LA say jump SoE jump.. not much ya can do when somebody can force your hand and call the shots for ya... unfortunately LA is as much to blame as SoE in this case. it was a big screwup alliance that distroyed SWG.

it all started with CU and 'em changin' it the last moment.. then came NGE and it really change the game like 90%

both CU and NGE were backwords to what the game needed... players quit the most after NGE though. CU wasn't half as evil as NGE turned out to be.

alas there's not much we can do to brin' our beloved game back... it was stated many a time by SoE that there's gonna be no pre-CU servers.....

Originally posted by Violette
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Can someone please explain why things started to go downhill?

QFE

Originally posted by Dvol

...Look SWG needed polish and content and left the hell alone..

to the OP

my thoughts exaclty!

I think ya nailed it buddy...

this is how I delt with the stupid/weak temptations to come back to this POS they call NGE.. deleted all my 'toons and quit all my accounts!

the only thin' that will ever brin' me back to SWG ever again is pre-CU servers.. and that means have to start from scratch anyway.. not that it will ever happen so there!

SWG =

the things were best right after release of JTL and by that I mean we finally got everythin' devs promised us SWG will have.. space, player cities, mounts, vehicles etc..

then CU came.. but not the original one. ppl were leavin' in droves and WoW didn't make things better. instead of focusin' on bugs and addin' content SoE panniced and slapped NGE together in attempt  to recover its player base. that's when things got really ugly and majority of vets quit or closed most of their accounts....

all they had to do is wait for WoW novelty to wear off and ppl come back to SWG.. alas, CU and NGE ruined the game and suddenly there was nowhere to come back to....

I myself had to take a several short breaks from SWG before CU.. but NGE made me quit for good >8<(

Originally posted by Ravanos

Originally posted by Elikal

SWG was NEVER perfect.

heres what most castaways will say Pre-NGE was not perfect ... but it was still better than the P-O-S we have now.

no it should read:

heres what most castaways will say Pre-NGE was not perfect ... but it was still FAR better than the P-O-S we have now

maybe it's too expensive to support 2 different versions of the game? they will alienate the existin' servers even more... eventually everybody will be playin'  the "classic" servers and the NGE will have to be converted back to whatever the classic turned out to be...

that's why this will never happen....

Originally posted by LizardPariah
Too bad JumpGate's graphics are really bad.  DarkSpace is more appealing, and Infinity: The Quest for Earth is where the interest is at.  (It's in MMORPG's list FYI).

Besides it's good but not good enough for P2P.

I don't think it's fair to compare DS to JG since they are so different... unllike JG DS is all 'bout combat... Infinity isn't out for another year or two.. if ever.

and speakin' of graphics.. while outdated they do allow more ppl to play since that also means the CPU specs are much less demandin' and it's space so what graphics do ya need? it's just stars out there.. everythin' is like a speck of light because of the distances and ya don't get to see things up close and personal all that often

Sony used to be reputable before SWG.. in other words it can happen to anybody under certain circumstances we may not all know 'bout.. whatever made SWG devs go CU/NGE(aka Now Game Ends)  route is a moot point now...

I just wish they opened up a pre-CU server or 2 and just concentrated on addin' content, bug fixes and minor balancin'.. nothin' too drastic like CU/NGE.. probly will never happen though :/

I really hope they will have some kinda player driven economy. I'm not into combat much myself.. maybe if it's some evil alien race presence that adds a danger factor to everybody..  I like miniin'/gatherin' and craftin' myself.. if anybody played JumpGate it's a very old space sim online game with lotsa content but kinda outdated as far as graphics and gameplay goes.. though it wasn't when it just came out in 2000.

anyway, I gave Infinity 9 at hypermeter 8)

anybody remember Earth and Beyound Online? I still have the beta Tee in my closet :P

anyway, as much as it was cool to be able to have an avatar and walk inside spacestations that didn't make the game any more appealin' to the mass it seems.. even after considerin' the fact that it was released well before EvE... E&B only lasted mere 2 years before servers were closed down :/

IMO, a ship avatar is more then good enough given the scale of Infinity..

actually think of yourselve as a ship avatar(AI) with a sential articficial brain... ya can explore so much more as a ship than by just walkin' 'round heheh

Originally posted by b0rderline99

i like everything about this game, except, that you dont have an avatar

what is the fun of having billions of living and breathing planets if you cant get out of your ship and go explor them..

Originally posted by maxxm
The only problem i see with a skill based mmorpg, is that there would be some combo of moves or w/e they make in the game that would dominate. The forums would be spammed with this being the best way to play your class, then it becomes a game based on which class you chose and not really skill-based. But a skill based game is a great concept if you can defeat that one problem.

not everybody is gonna use the same template especially if ya consider not everybody will be combatant or pvper.. some ppl enjoy pve and others are crafters only.... even if there's a "best" template for a certain class it's not gonna be 100% and still require human factor/skills to work...