Originally posted by Dis_Ordur

Originally posted by gnomexxx

It all started (and it really doesn't matter who's side started it, because this happens repeatedly coming from both sides) with the NAACP claiming that the Tea Party is guilty of some kind of systemic racism.  And man oh man did the liberals jump on the story to claim it was true.  Even though there is no evidence of systemic problem going on.

 

 

 

 I stopped reading your post after this.  There is a great deal of evidence to support that racism is a big problem for the Tea Party.  When you have a congressman being spat on and called a 'nigger' at a Tea Party Rally when he is simply trying to go to work, you know there is a problem.  See for yourself:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/28/congressman-spit-on-by-te_n_516300.html

http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/back-story/2009/apr/17/liberal-actress-says-tea-parties-were-racist/

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://mokellyreport.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/obamawillis.jpg&imgrefurl=http://mokellyreport.wordpress.com/2010/04/21/tea-party-and-racism-lovers-and-friends-part-ii/&usg=__NUIcEr6Y66CZ2YEWfHCWGlp75B4=&h=288&w=384&sz=42&hl=en&start=4&sig2=qA48Cnj2FGo4RiYfy4VNvQ&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=GSrBwELp8QpqCM:&tbnh=92&tbnw=123&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtea%2Bparty%2Bracism%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-US%26rlz%3D1I7DKUS_en%26tbs%3Disch:1&ei=TmdHTJGqDYH_8AbV_sGdAw

It is really a sad state of affairs these days.  As soon as a black president is elected, we get to see the far right's true colors.  Fuck the Tea Party, they themselves don't know what they stand for.  They always proclaim that they are only trying to uphold 'American Virtues' and that we are being 'taxed too much', but they have no idea what they are talking about.  The average American is taxed less than we were back in the 1950's.  Also, we elect people who decide our taxes, so let's not get carried away with the 'taxation without representation' schtick.  This is just the religious right trying to cleverly disguise a new movement, but is failing miserably...

This is sad man.  Really sad.  It's still a case of the two parties bickering it out with each other.  How can you find yourself trapped in this unless you have some kind of strange mindset to have control over others actions.  It's really sad.

Originally posted by Sabiancym

All the Obama admin did was act too quickly.  They did so to avoid the backlash from the public, but now that the whole video is out they are working to rectify the situation.  

 

Some conservative made up a story and tricked other people into believing it.  He is the real guilty party.

The two party bickering goes on.

I had hoped this story would bring some change.  But apparently, some people aren't able to look at their own reflection.

Originally posted by tvalentine

Originally posted by gnomexxx

Thou shalt not kill...

 

As far as I'm concerned they can stay in prison their whole life.  But to me killing them takes away their time for repentence.  And I may not be able to claim I'm a "Christian" of the sorts, but I do believe in repenting to your God.  And I also believe in a forgiving God if asked.

I do not believe in state sponsored murder.  It seems weird to me that one life is more valuable to another to people who claim they are Christians or religious.

 it's "Thou shalt not murder". As far as the commandment goes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_for_an_eye is what is used as far as punishing someone of a crime(from what i hear). I agree with the death penalty, unless you're defending yourself or someone else, if you murder someone (note the use of the word murder and not kill), then yeah i think you forfeit your life. People are responsible for their actions, you reap what you sow.

It's state sponsored murder. 

And yeah, people reap what they sow.  But it's not our decision to make when a person dies.  That is God's.  And for us to take their life sooner than it was meant to be taken takes away the chance for that soul to find out what it did wrong and to repent.

Let them sit in prison and think about the horror they have caused.  Let it sink in.  And hopefully before God takes their life they will ask for forgiveness. 

Originally posted by Wickersham

If she was innocent why didn't she refuse to resign?

She must of been feeling guilty about something for her to cut her own throat like that.

This shows your lack of comprehension of the power of a big government when it puts all its weight down on you.

Should our government intimidate us into actions?  Hell no.  We were setup to allow the federal government to exist and to exist only under the watchful eye of this countries citizens.

Is that the way it is now?  Nope.  Now we have a government that has grown so large that it's our "Decider" as George Bush put it so eloquently.  We aren't here to make decisions for ourselves anymore, the government is.

Do you think it was quite as innocent as her being on a guilt trip?  Do you think that perhaps the thought crossed her mind that she mind find her reputation and life even more torn apart by what would be said and done to her?

Is it clear now how dangerous big government is to the individual freedom of people?

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

This one is easily explained. They jumped the gun, acted without knowing all the facts to avoid bad publicity. But, that bit them in the ass and caused bad publicity.

