Originally posted by Mardukk

Originally posted by DMKano

Originally posted by WildNature

The minute it goes F2P is the minute I've lost all respect for Funcom.

Every single online game will be going to F2P model within 3 years - this is where the entire industry is shifting to. This is inevitable.

 

Just how the days of video-rental stores are numbered, same goes for monthly sub online games - it's over.

 

Every business model shows that F2P + microtrans is a more profitable model - and that's what it comes down to - profitability for every MMO game company.

I agree all are going FTP, so people throwing FTP around like it's an insult are off track.  I honestly don't see how companies make money going FTP as I've played many games and had some fun without touching a cash shop.  I've actually never spent a cent in a cash shop.  People that throw down cash on cosmetic trash make absolutely no sense to me.

                  Atleast your honey and a big reason why most games should not bother with a F2P model is 90% of freeloaders are NEVER gonna spend a cent to begin with so why let em suck up your resources.Just expand your cash shop in your sub game and chances are you will make just as much from it off the subbers of the game as they are they ones who will always buy from cash shops to begin with.

  Yaaay another I wanna play this game but I am too poor/cheap to spend out money for it.F2P converts may work but what most  ppl don't wanna admit is the ones who buy and support cash shops even then are the subscibers to the game not the  crybabies who want F2P they rarely buy anything ever instead they make game chat a flame/tard fest and spam the forums whining how more stuff should be free also they bring nothing other than population numbers to the game they sure do not bring any money in atleast not enough to justify letting them come onto the server and hog resources.

Originally posted by Golelorn

I very much doubt its worth it.

Turbine, for some reason, has totally gone in the opposite direction of what made this game fun when it first went f2p. Which was lots of rewards, small group/soloability, and PUG raids. Now, there are lots of rewards, but its all crap even though the content is harder. And small groups/soloing as a melee is pretty damn hard when the mobs hit like trucks, and have the HP of an entire planet. I have zero faith this expansion reverses that trend. I'm gonna pass on the crap rewards that won't be an upgrade, and the mobs that have had their power increased ten fold while mine stays the same or goes up marginally(actually as a melee we are much weaker since they've been on a nerf rampage).

      Just remember WB purchased Turbine I am sure there is plenty they are pushed./forced to do that they had rather not do.

  I didn't play it a ton maybe 8 hours total over the 3 day weekend if that  probly not even that much.At first the tutorial I finished it and logged off pretty meh at the game but the more I got to play it and understand I began changing my tune about it I hadn't planned to buy the game at all tbh or any game from funcom in future after AO and AoC but I decided to keep m,y preorder and see how it goes.I love the sklill system myself and the fact can switch stuff around and not boxed in sorta like AO without the ip system.

Originally posted by ignore_me

my favorite syllogism used by publishers in the post-WoW era:

 

WoW is simple

10 million people play WoW

therefore people are simple.

 

        I like WoW for what it is so I am not a WoW hater I have had and kept a active WoW sub since it was released.But mmog dev and publshers look at what sells and how the game is in terms of difficulty and they ofc  see those trends out doing a more hardcore game and model there game after wows formula cannot blame them for that if thats were the money is.I personally would love to see another more hardcore type game that takes forever to max lvl and raid and such but I do not see it happening people would complain so much they would end up changing it

   .People even in TSW beta were already upset there wasn't gonna be mounts and you would have to run everywhere.I started mmo's pretty early on and running was just something you had to do.Hell even in WoW now I catch myself running when I should be using my mount.

Originally posted by Irus

The last few MMORPG's were too bad for anyone to get attached to them.

Originally posted by rznkain

...the consumers crying and whining for easier content,easier traveling,easier raiding.

Source?

  Really? 10  million+ who play WoW there is your source.

Originally posted by Torgrim

Whatever happend to a game you could stay for atleast a year or even more, now what do we have?

People drop after a month, after 2 month more people drop, It's not like the old days when you were a kid or even older and you played a game and you played it a lot but after many tries and many weeks you completed it and you feelt joy and a sence of a accomplichement , yeah i did it, what happened to that era of gaming?

It's gone, MMO has been mainstream for so many years and what they are doing is mass produced it, do massice hype, tell people to pree order and live and laugh all the way to the bank with all the box sales.

1 month later 50% dropped who don't want to resub, second months even more drops.

Who cares really the gaming studio earned the money before the drop via massive hype and box sales and can turn back and plan for the next big thing to sucker the gamers into forking out money.

Sad that this industry going this way, quality is one thing of the past, mass production and mass consumers ride ticket is here to stay.

   Do you play console games for year or even more solid for hours and hours each day? It is true most mmo's now do not have the longetivity they used to but most of the fault is due to the consumers crying and whining for easier content,easier traveling,easier raiding,.Back when mmo's began getting popular they were built to be a time investment and the grind is what made them that time investment people knew it would take them forever to lvl and then get there raid gear even then was no guarentee you were gonna get it.

    Guess what I am saying is players cannot have it both ways you cannot play the new gen of mmo's hardcore and expect them to have any long term staying power or keep peoples interest they have no real bond with the character they develop compared to one you would work a year on just to get maxxed out.There is NO way current mmo's cam pump out the kinda content to keep players happy in the ezmode mmo's of today.

