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Man I can't wait

Originally posted by coma

Conan was never popular, scharzenegger did a conan movie which was good but it was in 1980. Its very old. Oh and I mean better licenses that arent taken so no Star wars or lotr

The ones I remember about are Dungeons and Dragons, Oceans twelve, Strar trek and WWE wrestling kind of thing, maybe UFC 

How the hell was EVE hard to learn?  Boring I will give you but hard to learn lol please.

People can bash WOW all they want but numbers don't lie.

Eve and other fanbois do though.

Only MMO that I would even consider "Hard" and I probably would not use that word was AO and that was due to the implant system and twinking.  Thats probably the only time I was in a MMO and got a headache from having to crunch numbers and what not to get my guys twinked out with extremly high level implants.

Originally posted by Mestovah

The game is coming along nicely. It's been in closed beta testing in Korea for quite some now. Most information concerning Webzen's games in development is really only centralized around their native territory
Also, I believe many of you are being much too critical. The game has plenty to offer, and all you've seen is a video or two depicting deathmatch action. Wait until the game is released (late 2008) for your definitive judgement.

The fact that they are really not trying to generate any attention other then in Korea (maybe) speaks volumes if you ask me.

What company doesn't want to make money expecially if they believe what they have is something special?  Either the game is a piece of crap (and they know it and are trying to fix it) and will not be due out untill 09 or the Developers and team behind this game are complete idiots.

Or maybe they are targetting this game for the South Korean population only.. Either way I want to play MMO's because they have a Massive population with people that I can relate to and interact with.  But if Huxley keeps going along the way it is, the only thing Massive about this game will be the Dept the company incurred trying to make it.

The idiots namely (Jack Emmert) just will never learn, we begged  and pleaded with them when COH was being developed to include some meaningfull PVP from the jump.. His repsonse? We just do not want PVP in this MMO or some crap like that.

A year later when their subs are dropping guess what?... they bring in PVP....

Now once agian History is repeting itself and Jack "Carebear" Emmert is making the same stupid choices he did in the past... If he thinks this game will survive without some type of legitimate PVP then he is just as crazy as he was back in 04.

Am I saying I want this to be a FFA gankfest PVP game? No, not at all.  But I am saying that in todays world of MMO's (not yesturdays world of EQ1) your PVP needs to be on par with your PVE... Well rounded games prosper, the rest just sputter and/or die.

Now im starting to see why Microsoft pulled the plug on this crap, they saw the writing on the wall.

Does anyone know if PVP will be like Anarchy Online in that you can only attack people in your level range?

I.E a level 40 cannot attack a lvl 25 and vice versa.

Originally posted by marmag

 

I agree in Epic term.

 

I allready prepayed for two years subscription.

Then you don't know Funcom, the game could be the best EVER the first 6 months but its THEIR expansions that will kill this game.

Knowing Funcom they will probably have a Space type expansion added to AOC within the first 1 1/2 year... Sorta like what they did to Anarchy Online when they added Shadowlands (EQ1.5) and ran most of their player base away which forced them to make the game free soon after.

Anyways in response to the OP, I think the game will be pretty decent, in the begging anyways.  But I would not use the term "Unreal" just yet.  From what I have seen the combat is rather, blah.. But everything else appears to be pretty damn good.

I hope your right about requiring skill though, im so sick of games that  go by what your wearing not what you can do.

Originally posted by greenstumps

Was watching a video of Planetside from around launch and just look at how many battles are going on from this printscreen of vthe video I done...

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/739/76587247dy0.jpg

I loved Planetside back then when sooo many people were playing and when I came back to try it you wee lucky to have one big battle a night on the EU server atleast, back then we had sooo many battles on that server.

What they needed to do to keep people is add a world you could care about instead of a genertic bore where noone ever wins anything and all the bases look the same. Theres no land marks or anything and it just becomes boring fighting over the same looking bases over the same looking terrain where the only difference is the colour. Their answer was the caverns and yeh that's great if they were cities on the ground but they wern't and feels like alot of effort to get down there lol.

F*** I miss those days... This is just another example of how freaking Devs loose their mind and bring in crap that is completly alien.. This game went downhill fast after that crappy expansion brought flails and caves in the mix, and from there it went downhill fast.

these Beta testers are going to ruin AOC?

Personally im pretty sure that most of AOC's beta testers have/had/are playing WOW, and im scared to death that they will provide feedback to the Devs that will try to influence them to make the game more like WOW.

I also get the feeling that the Devs are not trying to shy away from making their game like WOW. So when you mix the two fronts then that just spells disaster for people like me.

When they first produced that video that showed a Capture the flag game in AOC, it only succeded in elevating those fears.  I mean Capture the Flag in a Conan game? Are you serious!?..

