there is a certain swg game out right now that is as sandbox as you will find... best ever imo

 xfire numbers dont mean SHIT... 

Originally posted by Riesig09

Originally posted by neKrow

I am very concerned about this from the E3 Q&A:

Q: What influence have games like World of WarCraft have on the development of FFXIV? 
A: As with WoW, we want to aim a bit for the casual user. However, we don't want to make a copy of WoW. We believe we will have things that are unique and will stand out from that game.

From my persective FFXI was very rewarding because it was not dumbed down. So I guess I am asking:

They don't just want to make a game for the 500k playing F11, they want to make a game to capture a wider audience.

Making another F11 would not help them in pursuit of that goal, and it would only serve to please FF11 fans. So it probably will be "dumbed down", whatever that exactly entails in your book, seeing as you don't say.

As for that answer, pretty sure most WoW clones said the same thing, "we won't be the same, we will be different in XYZ ways".

you guys don't get Squre-Enix at all if you think this game will be easy.  I promise it will be very very hard.  Even in FFXI they added some instant gratification content.  Square-Enix doesn't make games for westerners... EVER.  This game will be made with the japanese audience in mind, I can promise you that.

 awsome! i was planning on resubbing today... ship the freeee 20 days left i guess =)... 

since it was just a journal on gamedev.net so since its conception

What you can do with a decent PC and FFXI =)... Beautiful if I do say so myself... Looks better then THAT OTHER GAME HAHAHA... looks better then most MMO's and its older then most too.

I would rather "grind" xp in FFXI any day of the week over mind numbingly boring Quests based leveling that has become so popular since wow came out.

Originally posted by Azrile

Originally posted by Eronakis

You know I am starting to believe that WoW is starting to fit in the same category as politics and religion... you just cant talk about them because its a touchy subject..lol

 

It's more appropriate to compare WOW to Microsoft or Jeff Gordan (to a nascar fan).

Post in a computer related discussion that you think Vista is awesome, and you will have every little detail of the OS picked at.

Wear a #24 hat  to a nascar race, and more than likely you will have beer 'accidently' spilled on you during the race.

Just like it is natural for some people to cheer for the underdog, it is also natural for some people to hate anyone who wins alot.

The Wrath sales numbes speak for themselves.  4M people in North American and Europe think enough of WOW to buy 'more of the same' in the first month.  2.8M of them on the first day.  Forget China and Korea, forget the fact that the 'vanilla' box is still in the top 20 in game sales..  4M people are playing ENDGAME.

 

and "end game" is all it has... this term was really started by wow where the get there quicker and do whtaever faster, don't wanna work for it mentality was has festered and spread like wild fire... Its fine you like WoW but keep that shit to yourself, no one wants ez mode spreading to their games, or to have you come to OUR games and go, "This isn't like WoW at all, can I have battlegrounds please?"

Originally posted by Battleskar

I have to admit after the newness if lich king is wearing off I too am finding myself burned out.They made it too easy to begin with,too much resembles The Burning Crusade including all the Boss encounters from what I am told from other raiders(I myself have not raided but 2 dungeons so far,I just cannot get motivated to do it any more).Wintergrasp to me sucks and waiting for timers for the next battle is lame. I think its time to start thinking about a new game to play and I am considering playing The Lord Of the Rings Online as my next venture.

WoW has always been to easy... the reason people played EQ and UO for so long is because everything wasn't handed to you on a silver plater.. you didn't login and have gear delivered in your mail box... you didnt have XP handed to you... You had to work at it over a long amount of time and enjoy the adventure... having goals was fine and all, but it wasn't what the game was built around... Same for FFXI. those that play the game have been doing so for 3-5 years on average i'd say.  Just because a game has 11 million subs doesnt make it good... Just advertised the best. 

WoW isnt that great.  It reinvints itself with eveyr expansion basically making all the content before the expansion pointless... Other games in the past didn't do that, and the content that was launched when FFXI first came out is still tackled by players today...  However thats good for our ADD generation.. WoW is never the best, just the best at what it does... Attracting NEW and Casual MMO Players.  In the mean time forgetting all of the players that made the MMO market what it was before WoW, and making everything "casual" friendly.

