Originally posted by pharazonic

Originally posted by sgel

Originally posted by Cthulhu23

Originally posted by Filterheadz

dude if u like themepark games aka go kill x return and go kill more x then this game is for u!

Except that doesn't happen in this game.  But whatever.  

Hello?... of course it does!?

And it's made worse in light of these facts:

+ identical voice overs... so much more jarring and time consuming than text especially when you've been exposed to it multiple times or when you know it's going to climax in something banal like "kill 10 space rats"

+ hallway world

+ cardboard world - no day/night, no ambiance basically makes exploration super boring. In other MMOs, you can at least marvel at the world as you do your mundane "kill 10 boars" quests. 

To be honest, while in Beta I had my issues with the game.  Now?  I love it.  I really never noticed the day/night issue.  But then again, I honestly don't care about that.  I think the worlds themselves are beautiful.  Besides, most of the time you're inside buildings or ships for many quests.  Coruscant alone you're in an almost underground tech environment, which I loved.

Identical voice overs, yeah I find them, and to be honest I expect them.  There is only so much talent you can use especially when on a budget.  But regardless I'm still imersed.  

Hallway world, yeah, but to be honest, it pretty much works, and I like a more linear approach.  However, please note, not all planets are laid out like this.  Hoth for example is open world, and I cannot wait to explore it.

As for the Kill x quests, yeah they exist in this game, but you know what?  They are done so well you don't even know that you're doing them.  And that's what's flipping awesome.  When you take a boring mundane quest, and make me do it while not realizing it because I'm having so much freakin fun! :D

Originally posted by allegria

Originally posted by monoth

Originally posted by Otakun

Originally posted by russellb1975

Originally posted by Fendel84M

Originally posted by Kotatsu

Its not going to add or change anything in this industry. We're just along for the ride and then its on to the next attraction. It was decent but I didn't drop a bunch of money to build this nice rig and play a game that has the same old low grade look of older MMOs.

There is very little money in developing super high graphics MMOs. The average player does not have a $2000 computer. Hell, i'll bet many of them dont even have a clue what they do have.

I agree. If peeople are looking for a graphically intense MMO, then good luck.  If they made one, the only people that would be plaing is the people who spend thousands on making their computer run Skynet.  I think Blizzards success was to be able to play WoW on anything.  Heck, you could practically play WoW on a 486DX.

Korean MMOs look better and are meant to run on lower end computers. So, there is no excuse.

 

This statement is so false, go play Aion and try to raid and you have to turn down your graphics to Atari 2600 quality in order to get a decent frame rate...  All these ""realistic"" looking MMO's are power hungry and unless you have a high-end gaming rig your going to be playing with very low settings and even them most can't play...

 

 

BS.

Wow looks better than SWTOR

RIFT looks better than SWTOR

AOC looks better than SWTOR

I can go on, the thing just does not look good at all.. ( the have some issues right now that hopefully they will fix )

1. shadows are terribly blocky

2. High resolution textures are not even in the game atm.

Frame rates will be on par with the above examples ( in raids whatever ) and with nearly the same quality when they get things fixed. I just hope it is before main launch.

 

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I have to agree with Allegria.

I feel like Bioware took a huge step back with the game not only in graphics, but in game play as well.  I mean, combat you're doing the same skills over and over for every battle.  There's no real strategy.  Maybe there is higher up in level.  But it just gets too repetitive.  and that  was at level 30 for me in beta.  Maybe it's changed.  Graphics could be better.  Sure everyone doesn't have super rigs, but most of the computers out today can play graphics a little better than WoW by now.  I just feel Bioware put all their money into this game, and for what?  Voice acting?  I honestly don't care too much about voice acting.  I'd rather have a game with a good story and awesome gameplay.  Cosmetic stuff can come later.

Originally posted by alacres

Originally posted by jerlot65

Originally posted by alacres

Originally posted by Hituro

Originally posted by jerlot65

Originally posted by alacres

Originally posted by kakasaki

Originally posted by Ethian

TOR will catch on because most gamer nerds generally love star wars lol. Your right though, TOR won't change a thing for the genre. In fact its making it worse off then it already was...

Didn't save SWG now did it?

 

As for this...

 

 

 

You might have a valid point if SWG had been shut down due to lack of subscribers. That wasn't the reason at all.

