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Cool news.  I really liked the event surrounding the addition of the last 2 classes.  Tier 1 scenarios and RVR gets more active as well. 

Now i'm not slamming T1, its just that you spend a shorter amount of time there..  I've seen no let down in T2 and T3. 

I 2nd Iron Rock.  its really good for a core server.

Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by GungaDin
Originally posted by Yamota

Ok I really dont get the complaint. What specifically is boring in the game? It allows you to PvP instead of grinding mob to level and the end game is to raid the opposing sides keep and it is actually quicker to level through PvP Scenarios. That in itself is revolutionary.

An endgame that I agree there are many shortcomings in but Im having a blast leveling my character through scenarios. And PQ? All you do that for is to get some gear so you can be more effective in PvP. It could be made more interesting by being more dynamic but quests in MMORPGs are unfourtanetely very static and has no impact on the world.

Also O-RvR and endgame needs alot of work, that I agree with, but it being boring? I rather play a scenario than grind moronic AI mobs in LOTR, anytime.

I agree, I have no clue what these guys want.   Its a PVP based game.  What do u consider endgame?  Everyone dies and Warhammer Online no longer exists?  Endgame for me is when I go to bed.  Then the next day i'm back in the action.  


Actually this is a point we disagree on. We agree that the game is fun but I think the end game should be about the war. And war is about controlling resources and defeating your enemy, sometimes final. But since this is an MMORPG then defeat cannot be final. However when you control a zone it should be much more rewarding for the winner and much more penalizing for the loser. If it was then the winner would care to defend it and the loser would fight, hard, to regain it.

Only then will you get a sense of a war going on because controlling zones is VITAL. Right now zones are flipped back and forth, sometimes several times in an hour. Im sorry but that is not a war, thats a volleyball game, and hence why most people find this games end game boring and pointless.

In WAR there is no victory, only flipping zones back and forth, with the possible reward to raid the opponents city. Then it will reset, not because the other side shaves up and take it back but rather because there is little point in holding it and the mechanics as such makes it very dificult to do so. Shouldnt be that way.

If you raid the opponents city then it should first be VERY rewarding, both to take over and to keep control, and taking it back should be because the losing sides PvP effort. Not because game mechanics making it virtually impossible to hold it for a longer while. Again, that is a sports game and not a war...

 

I just dont think u grasp how difficult it is to make  a PVP game vs PVE.  Sure the endgame needs help, every MMO i've ever played needed better endgame.  However, making great endgame is difficult enough, now your trying to do it in a PVP sense.  Even harder.  Just need to give the developers time to figure that out. If they don't, oh well.  I'm still gonna play.  

If I win a 1 v1 or we take a keep with destro defending., thats reward enough for me.  Guess thats where we differ. 

The thing is, I am not grinding anything.  Why would I in tier 4.  RvR is fun, even at the bottom of tier four.  The gear just comes along as a happy side effect to doing RvR.   All my toons are perpetually capped on renown, and the ones below tier 4 are capped on area influence.  It doesn't make me want to do RvR any less.  I'm really not in a hurry to level, and I am not playing the game to attain the carrot at the end of the stick... I'm playing because it's fun. 

Sure, I hope they can fix the stability issues in fortress raids, and I am not crazy about their current approach to it... but it doesn't affect my enjoyment of the game right now.  As long as people are doing RvR in tier 4, I'll be happy.  If fortress sieges crash, I'll stay away from them until it's fixed.  As long as I enjoy the other 39 levels, I should be able to keep myself entertained.  RvR for RvRs sake is enough for me. 

It's like someone posted in this thread comparing WAR to an FPS.  I enjoy being able to log in and immediately get in to the action.  I run around with a group killing and being killed by Destro for a few hours and if I pick up a rank or some good gear, even better.  If I don't, then it's fine because I still had fun, and that is why I play video games in the first place.

I'm not trying to discount the issues you guys have with "end game".  I'm just saying problems at 1/40th of the levels aren't going to ruin the game for me.  I'd like to see compelling reasons to participate in RvR added just as much as the next guy.  But that's because I enjoy it so much, I wish more people were involved.

As far as turning off XP.  I think there is a lot less ability to twink in this game than in others.  It's not like it's AO or DAoC.  Everyone at the top of each tier in RvR has roughly the same gear, and access to the same buffs.  I do think each tier would be full of people at the max level, and that would be frustrating for the lower level guys... but I always see the first 4 or 5 levels of a tier as the game telling me to go do some PvE for a bit.

 

Well said, my thoughts exactly.  I play the game the same way u do.

Originally posted by Yamota

Ok I really dont get the complaint. What specifically is boring in the game? It allows you to PvP instead of grinding mob to level and the end game is to raid the opposing sides keep and it is actually quicker to level through PvP Scenarios. That in itself is revolutionary.

An endgame that I agree there are many shortcomings in but Im having a blast leveling my character through scenarios. And PQ? All you do that for is to get some gear so you can be more effective in PvP. It could be made more interesting by being more dynamic but quests in MMORPGs are unfourtanetely very static and has no impact on the world.

