Originally posted by Realbigdeal

Question: Can you pvp everywhere you want even in capital city? (I dont care if there are guards or not that might stop you) If not, its not a sandbox. As long that you are not free to do anything you want from day 1, its not a sandbox. Darkfall is a sandbox because nothing stop you to do anything you want.

No class do not equal sandbox, but no class+No lvl equal a sandbox. Since FE got lvl, its not a sandbox because i bet that you need a lvl range to proceed in some stuff in FE.

Yes, according to your very bright philosophy EVE online is not a sandbox either, because you cannot fly a Mothership the first day.

Even Sandboxes have a form of levels in disguise. Otherwise you have no progression. Be it in levels in each skill you need to increase by doing something.

Or in FE's case, leveling up to acquire AP points so you can spend it to increase various skills.

Or in EVE Online's case, leveling up skills in realtime learning.

Darkfail is no different!

Originally posted by Dark-Asylum

This thread delivers.

Sorry to say. But I agree too.

Everyone knows that I despise Darkfall. So lets not even go into that.

But the OP brings some very valid points to the table.

I have been in the Friend&Family Alpha of Fallen Earth all the way into a 6 month Closed Beta.

And even the Friend & Family Alpha had a ton more content, systems and features in place then this so called Beta of Mortal Online, wich up till today still has virtual nothing ingame, except pretty environments, void of any content or features. Except some merchant NPCs, some resources and housing.

So how in earth is this game ever going to release before the end of the year or even within 6 months down the road. That's beyond me.

Cheers

Originally posted by gauge2k3

I was simply saying it's better, population wise, than it has been.  Seems to be the general opinion that it will fail though.  I'm sorry for trying to say good things about a video game on these forums :(

Nothing wrong with that. But you are basing assumptions on increased population in T1, because of the endless free trial that is now active.

People playing on their servers, consuming resources and bandwith (wich they need to pay a lot of money for each and every month) and not paying any monthly fee. Isn't doing the game any good. Its only going to cost them more money in the end.

Cheers

Originally posted by tawess

Originally posted by Pheace

Originally posted by gauge2k3

I see a ton of media and forums posts surrounding the demise of this game.  I cannot see what you people are talking about.  I pride myself in being a realist and some things do point in a sour direction, but please let me show you what I see.

The game IS much better than it was when it released.  Everyone who plays enjoys the updates, for the most part.  New users are flocking to the game like crazy now, and loving it on top of that.  I know it's an endless trial,but they are moving on to T2 and subbing to the game.  I think the strategy of fixing the major downfalls of the game and the endless T1 trial after was a great move.

The developers have acknowledged the layoffs and have said that they are dedicated to the success of this game.  I know much has been put on the war failing side of the scale, but no one is mentioning the things that are going on the war succeeding side.

Just my opinion.

 

if you were a realist you wouldn't be talking about people flocking to the game a day after they announced they were closing down another third of the servers that are left. However many 'new'people you see is clearly offset by the number of people leaving.

 

If you can't see that at least you can console yourself with the fact that mythic can see that.

 

 

 

Well most of us sesible EU subscribers knew they were going to close down servers since there was no way in hell that the game could support the amount of servers they threw up. I see this closing of another server in EU as a good thing. Now maybe they can focus on getting... What is it now... two stable servers with good population and work their way back. You know maybe they have learnt from their past mistakes and want to have as few servers as possible whne they launch their free trial to minimize the risk of people getting thinned out. Yes that is a statment of poor population but it does not meant that the decline in subs are the reason to close another server... Also... Was it not the RP server that bit the bullet... Newer seen one of those succede anyhow.

LOL! Are you serious? From over 60 EU servers down to 2 is a good thing? It means it's over and out.

It means there are hardly people left subbed to the game. It means they are losing a lot of money.

The WAR servers have a pretty low population cap and 2 servers is nothing worthwhile to keep the game running for that long anymore.

Just face it. WAR is in a much worse state then AoC atm. Wich isn't doing all that well either. Only Funcom is lucky they don't have the evil satan of the game industry (read EA) dancing above their heads with the big bad axe waiting to be cast down on them.

Cheers

Originally posted by Williac

Heya! Quick question. I have yet to find a store in UK where Fallen Earth as available and it had me thinking that the game was only intended for the US. WIll i be able to play and will the distance have any impact on my game experience?

