Originally posted by unherdninja

       Now I bet alot of you expect this to be some crazy troll thread. It's not. Im just stating a prediction for the future.

      Age's ago before WoW came out you can look back on these forum's and see many post's saying how great WoW will be. It was great. Now the same thing is happening here with WAR. Many post's are being made about how great it will be. It will be great.

      Let's say WAR end's up getting 8 million player's. Will it still be considered great by the forum's? Or will it become just like WoW, waiting to get flamed for ruining MMO's forever.

     This is just something Ive begun to think about. If it prove's true then I think I can make conclusion that the MMO community doesnt base a game on good gameplay but how many member's it has.

    Comment below. Thank you!

Regardless of wether it got 8 or 8 million subscribers, there will ALWAYS be plenty of trolls to flame the game.

No-one actually gives a rats-ass what forumites think in the greater scheme of things, people who put stock in forum opinions do so at their peril.

The "mmo community" is NOT limited to forumites, maybe 10-20% actually read/post on forums, most just enjoy a game for what it is. Case in point, Warcraft. Imagine if 8 million people actually posted on a forum :)

Originally posted by banthis

Originally posted by Lonesamurai1

And still no word on the Euro Beta...

 

What about the Euro Beta?   Its been in session for as long as the NA Beta...and if you check the Euro Website it invites people at the same time as the NA Beta....the boom studios promotion was a NA only promotion though as far as I remember (could be wrong).   So what is it you wanna know about Euro Beta...it exists....people are in it...etc etc. thats all people can tell you.

Euro beta is being run at exactly the same time as US beta, just because you didn't get in doesn't mean it's not running.

Skaven and Slann.

Originally posted by Amalaric

I understand that they didn't plan to implement all the races and classes into the online game at the very beginning.

I myself won't buy the game until all the races and classes are implementet into the online game that exists in the tabletop game.

Personally I'd love to see Undead and Skaven, Slann and all the other races implemented, but it's just not going to happen.

You have any idea how many classes you are talking about? Literally hundreds!! It's a fantasy. 20 classes and 6 races is plenty for a start.

Looks like you'll never be buying this game and, for the reasons you state, thats just a shame.

If EU is behind US there will be a huge uproar.

The main problem with DAoC was we were always behind the US, when they had all the cool new stuff, we were 2-3 months behind and it sucked.

GOA have promised their faithful long-suffereing customers there will be synergy this time, i only hope the release dates are the same and they stay true to their word.

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Originally posted by smitty0356
The bottom line is that many of these reductions are not a terribly huge deal, BUT they are just the tip of the iceberg in terms of what mythic has had to compromise on.  If people say that this reduction makes the game BETTER or that it means nothing, cannot see what other companies have done to their customers after making cuts like this, this close to launch.

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Care to explain this statement?
What do you think you know? What exactly has Mythic had to compromise on? Tip of what imaginary iceberg? They chose this course of action for the betterment of the release, there is no compromise and no-one forced their hand.
Love to hear what it is you think you know. Cast your fingers over your Crystal Bullshi.., sry, Ball and tell us the future, tell us what this portends.
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The class either wasn't working as they wanted or couldn't easily be balanced without more work.

This may not be the end of the Blackguard, it is still entirely possible they will fix the class and get it in the game, just not for release.

Thanks for posting this.

I for one support them in their decisions and applaud them for their honesty and clarity.

Roll on release

Talk about over-reacting.

The 4 temporarily removed classes cannot be made to function as the devs want without a serious amount of work, this means either another release delay is necessary, or they could release the game with broken classes OR they could suspend what doesn't work and release a game with 20 classes that do work and a capital city for each faction.

Want another SWG with half the classes broken at release?

Want another AoC with loads of broken content at release?

Perhaps another Vanguard?

Mythic know what they are doing, they are being very open about why these classes and some of the capitals have been have been dropped from release (to be added at a later date).

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by Fodfod

I have great news everyone, GameWorldGr just posted today the latest exclusive video of DArkfall.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1wA6yRetDI

I think we can finally all agree that the game is REAL.