Actually it was a lack of subscribers taht closed SWG.  If SWG was so popular they would have not shut it down.

Actually it was shut down because Lucas Arts didn't want to renew their license with Sony.  It was in an article a while back. Wish I could find it, I would post the link for you.  But it had nothing to do with subscribers.  And this is coming from someone who didn't like SWG

Exactly. Thank you.

You SWG guys kill me.  Sont chose not to renew the license.  They had that option.  Most licenses like that work this way.  If SWG had enough subs and or F2P customers then Sony would have renewed.  But they didn't.

http://www.techdigest.tv/2011/06/star_wars_galax.html

and

http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/24/exclusive-smedley-on-the-sunsetting-of-star-wars-galaxies/

 

So yeah, it's not nearly as black and white as you think. 

And for the record, I haven't been a "SWG guy" since before the NGE, so I hold no loyalties to the game - I'm just pointing out fallacies.

Ah you beat me to it, I was going to post some links :)  I too left SWG a long time ago and am in no way a fan of it.  But I won't ignore facts.  Truth is, Lucas Arts didn't want to have the Star Wars License under SOE and Bioware.  So they went for the company that was going to make them the most profit.  SOE didn't turn down the renewal.  Trust me, SOE is known for milking money from dead cash cows.  However, I will give them the credit that they and Lucas Arts smugly walked away from this.  No one tossed blame at anyone.  It was a clean break.  I just feel bad for the players who loved SWG.

Originally posted by jerlot65

Originally posted by alacres

Originally posted by kakasaki

Originally posted by Ethian

TOR will catch on because most gamer nerds generally love star wars lol. Your right though, TOR won't change a thing for the genre. In fact its making it worse off then it already was...

Didn't save SWG now did it?

 

As for this...

 

 

 

You might have a valid point if SWG had been shut down due to lack of subscribers. That wasn't the reason at all.

Actually it was a lack of subscribers taht closed SWG.  If SWG was so popular they would have not shut it down.

Actually it was shut down because Lucas Arts didn't want to renew their license with Sony.  It was in an article a while back. Wish I could find it, I would post the link for you.  But it had nothing to do with subscribers.  And this is coming from someone who didn't like SWG

Been playing FFXI on and off for several years.  Looking to get back into the game recently, but found my linkshell is no longer around.  Thought this would be a good time to seek out new friends to adventure with!  Any casual linkshells looking for members let me know.

Originally posted by Malickie

Originally posted by crescens87

Agreed. My fear is that all these new ideas will get mashed into a single game that everyone is copying in the future, because the real problem with MMOs right now is how similar they all are.

I hope at least that TOR (and the rest) is funny and entertaining in the long run.

And BTW, it is the Meridian 59 formula, it released 3 years before EQ and was basically the same game. I killed 10 rats already in early '96 ;).

And yes, it was a winning formula but the pronblem just is that 99% of all devs copy it, if I don't feel for that type of game my alternatives are Eve or some really coded indie game. I hope the MMO genre splitts up a bit so we get a larger selection of games.

The MMO genre is split up You just dont realize that games like Call of Duty and Minecraft are MMOs.

Frankly if you dont want to play go klll 10 rats and get rewards, with new graphics cooler armer and better looking skills then that sir is your choice.  Speaking as an EQ veteran and avid mmo player, its people who want to change everything about these games that will ultimately ruin MMORPGs for all of us.

The formula works its fun it has mass appeal get use to it or go play your bad indie BS game with the 300 other people who think like you

Couldn't agree with what's in yellow more. As it explains my stance on the matter perfectly.

I have to agree with this as well.  You have to look at it like MMORPG is a genre just like FPS and RPG is a genre on consoles and PC games.  FPS have a pretty similar formula to them, just like RPGS.  MMORPGs are going to have a similar formula to them because that's their genre.  It sounds like a lot of people who want change to new up and coming MMORPGs are pretty much wanting a whole new game genre.  Which isn't a bad thing.  But I just have to say, if you aren't happy with how MMORPGs are played, then maybe they aren't for you, and you need to try a different genre.  Me on the other hand, when I get bored with an MMORPG I just take a break from it and come back later when I want to play that genre again. :)

Originally posted by cappytoi

 

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Two evenings was enough for me to suspend my WoW account for now. I am enjoying the game play enough that I have decided to focus on RIFT for a while. The play is complex enough to keep me mentally engaged and with the huge variety of play available its hard to get bored.

