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OK Capt Jack :)

So apparently, HOUSING is the major issue.  At Lori's site, is there nothing else you like about SotA or want from a game?  Should we just make a game, Medieval Housing Online? 

Can we discuss anything else but HOUSING? 

If housing is your major concern, then I suppose you shouldn't play SotA.  I don't see them changing there design at this point.  Was using Housing as a main component to fundraising a great idea?  Maybe not, but it is what it is.

So all the content, listed at Forsakenvirtues.com, that SotA has to offer isn't good enough?  Is it housing or bust for the lot of you?   Surprising.... 

 

Hit the link !

http://forsakenvirtues.com/2013/09/30/what-is-shroud-of-the-avatar-2/

Thank you Dame Lori for putting this together !!

 

Eh?
Yes..
Originally posted by InsaneMembrane
Originally posted by GungaDin
Originally posted by InsaneMembrane
Originally posted by Neo_Viper
Originally posted by lizardbones

 

Nobody deserves a plot of land or a house in any game. Unless the verbiage for donating money said, "If you give this amount, you most certainly will get a plot of land and a house." In that case, people who donated enough money should get a house, if the game actually releases. But other than that, no, nobody deserves a house or land. They might certainly want those things, but they don't deserve them.
 

And if those who work hard to get a house (aka DESERVE it) can't get one because there's no more plots available, they will most certainly just quit the game.

Those saying housing is not a major part of the game make me laugh. Look the gameplay videos released so far... yeah, ALL are centered around the house.

Owning a house, even a small village one, gives major advantages to crafters. And that's not only house decoration crafters - also weaponsmiths, armorsmiths, etc...

Having your storage just beside your own forge is just a tremendous advantage... and having your own vendor too.

 

What is this magical "major advantages" you speak of? Omg the house has a crafting station which are public anyway?

As stated prior, having a carebear crafting station, scrooge mcduck's storage vault, and whatever else you may conjure up as a magical win button advantage it just isn't so. All of these things are provided via public anyway. 

Seriously, having a house in game is to show off one of two things. How big your wang is because you bought/earned one, or two how big your mom's wang is because you stole her wallet.

Lastly, you know this is the very first game of the series of five SotA games which are being released. There will be plenty of chances for a house if you really must put on a skirt and have a go at it.

This is true, i have a big wang....

 

Think FireLotus will unban me for defending her honor here? LAWL. What's a Paladin?

Keep kissing ass and I'll put a word in for you....but you have to behave yourself :)

Perhaps a community apology? lol , yea right !

Originally posted by InsaneMembrane
Originally posted by Neo_Viper
Originally posted by lizardbones

 

Nobody deserves a plot of land or a house in any game. Unless the verbiage for donating money said, "If you give this amount, you most certainly will get a plot of land and a house." In that case, people who donated enough money should get a house, if the game actually releases. But other than that, no, nobody deserves a house or land. They might certainly want those things, but they don't deserve them.
 

And if those who work hard to get a house (aka DESERVE it) can't get one because there's no more plots available, they will most certainly just quit the game.

Those saying housing is not a major part of the game make me laugh. Look the gameplay videos released so far... yeah, ALL are centered around the house.

Owning a house, even a small village one, gives major advantages to crafters. And that's not only house decoration crafters - also weaponsmiths, armorsmiths, etc...

Having your storage just beside your own forge is just a tremendous advantage... and having your own vendor too.

 

What is this magical "major advantages" you speak of? Omg the house has a crafting station which are public anyway?

As stated prior, having a carebear crafting station, scrooge mcduck's storage vault, and whatever else you may conjure up as a magical win button advantage it just isn't so. All of these things are provided via public anyway. 

Seriously, having a house in game is to show off one of two things. How big your wang is because you bought/earned one, or two how big your mom's wang is because you stole her wallet.

Lastly, you know this is the very first game of the series of five SotA games which are being released. There will be plenty of chances for a house if you really must put on a skirt and have a go at it.

This is true, i have a big wang....

Originally posted by InsaneMembrane
Originally posted by Neo_Viper

This makes me even more worried about the "pay to win" housing system.

Housing will definitely be a major part of this game, notably for crafting.

 

Pay to win? How do you win from buying a house and then decorating it or storing useless shit you'll never use there?

I suppose it does depend on what you both consider to be pay, and what you consider to be win. For me, I win by finding little home owners out in the woods crafting chairs for their house and ganking their sorry asses.

 

LOL

Originally posted by InsaneMembrane
Originally posted by Hanthos
Originally posted by GungaDin

A house / plot of land is not needed to play the game.  Its just extra fluff.  You can decorate it, place trophies in it, meet with friends or craft from within your house (instead of using a public crafting station).  

You are basically paying for convenience.  