Also O-RvR and endgame needs alot of work, that I agree with, but it being boring? I rather play a scenario than grind moronic AI mobs in LOTR, anytime.

I agree, I have no clue what these guys want.   Its a PVP based game.  What do u consider endgame?  Everyone dies and Warhammer Online no longer exists?  Endgame for me is when I go to bed.  Then the next day i'm back in the action.  

I have about 8 different chracters and just ORVR or do scenarios.  Its awesome and my highest ranked toon is only 28 !.   I don't even care, I just have fun leveling toons at any tier.  Plus there is no grind !!! Its so casual and enjoyable to play, I can't even consider going back to LOTRO or WOW clone. 

Quests, kill 100 of this , deliver this bread, fix 7 pick axes for dwarves ??  LOL, you can have it.  The days of static MMO"s are dead to me.  I'm sick of AI and a boring raid boss I can kill by looking up the strat somewhere or figure it out in a week.  Look at endgame in LOTRO now, all my old kinmates are doing is killing the Watcher over and over for get everyone equipped in the hopes Turbine releases a new 24 man raid someday. LOL, what a joike.  

In PVP, you have no idea how many destro are out there, whether there is someone following u, hiding behind a bush or pelting u from above in a keep.  So much strategy involved. Try and take a keep, no good, move to a BO, bring them out and then fight on the open field.  There is a zerg, 2 v 2, 2 v 1, all kinds of matchups.  Its not one large mass fighting in sync,, I can assure u of that.  

Love the game !  If you don't like it, then I guess this isnt your type of game. Go back to LOTRO or WOW and kill those static mobs, over and over and over.  Get to max level as soon as u can !!!  Hurry up !!! lol.  

I can play a rank 4 or 28 toon and have just as much fun in this game.  Honestly, I don't even have to get to tier 4 or any endgame content.  The PVP is continous content every night    Never the same fight twice.  

Don't listen to any of the negative posts here, just try the game for yourself.  If you don't like the style, then move on.  Simple as that.

Originally posted by coldfreedom
Originally posted by Quizzical

You're arguing that a game that is going to be released for PCs will make PC MMORPGs obsolete? 

 

it will be released for ps3, 360 and pc. it is mainly a console style game. exclusive pc mmorpgs gonna be obsolete cause exclusive pc mmorgs's pvp suck and currupted. atleast in my eyes.

 

pvp in exclusive traditional mmorpgs is never good thats why its going obsolete in my eyes when Conquest is released.

 

no more mmorpg for me untill its pvp change!

I like the WAR PVP.  I'll stick with that over this game.  Its just as fast and more indepth.  I posted about this in the warhammer forums already, how the PVP aspect of WAR has taken me away from all other MMO's right now (because of the fast paced PVP). 

Only difference is the shooter aspects (direct aiming etc). 

PVP just has to be fun and thought out.  It doesnt always have to be like a shooter / fps game.  Just good, and WAR is good enough for the Gunga.

Originally posted by docminus
Originally posted by GungaDin

Horrible.  

I want my plain heater shield back !!! Or buckler of hardening.  Thats all !!!  Look at that freaking guide.  Why does it have to be so complicated now.  

Here was my pricing when I was a GM Smith on Chesapeake back in 1998.

Heater Shield:

Iron 100 gold

Dull Copper / Copper / Bronze 150 gold.

Shadow 200 gold

Agapite 300 gold

Verite 400 gold

Valorite 500 gold.  

Magical shields:  (when i  looted them off players or monsters)

Defense 100 gold

Guarding 200 gold

Hardening 300 gold

Forification 400 gold 

Invulnerability 750 gold.  

What a great system back then,  Thanks for reminding how much the game sucks now.

 

 

from my todays carebear perspective I would agree, but still, I have to ask how you are reasoning, because the "standard troll comments" regarding changes, nerfes, patches is somethin in the likes of "bah, too easy now, stupid carebears, I want my old UO/EQ1/SWG-preCU".

"Finally" something is more complicated and it becomes horrible.

Oh well, the fate of all MMO developers - you can never do it right for all.


 

Your looking at it wrong.  SWG Pre-Cu had the best crafting i've eve encountered.  But it was simple and well thought out.  Nothing wrong with a few modifiers, but this is getting ridiculous. 

Plus, too easy, carebear relates to gameplay (pvp, pve, quests etc).  No one calls crafting carebear.  Crafting should be important above all else.  And in early UO and SWG Pre-Cu. It was.  Thats the point !

Originally posted by tkreep

I couldnt stand WAR cuz of the reasons u like it cuz im into PvE.  I just play FPS games for PvP after I finish the singe player campaign.


 

I agree, FPS games are PVP.  Thing is, this game has that FPS feel.   Well to me anyway lol.