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Play for 10 levels, push 4 buttons, then quit?

It's true, the combat in this game is just so bland.  You perform the same abilities over and over, build up combo points, and press the combo button.  Now I've only played a melee class, but the different abilities for attack look no different in animation style, it's just so bland and repetitive.  I'm sorry if I want something new out of an MMO when it comes to combat.  But the way rift has it set up, you might as well just be auto attacking.  It's very boring combat.  And who cares if it's the first 10 levels or the first 40.  Your combat system shouldn't take until level 40 to get "decent".  That's just retarded.

Ugh, I always loathe this man's articles, he just always makes assumptions out of things without real facts.  Everything he prattles is based upon hearsay.  But I just thought I'd read this since it pertained to the new Bioware/EA MMO.  So disregarding Scott and going back to the topic at hand, I love how people bash a game that isn't even out yet and claim it's going to be a horrible game simply because of how much money is being put into it.  Really people?  REALLY??  You haven't even played a demo or tested the dang thing yet and you're already saying how bad the game will be?

Does no one read what Bioware/EA were planning for this game when it was beginning development?  They don't want to make a MMO that's like todays MMOs where you simply just rack up levels and kill X mobs.  They want to focus on STORY.  And I applaud that.  Because all great games are based upon a great story and Bioware is freaking awesome when it comes to story telling.

As far as money and subscriptions go, I think Bioware knows what they are holding in the palm of their hand.  Does anyone even realize the number of Star Wars fans out there that have been waiting for a decent Star Wars MMO since the disappointment of SWG?

I mean, Scott claims that we need more developers that think outside the box to change the MMO industry, well..  isn't taking the MMO industry away from grinding and pointless quests and focusing more on story doing something different?  I'm sorry but MMOs suck today because they don't have good story telling.  Give the game a chance before judging it.  If EA wants to spend truck loads of money on a project because they want to put everything they've got into making a good game then who freaking cares, it's not like they're stealing money from you.  It's their damn money, let them do what they want with it.  I'm sorry but I've never really been disappointed with a game made by Bioware.  Maybe this one will flop, maybe it will finally show the world what a crappy game WoW is, maybe it won't.  But I'll wait and see for myself when I play the game to decide whether or not EA wasted millions of dollars than taking the word of some guy who works for cryptic studios that loves to make assumptions.   Because you know what happens when you "assume" things.... you make an ass out of you and... well... in this case you just make an ass out of you :P (possibly me too if this post offends anyone ;p)

Is it just me, or do most of the MMORPG.com columnists seem to whine a lot? :P

Been playing since beta, can't seem to find a decent LS after all these years.  I'm just looking to find people I can make awesome friends with and XP and Quest with.  My main char is Hituro, I'm a 63 Smn, just wanting to finally get to level 75 :P  But want to xp with friends and also do quests and missions.

I'm sorta in the same boat, except I'm level 64 ^^.  I can't seem to get anyone in my LS to do anything with me either.  So, if you want you can find me on game under Hituro :)  I usually am on late tho.  But it'd be great to adventure with some new friends, even if it's just to XP

Originally posted by Masa1

Originally posted by andrewclear

I'm gonna be polite, and just call you an idiot.  You can't compare FFXI with any other FF, because it's an MMO.  Idiot.  Seriously, all mmos are grindfest, no matter how the grind is being presented, they are all grindfest.  FFXI is different, in that it's a social grindfest, as opposed to the millions of quest based, single player grindfest (played one you played them all).

FFXIV WILL BE NOTHING LIKE SINGLE PLAYER FF GAMES.  FFXIV WILL BE LIKE FFXI.  You are probably one of the same morons that played WoW at launch and was complaining cause it wasn't like the RTS warcraft games.  Do some research on what an mmo is before you post next time.

As far as zone layout, no city is 10 zones.  And, the controls were desiegned for a controller.  Sure, it can take some time to get used to the keyboard, but it isn't that bad.  The macro system is the best in any mmo that I have played, and really makes the game easy to play.  But, I'm pretty sure you didn't get past killing two starter enemies outside the city.

You're the only idiot around here, thinking that you are the only one who's correct with your "perfect opinion".

