OK, read all the post here, my comment is to the OP:  WTF said FE was a pure sandbox game???    I really wish people would pull their heads out of their a@@s about this game, IT WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE PURE SANDBOX, IT'S A HYBRID!!!!  The Devs have said this, many of us on these forums have said this.  OVER and OVER and OVER....It definitely has Sandbox ELEMENTS about the game (this has been pointed out before not going to regurgitate the same crap) as well as themepark.  Please give this argument a rest!  Moving on....

The Faction Wheel.  I think we need to remember that the game has plans for ADDITIONAL Sectors and content.  The faction wheel spinning is just a perk of the lower level sectors, I doubt the Devs will continue to enable players to keep spinning the wheel indefinitely.  I suspect that in Sectors 4+ working the faction wheel will become impossible to do without too much to lose.  I wont be surprised if they started adding penalities as well to faction spinners, I remember reading something about all the factions turning against you if you show your self to be wishy-washy (thats not the word they used but you get the idea).  In short, just remember that FE is still new, the next expansion will most likely hold some new angles for how the factions work.

Chill out, FE is just gettin started, theres alot more coming!  I am loving the game because as I have found myself a gamer that likes BOTH types of games (Sand and theme) FE is perfect for me.  I think there are many of us out there that like this type of game as well.  And at the end of the day, please remember, there arent many skill based games out there, lets be grateful that at least there is a few. 

Nothing can kill EVE but CCP.  Unlike other MMO's EVE's population keeps growing, while every other game population is shrinking (over time).  There's a reason for this inverse trend that EVE continues to enjoy.  I'll sum it up in two words: Learning curve.  There is basically something new to learn in EVE every single tme you log in.  Talk about a carrot on a stick, the ability to learn something new and cool vs. a new shiny is EVE's trademark. 

EVE is also capturing the crowd of mature gamers that are looking for more of a challenge then the typical fare of WOW, Guild Wars, etc. have offered.   I know that's how it got me for a time (and even tho my account isnt active atm, does one really ever leave EVE?) and I know at some point in the future I will resub and go out there in that great, vast expanse of space and mine my heart away.  Till then I'm enjoying FE, but I always keep my ear to the ground with EVE.  EVE continues to innovate, excite and offer challenges to gamers seeking something out of the ordinary. 

I am not surprised by the sales.  AION was released with tons of polish.  And even though I cancelled my sub (the linear gameplay is not for me, and by linear that is my opinion) I can see why others would prefer it.  It's sexy, glitzy with lots of eye candy.  The classes are pretty well put together for a PVE/PVP game and the PVP is pretty fun.  All this isnt enough for me as I am turning more to sandboxy type games, but AION delivers on it's promises for many.

Some people refuse to see the sandbox elements of FE because they don't like FE.  It's really that simple.  FE has several elements that would clearly be defined as sandbox, yet the trolls keep claiming how thats not true.  In another thread I was told "not to use FE and EVE in the same sentence"  by that misinformed troll thats on this thread saying the same thing. 

One of the main components of a sandbox game is the tools or "freedoms" it provides to players.  In FE you can be any type of crafter you want, any type of hybrid player as well (which most of us will end up being no doubt), align yourself with any faction you want, and do any mission you want (so far at level 10 I have not found any mission line that I was forced to do).  The game has sectors based on the amount of skills one has developed however nothings stopping you from going where ever you want (you just may end up dead though).  All in all I find the game to provide me as a player alot of freedoms that I have seldom experienced in all my time gaming.

I am not sure what the obsession is with some people to deride FE.  Is FE pure sandbox? no it isnt.  Does it have important sandbox elements? Yes it does.  No one is saying its pure sandbox, and what game is? 

Originally posted by heartless

My dude, I'm still in the same zone where I took the original screen shots.

Here are some more:

*snip*

 

Anyway, I'm tired of having this conversation with you. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about, yet you feel the need to post of this forum and purposefully mislead people by playing down the bot problem.

During the course of this conversation, which spanned two days, I have posted numerous screen shots of bots and bot legions. You, on the other hand, can only say "I haven't seen any, come to my server and I'll show you."

