There's a reason to pvp besides loot and if you played DAOC then you'd understand that. Period! Btw.. Every game you have to log into so it's all instanced........

I think some people will complain just to complain and for the whole argument about if this is open world pvp or not. Well.. Daoc wasn't all open pvp and WoW had open world pvp servers and guess how populated those servers were. I like having objectives and a reason to pvp at end game and the person that said Guild Wars 2 pvp is pointless.... Umm. I suggest you need you to stop playing games all together then. What are you looking for really???

The question should be. Did you buy the game? If that is a yes then...................... Umm.

Congrats to him... It doesn't bother me one bit. I am going to take my time and enjoy the game and if i concerned myself with other peoples actions then i might as well play Facebook. We'll all meet up at 50 sooner or later.....

Well most other games do  the same text quests over and over when you reroll so. I rather not see that option and i prefer the think before you pick a class option.

Originally posted by parrotpholk

I could accept everyones disagreement with being a panda but you can be a cow already so seems like a wash to me.  Everyone bitched that WOW was just more of the same and they do something different and people bitch.   Being an Asian themed panda is no more childish than being a native american cow.

lol...  That's true and a good point.

Originally posted by Slackerboy

Yes raiders have been whining from the first day that people could get Epics without raiding.

 

I can understand why, They spend their whole lives raiding to get some epic item, then one day anyone can get one without dedicating their whole lives to a game.

 

However as someone who has a full time job, I really do not feel for the raiders. I welcome them to go find another game while WoW continues to give me reasons to keep paying them every month.

 

Well.. I have a full time job as well but it's getting to a point where the casual player wants everything handed to them . It's a MMO not a single player game so I welcome the casual player to go find a single player game if they can't deal with putting time into a game. Anyways... As far as the currency change it's not a big deal to me.

I wish every game would copy WoW UI because it's good but it's just common sense not to try to copy to much. Why would I want to play a game that really doesn't offer anything more than Wow, I wish they would of added some of the features from Horizons.

Originally posted by bluebawles

 Darkfall has the best PVP in any MMORPG in existance.

 

Stop living in the past already, cant come to these boards without some nauseating nostalgia posts popping up.

What? If you think that's true that must be the only MMO you have ever played. I bet next you'll be telling me that the UI in Darkfall is the best also. HA! To to OP yeah UO had the best system and the most freedom but these days people want easy rewards without any danger that's why BG's are in games these days. I could hear it now if I killed someone looted the house key and looted the house... The crying would probably be insane and bluebawles would be on of them. Enjoy Darkfall though...

I haven't played the game since beta so this is a good time to see what's new.

He is exactly right and most of you been saying the same thing but when Blizzard says it then you have a problem. Please,Please... Stop the it copied this and that because EVERY! game copies something and the only reason you hate WoW because it's the thing to do... Why not hate on really crappy games.. Darkfall and everything else that came out in the last year.

Originally posted by luciusETRUR

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by MrcdesOwnr

"I know many people view WoW as the innovator in MMOs. I disagree here. WoW really did not do anything insanely creative with their game. They simply took the best ideas that were out there, packaged them better than anyone else and built a game that had a smooth play system. WoW was built on the backs of Ultima, EverQuest, and Dark Age of Camelot. All of the good ideas from these games were filtered and added into Warcraft from day one. "

Finally! Someone that doesn't have their head shoved so far up Blizzard's butt that they can actually see the light of day! I am so sick of hearing WoW did this and WoW did that. Finally someone else that agrees with me on this point.

Nice article although the whiny, over-dramatic WoW fanboys will find fault with it I'm sure.

 

And it is a NICE proof how silly mmorpg editors have become.

NOT talking about a revolutionary new cross server dungeon implementation in patch 3.3 but resorting to OLD HAT and very silly  arguments of WHO invented WHAT and at which time...of GAMES already dead .... YEARS ago.

The only thing lacking in the article is references to Mac Donalds and Britney Spears.