No matter how much you blablabla about how "mmorpgs are supposed to be grindfests" that's just plain bullshit and you know it. That's just a norm created by first mmorpgs, you don't have to include that into mmorpgs. You're probably one of those "hardcore players" who feel better when the majority of players is below their level (also known as virtual *****).

Maybe I'm one of those those people hoping for mmorpg which doesn't ruin elements which are usually perfect in singleplayer games. I admit it. You on the other hand say that it's impossible. Just look at Guild Wars. It's very close such ideal game.

If they want to create **** like FFXI, I'm not going to even touch that game. If on the other hand they want to create something new, I'm willing to give it a chance. Hopefully they won't cater such ignorant people like you, who are just hoping for "Copy X game and improve it the way I want. Just remember not to touch things I like about game X or I will join the side of whiners."

Saying that game is "social" just proofs that playerbase is good. Not the game itself. I've seen plenty of games which encourage you to be in parties/guilds/... but they all failed at it.

I guess that you were one of those people who loved WoW and were always hoping for WOWRPG with FF elements. Seems that you got one ;) You should be happy, but here you are acting like an idiot.

Well I'm not going to go around calling people idiots for their own opinions, everyone is entitled to voice what they feel.  What I will say though is that there's a few things I agree with but also disagree with.

For starters about the comment about the grindfest in MMORPGs, well, there's even grindfests in single player MMORPGs.  I mean there has to have been a time in an RPG where you found yourself trying to level up or master a skill or abilitiy in order to defeat a certain boss you were having trouble with.  Not sure why an MMORPG shouldn't have something similar to this since, well..  an MMORPG is simply an RPG that's Massive, and Multiplayer, and well, Online.

As far as FFXI not catering to the old FF fan base, I have to disagree.  I've played FF 1 through 11.  Haven't tried 12 or the soon to be released 13 yet.  But in the older FFs the stories were based around crystals, and had various job classes.  A lot of the job classes in FFXI come straight from the older FF games.  And on top of that which game out there flawlessly incorporates subjobs?

FFXI is unique in it's own way, it stands out above a lot of mainstream MMOs.  It seems that today, companies think casual play, and spoon feeding is the way to go.  But I'm the type of player that likes a challenge.  I want the journey to take me a long time.  I don't like speeding through levels.  And I like to feel accomplished when I get a new armor or item from a really hard quest.

When it comes to FFXI, it's a love or hate relationship with people.  And if you hate it, fine, that's your opinion, and if you love it, the same rules apply.  I just don't see what sitting around bashing each other over who likes what accomplishes anything.  Truth is, FFXIV is most likely going to be similar to FFXI, but seems that it's going to be more casual in the respect that they will probably include more soloable content.  But about a grindfest, I'm sure there is going to be one, there usually is in all games, even non RPG games.  Heck even Mario is a grindfest.  Gotta get through all those levels to beat the game.

I know so many people have complained about the controls, and yes I can agree that keyboard and mouse with this game does feel awkward.  But you have to keep in mind, as stated before in an earlier post, that this game was designed to be played with a controller.  It first launched on the PS2, and then came out for the PC, and xbox360 respectively.

So to close, as far as it goes with single player elements, I can honestly say, they're there.  But just so you know, if you want to play a single player game, then play a single player game.  if you want to play a Massive MULTIPLAYER Online RPG, then play an MMORPG.  That's one thing I don't get about people sometimes, is they keep complaining that MMORPGs aren't like Single player games...  well... they aren't supposed to be like single player console/PC games... because they aren't single player, they're multiplayer, and the whole purpose of multiplayer is to play with other players.  Why that concept is so hard to grasp, I don't know.  But if you don't like something, no one is forcing you to play it.  So, go play something else?

I'd say E3 was bland in the sense of MMORPGs this year.  I was kind of surprised that Square-Enix was doing another FF Online.  I just kind of feel like now no one will want to play the old one and it will become completely forgotten.  I just put all that time into that game and now a new FF Online comes out!  But in a way I'm kind of happy because if they really do make it a lot more casual and not as party strict as FF11 was than great.  But I don't want it to be watered down hand holding.

As far as MMOs this year I'm really not looking at too much, a lot of stuff coming out is very over hyped.  And although I want to play ToR, I can't help but be cautious because a lot of games I thought were going to be golden, have been huge let downs.  MMOs need to break the mold already, I think we're all getting tired of the same game in a different box.

