CoX is sadly plummeting into a garbage disposal pvp-wise (but PvE its okay- not a real world/MMO like EQ/WoW). It can be fun to PvE to bout 30 though. After 30 it turns into a long, repititive grind. What makes it way worse than the average MMO in late game is that the missions are all instanced. This means yoiu gonna be looking at the same, bland textures over and over. The leveling is really slow and they limit your power choices. All the new MMOs coming out will give you all of your powers.

Right now I'm messing around with Rappelz til Neverwinter Nights 2, Fury, Spellborn, and Conan releases. Rappelz is free 2 play. I'd highly recommend Rappelz or Guild Wars (good pvp) til a next gen MMO releases. Rappelz is a grind from what I can tell so far but at least they give rested bonus so you get rewarded greatly for not playing and quest rewards is pretty huge so far

CoX has a lot of potential but unfortunately the really messed up Villains. So pvp wise its dying. But PVE can still be fun in City of Heroes. So, if you go CoX go CoH. they are more powerful and lot less laggy than CoV

I might resubscribe when they release epic archetypes just to see what they did but I'm 100% positive they gonna do something retarded like they did with Dominators

Btw, I have a level 50 brute, 41 stalker, 34 scrapper, and some other 30ish toons. Have fun with CoH if you try it. I gave CoV bout an 8.0 in my review cause the role playing is top notch.

I cant wait for this MMO to release. An MMO that's not going to make me grind through the same old raid dungeons just so I can compete will always get my attention :P

Anyway found this vid of ingame footage from the game. It loks really good not sure how this guy got the footage. Looks really fun even though I have no idea whats happening. Even looks like there is some jumping in this game. something I missed a little from guild wars (I just like being able to jump even if just for show lol)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MreF40GDHvg

Yeah first I started off with WoW - left to play CoH. Came back to WoW. Then left again when CoV released

I was going to cancel my account but for some stupid reason I joined a new villain group right before my account canceled. So I figured I'd give the game nother shot you know? I got a 49 brute but still just lost the energy to play. Everyone is leaving the game for WoW or going back to heroes. If you check the PvP General forum there is actually a thread about major pvp guilds leaving CoH for WoW.

Personally I'm burned out on MMOs pretty much. I have realized they are just grind, grind, grind. Kinda just waiting for Fury since it looks like it has no grind. Might start backup on Guild Wars. Also, helping with Dark Messiah multiplayer beta which is shaping up into something.

Really just waiting for Neverwinter Nights 2

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Originally posted by vajuras

They could've at least balanced the LRSF right so that it would beenfit from a wide variety of ATs but they didnt.

ED is a joke. It makes no sense Stamina and Hasten can be 6 slot however there is no point going past 3 slots. I just dont see how thats good game design.

Dominators are worse designed Class I ever saw in any MMO/RPG. They are a low hit point AT with no defenses and low damage output. Yet, they are supposed to be in melee range. Lol, those little guys die left and right if they try to fight like how the Devs envisioned them. Its funny how they dont seem to synergize well on some teams. many times they will mess up fury generation with their holds, slows, etc. How is that supposed to help me build fury? I'd rather get Frostworks, Speedboost, and Increase Density and Fulcrum Shift and FF bubbles. At least my Controller benefited any team with his excellent buffs.His holds were good for locking down a dangerous mob. A Dominator, on a good team- his holds wont be needed much. Sometimnes its helpful but most any brute would much rather have a /thermal or /kin behind his back

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On these points, I agree.  For the Dominator, as an EQ chanter, I can't agree more.

But you should take some time back.  Even with all these flaws, it is still the LEAST BAD mmo out there.  These devs are gleefull noobs, they really do mistakes because they are TRYING stuff.  However, they learn...and they learn pretty FAST.  (Brilliant noobs, see this in a positive, yet teasing, way)

See, they didn't reproduce ANY mistake except for the nerfing mistakes, still theses nerfs where linked with their PvP love and it take time to make someone understand something when they love another aspect.  Yet, with I7 and announcements for I8 and I9, I believe that they learn that nerfing is bad.