The article didn't even cite the MOST important introduced factor in WOW since the clustered BG's and ladder based PvP system: the cross server dungeons.

Welcome to mmorpg.com: the dead site about dead discussions.

Cross-Server Battlegrounds killed part of the community.
 

PvP Ladder... really? Arena? Are you kidding me? Yeah, that's so new.

Cross-Server Dungeons? Man, who cares about the community, anymore, you are right!

I love when people start arguing about a game that they can stop playing at anytime so if you are complaining and still playing... You are a FOOL!. I still play the game and yes they borrowed features from other games and improved on them but feel free to go play EQ,DAOC or even UO because we all know they didn't screw those up. HA..

It's called PvP and I'm so tired of hearing about ganking...... It's easy don't play on a PvP server and realize that I'm your enemy not your friend that's why it's called Alliance vs Horde. The only people that complain about being ganked are the people that get ganked before they can do it someone else. PERIOD!

Originally posted by googajoob7

Why should a casual player have similar gear to someone thats not . Whats gone is the investment in a character . Its only a game but its indicative of the I WANT IT NOW over I WANT TO WORK FOR IT mentality . The sort of thing that led to borrowing which led to the credit crunch which led to the global recession . If someone has time and is willing to put in the work they should have superior items , armor and weapons . This does nt happen in WOW anymore . Its why the game has lost its edge and is dull and boring these days . A Cataclysm needs to happen but not just to Warcraft but to Blizzards attitude to the game .Otherwise its just more of the same . A con job .

Exactly..... I'm so tired of hearing that people don't have the time to invest to get good items. Well.. I suggest playing a single player game or not playing at all because I work 12 hours a day and play for 2-4 a day and I still have time to enjoy what I can. The problem is that the casual complainer wants everything to be easy so they can be equal but that's no different than the guy working 4 hours wanting the same pay as me, does that sound right? NO!.

This is an old debate and we all know the outcome these days with MMOs let's make is easy because people are cry babies and don't want a challenge but in the meantime the casuals stay on the forums 24/7. I quit WoW a while back because the end game is pointless and after you have the best gear what's the point to keep playing? More gear? The new expansion is just a new carrot that has more levels to do and the blacksmithing is still pointless and pvp is for what? No goals.

No targeting, first-person view, character collision and hit boxes also means tactical manoeuvres and training in groups becomes very important. You cannot have archers or mages randomly sending in projectiles or AOE's into the midst of battle as they risk hitting their own. Furthermore it's possible to really use the environment by taking advantage of line-of sight, choke points, terrain height etc.

That sounds like Darkfall and that's where I see a problem... When a player stood in front of another player to get you flagged was a big problem or when hunting with a group and accidentally hitting a group member. I hope they pull it off but this has been tried this way and failed because of those issues but we'll see. I would of rather them made a 2d UO style of game honestly.

I swear play the game first before making comparisons to COH because it plays nothing like that. DAOC original? Sorry.. far from it. I think the game for you two would be Darkfall with all it's originality and it also plays like nothing else. HA!

I remember the days when you just rerolled and experienced the other side.... I can see that the "I don't have to time to play" crowd is getting what they want but in the meantime they live on the WoW forum 24/7. I predict that premade characters will be sold soon.

I have been playing since beta and the game has improved in some areas and some parts haven't but to anyone that says you can't enjoy the game before 80 is a fool.  That's the problem with players these days it's all about rushing to brag but if you take your time you would realize that the low bg's are fun and there are many dungeons to run and quests to do so TAKE YOUR TIME!. Oh... Also don't let the WoW haters make your decision for you because those are the same people that cry when a twink kills them or they jump on the "This game is going to kill WoW" Bandwagon and we all see how the great almighty Darkfall went.. So basically play any game taking your time and enjoy it and being a level 80 doesn't make you a experienced player or even a good WoW player. P.S. They are replaying the game if you haven't noticed, LOL!