Originally posted by egotrip

i don't know about the rest of the bosses you mentioned but when it comes to Baium and Ant Queen from L2 didn't  they spawn INSIDE a lair of some sort and there where only certain amount of people allowed inside for a very specific amount of time (X times per week and only after finishing some quest and granted pass by the GK of that place) or at least that's how i remember it last time i played........But that is not my concern really, my concern is like in L2 as in other games fighting dungeon mobs was a bit more of a task than fighting them out in the open, since the dungeon mobs are significantly stronger, have more life and seem to be crammed in this fairly small space that held x2 or x3 sometimes mobs it would have  normally out in the open so my question is: How the hell is one or even more groups gonna fight their way through a dungeon filled with those things using the DF "revolutionary" battle system??? I mean it's one thing auto aiming a mob and using aoe skills that's only affecting mobs (the games mechanics that are so frowned upon by the DF community) in a small space and a completely different thing trying to swing your weapon alongside with your 5-8(?) party members in a confined space to an equal (at best) maybe more (at worst) amount of mobs and not only have to worry about  the blows from mobs but also "friendly fire" and of course aoe skills would be out of the question not to mention the collision factorof the game........ note: there are no classes in DF hence no buffers or healers only self heal and self buff  that quote: "doesn't last long"!!!! It would be "interesting"(for a lack of better euphemism) to watch a group like that try to make their way through a mob infested dungeon......

FFXI Also has World spawns...

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by Briansho

Originally posted by xzyax

From this quote of Tasos:

"After PvP is concluded, one can fully loot his fallen opponent. You can take all the loot, mounts, boats, warhulks, cannons, equipment, even towns away from their owner".

www.curse.com/articles/darkfall-en-news/372269.aspx

 

O.K. we've been hearing all along... Full Loot for the win!  It's not a big deal because gear is cheap and easy to replace.  o.k. sure... I'll buy that.

 

But a town?  I don't think that anyone would say that a town would be cheap or easy to replace.   Did I misunderstand something that Tasos said in that quote?  How do you loot a town? 

Take a town over by warfare and siege... yeah, that makes sense.  

Looting it off the owner?  Huh?  

 

Looking for anyone that has an idea what he might mean by that... I'm not getting it at all. 

 

Sounds ok to me. Real risk so people don't run to town and taunt others under guards protection. It is what it is.

Oh I don't disagree.

 

I mainly made this thread because some kept on saying that Full Loot PvP was no big deal because gear would be easy to replace.  They were saying that it would only take you a little bit to get back up and running again.  They were saying that you just go to your Bank and get your spare... and you are set.

 

Well... I think that Tasos'  comments make it perfectly clear that there WILL be some items that get looted from you that WILL hurt.  They will take a LONG, LONG, time to replace.  There will indeed be a very nasty sting to loosing some items.  

 

That was the point.  Some items (Towns, Ships, Rare Dungeon loot, etc.) are going to be very, very, costly and will take a very long time with many people to accrue enough resources to build them or find them.  IF those items get looted from you... IT WILL HURT... A LOT!  

 

 

Good, and it should hurt... otherwise whats the point of PvP...  BRING IT ON!  P.S. I play EVE and am very use to full loot pvp and find no other way to PvP worth my time.

Originally posted by maxstone

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by Ebonix00

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by Ebonix00

I doubt he's talking about something like deeds to a town being looted off an owners body.  I would think that he is saying when you kill the inhabitants you can take/"loot" their town. 

 

BUT

 

It is possible that he did mean a town can be looted from an owner but that is something we can't be sure of due to lack of information. All I can say is wait for Jan 22... heh.

 

Considering that Tasos said...

"...even towns away from their owner"

 

If he didn't mean the actual town with all it's buildings... then he said it in a very confusing manner.  As he has stated it... it does mean the town itself. 

