Runescape definately has crafting, and should also probably come under this too:

"I want a game with crafting that matters, not some sidestep in the game that's ignored."

Also, it has an optional subscription (plus the graphics have been updated - you might want to quickly check out the new ones to see where you feel they belong).

You cannot be attacked anywhere on RuneScape unless you play Classic (and never have been able to on RS2)

Well, I know that runescape is played by a wide variety of people of pretty much all ages except for kids who don't know how to use a computer. After playing for 6 years, I think the majority of players tend to be around the ages of 9-16. But I do know that a lot of college students and adults played as well.

I would agree with this – but I wouldn’t accept your claim that the community is getting younger – it is more the case that you are getting older. A lot of my good friends started rs aged 10-14 between 3 and 5 years ago.

"I always always always asked players their age before I added them to friends list, because i did not add minors to my list."

I judge people more on their levels of maturity than the age they claim to be.

"The 43 year old probably lied"

My aunt is 49 years old and plays RuneScape. Older players do exist. I would say that it is more likely than not that the person is telling the truth.

WBMs reporting people who haven’t done anything wrong is a problem – if only because it wastes Jagex’s time... Other than educating people about the rules, though, there isn’t much that can be done about that, without damaging the reporting system.

Short term does not necessarily mean that it is temporary...

I read it to mean like barrows/crystal equipment - degrading over time, and you have to pay in some way or other for it to be repaired.

Still, I advise you not to get your hopes up overly high - it is better to expect a mediocre update and be pleased with a good one than to expect a fantastic one and come out disappointed.

Pros:

Reasonably good graphics for a free game.

Personal dungeon is very nice.

Guardian system is a good way of getting used to the game.

Cons:

Game is just a dull grind grind grind.

To get anywhere beyond about level 40-50 you have to spend a small fortune in the item shop, or a very big one in game.

It crashes far too often.

As was said above, it has no character customisation whatsoever.

Crazy lag when in any area with more than about 15 people in sight.

Sounds like the sort of situation that Runescape got into in 2006/07.

The bots there are gone now of course, but at a very high price.

I wonder how long it will be before Silkroad follows a similar path - or decays into complete oblivion...

I used to play PlaneShift a while back. It was a good game. Not great, but good.

In fact this is one of a very very few mmos that I haven't stopped playing of my own will (although doubtless I would have done by now). Instead, it just suddenly stopped working on the computer for no apparent reason. I tried to find out why it did, but never really worked it out.

I have a new computer now though, and might give this game a try again someday.

Originally posted by luckypotato

Originally posted by plqx 

1 - Runescape has a large variety. Yes, to train each individual skill is a grind... If training one skill and one skill only for a long period of time is what you want to do. However, if you don't want to grind you don't have to - you can still experience the vast majority of the game without it.

1- Too much grind if you ask me

2 - It is a matter of opinion what makes a good pvp system. But the rewards are exactly the same as they always have been - and a good deal better than most other mmorpgs.

2- You apparently never played the pre-bounty hunter (wild) runescape

3 - what do you mean by this? that levels go slowly? If so, I challenge you to find me a decent mmo where the levels don't go slowly by the end. Oh wait, there aren't any... If you are talking about lag - try using a better world for you.

3-No i mean all you do it click the character and sit and wait, fast paced games are games with skills like GuildWars

4 - Replace 92% with 2% and you would be about right. However this is indeed a problem (although one which seems to have reduced substantially over the last few months), and one of the downsides of Runescape. Why is this the case? Because the game is so accessible. You don't have to spend hours downloading it, and you can play for free. Of course you will get idiots playing. It is a shame, but it is a price that, in my opinion, is worth paying.

4-Eh...atleast 50% of people are under 12, trust me..i played (past tense) Runescape sence 2005

5 - There are a lot of mmos that use clicking to move. To be honest I don't really care whether a game uses arrow keys or the mouse. What difference does it make?

5- I just dont like it, i much rather use wasd movement, its a much better position for my hands

6 - I am yet to come across another gaming company that cares as much as Jagex does about what people want... Even the updates at the end of last year - complaints about bots were far more common than complaints about the wildy are now... And even if they did only want your money... how would they go about getting it? That's right - by implementing updates that people want.  An example of a far more money-hungry gaming company would be Aeria games - who just create various games and then never update them other than to create new items for the item mall - which have to be bought for real world cash. I am glad to say that selling items in such a way is something that Jagex have chosen not to do - and any firm that just cared about cash wouldn't hesitate to do.

