Originally posted by MikeJezZ

Originally posted by ShakyMo
Well they had to come up with their own ideas this time rather than rip off wow and add a sprinkling of war and eq2.

I would like to know what you mean Defiance has taken from War?

Little if anything, that was the entire point I think ;)

Rift was the game the game they blatantly copied for. The name giving rifts are a ripoff of WAR's public quests for example and a poor one at that ( Same applies to the "events" in GW2, though they at least offer some variety ).

In the lower zones, people will either be helpful or ignore you completely. Elitism is fortunately restricted to nightmare groups, but there it is rampant.

I would highly recommend joining a Cabal as the mechanics of the game itself do not support grouping and social interaction in general outside of the dungeons.

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Amegashie

Originally posted by Bigdaddyx

Originally posted by gaeanprayer
If this is truly the perception of the average gamer, you guys need to crawl out of your holes and visit the real world for a bit. The women in this thread from TSW aren't 'average', TSW aims for realism and yet in the real world those women would still be models, still more beautiful than the 'average' woman. You guys are getting so used to air-brushed perfection that you're starting to think that's the norm. Reality check, people.

In reality african american and asians comes with all kind of features. Have you tried making one of either in TSW? the nose, eyes, lips etc are such stereotypes that i am surprised anyone would even have an audactiy to type 'TSW is going for reality'.

You're mixing up going for realism with lack of options. I guess everyone can agree there should be a lot more choices for pretty much every feature of your character you can alter, including ones not usually found in Caucasians.

 

That's something entirely different than what the guy you quoted was talking about though and he is spot on. 

how is he spot on? there are TONS of extremely beautiful average joes walking around the world that are not air brushed movie stars.. so why if they are trying to make a game "realistic" can I not make a toon that to me looks anything better than below average in the beauty spectrum...

The "to me" part seems to be the problem here. 

Originally posted by BrownAle

While a 150 man development team is pretty good, dividing that up between the three platforms..well not so good apparently.

"Pretty good" ? Absolutely awesomely HUGE would be the more appropriate term. Just ask the likes of FunCom how many people they have working on their games.

Even with that armada of employees Trion appearantly aren't able to keep up with the tight schedule the game/show mix requires though. They'll sort things like the prehistoric patcher out eventually, but probably not before the first season of the show is over.

Originally posted by aRtFuLThinG

I think it just have not been updated yet - maybe sy-fi channel outside of US haven't show the pilot yet and they are waiting for people to have a chance to watch it first before uploading Episode 2's missions.

That or they are still giving people a chance to do Episode 1 missions - if I remember correctly they will take down episode 1 missions after episode 2 is up, and the end of episode 1 missions do give a nice gun (epic 4 slots).

The episode missions were taken down on all servers hours before the show even aired in the US on Monday actually. So far it looks like the "new content" is all of two pursuits...Not impressed.

Originally posted by Bigdaddyx

Originally posted by gaeanprayer
If this is truly the perception of the average gamer, you guys need to crawl out of your holes and visit the real world for a bit. The women in this thread from TSW aren't 'average', TSW aims for realism and yet in the real world those women would still be models, still more beautiful than the 'average' woman. You guys are getting so used to air-brushed perfection that you're starting to think that's the norm. Reality check, people.

In reality african american and asians comes with all kind of features. Have you tried making one of either in TSW? the nose, eyes, lips etc are such stereotypes that i am surprised anyone would even have an audactiy to type 'TSW is going for reality'.

You're mixing up going for realism with lack of options. I guess everyone can agree there should be a lot more choices for pretty much every feature of your character you can alter, including ones not usually found in Caucasians.

That's something entirely different than what the guy you quoted was talking about though and he is spot on. 

Originally posted by detlik
If I didnt have time to get to the game yet, and can still wait patiently for some time, should I wait for the big update on 15th or should I start playing now? Just asking because I heard the update should fix most issues

There will be no miracle patch, not on the 15th, not ever. If you don't want to deal with the current worst UI in MMO history and the small kinks surrounding every release, put it off for now.

Originally posted by SupportPlayerMM

Originally posted by Myria

Originally posted by SupportPlayerMM

Alpha servers still live

Not unless they turned them back on and, for some odd reason, didn't tell any of the Alpha testers. The Alpha server went dark a day or so before launch.

The Alpha forums are still up, and being used. But not the game server, at least as far as anyone there knows.

Just because they didn't call you up and authorize it with you doesn't mean the Alpha server isn't still the test bed for Trion working out new patches. That's the general thing all studios do even if they turn the user accounts off. 

What you're talking about is internal testing, something entirely different.

Why does a company doing its job and fixing up the product they already sold to customers deserve a cheer anyway ? That should go without saying.

