbuck don't keep creating alts.

Who got an alt? I don't so try another line. Maybe they should just ban asskissers like you who want to ruin the trek experiance for others.

Originally posted by Hagonbok

Originally posted by miagisan

Originally posted by oddjobs74

I am not a Player Crew person, as I don't really see how it could work. (full time anyhow) Looking past surface value of what the premise of the game is, I don't think it's an unreasonable assumption that this is a single player game. This is in evidence by the misspelling of the title of their own game. Sadly, this is becoming a more common mistake these days.

It's also a coincidence that games with misspelled titles are proving to be massive single player games.

 

worked just fine in swg when you needed 2-8 people for the bigger ships

Well except for most people hating it and the game that is.

Hmmm where are all of these I hate POB ships threads you are claiming exsists? As for people hateing SWG that has no bearing on the topic at hand because that was due to changes in the core game not space.

So  unless you can make a logical arguement in defence of your statements your coments have no merit.
 

Originally posted by Hagonbok

Originally posted by Krasny

 

Yes thousands of players will be playing their missions online, but how do players interact during play?

 

The exact same way they do in every other game. What about not having player crews stops players from interacting? As I asked in another thread, please explain the difference between 5 players grouping on a ship, and five players grouping with their ships?

 

It'll be the same answer as there.

 

There is absolutely no difference.

Hmm lets think about this! Maybe the fact that not everybody wants to be Kirk, Pacard, Sisko,  Janeway,or Archer. Some of us want to be scotty, Worf, Odo,  Paris, or T'pol. Why is it so hard for you to see past your own nose?
 

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Because the game is being marketted towards the ultra casual crowd, and you can't allow casuals to interact with other people online, they just won't have it. They demand 100% solo gameplay 100% of the time!

This is supposed to be a MMORPG ( Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game) Not a massively single player game. If casual players are that ghey then MMORPG's are not for them and they should buy a Star Trek Game that is single player like star trek Legacy and leave the MMO's alone. As for why no interiors and player crews it's because the devs at cryptic do not have an ounce of imagination or talent. For proof look at CoH/CoV which was garbage IMO , and then Champions  another IP owned by someone other then cryptic couple that with STO it shows lack of imagination because cryptic has very little to do with the creation process.

Originally posted by Hagonbok

They serve no purpose whatsoever except as fluff . Totally inconsequential to one's enjotment of the game play. Most fluff is always best left for content patches and expansions. I'm glad they made the decision.

 

Not only does it show that they want to get the core game play fully flushed out and working properly, but more and more it appears that making this decision is yet another one that seems to be weeding out the whiney and caustic payers the game won't need.

 

There's something SWG should have done

 

Great decision making Cryptic!

I disagree. If they want to make a Star Trek MMO they should do it right the first time. don't you ever get tired of that brown ring  Hagon?

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by Starbuck1771

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by Hagonbok

I'm glad that they made the decision to hold off adding them. It's eviidence to me that they want to remain focused on much more vital core elements of the game instead of fluff that few will care about. Too many games waste time and resources on useless things like this before release, and too often have other much more important features and elements suffer because of it.

Kudos to Cryptic for showing smarts yet again.

 

That's how I feel. I'd rather spend time exploring the galaxy than my own ship. They already said that interiors will be added in later. The point of the game is to explore strange new worlds, not strange new quarters.

There is no viable reason they cant work on both which is what you fail to understand. You dont want to comprimise on the situation in the slightest amount. You dont understand other people feel differently then you and tyou try to make them the bad guys for it. Well guess what dispite how you feel people are still discussing the situation on the STO forums. Will it stop anytime soon? Well that will be up to the guys at Cryptic but I don't see it happening especialy since they fail to listen to the potential subscribers. Hmmm reminds me of SOE and SWG.
 

