All Posts by bezado

Originally posted by Trenyt

I can confirm that the 'crap-o-meter' has offically blown a fuse when fed this threads contents...

Originally posted by Death1942

lol 500k subscribers in the first month?  name ONE game that managed that.   500k in 2 or 3 months thats believable but not in 1month

Yeah thats why it is a guess. AOC is by far one of the most global marketed advanced MMORPG to come out. Look at the European forums, there are some forums with over 2million people visiting them. I think AOC is got a leg up on over hype from day one and so has WAR, this is what I am basing my findings on and WOW did have a impressive 600k subscribers on it's first month if I do recall that press release.

Originally posted by Vincenz

You have an interesting definition of the word "fact".

Yeah to late to take it out, I wanted to say something else then Fact. Fact being my definitive on WAR being the more popular with the most subscribers. If you look at the history of the last 4 top MMORPG's you see how WOW went from 600k subs at it's first month to over 3mill in a few months. Now that people know what to expect from WAR and how it will run and how similar it is you can only guess they will have a huge advantage over AOC on subscribers in it's first month.

Edit: I was able to take that off the title for the thread, I never changed a title word before guess you can

AOC poll below

The fact is WAR has a lower system requirement and is WOW like. Many of the WOW community have already said they are moving to WAR and you can't underestimate the many millions of people who currently play low end MMORPG's that can run on their older PC's.

We will probably see AOC get maybe 500k subscribers, perhaps less but WAR on the other hand will get over a million subscribers on the first month of release.  This has everything to do with how good of a PC do you have. We already know WOW can run on a 8year old PC smoothly with a low end AGP video card, and so will WAR at launch. This gives a huge advantage to WAR and also because of what WOW did to path the road for WAR's launch.

Advantage WAR. AOC will struggle with finding that many people who can run the game decently with all that eyecandy turned on. Nobody wants to play a game like AOC on the lowest graphical setting and see how ugly the game will look, a game like AOC needs to have everything looking good or else you take away from the immersion aspect that game creates.  I could run AOC max settings on my 30'' LCD but I prefer WAR over AOC for the simple fact of pure enjoyment of seeing the millions of players that will be playing. More players = better PVP.

So here is the major POLL at which we will revisit after 1month of launch of each title and try and see if any info has been released on numbers yet.

Post your predictions and also use the polls below. Whoever is closer to the subscriber numbers for the 1month period will get nothing from me but perhaps a forum title could be rewarded for the winner???

My guess is 2.5mill War, AOC 500k

Originally posted by yugyug04

 okay thats it. scientist have found that on old churches that the bottom of the glass is thicker than the top. thats because its drooped. if you were in a time machine and you stared at glass and 1000 of years went by in seconds you would see the glass droop like syrup. and syrup is a liquid. no one f*cking believes me.  excuse my lanquage

Saying glass is a liquid after it is cooled is a stupid statement. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know glass goes from a liquid state when being made to a cooled state of being a solid.

Originally posted by huxflux2004

 

Originally posted by Battlekruse

Originally posted by spbrooke

How is AoC anywhere close to being a WoW clone?  I don't see a grind fest, I see a game where you don't HAVE to item grind to be successful. 

Ah.. the end game is raiding... I was hoping this game wouldn't be like that. I don't have the time to spend 4+ hours of unfun in hopes to get an item. I wouldn't do that even if I could. Really doesn't make sense to make a game for 'grown-ups' and have that garbage.

 

No the end game is not raiding. Raiding is an option, but the end game is conquest PvP, something along the lines of EVE, DAOC and Lineage

Originally posted by Xasapis

What can I say, I was attracted by this troll-ish thread title.

The OP has a valid concern, ie. how will an untested combat system fare in the test of time. A bit unfortunate that he choose a bad way to express it.

The answer is simple, we won't know unless we play it. And even then we won't know. Some things grow on us over time or we tend to hate them as time passes by. No real way to tell at this point.

Bottom line, if somebody doesn't brave to change things (even so slightly), we'll only get the currently default mechanics in everything we play now and into the future. Is this what we want?

True but this game is going to be a major turnoff for most simply because of all the button mashing you need to do. So many players are use to the old click and fire type MMO's. This will make people have to do more work to score better damage and hits. I don't get it either.

Originally posted by Solase

Currently, I'm working overseas for our country and we have limited access back to the states in various areas.  Many troops are pushing for more Internet access and bandwith here, but even if they max'd out on bandwith it would not be enough to overcome the lag for us to hit servers back in the states.  Now, I don't know if WoW could make it profitable given the fact we actually do put a lot of hours in overhere (think of working 2 fulltime jobs with no days off), but if Blizzard was to contact the USO and investigate the possibility of setting up a WoW USO server here, I think the publicity alone would be such a great marketing tool!