Originally posted by eric_w66

I understand why they didn't release tons of content for a couple of reasons:

 

1) The TV show tie ins. Hard to 'change the world', when you've built it all already. If you don't understand why the game is in SF and the show in StL, then you need to do more research.

2) This game is not subscription based. It is a shooter. People who enjoy shooters don't expect gigantic worlds, they're used to playing the same 10 maps, over and over again. Plus with the PvP aspect of it, you need player density. What good is a PvP hotspot if only one person is within 10 miles of it?

Ooooorr the game is just a quick cash grab, charging a premium box price for a substandard product and then selling small bits of content for additional fees. Like, you know, plenty of people on this board have warned before release.

Comparing Defiance to recent titles in the genre, GW2 and Secret World come to mind, paints a pretty clear picture and that's with all the problems FunCom's latest game itself had and has considered.

Originally posted by MikeJezZ

Originally posted by Amegashie
Tons of players being locked out of the game because Trion sent various retailers only a pre-order-key and no actual game key is indeed April fools, but not of the good kind. How the f did they not notice this ?

So people did only get the key for the preorder stuff but not the game itself?

 

Ouch that's bad.

Yep. And not a single word by Trion themselves on the issue yet...They could easily calm the storms by just giving people with the pre order keys registered temporary access to the game until the actual game keys are sent out, but appearantly they're trying to just sit it out and do nothing.

Dirges are argueably the best support class, but Illusionists are very useful as well and good ones much more rare in my experience ( Freeport Server these days, might be different on others ).

Personally I picked a Beastlord and that's because I wanted to play a Kerran martial arts character. Used to be a Bruiser at release, but...let's not go there.

Originally posted by sancher36
Before you guys reply to the OP in this thread you should read his other posts. I believe this is just here to create a stir 

And so it should. Calling the game b2p and likening it to the payment model of GW2 is misleading and potential customers deserve to know.

Originally posted by SysFail

Originally posted by Amegashie

Originally posted by cm01

Originally posted by Rzep

Originally posted by zethcarn
I had posted this in the general forums but some mod thought it belonged in the Defiance forums.  I wanted to know what the general MMO population thought of it not just Defiance fans.  Oh well.

To get a general opinion of what mmo gamers think of a game, take what most of mmorpg.com forum posters think, reverse it and there you have it. The rule is, the more hated and trolled the game is on these forums, the more popular it is/will be.

By that logic GW2 and SWTOR should have been mega successes.

GW2 pretty much is.

 

There were plenty of posters, including me, calling SWToR a decent single player RPG with some lacking MMO elements tacked on though, which turned out to be pretty accurate.

 

PS: 25 quids ? Where ? At that price I just might grab a copy.

Amazon uk, i was a quid out, it was 26, well 28 for me as i went for delivery on the day of release...

Thanks.

That's about 31 Euros, still a pretty good deal.

Originally posted by cm01

Originally posted by Rzep

Originally posted by zethcarn
I had posted this in the general forums but some mod thought it belonged in the Defiance forums.  I wanted to know what the general MMO population thought of it not just Defiance fans.  Oh well.

To get a general opinion of what mmo gamers think of a game, take what most of mmorpg.com forum posters think, reverse it and there you have it. The rule is, the more hated and trolled the game is on these forums, the more popular it is/will be.

By that logic GW2 and SWTOR should have been mega successes.

GW2 pretty much is and other than a few trolls these forums predicted as much.

There were plenty of posters, including me, calling SWToR a decent single player RPG with some lacking MMO elements tacked on though, which turned out to be pretty accurate.

That's mmorpg.com forums 2:0 viral marketers.

PS: 25 quids ? Where ? At that price I just might grab a copy.

It's not really a bad game, riding on a quad bike through the post apocalyptic wasteland and blowing mutant brains out with a large variety of weapons is fun. For a while.

Unfortunately the gameplay is rather shallow and as a stand alone MMO the game in its current state doesn't really cut it in today's way oversaturated market. We'll see how the tie in with the show actually works. A couple months in at reduced price I just might buy it afterall, not now though.

They really need to admit defeat and let go of their obsession with e-sports. Won't work and hardly anyone cares about it anyway. That would allow some easing up on the controlled environment in sPvP, maps with different objectives in particular. Using one game mode with only minimal deviations across all maps is what is preventing more builds from being viable. You have to min/max for it or you'll be at a big disadvantage.

Overall GW2 is one of the better games recently released or upcoming in regards to PvP though. The combat system is robust, the balancing ( in PvP ) excellent and the maps that do exist are well designed. Compare that to complete failures in the PvP department like The Secret World or Defiance and there is a world of a difference.

ArenaNet just need to get off their asses and wake up to reality rather than pursueing their "vision" of e-sports no matter how often their customers tell them it's BS.