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by Meowhead

Not a big fan of open world PvP, huh? :(

 

Whut? Is there a MMORPG launching soon that has open world PVP? Must have missed it. Speaking of PVP, not everyone enjoys it here on the forums and seem unable to use their block button effectively.

   Exactly alot of these newbs have no idea what open world pvp really is.They think stuff like WoW's battlegrounds is open world pvp.If 90% of them had actually ever  played a true open world pvp game they would want nothing to do with it.

Originally posted by Belarion

Originally posted by BilboDoggins

Just what the title says. GW2 fanboys do nothing but troll everything around here and/or derail topics constantly.

 

Looking forward to when GW2 actually launches and its not the holy grail of MMOness they dreamed it would be. Until that time I bid thee adieu MMORPG.com

Im super excited for 2 months after GW2 releases. Or 1 month who knows. But yea its pretty rough going here at mmorpg.com untill then. Although the bigger they are...

   Oh I will be excited when it releases also so the rest of us can laugh and point at them and watch the initial hyped up teenagers begin to bash on the game and tell the truth about what a pos it is really going to be.And if I am wrong they will stay out of the mmog's I play and stay in GW2 so really it is win win.

Originally posted by reowens3

The OP nailed it... it's not about your pretty toon, it's not about your awesome gear, it's not about your 4ms ping and it's not about your ability to twitch faster than anyone else

... it's about you and how you play..

It has flaws... [so what?] but they are being addressed and corrected ... lots? nope and fewer each patch...

so... what's it all about? Builds... which will take time to master but that will be worth it

classless gameplay

no Lineage/FF/Aion/Rift/Tera/WoW/ etc etc etc grind... kill a bunch of mobs... or don't... it's a sideline quest - as opposed to kill 4000 of this or that [looking at YOU Aion... daevanion armor quest]

Oh, it's a Funcom game and it's gonna suck!

really? did IQs drop sharply recently? You think *you* can build and launch an MMO? hmm, lol.... maybe you can! But the thing is, these are pretty sharp people and they got hammered pretty hard for their last launch = no, I did not play AoC so I can't speak to it... and I've seen a lot of angst about EA...

So , let me see if I can make a cogent argument out of what I've seen here...

EA is stupid, fat and slow and greedy. Funcom is stupid [Blizzard is geniuses!] and anyone who plays TSW is dumb....

WoW ftw.... I think that's about it.... lot's of fanbois, lots of trolls, little bits of sense scattered around... TSW is not for everyone... there it is ... not gonna be a WoW killer except maybe for people who are looking for a different type of MMO. TSW has some issues but they are being hammered on and Funcom devs seem engaged and the game plays significant;ly different  now than it did three months ago.

It's not a twitch fest, it's not a gear orgy... it's about how you play the character you created.... lol so if you suck... ;)]

 

Sylentz

 

   And again nothing personal but you got a 31 post count and on here singing the praises of Funcom a company that is KNOWN and well known might I add for doing very very shady things and releasing buggy games that end up being trash while the customer fronts the bill.

Originally posted by Kumate

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by Kumate

Main thing you need to know,

 

These Funcom devs are for real!  What I mean by this is what you guys have seen in Open beta is only about 40% what TSW is about.  They drop patches on us everyday!  They talk to us and explain the reasons why they are doing what they do.  They are not ninja patchers and hide from what they change.  There is so much in the closed beta that never reached public for the open beta  that we wanted to tell you guys.  Right now they have dropped another gig worth of patches just from the last closed Beta alone.

These aren't miracle patches, these have all been calculated and scheduled the entire time.  They have a good leader who is keeping them oragnized and keeping them on target.  The game at launch is going to be pretty smooth.  Remember all those placeholders faces for the NPCS in game and in their cinemas?  Yep all the NPCS now look and feel like they should. 

Basically just letting you know these dev's are in it to win it.  They are patching and fixing like mad men.  If you been on the fence because it is a funcom made game, then your going to miss out. 

 

signed, with love,

A.Funcomdev

Are you saying I am a dev?  Or you are?  So confused!  But either way...loving the game!

    You cannot blame him or anyone thinking that we klnow Fincom and know the tricks and things they do.You also have only 23 posts and come on here posting these funcom devs are for real..Anyone who has played AO and AoC know exactly how the funcom devs are that hasn't changed in 11 years.Funcom is a company known for releasing half buggy games and there goal is to generate a huge buzz before release cash in whatever they can out of the gate and then convert the game to f2p.

Originally posted by makii

i dont think so sir. Acutally it was retty bad and 2 hardcore . Even with u dated grahics it wont survive.

    This actually made me laugh and shows how far mmogs have slide over the years and how easy people really want games to be now.AC was one of the easiest mmogs on the market for that time and tbh it still is easy I have NEVER heard  Ac1 referred to as 2 hardcore.And that isn't a jab at AC1 I began it in beta and loved the game.Just that at the time it was a very very easy game and no way is it hardcore.

