Originally posted by daelnor

If you're nerdy enough you can decipher some of the gibberish and actually "speak" in the other languages.  I think.  Then again, don't quote me on that.

A friend of mine did an experiment once to see if this were true. It is, to a point. What we found was that the words weren't so much translated as they were encoded in a really small one-way cypher.
 

For example:

lol = bur

123 = bur

ass = bur

It was a few years ago so these examples might not be exactly correct but the idea is sound: many different words or sylables translate into the same word or sylable. This means one cannot decypher the other language with any accuracy as you'd end up with too many "correct" combinations.

Originally posted by crunchyblack

i find it hard to believe that there isnt a guild for minors ina mmorpg, all games are full of em....

also, why not make your own guild, make it for 18 and under.

Call it Logan's Run.

It's funny cause when I showed Xynna to my wife the very first thing she said was "Umm.. you made her look like that blonde chick from Battlestar, right?"

This is my Dirge. I think she kinda looks like Starbuck from Battlestar Gallactica. What do you think?

Here's a picture of Katee Sackoff (Starbuck):

Originally posted by sinjin

Originally posted by PatchDay

new hacks popup all the time I'm looking at a bunch for WoW on youtube vids. there is no perfect method for detecting if packets being routed from client to server is being modified.

Not to sound like an instigator but I m very tehnical and  have some discrepancies to correct you on.  First there are several methods of detecting packet tampering.  You can buy hardware devices now that do his for you or you can setup a system with software (IDS).  If you change the information in the packet the size of the packet changes from the standard. Packets are broken down to a standard size and if that size changes there is packet tampering. I can build systems to sniff for these and drop them with no response to the originator.  Anywho, believe me the people with the skillset are not wasting their time hacking and selling WoW gold or accounts.  The  return is puny compared to what they would most likely be doing for a living.  There wouldn't even be  "a rush of the hack" feeling.

I spent almost 2 years hacking a well known MMO for nothing more than the rush of it. If you were a real computer guy you'd know why they did it. Not for any "return" other than just having something technical to figure out. A challenge, nothing more. Why do you think Linux exists? Anyway, simply checking the packet's size will do jack shit. If I randomly changed all the numbers in a packet using something stupid like ROT13, it would still be the same size.

Also no way to verify memory corruption. If software engineers could easily validate memory modification, then you would not have buffer overruns

Server side you should at least check for the velocity the player is moving at. I dont know why MMOs don't do this. Simply test the magnitude of the velocity. If it exceeds the threshold you got a speed hacker

If they are moving at the threshold or less then they are at least within acceptable range

 

MagnitudeSquared is a quick test and cheap CPU cost. Will bypass the performance loss for a square root calculation

Sounds like a lot of gibberish, I can however tell you in speedhacking packets flow at an accelerated rate.  This sets off red flags in most established security measure systems.  Very easy to detect imo, at the end of the day yes many games have hacks to some degree and there was no reason for the retaliator to try pick on WoW.  

Actually, bud, it's not gibberish and in fact, that's how WoW stopped them. You determine how fast a person should be going then you compare that to how fast they actually went. If there's a significant difference, you've got a speedhacker.

Also, you don't know what the Hell you're talking about. You don't speed up packets in speedhacking.  Seriously dude, what Geek Squad dumbass sold you that line of bullshit? You simply tell the server you're in a different location than you are! There are a lot of smart people on these boards, don't think you can bullshit them so easily.

Darkfall will have many hacks until they figure out what security measures they will use.  I bet dollars to donuts they have none at the moment. If they do it is probably some default standard out the box crap.

Hater much. 

 

 

Comments in red.

Also, Prow, what the fuck is your avatar? That's just disturbing. I can't stop looking at it.

Try Neverwinter Nights. I played it a long while back and I loved it. There's a great community too.

Originally posted by horrid

I like it!  Then the fights over purple loot will have complex math to back it up!   I would join to watch how quickly the drama would sink back down to other server levels.  My guess is about when the first purple loot drops for a PUG.  Welcome to western culture - where self fulfillment can be achieved (for a few seconds at least) by virtual purple loot!

 

 

Try human culture. All MMOs depend on their playerbase losing perspective. The largest (pre-WoW) MMOs are ones you've probably never heard of because they're only in Asia.