It isn't perfect, far from there.  But it is the least bad.  These devs are not announcing more Hamidons raiding, more PvP enforcement, more unfriendly accolades that aren't intuitive, they are trying to LEARN and to understand.  I am willing to give them the credit of doubt and they have a deadline...BioWare is coming to the MMO town, so are HJs.  These are the deadlines they have to work against the clock, because if they didn't change my mind about their game by then, they have virtually no chances of keeping me...yet, they CAN improve, and they improve more in 3 years than Brad would in his lifetime, everytime I read about Vanguard I am displayed this...and Brad is not doing bad compare to other MMO makers, which is why I still bother to talk in the Vanguard forum, I still have hope for them...but Brad progress soooo slowly....

As to saying any PvPer can understand this game better than a "Care Bear", I disagree, this is a Care Bear game, despite all the devs wishes...so nobody but a Care Bear can understand it perfectly well.  There was a beauty in pre-I3 that isn't there anymore.  The game is improved and better on many aspects, yet, it lost much.

This team LEARN and they learn fast.  Unlike Blizzard who is happy to tell you that Plane of Powers is coming to WoW soon(tm).

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I gues I feel like this game was poorly designed because of all the flaws and nerfs. But i wasnt here in I3. I came in at I5. You no doubt know some of the mechanics better than me I'm sure

And like i said I didnt mean offense by calling you a 'carebear' i dont think you took offense thats just the term everyone uses for pve'ers. Not trying to demean anyone or get modded

You have good points.

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Originally posted by grinreaper

So you ground to 50 in a short time and are now burned out, what a shock...

Also, your PvP comments tell me you didnt play in RV.

Since you play a brute, I am not suprised you think Dom's suck...try it with a stalker sometime.

while a bit overstated, you have a point about  the RSF

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I play in RV alot on my EM/ELA Brute. I just joined a PvP VG on my server. I will try to hangon at least til Dark Messiah / BF2142 releases. edit- I'm not sure i did cancel my subscription. but I have like 5 days left in my current subscription. But i will bumpn this thread or maybe bump my review if I come back.

about pvp in RV:

First thing I do is load up on some Break Frees since a troller can immobilize me through Grounded. Then I grab a Heavy. He helps me pvp and earn xp/prestige while im there

I do well in PvP. I have beaten a lot of good folks. And I will lose to some good min/max FotM builds like Rad/Psi Defenders. I'm not upset bout this im fine with that.

RV is a fun zone at times. However, I feel PvP greatly suffers because of limtied respecs and not having the option to get all our powers by default from our sets. The debt incurred in pvp was a huge kiler. They say they will fix that. I dont mind myself ium trying to get debt badge. OR was 

edit- Well i planned on playing in RV every night once I hit 49. But i did play in RV a lot its the only zone I really like I jsutn wish it was more populated. I'm pissed at Cryptic because they letting the PvP die. Plus, they arent even buffing PvE like I'd like. For instance, the LRSF only needing 8 corrupoters thats so insane

Sometimes people hang around because they cant wait to see Grandville and the new story arcs. Was a huge letdown once I got there after all that hard work and grind (granted double xp weekend helped me a lot). At first some missions seemed cool. But then after awhile everything started to repeat all over again. Kidnap this guy, steal this object, rescue my spierlings, bomb this base so once again I'm staring at the longbow base grey textures again.

And brutes arent even needed on teams at end game LRSF. In the so called end game just 8 corrupters can blow through LRSF. At most, maybe they'll pickup a /stone brute thats the only required slot they need.

They could've at least balanced the LRSF right so that it would beenfit from a wide variety of ATs but they didnt.

ED is a joke. It makes no sense Stamina and Hasten can be 6 slot however there is no point going past 3 slots. I just dont see how thats good game design.