 Glad your getting some of your money back but this is what companies especiially funcom count on is for ppl to buy it without thiniking and for them to make back a lil before they will shift it to F2p in a few months.Mean as it sounds wish they kinda had kept your money taught you a lesson for the future about preordering mindlessly if ppl would stop doin that crap then more game companies would be more concerned with the product they bring to market.

Originally posted by Crunchy221

They just dont have the man power devoted to making this work, and given the time its taken them to do this, they could have literally remade every aspect of the game making an Anarchy 2.0...

My hope is that TSW does go smooth, and they can then devote a proper staff to adding some life to this game and making it modern looking and feeling modern, without dumbing down or tampering with the in game systems.

I would like to see some form of intergrating SL properly into the game, it always stuck out as a better and more boring way to get from level 1 to 220.  Also a revamp of their over the top research system would be nice...possibly modernizing the standard skill set...not really removing skills but rather making the needed secondary skills more secondary and some of the oddball skills need to be made viable rather than adding as an 3rd and 4th stat pre-requisite on some items. Perhaps adding benefit rather than just being used as a lock out mechanizm for some gear.

 

On top of that id like to see better land usage.

 

Given the right amount of "love" this game would grow, they just need to devote resources to it and really need to keep what was done right with the game, while modifying what was wrong with the game, something that will be very difficult to guage. Dumbing down this game further than the SL easymode, nerfing death penalty and making twinking a must..oh yeah and some class imbalance issues that are ancient.

 Shadowlands pretty much ruined AO for me and most others I would love nothing more than to see them just get rid of it period or at the least make it to where you can lvl to 220 on Rubi-Ka add more zones to it,Shadowlands was Gautes Fantasy expansion in a sci-fi game dumbest idea ever then he went on to make AoC a total mess.

 I wish em gl on TSW but tbh I am looking forward to them finishin the AO graphics update than this maybe when they get this out the door they can put some more devs on it and get it done.

Originally posted by Grand_Nagus

Originally posted by BlueCameo

If a game goes F2P after initial release of not being F2P I will never touch it.

Your really missing out. I currently play several F2P games that launched P2P and I dont pay a dime. I get a lot of enterainment value for absolutely free  :D

 And you sir and people like you are the reason I hate F2P the rest of us who do pay a monthly sub or buy something in the shop in a game we play to support the devs and there hard work carry the moochers like you.

Originally posted by BlueCameo

Honest question. I'm sure other people here are noticing it. Fact is, there are poor gamers out there. They want to play games just like everyone else plays games. 

 

Yet they invade every forum for near every game and say "this game needs to go F2P" or some other things. 

 

Anyone else notice this?

     Don't worry op I understand what you mean.It is just cheap/poor people or kids 90% of the time.They will post on a forum how a game should be F2P and they would play it.Well if it sucks so bad it needs to be F2P why would you wanna play it? Not to mention 99% of the ones who cry and whine for a game to go F2P will never spend 1 penny on anything in the game.Then they go back on forums and whine more and more that more content in the game should be free like they did in LOTRO.

Originally posted by XAPGames

This might be a new one.  I've heard of plenty of games that released with missing features, but never an expansion.

 

Time for a miracle patch.

   Ha too bad but not true.Anarchy Online Released Alien Invasion expansion touting there player run markets all over the back box of the game released it and took them over 9 months to finally put it into the game.

Originally posted by RudyRaccoon

I honestly believe the MMO game genre as a whole isn't what it's cracked up to be. Way back in April 2006 an old ex-friend of mine wanted me to try out WoW, when I first played this game I was really amazed with it as I never played a top class MMO game before it, trying out my first character as a Gnome Warrior along with my ex-friend, those were fun times. But then things changed, as I wanted to play new characters, he didn't want to help me anymore and I ended up being a loner. I never liked the idea of playing with random people, some nice and most are douces and eventally it became nothing but douces. I played up until 2010 and the last 2 years on private servers and I still ended up being alone, always hoping my luck would change which it never did. In between these years I played other MMO's and they still had the same problem, I was still bored and lonely. Seriously how do you people put up with this? Joining guilds or groups is not for me because all people do is bitch or stay silent.

I was once talking to my hair dresser about WoW and he thinks WoW is a big con of a scam and I think he's right, what is the point of investing your time and money for a game you don't enjoy and I believe it's the same with all MMO's minus the heavy trolling WoW gets and instead are ghost towns.

Years ago WoW was king, nowhere days WoW is a dying horse and most people now prefer Team Fortress 2 and the ARMA 2 Mod game, DayZ, the latter of which has all the qualities of an MMO without being an MMO.

The MMO genre as a whole was really a failed game genre that was broken from the start of it's invention and I think I know why. People don't want to play a game that becomes a job or is a borefest, people want to have fun whenever they like and so I believe we've come to the death of the MMO genre.

 Thank you for your insight what gaming company do you work for and what games have you created and or devloped?

Originally posted by ABRaquel

Originally posted by Kevek777
We are dying to give a publisher our money!!!

Turbine would not be the publisher but Warner Brothers which owns Turbine.

 That and Turbine would have zero interest in some asian grinder no matter how pretty some people think it looks.I would make rather see Turbine/WB pick up  the 38 studios mmo assests/game