 

In your opinion, maybe. There is a large segment of the gaming community that feel that housing options should be as mandatory a feature of the game as character creation is. I was very close to backing until this announcement. I now think that I will give it a pass.

 

That is one of the most... interesting comments I have ever read. I've never come across anyone in recent MMO gaming which has told me they think that they are outright entitled to getting a house. 

This is a new concept for me and doesn't make much sense. I would like to know why you believe that you are entitled to something like that?

I mean what if I don't want a house, you're also going to force me to play house?? I wear no skirt, as it is I'll probably give my citizen home away to some retard crafter or money grubbing douche bag in game.

I feel the same way actually.  I pledged high enough for a house/plot of land, but to be honest, i'm pushing for in game Inns to be the hub of roleplay and community.

You think back to UO, the best places for me to interact with others was either at the bank or brit forge doing repairs.  Close 2nd was perhaps guild halls where you would meet on a weekly basis.   Don't get me wrong, having a house is nice, but its not critical to gameplay.

Originally posted by aRtFuLThinG
Originally posted by GungaDin
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by Stile_Teckel

Arglebargle - With regards to Tabula Rasa question (taking you seriously on your question). If you hit the internet and do some serious research, you'll learn that Richard Garriott was opposed to releasing the game when they did. Additionally that the company he was working for forced aspects of the game he did not want or felt where ready to be added. It was a situation of he was working for someone else and he was not the boss. I often get told to do things at work that make me want to walk out on my job, but I have bills to pay and family to feed so I grit my teeth and do it. It's not hard to learn that there was a lot of this sort of thing going on for Lord British for this game. Same thing with Ultima 9.

 

Dude, seriously!  You are so wrong on this one. It's not even funny!

This is Richard "High Horse" Garriott desperately trying to Clear his name and put the blame at NCSoft..... and you and so many others falling for this and eating it like sweet candy truth!

I am getting seriously tired of repeating the entire story again and again, as I was a devoted fan of Tabula Rasa back then, following the entire Development, part of the entire closed beta and followed through launch and Beyond until shut Down.

During that time I have seen Richard "High Horse" Garriott showing his "true" colors.

I am "totally" done With him and won't touch anything anymore, where he's involved in With a ten foot pole!

 

Just to give you a little clue. He was "totally" in charge of Tabula Rasa Development. Had total free reign and a huge Budget from NCSoft.

NCSoft had so much fate in him at that time, that he even managed to get his Brother appointed as CEO of the NCSoft NA studio, where Tabula Rasa was being developed.

But like I said.... I can Write a huge wall of text again about what happened during that time. But I seriously get tired of repeating that wall of text yet again. Especially since you blind fans don't want to hear the truth anyway.

I wish you all good Luck on this one.

 

Dude, Tabula Rasa is one game.  Who is a fault for Tabula Rasa not doing well? Who cares, its one game.  No game developer gets it right 100% of the time.  

 

So you lose you argument because the other guy retorted base on facts, and your reply was "dude it is just one game" because you have nothing more to add/respond on the subject?

 

I am a neutral observer but I must say that made your entire earlier arguments very unconvincing...

 

Ummm....No.

Originally posted by itpaladin
Originally posted by Olgark

I was fed up when I saw how much a housing plot was £150 for one housing plot. When a house cost me £50.

 

I refuse to put anymore money into Shroud of the Avatar.

 

You aren't aware that you get land being a Founder (someone that backed it during the Kickstarter)?

 

You don't get land just being a founder (pledging during the kickstarter).  You either have to pledge Citizen level (or higher) or purchase the $150 village plot with your current pledge.

(That is at the start of the game)

There may be some plots open an launch that people can purchase in game, not sure on how many though.

Or more land will open as the game progresses for you to purchase in game.

Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by Stile_Teckel

Arglebargle - With regards to Tabula Rasa question (taking you seriously on your question). If you hit the internet and do some serious research, you'll learn that Richard Garriott was opposed to releasing the game when they did. Additionally that the company he was working for forced aspects of the game he did not want or felt where ready to be added. It was a situation of he was working for someone else and he was not the boss. I often get told to do things at work that make me want to walk out on my job, but I have bills to pay and family to feed so I grit my teeth and do it. It's not hard to learn that there was a lot of this sort of thing going on for Lord British for this game. Same thing with Ultima 9.

 

Dude, seriously!  You are so wrong on this one. It's not even funny!

This is Richard "High Horse" Garriott desperately trying to Clear his name and put the blame at NCSoft..... and you and so many others falling for this and eating it like sweet candy truth!

I am getting seriously tired of repeating the entire story again and again, as I was a devoted fan of Tabula Rasa back then, following the entire Development, part of the entire closed beta and followed through launch and Beyond until shut Down.

During that time I have seen Richard "High Horse" Garriott showing his "true" colors.

I am "totally" done With him and won't touch anything anymore, where he's involved in With a ten foot pole!