It's not my decision to make so there is nothing to compromise about. I wish I could play a Borg, but guess what? All the whining and complaining and stomping of feet isn't going to change that fact will it? I wish there were merchants in this game. And (here's a shocker for you) I wish there WERE some interiors in the game. And there WILL be. Just not at the launch of the game. You and your alts are the ones  unwilling to compromise. Least your precious interiors are planned for a future date. Me and my wishes to play a Borg will probably never see the light of day. Still doesn't mean I have the right to troll every thread on the sight and be a douchbag, which is what you were basically being about the subject. Either accept the decision or move on. 

 

By the way, comparing SOE to Cryptic only makes you look ignorant. 

i disagree IMO City of Heroes / City of Villains is just as crappy a game as Matrix Online.
 

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by Hagonbok

I'm glad that they made the decision to hold off adding them. It's eviidence to me that they want to remain focused on much more vital core elements of the game instead of fluff that few will care about. Too many games waste time and resources on useless things like this before release, and too often have other much more important features and elements suffer because of it.

Kudos to Cryptic for showing smarts yet again.

 

That's how I feel. I'd rather spend time exploring the galaxy than my own ship. They already said that interiors will be added in later. The point of the game is to explore strange new worlds, not strange new quarters.

There is no viable reason they cant work on both which is what you fail to understand. You dont want to comprimise on the situation in the slightest amount. You dont understand other people feel differently then you and tyou try to make them the bad guys for it. Well guess what dispite how you feel people are still discussing the situation on the STO forums. Will it stop anytime soon? Well that will be up to the guys at Cryptic but I don't see it happening especialy since they fail to listen to the potential subscribers. Hmmm reminds me of SOE and SWG.
 

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by Starbuck1771

Originally posted by Wolfdor

I guess we shouldn't really be surprised.  When you claim an MMORPG can be fully developed and shipped in under two years, like Jack Emmert does.  I guess we shouldn't be surprised when that MMORPG turns out to be a incomplete, half assed, lazy, hunk of junk.  It's already showing in their Champions Online game, almost every interview done at NYCC, the person being interviewed answered most questions with "We'd like to eventually have that, but it won't be in at launch".  Cryptic's only concern these days, is proving they have an engine they can sell to other developers to quickly make MMORPG's in half the time.  They could care less about doing the Star Trek licence any remote form of justice.

 

Everyone wants to copy WoW now days, except the one area they should copying them from, their development time and not releasing til they're ready for launch.

 

I 100% agree! Cryptic are a buch of retards for leaveing out something so integral to the Trek experiance at launch. I already questioned their motives on their own forums and got infractions because they refuse to face the reality of it.  Artaryl  one of their Mods seems to be a jerk about the subject.

 

No, you got infractions(and then a ban) because you kept whining about it in every thread. That's trolling. There were already two threads on the Interior subject and yet your latest attempt was to hijack a screenshot thread. Don't come  on these forums as a victim of the big bad DEVS when it was your own fault.

Actualy I got banned for excessive negativity in telling the truth on their forums. Which just like you if someone doesn't agree with what your saying they are wrong. but guess what my ban has been lifted I just choose not to reply to those that are clearly suck-ups.

Originally posted by Wolfdor

I guess we shouldn't really be surprised.  When you claim an MMORPG can be fully developed and shipped in under two years, like Jack Emmert does.  I guess we shouldn't be surprised when that MMORPG turns out to be a incomplete, half assed, lazy, hunk of junk.  It's already showing in their Champions Online game, almost every interview done at NYCC, the person being interviewed answered most questions with "We'd like to eventually have that, but it won't be in at launch".  Cryptic's only concern these days, is proving they have an engine they can sell to other developers to quickly make MMORPG's in half the time.  They could care less about doing the Star Trek licence any remote form of justice.

 

Everyone wants to copy WoW now days, except the one area they should copying them from, their development time and not releasing til they're ready for launch.

I 100% agree! Cryptic are a buch of retards for leaveing out something so integral to the Trek experiance at launch. I already questioned their motives on their own forums and got infractions because they refuse to face the reality of it.  Artaryl  one of their Mods seems to be a jerk about the subject.