6- (then you play crappy mmo's..play Warhammer online, and Darkfall when they come out, or if you want to play a good game right now, play GuildWars..one time pay) Again, Fagex didnt REALLY care about rwt, it was an excuse to make the game apporiate for kids under 13 (jagex is releading a parental control system for runescape in Q2-3 2009

7 - load of nonsense. How many nerfs have there been so far this year? Oh wait... None.

7- I havent played sence 2007 but i do know that Sara (boss) safe spot for rangers got nerf'd

8 - also a load of nonsense. Many jmods are active on the forums, and they are frequently sighted in game. You can (and should) report any rulebreakers you see easily via an anonymous in-game facility. There is a very high number of players per customer support jmod simply because of the huge number of players.

8- Out of 2 years of playing i NEVER saw a jmod in-game, ive only seen pmods

9 - everyone who claims they were banned for no reason is lying. Everyone. People have been muted for no significant reason before - usually due to a misunderstanding by a player moderator.

9- I got banned for RWT for saying "46k" which refers to 46,000 gp (ingame) -.-

10 - have you played runescape since the graphical update? Nope, thought not. While these may not be the best in the business, can you blame them given that it is a browser based game. The runescape graphics are way better than ANY other browser based game in existance.

10- not for long...youll see, and it dosent matter that its a browser based game, a game is a game and the fact is with a simple 1-2 hour download you can get a way better completely free f2p game with way better graphics (such as requiem bloodymare)

 

kthxx

~luckypotato

 

1 - Fair enough. Everyone has a different idea how much is too much.

2 - I have been playing RuneScape since October 2004.

4 - As said above, I have played RS since October 2004. Also, a lot of people you assume to be under 12 are actually 14 or 15. And a very few people you assume to be over 12, aren't.

5 - Fair enough. I don't.

6 - That may be the case. I don't tend to play mmos that aren't at least available to play by free players. I don't have an unlimited supply of cash and as such I limit what games I can play. I am prepared to accept that better games you generally have to pay a lot of cash for - it makes perfect sense. But that's just not what I'm after. Cheapness to play is essential for me, and with cheapness will, in general, come lower quality. Stating that Jagex (note the J, not an F) didn't care about RWT is a downright lie, and if you believe that then you are deluded.

7 - see my post above this one. Not entirely sure where this specific case falls - it is in the hazy area between bug fix and nerf (in fact, you could argue that it was both).

8 - I have seen jmods a total of 14 times in game. And I don't go out of my way to look for them. They might be more active on UK worlds though - I don't use any others except when I have to.

10. This is not a reply to you, but to an earlier post. I tried Wurm online - and yes, I will grant that it has better graphics than RuneScape. But it also has the most horrendous lag I have ever encountered on an MMO. I scrolled down in the menu at the start of the tutorial, and it took over 5 minutes to register that I had done. Sorry, but better graphics really are NOT worth that much lag in my opinion.

And, as was said above, it is not a browser game.

I believe it is the case that you now only see the ice when your target actually gets frozen? And if so, is this really a bad thing?

I had not heard about the G Maul being weakened. If this is the case, then I will concede this.

With regards to the BH thing - a bug fix is a nerf now is it?

Wilderness map reduced? Not this year it hasn't been. And so what? It's not as though any key wildy features were removed by that.

The free trade and old-style pking removal were last year.

The safespot was unintentional... That's probably why they removed it. However a lot of people had been using it and liked it...

The chinning spot thing was a bug that was fixed a week later.

The thread-style look has happened with a lot of items. It is just how they reacted to the graphics update. Most of them if you play in low detail then this does not occur.

I believe this is just a way of reducing lag slightly. Not entirely sure. I doubt jagex sat down and decided to do that without a good reason to though.

Character model - depends what your character looks like. I admit that I had to change my appearance slightly so I didn't look stupid.

A lot of the worst item graphics have been fixed. But yes, there are still a few that need fixing still.

With regards to the number of players - runescape used to have around 40-50k bots online CONSTANTLY. This accounts for the vast majority in the dro in the number of players. And the number of subscribing members is at an all time high and rising.

I had created a thread on the compliments forum trying to save tutorial island. I do not think that the new tutorial is better, but I don't feel it to be much worse, and also I believe that Jagex have plans for tutorial island which wouldn't work if there were a load of newbies there. (Note also that this is another case of Jagex listening to the players - most people wanted the tutorial to be changed and updated, so Jagex did just that - the changed bit anyway. Most people seemed to prefer the new one. I was one of the few that did not.)