Personally I wanted the game to be more like Anarchy Online, atleast as far as the PVP was concerned. Where world PVP was where it was at, but the more I hear about the game the more it sounds like it will be like WOW PVP (instance crap) to me. And I think that is due to the fact that you have alot of beta testers that came from WOW, and Devs that seem to think that WOW is the end all be all MMO and thats what people want, people don't seem to understand that Blizzard had a huge following and built in Player base before WOW.

Anyways I could be overreacting and serioulsy hope I am, but I just don't know....Beta testers can really make or break you game if they provided the correct or incorrect type of feedback.  And the more I here about this game the more I think the beta testers are breaking AOC.

BTW I know they are still playing on having World PVP, but they should be showing that off more... Not working on a stupid Capture the flag PVP instance.

Yeah its fake more then likely as others in that thread have pointed out, I should have looked at the picture alittle bit more. I guess my anger at the way shamans have been ignored in Arena pvp got the best of me, I just wanted this to be true and its obviously not.

The following is a screen shot of a guy talking to Kalgan (a Blizzard GM) who talks a good game about shamans and changes they need in PVP(just look at the forums) but thats just for show.  I have no idea if this screen shot is real or not, but I seems pretty real to me.

It was posted in this thread forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=DCB6396152B6387B4758AB77B99404B0 but im sure they will probably delete it soon.  If this is indeed real its nice to see these Blizzard guys are so professional...

There is, I forgot the link but I remember its a wiki page..  I'm at work right now or else I would find it for you.. But just do some digging around on yahoo or goggle, its a wiki page though im sure of that,

P.S  I think it has something to do with Battlegroups as well, meaning its broken down like that and then tells where each server is located.

Originally posted by TDU13

 

Originally posted by Tinybina

I tried asking this question in Avery's thread that he posted prior to him leaving for his trip. I don't know if he just forgot or just doesn't know or what.  So I will ask it agian to anyone that does have the information.

Will people be allowed to twink their lower level characters like they could/can do in Funcoms other MMO Anarchy Online and like you are able to do in WOW?  Its a simple question but for some reason people avoid it like the plague....

To me this is just one of those game breaking game mechanics that I personally would rather have left out.  And for the people that will whine and complain and say there is nothing wrong with equiping your character with the best gear at that level, your absolutly right.. But there is a problem with being able to equip gear/enchants/buffs that were not intended for that level...  

In Anarchy Online A level 19 character could twink him self up so good that he could have the NTU space to run around with about 5 or so level 200 buffs  which lasted a hour a peice.. I won't even get into what that did to pvp when you had a level 19 twink with level 200+ HealoverTimes, Damage shields, Strength buffs, etc running around... I actually was able to make a level 59 doctor  twink that could solo group instances (bosses and all) all by himself... For those of you that play WOW just think of a level 39 priest that could SOLO SM Cath....

Thats just 2 examples there are many more (exp in WOW) where it is now twink city in PVP.. Not to mention it ruins the games enconomy...Since it seems like every piece of grear that has a 7-9 as the last number is like triple or more the price that it used to be prior to everyone and there daddy making twinks.

sorry but i don't see anything wrong there... you did not say anything about a level 20 having a level 50 pet. all you said was you could get some nice buffs. you are talking about PvE.

 

"For those of you that play WOW just think of a level 39 priest that could SOLO SM Cath...." WoW

people don't do that. its stupid. they use their twinks for PvP. if someone was gonna solo SM CAth they would just ause thier main. not buff out and got all the enchants for thier 39 just so they could level to 40 and have them be no good.

i think someone brought this up about the economy before. but if you are buying these really nice items for you're level its plain stupid. since you are going to out grow them fairly shortly. they charge a lot for the twinks that will keep them forever. who cares if that nice blue for lvl 29 is 50G. you shouldn't care.

but you avoided my question in my last post didn't you.

 
"instaed throwing out the whole idea of twinking (i.e. giving xp for PvP) how about they just change it? wouldn't that be more suitable? AoC is almost completely different than AO was. this is going to be a top game people play. im not saying AO doesn't have a lot but they are putting a lot of money into this i think they took the feedback people we're giving them from AO and used some of it in this game to make it better."

hey why don't just put level caps on buffs like they did in WoW. ZOMG problem solved. don't even bash others reading comprehension skills. obviously im not the only who didn't understand what you were talking about. L2 write comprehensively so you can convey your point.

You completely missed the point... Why am I not suprised...

I bet big money you never touched a game like EVE or AO and came straight into the MMO scene via WOW.  Hell im willing to bet most of you in this thread never knew what a MMO was untill WOW came out.