Think about it, the first company to offer MMO services to military serving abroad!  Now that would be cool!  And they could even provide military personnel free character move services to and from the server.  Anyhow, just a though, but I think it would be awesome!!!

It is your job, not that it should grant you servers on base or in that region. Blizzard doesn't support the war but maybe the troops. It would mean Blizzard needs to install the server and have tech support there to keep it running which nobody from Blizzard is ever going to do. Work in a War Zone to keep a WOW server going?? Imagine if the Blizzard employee got PK'd  while he was working on that server, then what? LOL maybe not but hey I know for a fact Blizzard would never do this, makes no sense at all.

Originally posted by HYPERI0N

Originally posted by bezado

There goes the performance of nvidia video cards. Having to render and now process physx on the same card is terrible. This is why I think AMD will be the better video card in the next couple years because AMD is in R&D over putting their own physx on the chipset to increase the bandwidth between video and cpu.

LoL you really dont know much about PC's the Physics chip is just that, a microchip. What they will do on the NVIDIA cards is just add a second chip for now that will be the Physics chip which WONT effect the graphics chip. Of course this will soon become obsolete as Both AMD and Intel are working to do the same with there Multi-Core Processors.

LOL at you. Obviously you know nothing. When you combine more processing elements to a video card it in turn slows down performance because all that information still must pass through the PCIE slots to the processor. While the bandwidth is a much slower process doing this. If you place a physical physx engine on chipset or with the CPU itself then you gain performance. As the read below here has stated that this would not improve performance.

And yes nvidia has it's own built in physx to it's newer cards, so has ATI, but these are more simple in comparison and are not setup for optimizations like Ageia has for it's current standard on PhysX.

Now to the other point. The overall performance on testing the addition of these simplified PhysX on the newer nvidia cards and ati has shown a drop in overall performance vs before adding them in R&D phase. This is why you have seen such a gigantic leap in power and processing speed and streaming processes. All this was to keep the new products performance better then their previous models. Also adding more integrated processing to a video card uses more power and currently this is another factor with newer cards is the big power increases.

I look forward to a company like AMD who is in R&D right now to put it's very own PhysX on chipset or within it's cpu's. Not only will this increase bandwidth and performance but it should also stabilize the video card manufacturers from making such big power consuming behemouths of video cards.

Originally posted by Zarki

EQ is on a once a year expansion cycle now and if you purchase the retail box you get the new expansion and everything prior to that on your dvd to install, not sure what you're complaining about.  You can get all 12-13 expansions for like 39 bucks, show me a better deal for that much content.

I also don't get the complaint on the patcher.  Comparing it to others, it's the easiest I've used.  They also have a station launcher in beta that will allow you to download games/patches in the background of all their games from one location.  It's nice but seems slower to me but it's still in beta.

 

 

I brought this up cause I was at ebgames recently and they had no EQ boxes and I checked bestbuy also. So the majority do not have the box set which is why I was saying how ridiculous it is to download all these for people who can't find it. Digital download being the most popular now. I think that to many expansions is overkill if expansions truely made the game better then why is WOW still strong with 10 million subscribers?

Originally posted by MarleVVLL

Huckabee ftw. :)

Blessings,

Keep religion out of politics period. This is why our country is so messed up right now because the current idiot in the white house is such a religious idiot.

Oh and PS: Huckabee believes in creationism and not evolution, what a terrible premise to have when running for president of the USA.

There goes the performance of nvidia video cards. Having to render and now process physx on the same card is terrible. This is why I think AMD will be the better video card in the next couple years because AMD is in R&D over putting their own physx on the chipset to increase the bandwidth between video and cpu.

I played EQ for 4yrs give or take and EQ2 for 2yrs. I think SOE is overdoing it's expansions for these two titles.

The concern is what will players do with 20+ expansions later? Do you have a computer issue and need to reformat then don't install the game ever again because of the gigantic expansion downloads or installs or do you wait 3days to get everything downloaded to play again.

It just seems a little odd to me out of all the MMO releases SOE decides to keep milking it's titles with expansion after expansion.

When will it ever end? After the 50th expansion. Boy I am glad I don't play anymore because SOE has such a terrible downloader for updates.

I play but the balance issues are getting worse.

They try to fix things but create more imbalance. I wouldn't expect any real game updates ever. Also this wipe process has been going on for a long time now.

If it's taking them this long to test and get ready this patch imagine how long it will be till they full fix all the exploits and dupe bugs. You watch and see the new servers become full of dupes again and gold because gold is dupable also very easily. The games developers such for this game, worst I ever seen besides D&L.

Hell with them not making the proper news headlines to tell new players what to expect. Instead it is me and my nation taking in new players from noob island and then telling them what is coming up and them saying goodbye to the game and in shock for the most part since they do not have the proper news up.