 

Just to give you a little clue. He was "totally" in charge of Tabula Rasa Development. Had total free reign and a huge Budget from NCSoft.

NCSoft had so much fate in him at that time, that he even managed to get his Brother appointed as CEO of the NCSoft NA studio, where Tabula Rasa was being developed.

But like I said.... I can Write a huge wall of text again about what happened during that time. But I seriously get tired of repeating that wall of text yet again. Especially since you blind fans don't want to hear the truth anyway.

I wish you all good Luck on this one.

 

Dude, Tabula Rasa is one game.  Who is a fault for Tabula Rasa not doing well? Who cares, its one game.  No game developer gets it right 100% of the time.  

 

In regards to RG being acting in an unethical manner.

(1) Portalarium obviously cost money to establish.  I didn't pay for that.  Did any of you? NO.  RG created it.

(2) 2.5 mil is obviously not enough to fund this entire project.  Where is the other funds coming from?  Ummm....Portalarium and RG.

(3) 2.5 Mil will not get you into space

No other game creator has been this passionate about his vision.  Chris Roberts and Fargo have impressed me (backed WL 2 and SC).

But RG's interaction with the community, visiting fan sites, live interviews, and showing up to google hangouts at backers' requests has been 2nd to none.

I do not see, in anyway, that he is exploiting the community or backers. 

Question of RG's Integrity has been answered.  Move on.  Thank you.

 

Ahh...let me just end this entire rant.

Housing was known to be rare and require $$$ as a main source of crowd funding before and during the kickstarter.  This fact was never hidden. 

If not having a house/plot at the start of the game is the main turnoff for you, then don't pledge.

If the rest of the content and options (excluding having a house/plot) is enough for you to enjoy the game, then pledge.

You will be able to acquire a house and plot in game.  It may be rare at first and costly, but the option will be there.  Also, as the game develops (Episodes 1-5) , more and more land will open up for purchase.

Ok, housing has now been cleared up.  Complaints about housing can now end.  Thank you.

Originally posted by InsaneMembrane

Hello Everyone,

I am a member of the Shroud of the Avatar Community and a member of the developer+ community within. I believe you all have the right to know and understand where this information comes from. I was recently banned from the SotA community for my opinions on this(amongst other things), so I hope that it reaches you here.

This information has not come directly to Colin by any official Shroud of the Avatar/Portalarium capacity. The persons Colin has spoken with were an off the cusp, rushed selection of two women whom are friends with the Shroud of the Avatar Community Manager, Gina.

The rest of the Dev+ community wasn’t given an opportunity or heads up on this, the two users who spoke here to Colin said it was “very rushed” due to a “deadline” and that they themselves were not ready for it even.

“…I’m no more ‘privy’ to facts than anyone else.” – Fireangel(Tina)

“Starr did not screen anything and didn’t even have any idea what my opinion on housing is…” – Lori

I do know plenty of people on the forum(both dev and non-dev) who have better ideas, opinions, and experience with housing than the two people selected. Those points could have been presented to the interviewer to enrich that article in any number of ways.

There is more on my blog. Peace.

InsaneMembrane

LOL..

 

I give up trying to explain housing.   The DEVs can handle this.  Adios....

Originally posted by NightBandit
Originally posted by Karble

http://www.polygon.com/2013/9/13/4724762/lord-british-and-the-oklahoma-land-rush

 

this is the link the the article most recently from the creators of Shroud of the Avatar.

It is one thing to try and sway the avid fanbase of the various avatar games over the years into purchasing virtual (see pixy dust) space to place a house in a semi-protected area of an online community that has not happened yet. It's another to try and now tell new people that are interested that "hey....better pay now or you will not have a home since they are limited" which only adds to this pixy dust house of cards.

 

I am not saying that the game itself will be good or bad. Just that there are alot of people in real life spending LITERALLY THOUSANDS of DOLLARS to have a house (pixy dust) in a virtual world. 

 

Where has common sense gone? Seriously......ugh.  I am a fan of UO and played it for several years, but I will be the last to throw my hard earned money into developing any game unless they will be splitting the profit with me.

 

Oh they are not splitting the profit with people that have invested 3K into the game? hmm well at least you get a pixy dust house :P

I was a fan in the old days but have realised he is just trying to achieve what Chris Roberts has done with the SC game and for me he's not even close to the mark and I have not and will not support this game as I feel he's way off the mark with this game and it looks horrid and IMO it will fail because he's not got the talent to pull this off.

Chris Roberts has set a president by what he has done and everyone else feels they can do the same, but you need the ability and talent to do this and again IMO he cannot compete and this is just to fill his pockets to allow us to subsidise his dreams as he's unable to finance it through other means as others have seen what he has to offer is pants...