 

 

Hmm... well whatever it is that allows someone to take my town I would put it in the bank >.>.

 

"Through full looting you can take everything off your defeated opponent. Nothing is safe except your starting items and the contents of you bank."  www.curse.com/articles/darkfall-en-news/372269.aspx

 

YES... I AGREE! 
 

Hopefully, that item will be allowed to be put in the Bank.  That is a follow-up question that I wished they had asked.

Can every item that can be looted be put into your Bank?  Obviously there will be limitations on the amount of items a person can store... but hopefully, there will not be limitations on what kind of items can be stored there.

If it can looted from your body... you should be able to place it in your Bank. 

 

With Tasos' statement on the bigger War Ships taking weeks to build with many resources and many people... that would be another item that I'd be very cautious taking out of the Bank. 

 

Obviously there WILL be some items that are going to hurt quite a bit if they are taken from you.  It will be interesting to see how the current generation of MMO players adapts to this. 

 

They probably won't aside from the people actually playing Darkfall....Darkfall will probably only be a niche game, not a revolution in the industry. Thank God, it'll sit for the typical 18-24 month life-cycle all niche games seem to run, then it will close.

 

 

you my friend have no clue... EVE has only been running for 18-24 months and is going no where right?  WRONG there are people who WANT this type of game... I've been dieing for a Fantasy based game like this... While I love EVE i'm not a SCI-FI person.  I always said if a fantasy game came out i'd be gone.. This is it... There will be plenty of us who pay to play if the game holds up to its part of the deal.

There is nothing wrong with what EVE has and absolutley nothing wrong with being a niche market and 200k subscribers... CCP is doing great, i'm sure if adventurine does what they say they are going to, they will make enough money to make themselves happy and their hopeful fans.

Originally posted by hoopty

That would sux to make a boat by teams/guilds and watch it being taken away by another group..After days/weeks and months to make the boat/ship..It would sux to be them ..haha

actually its awsome... I love when Super Capitals in EVE Online get taken or blown up... Its INTENSE!

full loot is FINE... it WILL work in this context just as it works amazingly well in EVE Online... Don't want to PvP? Fine stay in whatever Earthrise deems "Empire" but stop coming to OUR games and demanding your WoW like carebear fun... If you want carebear fun go find your game... Not every developer sets out to have 10 million subscribers... CCP didnt do it, and I don't think anyone can complain about the amount of success they are having... Aslong as masthead ignores the Carebears we'll be fine... otherwise this game will just be another POS that is released like the last 47 mmo's to come out since WoW change the way we see MMO's.

512MB nVidia GeForcce 8500GT...

That fixed it gilgamesh thx

downloaded game, created an account, tried to login and screen goes black and nothing happens....  not a good way to start for a new player

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by Samuraisword

Nothing spells failure more than bonus experience gimmicks.

Either change the experience awarded permanently or leave it alone. Throwing these bonus experience promos suggests something is wrong with the current pace of leveling. How about focusing on content so people are enjoying themselves and not so concerned with the leveling pace? Stupid theme park developers don't get it.

 

Welllll....

I agree with you on that bit in blue, but it's not entirely the developers' fault.

Many players nowadays are "pre-programmed" with the "level to end-game as fast as possible" mentality. They *can't* enjoy themselves enough to not be concerned with the leveling pace, because the leveling pace is one of their biggest concerns.

If I had a dime for every time I've seen these questions/comments...

- "How long does it take to get to level cap?"
- "How's the end game?"
- "Can you create a character at level cap, or do they force you to level up through all those boring levels?"
- "Leveling is stupid. They should get rid of it. It's just a scam so they can get more money from you"
- "The real game is at level cap, everything before that is just useless filler"

... and many variations thereof. Many times they're made by people who hadn't even bought the game yet.

I'm going to take a guess and say that you're one of the type for whom the game is about enjoying the journey, and not merely getting to the destination? If so, I'm in the same boat.