GG

You have shown him numerous examples of the bot infestation within AION.  Whomever can't see the OBVIOUS Bots in AION needs to have their head examined.  Thats why my Sub is CANCELLED with that POS botters paradise of a game. 
 

Originally posted by AcidWave

I really hope this game fails as it is a disgrace to the level and the standards WOW and LOTRO are trying to establish.

*** Edited the post to please blackthornn *** and added 11 and 12.

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This says it all.  I dont know whom FE has pissed off but they are on a bender today.  Maybe the fanbois of Earthrise? Borderlands?  who knows, the one thing I do know is that FE is like a breath of fresh air, and I am loving it. 

Originally posted by colddog

Your getting into minutia.  My comparisons of the games were very general, I am not debating that there are differences within those similarities.   

Really, the issue with comparing these two games is how linear FE is compared to EVE. They are skill based in a completely different way. FE's skill based system is simple, guided and forces caps based on level attained.

 More minutia.  I said they were BOTH skillbased, that's all. 

Fallen Earth is a series of quest hubs. Eve can be anything you want it to be. There is nothing similar except that there is some vague resemblance in that there is a skill system. FE forces you into very few builds if you are smarter than a fifth grader and EVE really does have an open ended system where you can focus on hundereds of different things.

 See the above response regarding the skill system similarity. 

There is nothing sandbox about FE at all in any way except for a skill system that is based on level gained. And it forces people into only very few builds (unless they purposefully choose to "RP" a less effective build).

I disagree, I think FE is "somewhat open and non-linear" in comparison to other games.  Is it exactly like EVE, totally open? No.  And no one said it was.  As for EVE, sure you can go whereever you want to go in EVE, but without the proper skills, training or  friends, you wont last long.  I stayed in .5 and higher systems until I had enough skills to withstand (or at least attempt to) being ganked or gate camped.  Sure I could go into 0.0 and the first time I did I was podkilled and my ship destroyed.  So I guess its a matter of opinion if you think you can "do whatever you want" in EVE.  Getting continuously wreaked and podkilled ;)  All games have some restictions and limits, just because you CAN go somewhere doesnt mean that's the best thing at the time to do. 

But again, this is more minutia.  Your getting into details regarding the comparisons and I was speaking in general terms.  Telling me not to say these two games in the same sentence is probably the dumbest thing I have heard on this thread, if even beats the OPs remarks.  Both are skillbased, both appeal to a niche playerbase and both are open-ended and non-linear to an extent where they can be generally compared.  The fact that EVE is totally openended and has an unlimited skill based system was a fact that I took for granted people understood.   I hate to say this but as the adage goes, troll more.  Cheers.

Originally posted by Horusra

The skill base of Eve and the skill base of FE are completely different.  EVE is unlimited skilling FE is limited more like AC1.  The way you skill is completely different.  The setup of the skills is completely different. 

LOL, the fact is they are BOTH skill based.  No one is saying their skill systems are the same. 
 

Originally posted by colddog

 

Please never compare EVE to FE again. They are completely different in every way. It is mildly embarrassing that you would mention them both in the same sentence and makes it painfully obvious you have not played both of these games. 

 

I'm not sure if you've even played either. Have you? Because to say these games are similar is WAY off base.

I think I sufficiently put forth what I felt the two games shared in common.  And qualified that.  I have a 25 million sp pilot in EVE, I am currently playing FE, come again?  Whats painfully obvious is your inability to read and understand WHAT I was pointing out that was similar in both games. I do not beleive my comparisons of their "sandbox" or more open, non-linear elements, is "Way off base".  They are both skillbased, appeal to niche markets and are not conventional.  I would say that is actually alot of similarities. 

Please read.  BTW, I cant beleive you quoted my entire post, and pulled out one sentence to debate.  You may want to try editing the quotes to be a bit more specific.  ;) 

Originally posted by psymon15

This game is so terrible...there is nothing about it unique, nothing done rather well, and is more irritating than fun.

Is it just me or does it seem like the creators of this game just took fallout 3, changed the name, made it crappy and decided to try and bank off of it.

 ......This game is just full of so much fail...I DON'T RECCOMEND ANYONE PLAY THIS GAME...for $50...if i would have know how this game actually was....I would have spent the money on something more useful...like a tank of gas and a lighter to burn this company down with.