So we know what happened there, really nothing new in the political spectrum.

 

But why was the prosecution against the New Black Panthers dropped? How can you condone intimidation at the voting booth, and allow someone, or some  organization to pull strings and get them off?

 

 

Just another example of what an out of control behemoth of a federal government can do.

They don't care.  They don't have to answer to anyone.  So what if they get in trouble, what's going to happen?  They're going to lose one political cycle?  Then all that's going to happen is the other party gets in power, increases the size and influence of government, the people get mad and then put them right back in power.

It's a flip-flop back and forth.  And it's a power struggle is all.  And the American people and our freedoms and liberties are the only thing being sacrificed in the process.

Originally posted by smokemonsc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3cGfrExozQ&feature=player_embedded

 

As is now becoming obvious to millions of Americans, Morgan Freeman tells us that collectivism is racist, and the solution to it, is individualism.

What a smart man he is!  Wow, I am sitting here with goosebumps after hearing him. 

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Originally posted by Dekron

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Originally posted by smokemonsc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3cGfrExozQ&feature=player_embedded

 

As is now becoming obvious to millions of Americans, Morgan Freeman tells us that collectivism is racist, and the solution to it, is individualism.

Absolutely not... it seems day by day our society is going down the hole.

Instead of living in a unified society full of civic virtue and expectation on the self, we would rather live in an anarchy where "everyone should be allowed to do anything they want, wherever they want, anytime that they want, unless if this affects the ability of another to do these things."

This is nothing more than a continuation of the 1960's countercultural revolution.

The future is clear for a society like ours: the general public becomes disallusionend with their country and civic virtue and they instead resort to individual concerns and hedonism... a path we have been on for 50 years.

America is spiraling downwards at a rapid rate.

The U.S. is the most individualistic nation in the world and we have been so since the country's creation. You're mistakingly equating indvidualism (defined in this context as the individual deciding for himself rather than a collective group) with the philisophical notions akin to moral relativism, psychological egoism or the like.

There needs to be a balance is what I'm saying... it can't just all be about yourself.

Why not?  I'm the best to make decisions for myself.  Not you, or your majority group.

And how dare you think that you should intrude in MY life.  The only thing I would find more dispicable would be mysefl intruding in yours.  I could not stand myself for doing that.

Thou shalt not kill...

As far as I'm concerned they can stay in prison their whole life.  But to me killing them takes away their time for repentence.  And I may not be able to claim I'm a "Christian" of the sorts, but I do believe in repenting to your God.  And I also believe in a forgiving God if asked.

I do not believe in state sponsored murder.  It seems weird to me that one life is more valuable to another to people who claim they are Christians or religious.

Finally.  A story is broken that I think might make some difference in this country.

This story about the USDA official Shirley Sherrod shows exactly what the race baiting going on this country leads to.  It's almost like a parable the way it's laid out.

Both parties should be ashamed at their behavior in this situation.

It all started (and it really doesn't matter who's side started it, because this happens repeatedly coming from both sides) with the NAACP claiming that the Tea Party is guilty of some kind of systemic racism.  And man oh man did the liberals jump on the story to claim it was true.  Even though there is no evidence of systemic problem going on.

So, what happens on the right?  Well, they have to prove they're better than the left so this guy Breitbart pulls out a story (admittedly motivated by the NAACP's accusations) and claims this woman Shirley Sherrod was practicing race motivated preference while working at the USDA.  The clip was completely taken out of context, and the woman was actually telling a story about a turning point in her life where she realized how wrong racism is!!!!!!!!

Fox News (meaning mostly Hannity, bleh) jumps on the story that night.  Why not, it's his good old buddy Breitbart the Republican.

But then the Obama administration (which it now appears goes all the way to the top) pushed this woman into resigning.  What irresponsible and incompetent behavior on their part.  This shows just how crazy this whole race issue has gone.  And it shows how this big government and it's reach can squash the life and reputation of someone without a glancing thought about it. 

Both of these parties use the race card.  And they use it equally.  I don't care what anyone says, it's the f'n truth and they both know it.

And people wonder why I'm a Libertarian.  Really, is it not evident now?  Having these two huge parties engaged in constant battles to take over this monster of a federal government is somehow a good thing to some people???

And here is Hannity trying to pull Breitbart out of the fire!!!  And Breitbart thinks he's innocent.  He was doing the right thing by doing this tit for tat behavior.  Sick people.  Sick and as far as I'm concerned, mentally deranged.  Why else would anyone support a government that is this big and this powerful over people?