 

Cheers for helping the n00b :P

You can only buy the game online. I bought it through the FE store itself. Quick and easy. And very cheap as they charge you in Dollars. ^^

During EU primetime latency is ok and outside towns I have barely any lag.

Cheers

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by Devour

Originally posted by GeniusSage

Pretty graphics and huge draw distance CANNOT disguise an MMO with poor gameplay. If you're looking for 'fun' (a word xbox-generation gamers have difficulty grasping) then I'd personally choose "Darkfail".

 

This made me lol. The bitterness and terror that MO puts into Darkfall fanbois is beautiful.

 

Yeah... enthusiastic and shameless self-contradiction is one of many "tactics" rabid DF fans use when "debating" on their forums. It was funny, if predictable, for a while. Then it became just plain sad to witness.

That said, MO's looking good. I can definitely see Epic rebuilding the engine from the ground up to support large streaming worlds being put to good use in some of the videos. The world design seems decent... From what I've seen, it seems the graphics engine carries this game's look for the most part.  But then I haven't seen much of it, so I could be wrong there.

Curious to see how it pans out. For right now, I'll be watching this one to see how it pans out after launch.

I despise DF and it's joke of a community. But he has a point.

All I have seen so far are pretty environment screens that give me an insta DeJaVu with Vanguard: Saga of Heroes back then.

It's all empty, lifeless. No content, no mobs, no creatures, nothing, nada.

Originally posted by JackDanoba

Originally posted by MonkeykingZX

 in the games it works well in it's supposed to be amazing, but according to a few pc magazines i've read it causes headaches and nausea in most games so it's probs best to avoid for now

 

sounds cool but yeah u get sick and u pay 500 + dollars for something that might not work or has flaws. but maybe it rocks. id like to see it in action.

That's the whole problem with VR and why it pretty much died out in popularity.

Fact is, that most people can't cope with Virtual 3D and get sick when exposed too long to it.

Maybe you guys should consider implementing the CAPTCHA system for this kind of stuff?

It would sertainly put an end to these stupid bots.

Cheers

Originally posted by DonnieBrasco

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Originally posted by DonnieBrasco

 

Sorry, there is no hope to open the mindset of the powergamer... you might only meet arrogance, see this topic :)

DB

 

You only start to prove more and more that you don't even play the game itself at all. At least not the same game we are playing.

The game is out for more then 2 months already. Even a casual player can easily reach level45 in 2 months.

I deleted my old char (screwed up with AP) and rerolled a new one about 2 weeks ago and I am already level15 with just 10-20 hours tops playing per week! As I play other games like LOTRO and so don't focus on FE alone.

If I continue at this rate I can easily reach level45 before christmas. That's just 6 weeks of playing roughly 10-20 hours a week.

So please. Maybe you should look in the mirror, before talking and accusing people of arrogance.

As the real powergamers already reached the cap within a couple weeks after launch and most of them are long gone.

Cheers

 

I will not get pulled into the ancient debate on terminology of casual vs HC. I have been playing since launch, and am lvl 27.

I can also see the game being full of all levels. That is all needed to be said. Check my previous comment, it's all there as well.

DB

And you, just keep yourself in denial and refuse to see more and more people are now reaching the cap every day and find out there is nothing left to do.

Is because of people like you, that keep pulling up smoke screens and pretend it's the perfect game and there are no problems, that games start to die out and the company along with it.

Lets hope the FE devs are a lot smarter and address these problems fast enough, before it's too late.

Originally posted by bloodaxes

Never said this "vision" will appear tomorrow but don't tell me they are some cheap assed company, they are trying their best to make the game more satisfying. (Although I would prefer if they would hire someone to do them some anti bot/spam program)

I am sorry to crush your dream about NCSoft being a rolemodel company. They aren't.

Just like an Asian version of EA and they only care about profit and find all kinds of sleazy ways to make even more. Even by releasing a fancy trailer showing people awesome stuff that might never end up in the game anyway. But heck. if it lures in more suckers in buying their game. Woopie ti Doo. They do.

They don't care about making their games more satisifying, unless it costs minimum effort and resources. They never did with their Lineage games. They never did with CoX (hasn't seen an expansion in years and the announced going rogue expansion went mysterious ways as no information has been released for months). And they ruthlessly axed Tabula Rasa without remorse, while that game still had plenty of potential and quite a number of people playing.

So please.

Originally posted by bloodaxes

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Nice way twisting it off topic.