After playing WOW for 2 years and interspersing that experience with other games like WAR, AOC, EQ2 and even trying out AION, I finally decided to check out FE with the trial key earlier this week. I had played beta and thought the game abysmal, but was looking to give it another chance. Why? I have longed for a SciFi MMO for many years (or something close to scifi, whatever, just no damn elves!) and was desperate for something fresh. I am so glad I did.  I will provide my own review of the game at a later date.
 

To the OP (because we all know your going to come back and read these posts ;) ) your points arent very well thought out.  I wont go over them point by point, as others already have, but seriously based on the above content I have quoted here, you simply sound fustrated.  No game developer makes "Bank off" a game like Fallen Earth.  FE is too unconventional and won't appeal to the masses.  If they wanted to try and make "bank" they would have produced another WOW clone.  I beleive FE is taking the route that CCP has, niche market, with a smaller, and very dedicated, fanbase.  As MMO tastes change and people look for other types of games, hopefully FE will attract that crowd, if it doesnt I beleive it will still continue to do well.  But FE simply does not have the glitz and eye candy (think AION) that would lead us to feel the devs are simply trying to only make a buck by rehashing old content.

You express fustration with the money you spent.  There is no reason to try a game out nowadays by paying for it, when there are so many free trials going on.  Patcience sir.  If money is an issue for you, just wait for the free trial or key.  It will come eventually, this is part of the genre's marketing plan. 

On a point, you discuss "storyline".  Point taken, however games like FE (and think EVE Online as well) are far more open, even sandbox (Ugh I hate that word! but whatever) in their nature.  SUre there are underlying currents of stories, but the game is really yours to make of what you will.  Right now my character (who I have decided to align with Vistas as I am a treehugger in rl) is exploring, hunting, questing and trying out different crafting.  I like the fact that most actions provide one with experience credit, this prevents us from being "stuck" in one type of gameplay.   Many gamers prefer a more linear style, this is fine, perhaps linear reflects your preferred playstyle.  If this is the case, a game like EVE or FE will never make you happy. 

Anyway thats all I have to say regarding the OPs post.  There is no need to insult the op but I think his post mayhave been taken a bit more seriously without that title.  The OP needs to understand he will get a negative response when he makes posts that implicitly tell others NOT to play a game.  Viral negative marketing abounds and those of us with any experience in gaming forums know only too well that competing game developers normally set up accounts to trash each other.  The familiar trends in these types of posts are usually a direct attack at a game, that isnt supported by facts (they like to confuse opinions with facts) and they ALWAYS caution persons to not play the game and not to waste their MONEY.  The OPs post had every single element of a negative marketing attempt by a rival developer. 

Cheers!

Originally posted by Guillermo197

You know what is more sad and very Ironic?

That Tabula Rasa was actually a much better game. If NCSoft just had given it a chance and actually tried to fix it.

The whole combat system of Tabula Rasa was 100 times more fluid and smooth as hell. And TAB targeting actually worked.

The mob AI in Tabula Rasa was also 100 times better. The Alien drop ships dropping off patrols and such. Best thing I've ever seen in an MMO to date.

They just had to fix the skill trees and add more content. That's all.

Agreed.  I had a lvl 47 Doctor in TR, loved the combat and the skill trees.  The Mob AI was hands down the best I have ever experienced.  But with no endgame it was destined to lose subs.  Ah well.

As for AION, lvl 31 Cleric and I'm aout done, cant take the grind aspect, bots and spammers.  The games PVE is seriously lacking as well. 

Another one bites the dust (for me anyway).  NEXT!!  Who am I kidding, just gonna go back to WOW for a bit till SWTOR hits. 

With all due respect I think some people on this thread are being very naive.  Businesses are about making profit, this will always be the case no matter what business they are in (making widgets or making MMOs).  Making a fun game is fine as long as it makes profit for the makers of the game.  As we know everyones "definition" of fun varies, so all firms can do is try to find the most common denominators and work on those.  Throw in some unique features that provide for a competitive advantage and they may make some gold.  After that, keeping those initial audiences requires dilligence and staying in tune wiith the prevailing trends and attitudes of their CORE customers. 