 

SC has the advantage of being part of a less used Genre.   Not many space MMO's / worlds.   Swords, shields and orc have been used to death.  Even I wasn't sure about backing another D&D based game again.  It was much easier for me to back SC just because it involved something different (space ships lol).

Really don't know what else to say.  

There isn't 50-75 mil in funding to make UO2 and provide housing to everyone.  

It was known from the beginning of kickstarter that housing would be rare and at a premium.

Housing was used as a source of fundraising.   Good or bad idea?  That is what they went with.  No way to change that or go back on that choice.  

If housing is your main concern (and your not willing to wait for more housing options), then don't pledge.  If you are more interested in the story, lore, crafting, PvE, PvP, old school conversation system or some other  aspect of gameplay (and like what you see), then pledge based on that. 

24,000 houses on multiple servers is not gonna happen with 2.5 mil in funding.  Do any of you know how much an MMO costs to produce these days?  Have to be realistic here.

 

Originally posted by chaintm
Originally posted by GungaDin  "Kind of like star citizen selling $1000 ships..."
 

Sadly you are way off, Star Citizen Ships are just ships that can be gained in game by ANYONE with in game resources. Buying the ships prior to launch allows the following...

 

- you can play with the ship at launch

- your investment gives you insurance that you can also buy in game as well

- everything in star citizen (EVERYTHING) can be gained by just playing the game.

 

So why I can see why one might "think" it's the same , it is not. Anyone can buy the 30.00 ship and get everything others will start with that paid more , you are at that point just buying the game.

All items again can be gotten in game by playing and nothing more is needed no real cash ever! You can however use a store and do so if you wish but only for cosmetic items which can also be gained by currency made in game. So the differance there is there is no "cash only" option for Star Citzen in any aspect of the game. There is "when it launches" an option again to use real life cash for cosmetics, but you never have to and if you don't it doesn't mean you can never get them unlike other games where it's cash only for certain cosmetics, SC will never have this.

I Just want to clear this up that only 2 other games I know in development are going with this "Real cash only " concept ... Power Monger and Pathfinder.

I meant that it would be difficult to earn that ship in game, it will be rare just like housing.  However, u can earn housing in SotA as well. I believe neither game is pay to win (as a backer for both)

If housing is such an issue for people, go play Housing Online or something.  Owning property is not a majority of the content.   Housing is their fundraising plan.  Did they have other options?  I don't know what was discussed during the creation process, but that is what they have gone for. 

Housing is rare just like a $1000 ship in star citizen.  I may never own a plot of land or that mega ship, but it won't stop me from playing the game. I'll just explore with my Aurora or live out of an Inn.

Originally posted by Swedish_Chef
Originally posted by GungaDin
Originally posted by Neo_Viper
Originally posted by GungaDin

A house / plot of land is not needed to play the game.  Its just extra fluff.

Strongly disagreed. In a theme park game maybe, but not in a sandbox game.

To me, housing in a sandbox is an essential part of the game.

I played UO without a home for over 1.5 yrs.  It was not "essential" to gameplay.  Plus, as in UO, you can be friended to homes or have access to guild establishments. 

Housing does not = sandbox. 

Sandbox is considered an open free roaming world.  Player housing is not part of the criterium. 

Correction: It wasn't essential to you.

Sorry, but I'm also of the opinion that home ownership is a near-essential part of games like this.

I wouldn't mind so much about land being sold for real cash if it were just certain high-demand areas such as waterfronts, big city suburbs, etc. However with land being a finite resource and every single parcel available for RL cash, they're essentially locking people out of a chunk of content from the get-go because they're not wealthy enough IRL to pay for it. To me, this is absolutely inexcusable. I didn't contribute to this game for some pay-to-win cash grab, I contributed because I wanted a worthy successor to the Ultima series.

If this decision isn't reversed, then I will be contacting the appropriate parties to have my contribution refunded. This isn't what I signed up for, and sure as hell isn't the kind of garbage I want to support.

Get a clue.  They can not afford 24,000 houses.  They don't have the funding to support the servers or required resources.  Star Citizen has 19 mil vs 2.5 for SotA..

Anyone can own a house (via in game currency), its just very rare.  Just like that $1000 ship.  Good luck earning that in SC.  As a backer of SC, I don't have any issues with them offering 1k ships.  It supports the game.  Why can't people see housing in SotA the same way?

 

Originally posted by Neo_Viper
Originally posted by GungaDin

A house / plot of land is not needed to play the game.  Its just extra fluff.

Strongly disagreed. In a theme park game maybe, but not in a sandbox game.

To me, housing in a sandbox is an essential part of the game.

I played UO without a home for over 1.5 yrs.  It was not "essential" to gameplay.  Plus, as in UO, you can be friended to homes or have access to guild establishments. 

Housing does not = sandbox. 

Sandbox is considered an open free roaming world.  Player housing is not part of the criterium. 

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