Andrew Breitbart Defends Sherrod Story

Originally posted by Praetoriani

Enigma, can I ask you a question?

Sitcoms, from 'Scrubs' to 'How I Met Your Mother' always seem to have a joke at the expensive of transgenders. As in, references to how a protagonist's ex or current love interest could have been a male at one time, usually ending in a joke. The message, whatever the joke, is usually clearly; 'that's vile and disgusting!'.

How does that make you feel? Doesn't stuff like that make you feel terribly insecure about the social stigma attached for a guy dating a transgender?

Another show, NCIS, has a running joke about Tony having sex with a transgender.  It is one of my favorite shows, but everytime they reference back to that it makes me sad for them.

And yes, I have voiced my opinion to the show.  I hope they get enough responses to quit doing it.

Originally posted by daeandor

Originally posted by Sabiancym

 

 

What exactly do I gain from taxing you more?  I always hear that us liberals want to steal money from citizens, but it's not like that money is showing up at my door.  So what exactly do you think we solely gain from taking your money.

That's actually the issue fiscal conservatives have Sabiancym.  It's not like the money taken from us goes directly to the needy or anything, it goes to line pockets and wasteful programs in the name of the better collective good.

And most recently in bailing out businesses that had poor income models. 

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

"I read somewhere that the unintelligent people are the ones who are religious and who believe in conservatism. Therefore, all such people are, no matter what, lesser than me, and I am infinitely greater than them in all circumstances, since I am more intelligent than them."

Did you read this in a little book written by a guy with a funny moustache?

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Originally posted by smokemonsc

 

People like Sab won't be willing to show up to your door with a gun and demand money but they're more than willing to have the government do it for them.  It allows them to ignore the fact they are still the ones with the gun in their hand stealing from their neighbor.  But then again, neo-lib policies are based on lies and self delusion.

 

What exactly do I gain from taxing you more?  I always hear that us liberals want to steal money from citizens, but it's not like that money is showing up at my door.  So what exactly do you think we solely gain from taking your money.

I want to answer this question.

Here's my answer. 

I don't know.  I have no inkling of an idea why you think it's okay to vote someone into office that wants to tear apart our founding principles and ideals.  I have no idea why you think it is okay for someone to work, get paid by their employer, and then have an organization use force and guns to take those honest earnings away from the workers.

I can't understand someone who is more than willing to give up their freedoms and liberties to an organization that is hell bent on power by design.  You give the federal government an inch and time and time again they have proven that they will take more.

Why do you think Obama ran this guy through without any kind of nomination process?  It's a recess appointee.  That means he must have had some kind of knowledge or notion that this guy would not have been processed to his liking.  Or, and this is what I believe, this guys views would have been put out there for the American people to see and the Obama agenda would have been even more obvious.

You tell us.  What do you gain from using the federal government to tax us more.  Is it some utopian idea that you have in your head about how things are supposed to be?  Is it because this guy and his party promised you something that you receive from them?  Or is it a social issue where you think that maybe some group like the homosexuals or some other minority group were promised more opportunity (because they sure aren't delivering on that either)?

The fact of the matter is our country is falling apart from these programs.  We can't fund them anymore.  And the only answer this administration has come up with is to tax us more.  That taxation is being used to tear apart the free market and strip away any power we have as consumers and business owners.

If you are a charitable and socially conscious person then why are you following an ideology that is less efficient and compassionate than people simply voluntarily contributing to their communities?  Why are you opposed to a worker obtaining all of their income so that they can do the best for their family and community as possible?  Why are you for using force to make people behave in a way you deem the most accurate and suitable way?

You know what, you might think you're smarter than us.  But where in God's name do you think that gives you the right to rule us?  Where is it right and correct for you to use force to make us do what you think it right?  And where do you think that gives you the power to strip away our own decision making power.

I was given my life.  I was given my own decision making faculties.  I accept the responsibility for that decision making process.  You want to sit and think you're smarter than us then go right ahead.  But I think the moral weight falls on our side.  And I would rather be a moral idiot than an "intelligent" manipulator.

Originally posted by HYPERI0N

And?

I don't think he needs to say anything else.  It's all quite clear.

When someone comes and spits on the founding principles of my country and it's promise of certain inalienable rights, I tend to get a little pissed off.

You want to believe in the government so much, then why don't you voluntarily prop it up by making donations.  It seems to be your biggest idea of a "charitable" organizations.  And let the rest of us voluntarily make our donations to the organization we trust the most.

I get the whole idea of someone having a different point of view than me.  What I don't get is when they use the government and it's deadly force to push their ideas on others.