Im done arguing with you people about this is not going to change a thing you have no idea what it is that im trying to point out and put a end to.  Like I said most of you will not be happy untill the game basicly can play itself while you fat turds sit back and watch.

For the record I love PVP, I mean really love it.  But I can't stand when developers give their customers "I win buttons".   But I guess im just a lone voice in a big crowd so I will be ignored, No biggie. I learned long ago to adapt and overcome, and if twinks are what Funcom wants to give us then im going to make the then so be it.  I guess the good thing about AOC is that its pretty much FFA for anyone that is not in your grp or guild. Well thats good  news for me might not be for alot of you, since im going to gank everthing that moves.

Originally posted by TDU13

 

Originally posted by Tinybina

 

Originally posted by TDU13

 

Originally posted by Death1942

i am sorry but i still dont see any place in this game for twinking pre 70.

 

i dont see any dungeons pre 40 and the game is solo til 20.

 

where the hell does twinking come into this game?

 

p.s i dont consider it twinking if its 1-20 levels below max level because u have already practically played the whole game again (aside from endgame).

im talking about PvP twinking where everyone has the best armor and enchants at a set level. for WoW it was mostly 19 and 29. then they would join up a BG and fight other twinks. its more a challenge and more practical than twinking out the level cap.

 

i guess tinybina is talking about PvE twinking. which in WoW isn't a factor. considering when you kill lthings you get XP which means leveling. which is against the PvP twinking idea.

either there is a huge misconception here or they are just an idiot.

 

No im not only talking about PVE twinking, I guess im just speaking another language here since it's obvious its not English to you folks.../sigh    No disrespect to you TDU13, this is to every twink lover in this thread in general.

Anyone who played Anarchy Online (FUNCOMS OTHER MMO) understands what I mean by twinking.. In that game (atleast when I played) there was no PVP gear or PVE gear.. If your character was strong agianst AI chances were it was strong agianst players.

Twinks that could SOLO INSTANCES were absolutly unstopable on the PVP field unless another twink was fighting them.  People who played WOW and never played AO have no idea what a real overpowerd twink is.  AO's twinks were ridiculous... When you see a lvl 19 crat running around with a lvl 50 PET you know something is wrong....

And to put that in WOW terms for you MMO nooblest, imagine a lvl 10  NE hunter running around with a lvl 50 Cat....Now put that same hunter into a Instance,  PVP battle ground , or World PVP.  Yeah thats all we need right? For people to be able to do that...  Well (and pay attention cause this is where I seem to be losing alot of you...) in ANARCHY ONLINE FUNCOMS OTHER TITLE, it was possible...

All im saying is that I hope to god they don't allow twinking agian cause when you think about it thats just plain wrong.  But going by the responses in this thread most of you would like to play on Easy mode, perhaps one day someone will open up a service that will let you pay them to push the buttons for you while you sit back and drink Kool-aid.

well now that you gave us some insight to what YOUR problem was we can accually make sense of what you are saying. Twinking is different in AO than it was in WoW. ok great. you shoiuld have stated WHY it was so bad to begin with. i guess game developers can't change ideas or what?  whats wrong with the twinks we are talking about? nothing....

 

instaed throwing out the whole idea of twinking (i.e. giving xp for PvP) how about they just change it? wouldn't that be more suitable? AoC is almost completely different than AO was. this is going to be a top game people play. im not saying AO doesn't have a lot but they are putting a lot of money into this i think they took the feedback people we're giving them from AO and used some of it in this game to make it better. obviously taking twinks out of the game is going to piss a lot of people off. i just don't see why they would take it out.

Your joking right? I mean I clearly stated in the first freaking post what the problem was, perhaps you should L2read better which in turn will help you understand better.

Maybe next time I should post in crayon so you victims of  America's Public School system will understand.

Originally posted by TDU13

 

Originally posted by Death1942

i am sorry but i still dont see any place in this game for twinking pre 70.

 

i dont see any dungeons pre 40 and the game is solo til 20.

 

where the hell does twinking come into this game?

 

p.s i dont consider it twinking if its 1-20 levels below max level because u have already practically played the whole game again (aside from endgame).

im talking about PvP twinking where everyone has the best armor and enchants at a set level. for WoW it was mostly 19 and 29. then they would join up a BG and fight other twinks. its more a challenge and more practical than twinking out the level cap.

 

i guess tinybina is talking about PvE twinking. which in WoW isn't a factor. considering when you kill lthings you get XP which means leveling. which is against the PvP twinking idea.

either there is a huge misconception here or they are just an idiot.

No im not only talking about PVE twinking, I guess im just speaking another language here since it's obvious its not English to you folks.../sigh    No disrespect to you TDU13, this is to every twink lover in this thread in general.

