arg...ok, guess i'll go sub in some other mmo for the meantime

Stop teasing me with all this good stuff, when is good estimate that this game will come out fully ready to play, not some beta event. 2 months? 3? 4?

Tell me, i'm bored with fallout3, oblivion, ai sp@ce, etc, etc.

Wait for Aion, in the meantime, if you don't mind cell shaded kind of graphics, you can fool around in Mabinogi I guess...there's lots of customizing you can do and you can re-do it wihout deleteing your character but its not free in that sense.

Does it matter? As long as those 'kind' of people play DF and stay there (you know who you are...), I'm happy if they don't come to Aion, I rather'd have Ragnarok 2, but I'll settle for Aion atm.  As for WAR, neutral to me, just another game, seems like a mature looking kind of WoW (yea, this game style came first and WoW copied, blah blah, i know).

Me and my HD 4870x2 is going to have some graphic orgy in Aion when its out.

This game is graphically orgasmic....I've been waiting for Aion along with Ragnarok 2 for years. I specifically bought an ati 4870x2 just so i can play Aion all decked out in a graphic orgy.

Have to agree with Ephimero, Vanguard graphics is ass. Particularly the models, everyone looks like "lifeless" souless monkies. I personally regret having bought and trying that game, I played it for 10 mins before I realized it was a world void of people and they move like ghosts...literally. They appear than disappear, then next thing you know they're on the other side of the screen, and no, its not some kind of skill that a class may have, its poor animation.

Koreans and Japanese MMOs have always been KING in graphics (with performance ratio, so don't tell me AoC), just accept it.

lolvanguard, the ugliness of the people sitll haunt me...

Of course that guy played it, all you have to do is click on the play icon on windows media player, or on youtube (or whatever media stream app you use)... As far as I'm aware of, DF is just a video that you click "play" to watch....ohohoho

Can't do anything with DF but watch screenshots and play movies right? lol

The only possible scams they done is on their investors, then moved to Greece under a new alias. They have yet to scam the players out of any money...that would only happen if they started some "pay-to-pre-play beta" or something like that....Which I bet half of the people following DF would do regardless anyway.

Yea...DF "looks" better because you can play screenshots instead of an actual existing game...right.