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Originally posted by HYPERI0N

And?

They've been told by the multi-millionaire tv hosts that wealth redistribution is evil.  It's all very ironic.

Actually, I was told that by my great grandfather, my grandfather, and my dad.  From the time I was a little kid I was introduced to the idea of free markets and the importance of our founding documents.  It really hit home the first time I got a job and found out what it was like to have my wages stolen from me.

See, we're not quite as simple as you'd like to believe.  About as simple that we get is to think that the idea of stealing is wrong.  And the idea that arrogance in the process is just more wrong piled on top.

I don't take talking points except from people I trust.  I don't trust media.  It's a packaged for sale product.  I trust my family and my closest friends.

Originally posted by Vomikron

Originally posted by Wickersham

Look at the youtube description of this clip:

"Charles Bolden, the NASA administrator, in conversation with Al Jazeera's Imran Garda."

Now why do you think he would go say those things?

 I'm not sure I understand you.   Are you saying the venue excuses his comments or its perfectly understandable that he would make such comments under those circumstances?

Yes, that's what he's saying.  It's of the liberal mind set to try to get along with everyone.  To excuse yourself even when you're right.  To ask for forgiveness for actually working to make yourself better and more powerful.

That's why Obama has been globetrotting this whole time apologizing for America.  He likes to show weakness.  Like a dog that pulls it's ears back and then rolls over on it's back exposing its belly to show submission. 

It's all predictable from this administration.  Why do you think he was apologizing to the Mexican president when he was just here? 

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by Chieftan

The teeth thing is just the tip of the iceberg.  Alot of European women are known for occaisionally putting off shaving their legs...for years at a time.

 Yeah, I don't know how widespread it is.  I went to Europe a few years back and I noticed a lot of women shaved their legs.  But they seemed to be the more socially active women, so the ones who are less concerned about their appearance probably don't.

Even more unappealing than hairy legs, I've also been told that European women don't bother to shave under their arms.  But I can't verify that.  I didn't go around lifting up their arms looking at their pits to see if it was true or not.

Women with hairy armpits?  Oh Eeeew! 

Originally posted by Wickersham

Originally posted by gnomexxx

Originally posted by Wickersham

Originally posted by gnomexxx

Originally posted by Wickersham

Originally posted by gnomexxx

Originally posted by TheHatter

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

It's a stereotype from the  Austin Powers movie. Yea baby!

 

It was a stereotype long before that. 

I've seen cartoons of brits with ragged teeth from WW2. 

This has been going on since WWII for these people?  Sad.

In this global economy, a good smile can make the difference between making the sale or going home empty handed.

"Where straight teeth in your mouth are more important than the words that come out of it"

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=xMop3KNGt7s
 

Hmmmm...

I dunno, I think it's more a sign of which system works better. 

I saw a show the other day where the "poor and impoverished" hillbillies of W. Virginia could only afford to buy their babies Mountain Dew because of how much they got in their government issued food stamps.  I guess your answer would be to give them more money for them there poor ass babies.

My answer would be cut off the money and make them uncomfortable enough to change.

And I like my straight teeth, thank you.  You must be jealous.  System not working out too good for you there, snaggle-tooth?

 I have a company dental plan that covers everybody in my home, also, there are no shortages up here, infact the dentist I went to as a child has a banner out that they're accepting new patients.

I didn't see that show, but I'm willing to wager that you misunderstood what you were watching, or it was a misrepresentation of the facts, or that it was straight out propaganda bullshit show to get folks like you to watch so they can sell you cars and beer.

Your answer to the problem would require more government agents so that they could investigate each and every welfare case on an individual basis and make adjustments where ever needed...

Bigger guberment and more guberment intrusion into the lives of Americans seems to be your solution to every problem.

Say, didn't you say that you were a Libertarian, bahahahahahah!

Did you read my post?  LOL!

Read it again Einstein.  Look at my solution again.  Carefully. 

It's so funny to see this time and again.  The old "bad American" campaign.  You've never seen the movie, yet you automatically judge it because it's an American movie.  Or, since I'm an American, I just didn't understand what was being presented to me.

Nice you got a good dental plan.  I hope you use it well.  I've read that good dental care can add up to 1/2 a decade to your longevity. 

 How's this a "bad America campaign"?  I'm not insulting America when I say that you probably misunderstood what you watched.  I'm not judging America when I say that the show might of had a slanted view of things...

I brought your ability to understand something into question, and how do you reply?  By suggesting that I'm anti-American!  Can you really blame me if I say that you can't understand the things around you?  You've proved in your response here that you only see what you want to see, so in that show you probably only saw what you wanted to see.