Anyone who played Anarchy Online (FUNCOMS OTHER MMO) understands what I mean by twinking.. In that game (atleast when I played) there was no PVP gear or PVE gear.. If your character was strong agianst AI chances were it was strong agianst players.

Twinks that could SOLO INSTANCES were absolutly unstopable on the PVP field unless another twink was fighting them.  People who played WOW and never played AO have no idea what a real overpowerd twink is.  AO's twinks were ridiculous... When you see a lvl 19 crat running around with a lvl 50 PET you know something is wrong....

And to put that in WOW terms for you MMO nooblest, imagine a lvl 10  NE hunter running around with a lvl 50 Cat....Now put that same hunter into a Instance,  PVP battle ground , or World PVP.  Yeah thats all we need right? For people to be able to do that...  Well (and pay attention cause this is where I seem to be losing alot of you...) in ANARCHY ONLINE FUNCOMS OTHER TITLE, it was possible...

All im saying is that I hope to god they don't allow twinking agian cause when you think about it thats just plain wrong.  But going by the responses in this thread most of you would like to play on Easy mode, perhaps one day someone will open up a service that will let you pay them to push the buttons for you while you sit back and drink Kool-aid.

Originally posted by Aryas

If someone creates a twink that can run a whole instance solo, I don;t really care as long as I'm not affected.

And how in the world are you not affected if those same people bring those SAME TWINKS THAT CAN SOLO INSTANCES into the PVP battles?...

If they can solo Elite bosses what in the hell do you think they will do to you and your friends?

OMG what in the **** is wrong with you people?

God I can't wait untill someone makes a game where you "easy mode" scrubs  cant twink your way into hiding the fact that you suck.  Then agian noone will probably play that game for the above reason.

Originally posted by altairzq

I know posting this here is asking for flames, but I really intend to buy the game and I'm honestly worried about this, so I'd like to be proved wrong.

BTW I asked the same question at the only-war general forum (with same nick, you can go and check) and in the end it wasn't clear that WAR ¬= Big WOW BG.

Specially because of the non existant death penalty that I'm afraid will contribute to a disorganized battle where everybody is dying, respawning, running to the front, dying, respawning... ad eternum and without a clue about what is going on.

Yup it sure is just like DAOC was, so please don't bother playing.

Originally posted by Death1942

...twink for what?

i dont see any PvP til lvl 70 or 80 (unless u feel like getting smashed)

What the hell are you talking about? 

And for all those of you WOW heads that think twinking is ok (even though I gave you examples of how overpowerd it is in Funcoms other MMO) well your just retarded...

Like I said you could twink character out so bad in Anarchy Online that they could SOLO SAME LEVEL INSTANCES.. SOLO MEANING THEY COULD RUN IT BY THEIR SELFS!...

So WOW kiddies let me put that in way you can understand.. Lets say you twink a lvl 20 Shaman, now lets say you twink this guy so well that he can walk into The Deadmines or Walling Caverns and SOLO THE WHOLE FREAKING INSTANCE BY HIS SELF...

Naw thats not complete BS, not at all..  But in Funcoms other MMO this was quite possible.  People use d to twink lvl  19 cratst hat could SOLO the Subway Instance (bosses and all).  Can't tell you how many 59 Docters that had The Temple of the Winds (lvl 60 and below instance) on farm. BOSSES AND ALL...

But watch none of you will understand or see WTH im talking about, hell most of you just want a game where they can just toggle auto attack up walk away from the screen (go wash dish's, gossip on the phone, etc).

Originally posted by Kruugar

Twinking is ok by me.  If someone can help another character out, why not?

What?

Originally posted by eugam

As i understood it, there wont be buffs. More like auras. It sounded a bit like EQ2 buffs and spells. You only can use very few spells and buffs outside group there. Nothing that makes a lowlevel uber. Either the buffs are groupwide only or AE. Or both of course.

But it is obvious that a rich highlevel can buy very good crafted or maybe looted items for his alt.  He will be better compared to someone who just started the game or refuses to twink.

This is sorta what I wanted to hear and so far it sounds pretty good.

I guess im in the minority when it comes what people think about twinking.  How people think that it does not do more harm then good is beyond me.. Expecially when I state facts that have happend in previous games to include FUNCOMS own MMO.  I guess some people really do not care about something like that, but oh well.

Maybe one day I will be able to play another PVP MMO where skill mattered and not the gear you TWINKED yourself into or the outside buffs.  I was fortunate to play one that was like that but sadly SOE ruined it, if AOC will not be that game perhaps WAR will they seem to understand so far from the info they have put out.