I was responding to the Cataclysm trailer and the trailer NC released.

The Cataclysm trailer is a true expansion trailer showing what's coming with the upcoming expansion.

The NC trailer is just a wet dream from some Korean Devs as how they would like Aion to be one day and put all that in a fancy trailer.

That's the BIG difference I was pointing at.

Seeing the current situation with Aion and it's issues. Then you really need to let your head examined if you think all that stuff they showed in the trailer is going to be in the upcoming expansion or even the one after that (unless the second expansion is like 3 years of. At least).

If the game even survives that long. At least here in the West.

And you know that by?

The game has been for almost a year in korea plenty of time for some new patches or expansion whatever it will be into this one. (They added some dungeons in a patch so it's nothing new for ncsoft if added this way)

Dude,

The current game engine, eventho heavily modified, is the CryEngine 1.  You know how old that engine is?

Heck. Ever wondered why they removed the highres ground textures from the game during early stages of Closed Beta?

They either need to shift and upgrade to Cry Engine 2 or a completely different one. Or put incredible amount of resources and thus money into completely rewriting the current engine they are using. As CryEngine 1 doesn't support DX10 in any way!

In either way. This is not something they are going to be pulling off in just a year or two. Have fun in Neverland and dream on!

People are now already crashing and lagging like hell during Sieges. What you think is going to happen if they just put in an even more demanding graphics update on this current engine?

People need to be more realistic.

This trailer was released on a very convenient moment for NCSoft and is nothing more then a Marketing ploy to sucker in more players into buying the game and increase their box sales even further.

Cheers

Originally posted by bloodaxes

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Originally posted by Xasapis

I see no difference with what Blizzard did with the cataclysm announcement. It serves two purposes, notify people about the upcoming game improvements and encourage people to keep on playing.

The difference is, that Blizzard is actually going to deliver all that they showed in their Cataclysm trailer with their upcoming expansion.

While with the AION trailer. That one is so far off. Anyone with a brain can clearly see that NCSoft will not be able to pull this off anytime soon.

Cheers

 

Yep,

They promised on removing gameguard and they didn't, they promised on doing something on bots/spammers and they didn't, they promised on increase boss drops and quests exp and they didn't, they promised on fixing server queues and they didn't...

Riight

Nice way twisting it off topic.

I was responding to the Cataclysm trailer and the trailer NC released.

The Cataclysm trailer is a true expansion trailer showing what's coming with the upcoming expansion.

The NC trailer is just a wet dream from some Korean Devs as how they would like Aion to be one day and put all that in a fancy trailer.

That's the BIG difference I was pointing at.

Seeing the current situation with Aion and it's issues. Then you really need to let your head examined if you think all that stuff they showed in the trailer is going to be in the upcoming expansion or even the one after that (unless the second expansion is like 3 years of. At least).

If the game even survives that long. At least here in the West.

Originally posted by Xasapis

I see no difference with what Blizzard did with the cataclysm announcement. It serves two purposes, notify people about the upcoming game improvements and encourage people to keep on playing.

The difference is, that Blizzard is actually going to deliver all that they showed in their Cataclysm trailer with their upcoming expansion.

While with the AION trailer. That one is so far off. Anyone with a brain can clearly see that NCSoft will not be able to pull this off anytime soon.

Cheers

Originally posted by biplex

 

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Originally posted by Guillermo197

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Originally posted by Xasapis

 

Well, Aion doesn't rely on gameguard. Not in the west at least.

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Yes, so our version of AION is now even completely unprotected and even more open to hacking. Wich is exactly what happened is continue to happen.
Do you really think the NC devs in Korea are going to bother or even getting resources to work on client security for our western game client, while they or at least their CEO's still firmly believe in Gameguard and continue to use it in their MAIN Asian market?
The moment NCWest removed GameGuard we already pretty much knew this game was done for and that, next to the RMT'ers and more brighter cheating idiots,.... that now every Noob on the internetz was going to be able to hack their way into AION and run a bot program or any other hack.
Wich, again, is exactly what happened and continues to happen.
Cheers

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What a bullkaka! Aion was as easy to hack with Gameguard as it is without it. Removal of Gameguard helped a lot of legitimate users, but didnt change a thing for hackers.
Once GameGuard was there removing it on your client was a matter of one google search and 2 minutes of work, so then every noob on the internet and his granny was able to circumwent this infamous "protection". Not to mention that most bots can bypass gameguard on their own.