Die trolls, you just got OWNED!!

 

Fodford took aim with his new custom made shotgun. He had the nearest troll squarely in his sights. He grinned to himself as he slowly pulled the trigger.

 

......and the shotgun blew up in his face!

One of the best self-ownage posts ever

Originally posted by VPellen

 Finally, since it's partially on topic, something to remember: Calling somebody a troll qualifies as a personal attack. It's a direct attack on the mentality and intent of a poster, and it serves no purpose beyond derailing a topic. In addition, a personal attack is still a personal attack regardless of if it is true or not. If I go and call somebody an idiot, it doesn't matter if he's an idiot or not, I'm still attacking him. If you're going to have a discussion, keep your points on the topic. And remember: there's no such thing as a "stupid opinion". Opinions don't think. Only people do.

Have a good one, guys.

There most certainly is such a thing as a stupid opinion. If, in my opinion, this opinion quoted is stupid, then it is a stupid opinion and as such, if i wish to voice my opinion of this opinion, i might say the opinion is stupid. While it is only my opinion, it is as valid as anyones opinion, hence a stupid opinion, ipso facto :)

Originally posted by Freemasons

Can anyone else feel Darkfall slowly twirling down the toilet?

 

It was sat on the rim for a few years first.

Originally posted by DL_Arkane

Originally posted by Malickiebloo

So one GM represents them all, Is that what the point was ? You say rages on , Do you have proof of other examples ?

Within the conversation it says you had been helped before by another GM, with the same issue . Does that spell out incompetence across the board ? Or are you simply trying to get under the skin of "fanboi's" with this entire post ?

It's just not right to judge a group by the actions of one ,I'd also like to know how that was a MT , WHo was he responding to ? I see no chat that warrants the word retard outside of the convo with the GM.(which still was uncalled for)

 

Besides this idiot GM there was this one

http://forum.goonheim.com/showthread.php?t=1073

In which the GM asked them not to do large scale pvp ( 3 or more groups of 5 ) unless they are doing an event.

Or this one:

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/9931/aocnc9.jpg

In which he told two guilds they don't want them fighting each other.

Edited and impossible to know what else was said and so the context is lost.

Originally posted by Protus-AOC

No way will the servers be merged they will be creating new servers any day now to make room for all the new subs AOC gets everyday. This is just more warhammer and wow kids trying to make false statements to down the best MMO of all time.

Classic! What an idiot  

Originally posted by Moogleboy13

Originally posted by Thillian

Originally posted by xenogias

Originally posted by Thillian

Originally posted by markoraos

Originally posted by Thillian

Hell yeh, they died because of YOU. Players decided they rather want linear limited instanced meaningless pvp grind where level and gear makes the outcome of a fight. This is why WoW is popular, and why WAR gets so much hype even before release. And I'm raving against this mass pop culture in MMO, because I hate what I see.

The majority is so large  that currently there IS absolutely no sandbox MMORPG except UO which has 11 years old graphics. EVE online is not a true sandbox and Ryzom is dead for some time now. There are mainstream MMO's and that's all. No alternative. And it hurts me to see people claiming WAR to be next fantastic PvP game. I say no, it's never a PvP game if it doesn't containt the things I mentioned. Forums like this should be a supportive to alternative MMO's, but yet even here all I see are threads overhyping mainstreamed MMO's like WAR or AoC.  

 

Alright man, think about it.  Right now there's no completely sandbox PvP MMO in the market and I don't know of any that are being developed.  Unless you're thinking of something like Shadowbane (I may be thinking of the wrong game or I may have the wrong ideas about that game... Haven't seen/heard anything on it in years).  Anyways, if that's the game you want the complain to some developers instead of sitting around MMO threads trolling becuase your every fantasy of a game hasn't come to fruition... Or hell, go out and make the damn game you want. 

As for your afore mentioned 6 points that you'd like in an MMO, they won't work (for reasons others have mentioned).  Or at least they won't work in a way that's enjoyable.  And if a game isn't enjoyable, that defeats the purpose of the game.