You said you'd make people on welfare uncomfortable enough to get them to move off of welfare, so explain how you can do that for each individual case without increasing agents or spying on Americans?  Better yet, go read up on welfare first so that you'll understand the problem you're creating with your little plan - specifically look at how the state determines how much a person needs and ask yourself whether or not your plan will require more or less guberment agents and whether it will decrease or increase guberment spending on welfare.  You can fix welfare by increasing how much it taxes those that work for a living.

By getting rid of federal programs all together.  See, I see things through an American Constituional prism.  I see things as where the federal government is shoved aside and the people work things out themselves.  I see things as yeah, life is rough, but I'd rather live a rough life than take some hand out from the government that was forcefully taken away from others.  I see things as if the going gets tough, you pull yourself together and get off your ass to make it the best you can for yourself.  I see it as life is unfair, and that's the way God made it and it was intended to be.  If you don't let people make their own decisions pretty soon they become dependent little pansy asses that have no intention of making it on their own.

Uncomfortable means you take all the programs away from them.  Then, in a generation or two they'll figure things out.  Does it suck for a little while?  Yep.  Is it better for everyone in the long run.  Hell yeah.  Because eventually you don't have to put up with the mindset that folks are entitled to things.  Hearing someone say they are entitled to something other than making their own decisions and mistakes is enough to make me want to go puke in the grass.

Originally posted by Wickersham

Originally posted by gnomexxx

Originally posted by Wickersham

Originally posted by gnomexxx

Originally posted by TheHatter

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

It's a stereotype from the  Austin Powers movie. Yea baby!

 

It was a stereotype long before that. 

I've seen cartoons of brits with ragged teeth from WW2. 

This has been going on since WWII for these people?  Sad.

In this global economy, a good smile can make the difference between making the sale or going home empty handed.

"Where straight teeth in your mouth are more important than the words that come out of it"

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=xMop3KNGt7s
 

Hmmmm...

I dunno, I think it's more a sign of which system works better. 

I saw a show the other day where the "poor and impoverished" hillbillies of W. Virginia could only afford to buy their babies Mountain Dew because of how much they got in their government issued food stamps.  I guess your answer would be to give them more money for them there poor ass babies.

My answer would be cut off the money and make them uncomfortable enough to change.

And I like my straight teeth, thank you.  You must be jealous.  System not working out too good for you there, snaggle-tooth?

 I have a company dental plan that covers everybody in my home, also, there are no shortages up here, infact the dentist I went to as a child has a banner out that they're accepting new patients.

I didn't see that show, but I'm willing to wager that you misunderstood what you were watching, or it was a misrepresentation of the facts, or that it was straight out propaganda bullshit show to get folks like you to watch so they can sell you cars and beer.

Your answer to the problem would require more government agents so that they could investigate each and every welfare case on an individual basis and make adjustments where ever needed...

Bigger guberment and more guberment intrusion into the lives of Americans seems to be your solution to every problem.

Say, didn't you say that you were a Libertarian, bahahahahahah!

Did you read my post?  LOL!

Read it again Einstein.  Look at my solution again.  Carefully. 

It's so funny to see this time and again.  The old "bad American" campaign.  You've never seen the movie, yet you automatically judge it because it's an American movie.  Or, since I'm an American, I just didn't understand what was being presented to me.

Nice you got a good dental plan.  I hope you use it well.  I've read that good dental care can add up to 1/2 a decade to your longevity. 

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by smokemonsc

Lol, there is a dentist shortage in the UK, a quick google search for "UK dentist shortage" gives thousands of links to articles.  You guys in the UK posting here are in denial.

doing the same thing on dentist shortage in the United States gives you similar results.

Yeah, but if you dig deeper you'll find out why this is happening.  It's not happening because of our system (at least not until the Obama nut-a-thon policies kick in).  This is happening in other professional positions as well.  I heard a big discussion about it on the radio the other day.

The reason it's ocurring in nearly all the medical fields and other professions that require a great deal of education is because the baby boomers are aging and retiring.  We have a shortage of nurses, doctors, medical specialists, teachers, etc.  They were actually talking about how this is a boon for the kids coming up through school because right now these positions pay incredibly well and they expect the kids today to be highly motivated to fall into those slots (again, unless Obamacare kills the motivation).

Now, give it a decade or so and let Obama's policies kick in (God help us all) and we may be in the same boat as England.

If they'd leave it alone and let the free market take care of it, it would be a hell of a lot better for us.  But nyah, they've got to meddle in the affairs of their "subjects" lives.