Unfortunately, since MMOs have become popularized, they've attracted more of the "play, finish and move on" type who used to avoid MMOs. Thus, the MMOs have become more geared toward those types. "More reward", "less effort", "faster leveling" and "more soloable" are the new "design law", it seems, in MMOs.

It wasn't until WoW came along and was such a hit that you began to see the trend in MMO design changing to what it is now. And, really, the blame lies as much with the players... they voted with their dollars.. and what they voted for wasn't for the journey... but for "getting to the end as fast as possible". So that's what they get.

A "slow leveling pace" is only perceived as such by people in a hurry to level up as quickly as possible. To those simply playing and enjoying the game, the pacing of the levels isn't a major concern... as long as they're having fun along the way.

 

I'm right with you... Square-Enix is our last true hope i think... because over my 5 years of FFXI i've learned that no matter how much we cry they rarely make things easier... and if they do its not by very much(see the XP required to level to 75 hahaha)... after 5x75 leveling a craft to 100, fishing to 100, and pretty much every piece of gear I could want... I patiently wait for Squares new MMO in hopes that its the mmo saver I've been looking for =(.  Square-Enix is one of the few companies that I've seen in the MMO industry that stands by making a good game over their bottom line and stay true to their fanbase and not try to appease the wow fanbois... As seen in the Absolute Virtue mess they'd rather lose subs then change their beliefs, which is great in this day and age of MMO'... They also realize there is nothing wrong with 250k subscribers and I'm sure they are not sad at all by the amount of money they have made off FFXI.

Originally posted by Loke666

Good that they finally fixed the CTDs. Anyone still having the problems?

CTDs are a gamekiller in the long run.

they have gotten amazingly worse for me... last night I CTD's so hard it caused my video card to quit working... I could talk on vent, do everything but it was like my video card had been unplugged from the monitor(i even checked but it was fine) rebooted and back to normal... I'm scared to even login at this point.  the game is attrocious for stability, but i really like the game -=(

I am in the same boat, although former FFXI vet and not a SWG pre-nge vet(although i did play it very briefly) and actually looking forward to the Pre-NGE SWG project being worked on and can not wait for it.  

The problem I have found is nothing feels EPIC anymore... its nothing but a bunch of go here, kill x mobs, quest based gaming which leads to a half assed end game that bores me to tears... I miss the epicness of FFXI, the missions, the side quests, all of the content the game provided...

Does ryzom have this feeling?  I'm ok with it taking YEARS to reach max level.. I just wish i could find something that fits... I've tried all the new games, its time to go back to the old games and see what they are all about that I haven't played.  

Originally posted by theratmonkey

I think people just need to shut the fuck up and realize, its just a game.

 

Sure, I dislike a few MMO's out there but I'm not gonna baww about how much that game sucked to the people who actually liked it and create some huge argument about it.

Wow is a simple MMO, yeah.

But that does not mean it's some stain on the MMO genre. Blizzard decided to try something different with their MMO, and as it turns out, it was successful.

My only problem with wow is not with WoW itsself, it's with the developers who have been pumping out half assed MMO's since Wow's creation who think their game will be just as successful if they make a game similar to wow.

But really, that's going to happen when anything is successful. Something hits big, and then other people try to copy that. It's not really blizzard's fault, that's just the way things work.

 

 

This, I am ok with people playing WoW, and I don't hate WoW or Blizzard itself... I hate what it has done to the MMO market since it was released and I hate how all the fanboi's try and push WoW mechanics onto EVERY game that comes out...

Developers should create a game because its their vision and they will have a much longer and successful life span.  CCP has done well for themselves and they aren't trying to soak up the WoW players.  Other people can to, if they just get out of the copy cat visions and do something origianl and new.  There are those of us that like long grinds, and epicly hard missions that takes month or even years to complete.  That is why some of us started playing MMO's and I wish to god someone would create something for us.

I'm affraid that Darkfall is our last true hope, and if it doesnt release on the 22nd of Jan. I dunno what I'll do.  Probably give up on MMO's all together or just go back and play older games that I know still offer what I'm looking for.  Allah EQ1 or FFXI