Other than that, E3 this year did have some nice console news, but a lot of it was games I already knew a lot about that are coming out soon.  But I'd say that the biggest things of E3 for me, were the 2 new mario games coming out, Castlevania, maybe the new metroid (kinda iffy on that one), and I dunno about the new Zelda game... just seems like Miyamoto is losing his mind in his aging, or he's just trying too hard to make something different.  The new full body sensor camera for the 360 was cool though.  It's a step towards the future of gaming.  I just can't wait for Ghostbusters next week XD

Originally posted by Qinshien

Originally posted by shamall

The only thing that made me stop playing ff11 was the group or die gameplay. To hear that they are also not using PlayOnline is a plus. It seems like this will be the final fantasy mmo I thought I was going to be playing when ff11 came out. About freaking time.

 

They didn't say they aren't using playonline...

Actually somewhere in the interview, I believe he mentions that they aren't going to use PlayOnline, they want to try something different.

I've been playing FF on and off for a long time now.  I recently took a break for a few months.  I came back and found that my Linkshell is no longer there.  I cannot seem to find any of the members either.  So now I'm on a bit of a quest to find my old LS.  All I'm asking is if anyone knows any information about what happened to the linkshell TheDrunkenMasters on the Lakshmi server.  It was run by a player known as LordBaku.  If anyone has any information, or knows if they switched servers it'd be greatly appreciated.

Originally posted by John.A.Zoid

What I find sad is these are ONLINE RPG's and if you want to solo then go and play a Single Player RPG. Games like Oblivion and Mass Effect do solo play ALOT better than mmorpgs do and they have meaningful stories. The strengths of an mmorpg should be playing with others and whats sad is these days it's not and people want to solo everything.......

Sad times.

 

The best times I ever had with mmorpgs were in groups playing with other people. Alot of people say "but you can't always find people to play with so you need solo content"...... well really isn't that a design flaw in certain mmorpgs that you can't alwyas find people to play with.

You know EQ2 I can never find people to play with because all the servers are barren. Yet the game is designed so that it can clone the same zone over and over again. So why don't they combine all them servers into one so people can find other people to play? It makes no sense having 20 barren servers when they can just have one really populated one.

Developers just don't get it.

I don't know if I agree about EQ2.. I play EQ2 and I run into people constantly no matter where I go. I've never had trouble finding a group. I mean heck I solo all the time and I always am asked to group. Another thing that helps is joining a guild. My guild has tons of people in it and someone is always looking for help with something. The socializing is there so I'm not sure why you call it barren :)

Some people just like to solo or RP as a lone wolf type player. I enjoy exploring on my own at my own pace. I like grouping too, but when I want to run around and explore something, others might not wish to explore the same things with me, so why should I bore them?

I do think you would like FInal Fantasy XI online. It is a very group intensive game if that's something you're looking for in an MMORPG. You might want to try it, it's another one of my favs :)
 

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Wow I love how the people complaining and saying the person who wrote the article doesn't know anything, when in fact they themselves totally missed the entire point of the article.  This guide IS NOT telling you that it's method is better at getting gil than farming.  It's simply stating "this is an alternative if you don't have a lot of time to sit around and farm".

It's a freaking opinion!?  So why do all the trolls come out to bash it simply because it's not how they do things.  If you don't like it then go and farm!  I think this is a nice guide to some small spending cash in the game.  So quit nit picking it and go find something better to do :P

To the editor, I liked your guide, and it actually informed me of a couple quests I did not know about and I just may use them for the future when I need to scrounge up some Gil :)  Thanks!

Is anyone else experiencing this or just me?  The game seems to run fine for me in all the other zones.  I have decent comp hardware.  All my specs in the game aren't maxed, but they're around high, and I keep shadows off.  Just wondering if anyone else was experiencing a lot of lag while in the new area due to it being a seemless zone :/

Just would be nice to run around it with it not being so dang choppified :P

I remember when this first came out.  I saw it in Sierra magazine and HAD to play it.  It sounded so cool, so unique, so out of this world fun!  I was about 13-14 when it came out and absolutely loved it.  Played it until a little after EQ came out.

Wow I feel so old now :( Anyone remember the box drops?  Or when Stephen reset everyone back to level 1 :P

Arven