Originally posted by bodypass
Originally posted by GungaDin

Oblivion is actually better PVE than anything in these MMO's.  Plus I don't have to play monthly.  Don't get me wrong , i still like RPG's, I just dont like them converted to MMO form.  Oblivion doesnt make u kill 300 slugs for a trait.


 

A pity you are surrounded by potatos...

You are the hero of the City of potatos. Nice, but that's it. NO one cares.

 


 

No one cared in LOTRO either.

Didnt vote. 

Originally posted by Tyvolus1
Originally posted by GungaDin

 After playing the scenarios and RVR in WAR, I can no longer play any other MMO.  I recently quit an Alpha testing because the first quest was some delivery mission.  I just can't take that style anymore.  

LOTRO is dead to me forever, I'll never go back now.  Thx WAR !!!  

Quests and fighting NPC mobs, blah, so boring now,  Thx WAR !!! 

Last night we even tried to do the sewers instance in WAR and i almost fell asleep.  We were like "WTF are we doing, lets go kill someone !! lol "  Keep raids, RVR, scenarios, and just plain jumping people is where its at for me now.   

I don't see myself playing any MMO now, other than WAR.  

Cheers

One thing I love about WAR is that the game does NOT feel like a job.  I have NEVER logged into WAR dreading having to run some dungeon again for a drop or camping some spawn point for hours on end to finish a quest.  You log in, you play, you have fun, you camp -- and then you do something else with your life other then play an MMO for countless hours on end while accomplishing NOTHING.
 

Oh and the p

Yep, thats exactly how LOTRO made me feel.
 

Horrible.  

I want my plain heater shield back !!! Or buckler of hardening.  Thats all !!!  Look at that freaking guide.  Why does it have to be so complicated now.  

Here was my pricing when I was a GM Smith on Chesapeake back in 1998.

Heater Shield:

Iron 100 gold

Dull Copper / Copper / Bronze 150 gold.

Shadow 200 gold

Agapite 300 gold

Verite 400 gold

Valorite 500 gold.  

Magical shields:  (when i  looted them off players or monsters)

Defense 100 gold

Guarding 200 gold

Hardening 300 gold

Forification 400 gold 

Invulnerability 750 gold.  

What a great system back then,  Thanks for reminding how much the game sucks now.

 

 

 Don't know why I never tried DAOC.  My best PVP experience was UO back in 1997-98.  Took me awhile there to become effective in PVP .  

Just no more quests or kill 50 of this or that or take this piece of bread to Joe.  Can't do it anymore.

Oblivion is actually better PVE than anything in these MMO's.  Plus I don't have to play monthly.  Don't get me wrong , i still like RPG's, I just dont like them converted to MMO form.  Oblivion doesnt make u kill 300 slugs for a trait.

 I with ya 100%.  I have 4 order toons and 4 destro toons.  I just switch between them for a different game style.  Its amazing.  

And get this, I've been playing since Beta and my highest toon is rank 28 lol.  It doesnt matter what level your at, its PVP !! I actually find it more fun in the tier 1 zone.  I'm so pissed when I can't go in there anymore.  Its so basic at that stage it makes the PVP simple.  Tier 2 RVR is good, but Tier 3 is even better.  I think the RVR zones are set up better in Tier 3 (easier to find and get to the objectives faster, plus u have a mount lol)

I even tried to go back to LOTRO after the expansion.  But after a quest to help some dwarves make some pick axes, I lost it.  Goto hell Dorfs !! I wanted to kill them for making me go on a stupid pointless quest like that.  I mean , I can just play Oblivion for an RPG fix, and not have to pay freaking monthly !!

 LOL, yea.  Its just more fun playing vs real people.  Watching them run into traps and zergs solo lol.  I laugh every night in RVR.

 Yea, i'm currently playing Lego Star Wars, Oblivion, Wolfenstein Enemy Territory (free shooter, still great), and Bio Shock. 

WAR is so great because its not a grind, I can just play whenever, so I have all the free time now to get back to gaming.

 After playing the scenarios and RVR in WAR, I can no longer play any other MMO.  I recently quit an Alpha testing because the first quest was some delivery mission.  I just can't take that style anymore.  

LOTRO is dead to me forever, I'll never go back now.  Thx WAR !!!  

Quests and fighting NPC mobs, blah, so boring now,  Thx WAR !!! 

Last night we even tried to do the sewers instance in WAR and i almost fell asleep.  We were like "WTF are we doing, lets go kill someone !! lol "  Keep raids, RVR, scenarios, and just plain jumping people is where its at for me now.   

I don't see myself playing any MMO now, other than WAR.  

Cheers

 This award is so stupid.  Its basically between the WOW and LOTRO expansion.  Who cares.  Wooptie doo !

I'm gonna try out Oblivion again.  I have the game but only played for a short time because LOTRO sucked me in.  Hopefully it will be a refreshing RPG.  Also, looking forward to Diablo 3.  Its time for me to start playing games again instead of killing 300 slugs for +1 to a Virtue. 

But your right,  u either follow the WOW forumla or risk losing money. 

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