Sounds simple and it is.  The problem is some persons will always want the niche, and not the common denominator.  Those people are usually SOL, with the amount of money needed to bring a new MMO to market, developers cannot afford to take that many chances let alone cater to the niche crowd.   The ones that DO cater to the niche do so very carefully and slowly (ie: EVE Online) usually taking their time to build and develop thier strategy.  They dont usually come out with the big BANG of an AION or Warhammer.  They come out under the fence, slowly and as inexpensively as possible. 

I'm having the same issue,  Cant log in either.  All the related AION sites are down, NCSoft Account pages are down, even AIONSource is down.

This is all off to a bad start if you ask me.  :(  May wait till launch, or rather AFTER launch to bother with this game. 

I guess I'll pipe in.  I resisted WOW for years as well and finally gave it a serious try when a new server released.  Personally I think the Art Direction in WOW is the best I have ever seen.  Art Direction is ALOT more than just the standard graphics, its about color, mood and DETAIL.  WOW's world is full of critters, lore based objects and interesting artwork which to me, makes it amazing.  I too used to beleive that "realistic" artwork was the only way to go, but now after the richness of detail in WOW, I can't even look at EQ2 (my past game which I played for 3 years) again.   AION has got it right by making the world of gameplay very beautiful and also full of detail.  As far as quests go I find them interesting, and TBC has perhaps the most interesting quests in the game (who can forget the bombing and "poo" quests??)

WOW is about the endgame at the end of the day.  And that endgame is full of exciting things to do.  Quite frankly some of the raid scripting of WOW is the best thought out encounters I have ever engaged in.  They do present a challenge and one that when you beat it you get a sense of gratification (Dont know how many times I have heard the thunderous applause on vent from taking down some tuff mob).  Endgame is important whether you engage in it or not.  Many games have failed due to lack of endgame (or the promise of such).  See Tabula Rasa....

The only things I think WOW lacks is a more interesting crafting (altho its actually pretty decent, and you can make decent clothes and weapons until you start raiding) and some more mini-games like Housing and Guild Halls (I actually think guild halls are a MUST, and long overdue in WOW. Guilds love to show off and it would be great for the RPers).   

Originally posted by todeswulf

People are really underestimating Aion.....really really really underestimating it. 

^^^Agree.  I have played in beta and there is more to the game than people here are giving it credit for.  It has mass appeal.  In other words it has many components that many types of gamers will enjoy, hence more subs as a result.  Similar to WOW.  True its more PVP oriented, however it still has strong elements of PVE, strong crafting, great art direction, character customization, etc. the list goes on. 
 

Aion has enough elements to keep many types of gamers interested and therefore that many more subs.   I dont think NCSoft is speaking out of turn or getting ahead of themselves by claiming it may get the #2 spot.  It will.  And with more subs, more $$, more development/content...more more more.  

EQOA, it was my first MMO.  What made me feel like a part of the world was the seamlessness of the game.  There was VERY little zoning and really no instancing.  THe game world varied tremendously, as a Barbarian I came from the snowy lands of Halas, Trolls came from the swamps of Grobb, and so on.  You could literally run from the top of the game world to the bottom non-stop and it would take to several hours to do.  The raid zones were complex, the bosses were worthy oppenents. 

Time to kill the dragon. Good times! 

Originally posted by Rabenwolf

Originally posted by Broomy

Originally posted by deadmilk

Broomy, if you hate the US so much why are you still here?  I'm sure there are plenty of other countries that would take you in.

 

Awwww...here it comes.  The ignorance has come full circle.  Who said I "hated" America? Again, cant defend or respond...so let's distract. 

First tactic: Point the fingers at other countries, compare ours to theirs and point out how much better we are COMPARED to others.. 

Second tactic:  Tell anyone that doesnt like it to leave! 

This has all been done before, cant you think of something a bit more original? 

How's this:  I pay taxes, I'll say what I want about this country.  Dont like it, stop reading.

Cheers!

 

 

 

Sure, you can pay taxes and have the right to be ignorant. You are also right, you are what you said, an ameri-cant. IF a nation is no better than its people, then you have shown that it definately is a shitty nation going by who you are and what you say. Thankfully you are the minority.