Probably referring to Darkfall?

Originally posted by markoraos

Originally posted by Zinzan

WoW was an average mmorpg with zero innovation doing what every other fantasy mmo before and after it has done and thats taking the existing concepts and improving on them, the only difference is it was slightly cuter and brilliantly marketted. Thats the success of WoW.

Can they emulate the marketting success? Hmm, i wonder, can EA market a game? Oh, wait, they are the best in the business....so maybe.

It's also been said, only about a thousand times, that Warcraft is a fundimental rip-off of Warhammer and that Warhammer is a fundimental rip-off of Tolkien and Tolkien is a rip-off of Grimms etc...meh. Heard it all before and no doubt we'll hear it all again.

 

Beg to disagree... Warhammer is a dark parody rather than a rip-off of Tolkien. Too many people ignore the humorously cynical component of Warhammer. Warhammer to Tolkien is what Malcolm in the Middle is to The Brady Bunch.

You are right in what you say, but i did say FUNDIMENTAL, the basic races, looks etc.

Does it matter?

WoW was an average mmorpg with zero innovation doing what every other fantasy mmo before and after it has done and thats taking the existing concepts and improving on them, the only difference is it was slightly cuter and brilliantly marketted. Thats the success of WoW.

Can they emulate the marketting success? Hmm, i wonder, can EA market a game? Oh, wait, they are the best in the business....so maybe.

It's also been said, only about a thousand times, that Warcraft is a fundimental rip-off of Warhammer and that Warhammer is a fundimental rip-off of Tolkien and Tolkien is a rip-off of Grimms etc...meh. Heard it all before and no doubt we'll hear it all again.

Players did not leave DAoC en-masse because of GOA, thats simply not true, they left when ToA/NF came out and then dwindled from that point on both EU and US.

Try reading up on the subject, a lot has changed recently, most of us in the EU are willing to give GOA another go knowing what we now know. If they screw it up again you can bet it'll be their last chance as it won't be Mythic on their asses, it'll be EA.

Originally posted by JustBe

My first mmorpg was UO but I couldn't get used to the Zelda Gameboy graphics and then I tried EQ but I couldn't get used to how boring and slow the combat was and then I tried DAOC but the UI and character movement sucked so I quit after like 10 mins of wrestling with that shit.

My first proper mmorpgs that I actually liked came all at once in 2003...

Planetside
SWG

Then both of them got destroid by the end of 2003 while SWG was crap with Jedi, Planetside got some core combat expansion which just made me go "im off" to both of them.

I had actually been following EQ2 since 2002 and thought it looked amazing until I got to play it in 2004 and was having fun in commonlands with groups but apart from that the game fucking sucked and was nothing like the devs said it would be and SOE launched it tooo early.

So when WOW came out in feb 2005 for Europe I got playign that until they ruined it with Battlegrounds and people stopped with the world PVP. Which was made worse when they said you can enter a battleground from anywhere which ruined the kool social aspect of waiting outside a BG and chatting and dueling to ppl.

Since then I've been mmorpgless and just been getting into EVE but i'm getting tired of the same old shit, it's the most repeptitive mmorpg i've ever played and it's a shame because I'd want this system but in a mmorpg like WOW so I could do some fun PVE quests instead of all the boring agent missions.

Not even going to get into UO EQ and EQ2, i simply don't have the time.

DAoC has customisable UI. You can't really comment if you only played it for 10 minutes.

Planetside isnt an mmorpg.

SWG, there were only a handful of Jedi in 2003, first player to unlock was in November 2003. The dumbing down began in 2004 and the CU was 2005.

EvE is all about player-made content, the missions are simply there for players to have something to do when their corp aren't doing something. It's not the main content of the game, not even close. If you haven't tried the pvp, played in a crop or in low-sec, you really haven't experienced any of what the game has to offer.

Your obviously someone with little patience who likes instant gratification and im afraid there is nothing really in the list of upcoming games that you'll like. However, im guessing AoC might be right up your alley :)