But lets get to the point.
Any estimates of release date? Both in Korea and rest of the world.

Read my post again please. Then we talk further. Tjeez.

They are dead, because no moderator any NC employee is able to post on their own boards lol.

The only thing they have been doing since they launched these official boards is deleting topics. Was the only thing the mods were able to do.

So why would people waste their time asking questions on the official boards, if they never get an answer.

Originally posted by Xasapis

Well, Aion doesn't rely on gameguard. Not in the west at least.

Yes, so our version of AION is now even completely unprotected and even more open to hacking. Wich is exactly what happened is continue to happen.

Do you really think the NC devs in Korea are going to bother or even getting resources to work on client security for our western game client, while they or at least their CEO's still firmly believe in Gameguard and continue to use it in their MAIN Asian market?

The moment NCWest removed GameGuard we already pretty much knew this game was done for and that, next to the RMT'ers and more brighter cheating idiots,.... that now every Noob on the internetz was going to be able to hack their way into AION and run a bot program or any other hack.

Wich, again, is exactly what happened and continues to happen.

Cheers

Originally posted by DonnieBrasco

Originally posted by stux

 

I can see no reason why someone would be max level in a MMO after only a month.

 

How many hours do you have into the game in that month I ask you?

 

Sorry, there is no hope to open the mindset of the powergamer... you might only meet arrogance, see this topic :)

DB

You only start to prove more and more that you don't even play the game itself at all. At least not the same game we are playing.

The game is out for more then 2 months already. Even a casual player can easily reach level45 in 2 months.

I deleted my old char (screwed up with AP) and rerolled a new one about 2 weeks ago and I am already level15 with just 10-20 hours tops playing per week! As I play other games like LOTRO and so don't focus on FE alone.

Plus, when playing FE I spend a lot of time just exploring the map, scavenging a bit and craft here and there. So I am not even constantly focussing on doing missions and leveling even.

If I continue at this rate I can easily reach level45 before christmas. That's just 6 weeks of playing roughly 10-20 hours a week.

So please. Maybe you should look in the mirror, before talking and accusing people of arrogance.

As the real powergamers already reached the cap within 2 weeks after launch and most of them are long gone.

Cheers

Originally posted by crimsonmid

Taken from the State of the Game Adress:

"If you want real feedback from players, look in the Alganon forums"

So...only the Alganon forums will tell you how great and unique Alganon is. All the other forums are completely biased.  LOL. This man is SO PATHETIC.

Whats wrong Mr. Allen? The player response to your open beta call didn't go as planned? 3 to 4 business weeks of open beta and still 7,000 (out of 10,000)  keys are undistributed. The vast majority of the people that tried the game admit that it sucks at best. You don't need to play the game until the final lvl to understand that. 1 hour in the game and you have it all figured out. The gaming community Mr. Allen is not inexperienced. It has YEARS of gaming experience and it can distinguish a bad product as soon as it sees one. And if you think that by downgrading peoples' opinions that dont post in the official forums adds credit to your game then you are so very lame. If you are seriously trying to convince players to get feedback only from the Alganon forums (which present Alganon as a great game) then you are underestimating the player base and think of them as idiots. Thats why you don't deserve them.

So stick to your 500 bright individuals who actually found something good and unique in Alganon. Everyone gets what he deserves after all. I wish you good profits.

Well said man.

They are so desperate at the moment, that they are spamming my mailbox every couple days, begging me to log into the Open Beta.

Luckily Hotmail detects crap from real emails and places all Quest Online emails in the Spam folder.

Originally posted by Kordesh

 You're so going to buy this game, for content that may never even make it into the game, and that which does likely won't for at least upwards of a year or two?

I guess this is exactly what NCSoft tried to achieve.

Show a fancy trailer to sucker more people into buying their game.

Looking at the OP. I think NCSoft has already succeeded at that.

Originally posted by Filterheadz

Bla Bla Bla

NDA is lifted , start posting gameplay footage , screens etc cauze i for one am sick and tired of user made reviews on mmorpg , they all stink and that's a fact.

Well, screenshots aren't doing them any good either.

As so far all the screenshots that have appeared on the net since yesterday (and that is quite a lot) gave me an instant DeJaVu with Vanguard: Saga of Heroes.

Pretty scenery shots, but all show empty zones void of any life.