Dominators are worse designed Class I ever saw in any MMO/RPG. They are a low hit point AT with no defenses and low damage output. Yet, they are supposed to be in melee range. Lol, those little guys die left and right if they try to fight like how the Devs envisioned them. Its funny how they dont seem to synergize well on some teams. many times they will mess up fury generation with their holds, slows, etc. How is that supposed to help me build fury? I'd rather get Frostworks, Speedboost, and Increase Density and Fulcrum Shift and FF bubbles. At least my Controller benefited any team with his excellent buffs.His holds were good for locking down a dangerous mob. A Dominator, on a good team- his holds wont be needed much. Sometimnes its helpful but most any brute would much rather have a /thermal or /kin behind his back

Also I now recall I hung around because I looked forward to getting into RV to earn some XP once my brute hit 40. So I worked hard and grinded my butt off. You bet your little behinds I didnt get PL'ed. I grinded through all that craop just so I could hit 40 then earn some good xp in RV. But right before I got there they nerfed the xp just like I figured they would. So I figured why not keep marching on to 50 then give Cryptic my middle finger once I hit it.

Why do you think I'm so burned out? If I got PL'ed I'd probably love this game to death right? But I feel like I've already seen everything this game has to offer. But maybe Issue 8 will be cool with the wings and stuff.

In my opinion I feel I know this game inside out much better than any carebear (no offense). But you say you never PvP. Well I have PvP'ed hardocre + done PvE. I have done everything this game has to offer. The PvP just isnt tight like Battlefield 2. Instead of those hospitals and bases that instagib you they shoulda made it so you can capture spawn points. Have real pvp like DAOC, Battlefield, Battlefront. I'd just like to see the Devs put some effort into this game.

Why put on the back of your box you have pvp and totally drop the ball on it. All most folks wanted was decent Patron powers and a fun pvp zone like other MMOs/games have. It cant be too hard to code. Sure, I understand PvP was an addition. You dont have to nerf Mind Trollers Telekinesis, Broadsword/Regen scrappers runnign Focused Accuracy allowing them to destroy villains with much ease, stalkers, Energy Melee, High def bubbles no brute besides sueprstrength brutes can punch through. All i wanted was what this game advertised. Hero vs Villain with comparable Epic powers and fun PvP zones. I suppose RV is okay but the base running is still a huge problem.

LAstly, I tried my best to join teams and I prayed they had fun missions. You just dont have any idea. Unfortunately everyone just wants to grind on the same paper missions or keep repeating a mission they think yields good xp. The Devs should really just make leveling faster so folks wont grind so much.

I want to enjoy my character since he's bout 50 but I'm just so burned out. I canceled my subscription. Getting ready to say my goodbyes. Later guys, good luck with this MMO. I'm going to have more fun playing good games like half Life 2 and neverwinter nights diamond pack til Dark Messiah releases.

Yeah you gonna have fun in CoX until you realize what a huge time drain it is. Why not just wait for Age of Conan, dark Messiah, or Warhammer? Everyone I know playing that game is pretty much just waiting for a decent MMO to come out.

I actually decided to keep my subscription for the time being. Will probably bail as soon as Dark Messiah/NWN2 releases though.

Grimreaper I cant respond to all of your posts right now but ya WoW PvE was a lot more better because its not 99% instanced making it a true MMO. Many times while in the middle of a quest I could get help from nearby players. At any time I could be ganked or see someone I'd like to attack. This added a very nice element to it. In CoV, I'm looking at the same interior over and over. Its so repititive. Its all instanced. Better off playing Guild wars probably.

RV is a GHOST town. It's never 40vs40. EVER. WoW has 40 vs 40 pvp daily, 24/7.

WoW >>>>>>>>>>> CoV

WoW has millions more subscribers then CoV.

And how does CoV has an endgame? All u need is 8 corrupters to finish Recluse Victory. Only like 8 defenders is needed fer the hero end game raid. What kinda lame end game is that?

And what in the world is AA? CoV for sure wasn;t at E3. Guild Wars was but not CoV. Tabula Rasa was but not CoV. That new angel MMO was there but not CoX.