Originally posted by skeaser

Originally posted by Mackerni

Originally posted by Ichben

Hey gang,

What do you guys think of this idea?

Should Blizzard create special servers where people must take an IQ test to enter? The people with IQ's 130 and higher will be allowed to enter. So, what do you think, is my idea dumb, or not?

If you think my idea is stupid, please don't flame me too bad. I can take a happy ending but I can't stand a perfect storm...

Ichben Einberliner

edit: The person would not have to take the IQ test every time he or she wants to play the game. The IQ test would be taken, let's say, every 6 months.

If you are playing a MMO good chance you already have an IQ below 120.

If you asking this question about WoW players, there is a good chance you don't qualify for the servers you ask for.

 

What exactly are you basing this little tidbit on?

A little thing called hyperbole.

Get this shit. Last time I took an "official" test (1994?) it said I had an IQ of 145. I dropped out of High School in 9th because after I had gotten held back in 8th and then 9th the second time, I had no interest in being the only asshole at graduation of legal age to both smoke and drink. After I dropped out, however, I realized I was actually gifted with computers. Long story short, 10 years later, I'm a lead software developer for a Massachusetts billing software company. All of my peers have (atleast) Masters degrees in CompSci. Two of them came out of MIT. Me? Nadda. I did like a day of college (seriously). Can I hold my own in a technical conversation? Damn tootin. Do they respect my ability? I'm usually the guy they come to when they can't figure shit out themselves and Google gives them a single-finger salute.

I'm a lazy bastard from the word go. I failed miserably in school because I cared more about my friendships and chicks and drugs than I did about doing my homework. At age 5 did I summarily usher in the new age of American Poetry by writing a sonnet even the Great Bard would cream his pants over? Nope. I was busy making mud pies and killing grasshoppers just like all you guys. Am I a genius? Yes and I can hold a decent conversation to boot. See.. average people just love to think genius comes with its shortcomings. Like being smart somehow makes you socially inept or inable to do your own taxes or tie your shoes. Its like they need genius to cause rainman syndrome because if it doesn't, somehow, there isn't justice.

I say: fuck justice and fuck you because I'm the life of the Goddamn party and I'm successful enough to wreck both my cars ten times and STILL be able to get season tickets to the Red Sox.

So... um.. yeah, I'll join your server.

Originally posted by beaverz

Why the hell did you join a group of total strangers? Just leave the base corp.

You dont walk around compton talking to everygroup of crackheads?

The starter corps arnt meant to be used after you have half a clue about the game.

Of course its full of noobs and retards, kauz the rest of the pop joins real corps.

Do you see people running around saying new york sucks because that strip joint 2 miles from the city was full of perverts?

No

If you stay where the retards are chances are you will most likely meet retards, then again if you dont understand something that simple you are prolly not much brighter than these guys.

You were doing great and I was following you until you decided to be an ass. I didn't "group" up with them, buddy, I was plopped in there like all the other Gallente slobs. I didn't have anything to offer a corp so I didn't bother looking for a corp. I had 56,000 skill points, bucko, not fucking 10 hundred fucking million. Most of the "reputable" corps require people with more skill points so slack-jawed noobs like myself are fucking relegated to the dregs of Goddamn society!

No censoring this time.

Originally posted by elderotter

Originally posted by kedoremos

<snipped myself>

 

Dude that isn't EV E, that's pretty much any MMO I've played.  In LOTRO I turned off all but the guild chat because of that very thing. Endless, mindless chatter about things not even remotely to do with the game.  Like for instance in one 10 minute segment about a car show going on in a city where 3 of the chatters lived.  MMO's attract people who are not interested in the game but in proving how cool they are by mastering any particular game.

  I play for the entertainment value not the maturity level of the other players.  If the maturity level or lack thereof bothered me I would not play MMO's.

Thanks for staying constructive.

I guess I'm more amazed at the quickness of which people will pounce on those with differing opinions. I expected a reaction but not that strong and petulent a reaction.

I've seen this VERY same attitude all my life in the following:

In 1996 when I used to chat about computer shit on Lycos.

In 1998-99 in Ultima Online

In 2004+ in WoW, but only in certain channels like trade and when LFG was open to everyone.