The subscription price hasn't increased. Yet. Anyway, if you worked out how much it would be if it had been adjusted for inflation every year since it came out, you would find that the price has dropped. Anyway, as I said above, there are more subscribing members now than ever before, and most of the "quitters" were bots.

It was rather more recently than I thought.

Here's a link. There are plenty of other sites that have reports on it though.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/02/15/halifax_blizzard_block/

Originally posted by mike470

Originally posted by plqx

1 - Runescape has a large variety. Yes, to train each individual skill is a grind... If training one skill and one skill only for a long period of time is what you want to do. However, if you don't want to grind you don't have to - you can still experience the vast majority of the game without it.

Everything is a grind. They just disguise the grind with different skillls.  They're so repetitived and uninteresting...and you HAVE to do the skills to make money..if you don't, you'll be way behind in money.

2 - It is a matter of opinion what makes a good pvp system. But the rewards are exactly the same as they always have been - and a good deal better than most other mmorpgs.

Lol, it's not a matter of opinion.  Hardly anyone thinks that bounty hunter was better than the wilderness, just look at all the PKers who quit.  Bounty hunter is a terrible minigame, and the only reason people play it is because it's the only PVP with full loot.  No one would rather have BH than the wilderness.

3 - what do you mean by this? that levels go slowly? If so, I challenge you to find me a decent mmo where the levels don't go slowly by the end. Oh wait, there aren't any... If you are talking about lag - try using a better world for you.

It's just an overall slowpaced game.  Standing in one spot, doing the same thing over and over.  That isn't fast paced at all, it's just very slow and very boring.

4 - Replace 92% with 2% and you would be about right. However this is indeed a problem (although one which seems to have reduced substantially over the last few months), and one of the downsides of Runescape. Why is this the case? Because the game is so accessible. You don't have to spend hours downloading it, and you can play for free. Of course you will get idiots playing. It is a shame, but it is a price that, in my opinion, is worth paying.

It has NOT gotten better.  While the number may not be 92%, it was WAY too high.  The community is immature, filled with 9-13 yr olds, or people older than that but still act immature.  RS has a horrible community, there is no hiding that.  I would much rather download a game and pay than to have an easily accessible game for free. 

5 - There are a lot of mmos that use clicking to move. To be honest I don't really care whether a game uses arrow keys or the mouse. What difference does it make

 A lot of games have WASD movement two.  More than not (unless they're from Korea, more are point n click from there) actually use WASD movement.  They should at least make it optional.

6 - I am yet to come across another gaming company that cares as much as Jagex does about what people want... Even the updates at the end of last year - complaints about bots were far more common than complaints about the wildy are now... And even if they did only want your money... how would they go about getting it? That's right - by implementing updates that people want.  An example of a far more money-hungry gaming company would be Aeria games - who just create various games and then never update them other than to create new items for the item mall - which have to be bought for real world cash. I am glad to say that selling items in such a way is something that Jagex have chosen not to do - and any firm that just cared about cash wouldn't hesitate to do.

Haha, I love how you try to turn this around and make JaGeX look good.  In case you didn't realize, they couldn't give a crap about what they do and what their community thinks.  They make bad update after bad update, not caring about the thoughts of the players.  They have horrible customer service, and overall they are a bad company.  Jagex just does this because they know no one will leave, and they will stick around even after they destroy the game even more (if that's possible).

7 - load of nonsense. How many nerfs have there been so far this year? Oh wait... None.

I think what he meant to say was that all of the PVP updates were ways of trying to fix the updates that happened last year --- all of which that failed.  Nothing has become even a decent replacement for what they removed.

8 - also a load of nonsense. Many jmods are active on the forums, and they are frequently sighted in game. You can (and should) report any rulebreakers you see easily via an anonymous in-game facility. There is a very high number of players per customer support jmod simply because of the huge number of players.

Jagex has horrible customer service...Wrongly banning some players while letting the bad players on the loose.  Don't try and lie, even most of the players can realize Jagex has poor, poor customer service...

9 - everyone who claims they were banned for no reason is lying. Everyone. People have been muted for no significant reason before - usually due to a misunderstanding by a player moderator.

...yeah, the thousands of people just lied...sure.