If you enjoy doing the same old content over and over yeah CoX is good. If you enjoy getting nerfed every patch CoX is your game too. I never praised power leveling it shouldnt be necessary. I never PL'ed a toon in WoW. It wasn't necessary. I didnt PL my main Brute toon. She worked through all boring 49 levels. She's seen all the boring content: same, same, same. I didnt PL my Scrapper. He's been on CoH since Sept 9, 05.  

5x5x5 = 125 classes isnt really the truth now is it? Most sets are copy/pasted around. Defenders and Controllers share the SAME sets. Same with Dominators, Stalkers, etc. Copy/paste power sets. Same, same, same. Plus, each set includes only like 10 powers and you do not get to try them all no thanks to their lame system in which you only get to choose 24 powers total. And since you must get travel and fitness pools at the minimum, there goes at least 5 powers wasted right there. They never improve any powers to bring it up to the level of its siblings. For instance, Claws Scrapper can't touch Broadsword Scrappers. WoW allows for way more combos with its unique Talent Tree system. Unlike CoX, they tried to do something original and revolutionary.

PvP in WoW kicks CoX all over the place. WoW has 40 vs 40 pvp warfare. And AWESOME rewards from the war zones. And they just allowed Server Transfers something CoX wont do for US servers.

At least WoW if I get tired of my Troll Shaman I can go startt over as a Night Elf and experience totally different content. And once I reach 60 I can always change my build around.

People try to hate on WoW but the fact is it has over 6 million customers for a reason. All these other MMOs are just garbage under Blizzard's feet.

It's a shame CoX had so much potential. Too bad Cryptic refuses to invest more people into this MMO. They are letting it die and basically are throttling all their man power into their new MMO. At E3, to prove my point, CoX was NO WHERE in sight. I went to the NCSoft booth and looked all over for it. Then I walk over to WoW Booth and their presence was HUGE.

Dont get me wrong this game can be fun because of the community is sooooo nice. I really feel bad for all my friends still playing CoX. They say WoW's end game is all consuming. It is. But at least if you join a good guild in WoW you will get the uber loot for sure. In CoX its a never ending cycle to level up a new toon. They aim wasnt to make a fun game, their aim is to create a long grind to keep ppl playing. I feel sorry for the powerlevelers too. Cause once they hit 50 probably not much to do. Recluse Victory is pretty vacant. I enjoy it at times but its still jsut a 'fight club' mostly. Not a real war like what I bought this game hoping for.

You going to be real sorry you left WoW for CoV. You have no idea how good you have there. I have a 60 in WoW. In CoV, I have a 49 brute, 41 stalker, 34 scrapper, etc. Cant believe I wasted all that time!

-CoV has ZERO end game. At least WoW has an end game.

-CoV has limited respecs (like only 3-4). Very easy to ruin your toon. Unlike WoW, you have to pick a primary/secondary set. It's the equivalent of creating a Fire Mage in WoW. Now just imagine you are locked into that tree- Fire Mage. If you want to change to Arcane Mage you have to reroll

-The Developers nerf something with each and every patch. It's very apparent this game was released in a very raw, unfinished state

-All missions are the same. Same bosses, same interior, same, same, same. WoW missions are 10x better than this crap

-PvP is super imbalanced. I can jump on my scrapper and it will take 5+ villains to kill me. Yes, that terrible. If you get someone down to low health, they can just use their travbel power to escape. Too many outs for newbs

-PvP: Hero versus Villain so far out of balance its not funny.

-Takes 10x longer to level in CoV unless you get lucky and find an SG to power level you. However, once you get to cap u will stop playing on that toon anyway

-Everytime people find a fast way to level the Devs will nerf it ASAP. Unlike WoW, they dont wont ppl leveling at a decent rate. I'm not lying. They make MAJOR game changes with each patch.

Avoid City Of Repitition at ALL costs! It sucks badly. I'm going back to WoW.

The review touches on some important points but what should be kept in mind at least World OF Warcraft has an end game. Been playing City of Villains for awhile now- no one has a reason to play their level 50 at all so what they do is make it take 5x longer than it does in WoW to level. WoW is the leading MMO for a reason and I find it ironic it's getting all the bad press it has been getting it.

It's still a good article though