The irony burns doesnt it? There is too much hypocrisy going on in your statements.

 

Furthermore, the hundreds of thousands of people who come to the US every year from other countries must have a reason for wanting to live here. Surely they must be stupid since you know better than them. I mean who in their right mind would move to a country that has the second highest tax rate in the world...unless it was a great country. NIce try.

 

"Democracy is a government where you can say what you think even if you don't think."

Other than throwing out insults I can see that your just another copout with nothing to say.  Distract, insult, compare, (now its all the immigrants that come here blah blah,) but never ever ever, respond to the atrocities this country has committed that perhaps some of us have enough courage to face.  People like you, whom I call AMERICAN'Ts, make me sick. 

One has to face one's history in order to overcome it.  One has to accept one's past inorder to move forward.  The cowardice I see here from Americants like you is precisely what people through out the world find revolting about this country.  I  would love to say that people like you are in the minority, but unfortunately I cant.  Too many ignorants like yourself exist in this country.  The best one can do is try at all costs to avoid you and hope there aren't too many of you that I need to be in contact with. 

Originally posted by Teala

Have I once said America is perfect?  Even once?  If so please point it out to me.   I know people like you.   I know how you thrive on hate.   So be my guest.    It is all you are capable of.   That is why you continue to generalize and point a finger at America and say - you are evil.    Well I know better.   I know the truth.   I know that America may not be perfect, but I can tell you this, after traveling to many places and other countries on this planet - I am so glad I was born and raised here and live in the US.   
 

The only hater is you.  Keep pointing fingers Dear, cause you have been found out.  I highly doubt you have ever traveled outside the stateline.  But whatever, internet is made for liars, enjoy yourself.  And next time you CAN'T defend your arguement, just do us all a favor and shutup.  Finger pointing is truly disgusting. 

Originally posted by deadmilk

Broomy, if you hate the US so much why are you still here?  I'm sure there are plenty of other countries that would take you in.

Awwww...here it comes.  The ignorance has come full circle.  Who said I "hated" America? Again, cant defend or respond...so let's distract. 

First tactic: Point the fingers at other countries, compare ours to theirs and point out how much better we are COMPARED to others.. 

Second tactic:  Tell anyone that doesnt like it to leave! 

This has all been done before, cant you think of something a bit more original? 

How's this:  I pay taxes, I'll say what I want about this country.  Dont like it, stop reading.

Cheers!

Originally posted by Teala

Originally posted by Broomy

Originally posted by Teala

I posted what I did when others decided to attack my country with verbage rather than discuss the main topic of the thread.    My post I created is true and I dare you or anyone to try to deny what I wrote is not true.   I did not start this thread and I do not care for the original title of it - it was poorly written.   Nevertheless, the total hate and disdain that was aimed ay my country was uncalled for and not necessary.   So I thought I would retrun the favor and point out that America may not be all that - but neither is anyone elses.    I think this thread needs deleted.   It should have not been allowed to stay active this long.
 

 

What you did was point out the faults of other countries because you couldnt respond to what was being said about yours.  This my Dear is commonly called a "Cop-Out".  And most people dont like copouts.  And whats the obsession with getting this thread deleted?  Feeling exposed?  Probably. 

 

No it is called defending through the use of experiences.   When induviduals such as yourself fail to look back at history and to recognize that man is capable of terrible things no matter what race, creed or religion they maybe - whether in the here and now or in the past - and "you" point fingers at one instead of all - then it is customary to point out that none is free of sin.   I am not religious - but someone was once quoted as saying 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone..' - I like to think this is a good thing for all to learn.   Some just seem to think of them as silly words.  I do not however.   Because they make a lot of since.

Please spare me the BS,  people always point fingers when they cant face the truth about themselves.  Sorry kid but it's not flying here.  I will repeat what you said: America was a good ideal...I asked for whom?  You then frantically began pointing fingers at other countries and their faults and history.  That's how it went down. 

The TOPIC was related to  america not the "evil that men do".  And dont throw biblical verses at me, considering your responses and posts,  that's close to blasphemy.