10 - have you played runescape since the graphical update? Nope, thought not. While these may not be the best in the business, can you blame them given that it is a browser based game. The runescape graphics are way better than ANY other browser based game in existance.

I have, and the graphics still suck.  It doesn't matter if they are Java, they are still bad graphics.  Wurm Online is another browser based game, and I think that has better graphics than RS.

 

1 - There are other ways of making money besides skilling. People claim that merchanting has become harder since the updates last year, but actually it has become a lot easier. And you don't have to be rich ... And of course you can vary between the skills... Just training one stat for a month at a time is dull, yes. But what about doing half an hour of this, then an hour of that etc? Or are you only interested in power levelling? In which case you will be grinding wherever you go.

2 - It IS a matter of opinion. It may be (okay... it is) the case that more players liked the old system of pking than the new one, but it is still down to the individual to decide, and still an opinion.

3 - If you don't talk it can get boring yes. And if you only do one skill for ages on end...

4 - I think I've been playing a different game to you. The 2% was substantially higher than my experience. However, those that there are are generally very obnoxious and thus people think there are more of them than there are. Just get in with a good community and you will be fine. However, I will agree that there are way too many people like that. But just stick them on your ignore list. You probably won't meet more than 1 every 3-4 hours on average, especially if you are staying in the same area...

5 - Again, I see no benefit to this over clicking. In fact, it has a downside. For with this implemented, you can no longer automatically type in the chat screen when you type in text - which is a pet hate of mine for just about every MMO other than runescape.

6 - The vast majority of runescape updates were suggested by players.

7 - They are bringing out more though... And no, no single one will replace the wildy. But I believe that the vast majority of it will have been replaced by something when they bring out the changes to clan wars. And replaced acceptably well too.

8 - I stick with what I said in 9 earlier. However, I agree that the customer support deteriorated a lot last year when the sheer number of pker morons who couldn't read spammed up their system, forcing them to replace everything with an autoresponse. They then closed most of it down entirely. Unfortunately they haven't brought it back up yet - something that I am hoping to see in the near future, but am not confident about.

9 - Yes, sure. Most of them are people who got banned for a reason, but didn't really understand what that reason was - usually because they hadn't bothered to read the rules.

10 - I never mentioned Java... I have not tried this wurm online. I will look into it in the near future. Before then I cannot pass a judgment.

What I don't understand is why other companies, such as Blizzard, aren't having these problems.  If they are having the problem, then why aren't they taking such strong action?  It's pathetic, really, they didn't even try before this.  Incorrect bans don't solve the problems; while the actual botters /RWTers were out there on the lose.  If JaGeX thought their updates through, thought of better ideas, thought of other ways to solve the problem, they wouldn't be in this mess right now.

About a year ago, a large and well known bank blocked all payments to Blizzard due to the levels of credit card fraud associated with real world item trading.

They are having the problems, they just don't care.

Originally posted by mike470

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by mike470

Here's what they do for under 13:

They're bringing out a parents page in Q1 or Q2 of 2009(why the hell it's taking so long is beyond me, it's kinf of pathetic).  So now kids under 13 are running around with Jagex's permission of being underaged (unlike before where you had to be older than 13).  Once the parents agree with this "Parent Page" the parents now have a choice.  They could either allow their kid to talk openly OR only let the kids talk using quick chat until they are 13.  I believe they can only read other players who use quick chat as well.

I agree with you, it's a sick place, but they will never remove open chat.  They have the parents agree to the "Parent Page" which probably makes it legal.  The parents are agreeing with everything.

Still, it's wrong to make the game okay for 13 yr olds with the kind of community this game has.. They probably just got scared because of SOE's Free Realms lol.

 

What stops the kids from making a new account themselves and setting their own permissions? Nothing.  So all of these features are pointless in the first place. If they do not have features in place to prevent them from making new unrestricted accounts then it cannot claim to be a "child safe " game. Yes they can take the claim that it is " child freindly" but they cannot claim it is "child safe" if the game  is not.  I am not sure of the restrictions in the other countries, but The USA has very strict laws determining this. Hell here they won;t even allow Harry Potter or Tom Sawyer books to be allowed in schools.. 

 

I agree.  It's simple just to click "I am over 13 years of age" and to play. 

 

And I, and most others, know a lot of people who did just that. However, back then if you said you were under 13 they simply stopped you from playing. This meant that everyone would click "back" and then select 13-17 instead. Nowadays, it allows you to create a new account which hopefully should mean that less people lie about their age than before.