Originally posted by Venomzer0

That's some serious butthurt, you couldn't possibly expect better from the EVE equivalent of  barrens chat.

You should have joined a mature corp, or made one with your friends (if you have no friends, you may want to fix that before whining about people)

Tthough judging from your self important attitude you probably got denied entry to any organisations of note.

 

tl;dr nub corps are full of nubs, in other news water is wet and EC is camped.

 

(edit: love the censoring though :))

You were doing good up until what I highlighted.

The whole concept of "self importance" is foreign to me.

Seriously, everything anyone ever does is done simply because they need something from someone else. There is no altruism. Ask a psyc or philo major, they'll tell you the same thing. In other words: of course I'm self important - I'm the only one who is me! If you try and say you're not important to yourself then you're fooling yourself or trying to fool everyone else into thinking you're somehow a better animal than the rest of the herd.

After my 4th incarnation, I guess I'm finally done with EVE.

I think my personality just doesn't jive with EVE, or something. See, I'm a leader, not a follower. I'm the kind of guy who ends up winning, this is true. I'm not the guy who needs people to approve of his actions.

I think EVE's majority is sheep and lemmings. I'm not trolling in the least. I'm being 100% honest based on my experience with the game's community.

See, I tried joining a corp (a few times) and being myself. I get annoyed when people start going on and on and on about mindless drivvel like cookies and pie and fucking hot tubs and whatever other crap they can think up so I say something then WHOOSH every last, mother fucking one of them pile drives me into the fucking virtual concrete like they were waiting, poised, ready for anyone to object to their constant platitudes.

This just happened. Why I'm so pissed right now is simple: I rolled a new character (Lucian Corrino) and was, by default, a member of CAS (le nub corp). I should have remembered the pack mentality these 'tards present. Holy Lord God they're like fucking bees! Like fucking flies on a dead dog, I swear.

They were in the middle of a flirting session, I guess, going on about how they're going to celebrate one another's birthday in EVE with a contracted present or something. It was getting pretty sappy, you know, over the top bullshit. You know what I mean, they're just going on about nothing - all platitudes, no substance. Wasting their fucking lives talking about crap that doesn't matter even to them. They're only fucking going on about it because they NEED to be loved, they need to feel included in the crowd.

So what do I do? Well, of course, I've gotta say something. I said "You guys realize the chances of her being a girl are pretty slim, right?".

Not 1 but 10 of them told me to "drown myself". That's pretty fucking awesome, by the way. How's that awesome, Ked, you ask. I'll tell ya, It's Goddamn awesome that a complete Goddamn stranger can make an honest (and realistic) observation and get told to drown himself.

Bunch 'a fucking followers. Not ONE of them said anything of substance as a response to my statement. Not ONE of them could deviate from the pack's line, so to speak.

Maybe I'm just anti-social but I've pretty much had it with EVE. You guys just aren't my type.

P.S. You can't have my stuff.

P.P.S. I get it already, you think I'm lame for saying I'm going to quit. Don't bother, you'll sound like a tool.

 Edit: I kinda censored it. Kinda.

Originally posted by dave6660

I've only been playing Eve for about 6 weeks now so if I'm missing the bigger picture please let me know.

Does a corp want to make sure a player has experience?  Technically you can accumulate a vast number of SP without ever undocking. You could also have bought the account off EBay.

Does a corp only want pilots who can fly t2 ships?  I've repeatedly heard and seen first hand that even a t1 frigate can be useful in fleet battles.

Do the members not want to teach new pilots?  This is a possibility but still a weak reason.  Eve maybe a complex game relative to other MMORPG's but still fairly easy compared to other skills we learn in life.

The only other reason I can think of is to make the corp sound "elite" in the recruitment channel.

Before anyone says that I'm bitter because I could not get into a corp because of these restrictions, that is not at all the case.  I respect people's wishes on their recruiting guide lines since it is their corp and they can do what they want with it.  I'm just curious about the rationale behind thier decision.

Why does a real company only hire people with experience?

You have to realize that corps are not charities. They hire you (in RL and EVE) for what you can do for them. Not the other way around.

I map mode switch to Esc. Sprint to Right Mouse. AutoRun to Mouse 4 (thumb). Crouch to Mouse 5 (other thumb button). Works like a dream.