I'm not a big fan of quick chat though... It's too... robot-like.

Originally posted by luckypotato

Note to mods: I AM NOT TRYING TO MAKE ANYBODY CURSE OR TRYING TO MAKE ANYBODY BREAK ANY RULE IN ANY WAY, i am purely trying to express my openion (and several thousand's of others)

why this game sucks:

1. its a grindfest, the game is ALL grinding (you have to put in hundreds of hours into the game)

2.no good pvp system with real rewards anymore (removal of wilderness and replaced with crap)

3.Super slow paced

4. the community is 92% of little kids under 12 who call everyone "noobs" and cuss and  whine and think there 1337

5.game mechanics stink (point, click, move)

6.Jagex dosent care about what you think should be or shouldnt be in the game, all they want is your money

7.99.7% of the "updates" are nerf's

8.The customer support is non-existant

9.People get banned for no reason

10.Graphics utterly suck (even WoW's is better)

 

~~~~~(i used to play runescape...when it still was a good game..but now its a horrible game..dont ask)

 

Thank you

~luckypotato

 

1 - Runescape has a large variety. Yes, to train each individual skill is a grind... If training one skill and one skill only for a long period of time is what you want to do. However, if you don't want to grind you don't have to - you can still experience the vast majority of the game without it.

2 - It is a matter of opinion what makes a good pvp system. But the rewards are exactly the same as they always have been - and a good deal better than most other mmorpgs.

3 - what do you mean by this? that levels go slowly? If so, I challenge you to find me a decent mmo where the levels don't go slowly by the end. Oh wait, there aren't any... If you are talking about lag - try using a better world for you.

4 - Replace 92% with 2% and you would be about right. However this is indeed a problem (although one which seems to have reduced substantially over the last few months), and one of the downsides of Runescape. Why is this the case? Because the game is so accessible. You don't have to spend hours downloading it, and you can play for free. Of course you will get idiots playing. It is a shame, but it is a price that, in my opinion, is worth paying.

5 - There are a lot of mmos that use clicking to move. To be honest I don't really care whether a game uses arrow keys or the mouse. What difference does it make?

6 - I am yet to come across another gaming company that cares as much as Jagex does about what people want... Even the updates at the end of last year - complaints about bots were far more common than complaints about the wildy are now... And even if they did only want your money... how would they go about getting it? That's right - by implementing updates that people want.  An example of a far more money-hungry gaming company would be Aeria games - who just create various games and then never update them other than to create new items for the item mall - which have to be bought for real world cash. I am glad to say that selling items in such a way is something that Jagex have chosen not to do - and any firm that just cared about cash wouldn't hesitate to do.

7 - load of nonsense. How many nerfs have there been so far this year? Oh wait... None.

8 - also a load of nonsense. Many jmods are active on the forums, and they are frequently sighted in game. You can (and should) report any rulebreakers you see easily via an anonymous in-game facility. There is a very high number of players per customer support jmod simply because of the huge number of players.

9 - everyone who claims they were banned for no reason is lying. Everyone. People have been muted for no significant reason before - usually due to a misunderstanding by a player moderator.

10 - have you played runescape since the graphical update? Nope, thought not. While these may not be the best in the business, can you blame them given that it is a browser based game. The runescape graphics are way better than ANY other browser based game in existance.

They got rid of the bots and a large chunk of the "leetist" community that was giving runescape a bad name...

Yes there is a price that had to be paid for this, but in my opinion, as in those of the vast majority who actually make a positive contribution to the game, it is a price worth paying. The game was doomed to die and they saved it. Not the opposite as some people seem to believe.

Best: Planeshift. A FREE (m)morpg with about 4 in 5 players being skilled and experienced roleplayers. The game is designed to encourage this too. And this is infectious - when i first started i had a generally detrimental effect on the game's society. However, within an hour i had started to develop a character for myself and thus fit in with the rest of the society - as a good contribution to the society of the game. Sadly the actual gameplay itself cannot live up to the high standard of the community. But this wins for community hands down.

Worst: At first i was going to say runescape, for despite being a much better game than it is often given credit for, there are a few noobs (NOT newbies) on there who have no aim but to annoy others. But runescape has a better side to the community too, and in far greater supply than what i will put down as worst, which is World of Warcraft. The only game i have ever quit solely because of the bad communiy.