You just have to remember that you only need to press R or F once to have them do their action. There might be some interface lag sometimes, I've found.

Crikey. I was going to post a link to the most epic Forumfall troll thread ever made. But the thread got deleted right after I posted it here. I guess the poll/joke is lost on you slubs.

Sorry. Trust me, it was funny as Hell and very very very painful.

Don't forget, people, we BEGGED for a skill based system where assholes who macro their ways to the top.

What's that? What's that I hear?!

Oh right. It's the sound of World of fucking Warcraft saying "Well, we don't have bots. We took a hardline against them, unlike SOME people."

Originally posted by Kaiphas

I understand why people dislike macroing inherently. However, I have some very logical reasons for promoting macroing. The philosophical reason being that any task so simple to perform is unworth of human attention (which is why we have spreadsheets, etc). Also, I am philosophically against pointless, unchallenging repetition in video games.

Why I dislike 'unchallenging' repitition:

• Waste of time (why we have spreadsheets and calculators IRL)
• Does not measure player 'skill'
• Does not require thinking to perform
• There are inherent design flaws if a series of instructions can be repeated to win a game

 

How macroing can help MMORPGs:

• Repetitive tasks are performed by a program, so players will not purchase gold from gold farmers
• Players can reach the breakpoint required to achieve a certain ability, allowing them to compete with other players, as they originally intended.
• Outsources the monotony of the grind, so the player can enjoy the parts of the game they want to play
• Discourages pointless game design (remember clicking the rock 1,000,000 times in runescape?)
• Allows players to focus on the complex tasks of the game, such as fighting, trade management, and exploration.

 

How macroing can hurt:

• Allows players who macro a competitive advantage over non-macroers
• In very poorly designed pvp scenarios, can give players tactical advantages (eg, the hunter bots that were winning arena rounds in WoW by targetting the same units
  
  
  
   

The solution? Simply remove any game mechanics that can be macroed. They are inherently pointless. There are many ways to make tradeskills interesting without requiring repetition, such as the old SWG 'farms' and 'energy' collectors which required players to view maps, note trends, explore, and optimize their machinery in order to succeed. Resources can be 'mined' by capturing control points in combat, rather than by clicking on a rock 1,000,000 times.

 

 

<snipped my reply>

You're actually making a good point here. Sorry for my initial reaction.

Originally posted by tcosaddict

By macroing they meant setting up key bindings to perform the action for you.  They said they frown on unattended macroing, aka, having a program do that for you with you not even sitting at your computer.  There's nothing wrong with setting up a key to perform the tasks of a series of keys, if you're there.  It just takes away some of the tedium of leveling your skills.  What they said was that macroing under the protection of the guard towers - preventing players from killing you - will result in a kick, and if caught again, potentially a ban.  With the limited resources they have, I'd say that's about the best they can do for the time being.

Yeah I don't think so.

The word macro has been around longer than MMOs and I doubt anyone who works for Adventurine is going to attempt to redefine it.

Macro = Cheating.

Originally posted by Pumpkinhero

People needs to stop crying over macroing.

 

I'm not saying I'm pro macro, but the thing is, it is there. And it is there for everyone, therefore it means that every can use them, and actually should.

 

Maxing Run / Rest / Swim isn't going to be an issue for everyone, so no one will actually be above someone else. It only means that leveling those up in normal ways aren't going to apply (as they should be IMO) but everyone will max them out with macro.

 

This topic doesn't need to be discussed and re-discussed every day, maybe you think you are a special kid for bring it up, but you aren't. Stop crying over something that you have no control over and that is obviously not going to change at this point and start macroing.

Right. This is the same excuse 1st world companies use when they ship good jobs to 3rd world countries: "Because our competition does it, we have to."

Just because the person next to you is doing something completely wrong doesn't make it right for your to do it.

Macroing is cheating. Whatever happened to earning your stripes?

Originally posted by xpiher

Anyone who didn't know that macroing would be a problem is naive. That said, they didn't give a person a free pace to marco out side of towns. They just said that it comes with inherent dangers of players killing them easily.

They said they 'frown' on people macroing their skills outside the safety of towns. Frown? FROWN?

FROWN?!

They should take a hard line against botting and macroing. If they don't they are going to totally screw their game.