If they put the correct news up and told new players that they should play to get use the game before the wipes then there wouldn't be so many people on noob island or at sdr complaining about it coming as new players.

A pointless post really. How many of the people doing this poll will actually get off there buts and vote. Besides the ones supporting Obama have no sense of direction. Obama has no experience which is needed right now from what the hell hole GWB got us in. Hillary is the best candidate. She knows her foreign politics very very well and can hold her own. She is also the smartest candidate running. Backing her is Bill who you all know took our country out of trillions of dollars debt to balanced with a surplus. The country ran really well when he was in the White House and Hillary is the same as Bill with many of the same political views. 2 presidents in the White House protecting us is better then 1 who doesn't know what to do or what he wants.

Obama is all Preacher talk and spin. He has yet to fully come out and say exactly what it is he intends to do.

Originally posted by xxthecorexx

 

Originally posted by bezado

 

Originally posted by xxthecorexx

 

Originally posted by daylight01

Originally posted by chryses

Safwd,

I just upgraded my PC and bought the 8800gt card after reading multiple reviews.  Basically it kicks anything else out there and is on almost on par and still on some occassion passes the 8800GTS.  The good news is since I have installed it I have played every game on max and even Crisis on high settings.  Still getting amazing frame rates.  The bad news is I had to upgrade my power supply to a corsair 750 as my 500 watt power supply squealed like a badly.  I checked some calculations and I needed 650 watts as a minimum with the 8800gt.  Asus make great game boards and you can probably get an SLi regardless.  Just make sure you get good Ram.  Don't get sucked into buying the cheap stuff since it runs pretty slow.  Check out reviews and pay that little bit more.  I have a 4400 dual core amd for the record but with the 8800GT everything is running beautifully. 

Hope this helps.

 

I have to ask mate what were you running that you needed 650w just to run a 8800gt card?

I mean even running sli 2x8800gt would be under 650w,I think you read it wrong somewhere mate tbh.

it's not only the graphics card that draws power, there's the amount of hard drives, optical drives, cpu, fans and cooling units, usb devices, ect.

 

personally, on a new computer that i plan on keeping a while, i wouldn't get anything less than a 750w PSU

 

That is incredibly wrong. 1 8800GT and a case with tons of lights and 4 HD and 2 DVD drives with other accesories will only pull 460-480 watts max with everything going. A popular PC tech site has shown this countless times. With a system with 2 SLI 8800GTS and all the other stuff the WATT meter was showing just over 660 WATTS, thats with a SLI setup and a overclocked intel QX9650!! There is no way your using all 750 Watts of power on a single card and normal PC system. All that extra power is wasted into heat and your paying for it. Good luck on your electricity bill.

http://educations.newegg.com/tool/psucalc/index.html

 

 

X6800 @ 3.66ghz

680i motherboard

2 x 8800GTS

2 gb ddr2

2 x optical

3 x 10,000k rpm hard drives

720w

 

dispute the source if you want, i'm covered.

 

OMFG are you kidding me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dude you obviously know nothing about computers then. Neweggs little calculator does not show real world test results. That thing just takes the recomended WATTS needed for each part and adds them up, the truth is those parts all have a max end recommended watts. The real world measurments are done with a watt meter pluged between the PC power cord and the wall socket that measures the watts the machine is pulling .

Newegg makes more money certainly showing the max rated watts per hardware item to get users to buy the more expensive items. What they should of done was take the minimum of each hardware piece. Again if you look at the specifications the manufacture overates each item for maximum recomended watts.

If you believe neweggs calculator then you got to do some research to get the facts.

I think Microsoft would of been better off going with AMD. AMD was kinda for sale and they could of bought that cheaper then yahoo and gained processors and video cards for future XBOX designs or just getting into computer making with processors they could code with new instructions to coincide with their OS, making the processors truely revolutionary in the sense they can adopt full 4 cores into the OS each taking care of the OS areas that use more CPU power. You know MS has the R&D to do this. I just think going with yahoo was not a great idea for them, considering they are truely still a monopoly on the OS software side. Who isn't going to buy MS windows for their PC now days. What more advertising could they need.

Originally posted by xxthecorexx

 

Originally posted by daylight01

Originally posted by chryses

Safwd,

I just upgraded my PC and bought the 8800gt card after reading multiple reviews.  Basically it kicks anything else out there and is on almost on par and still on some occassion passes the 8800GTS.  The good news is since I have installed it I have played every game on max and even Crisis on high settings.  Still getting amazing frame rates.  The bad news is I had to upgrade my power supply to a corsair 750 as my 500 watt power supply squealed like a badly.  I checked some calculations and I needed 650 watts as a minimum with the 8800gt.  Asus make great game boards and you can probably get an SLi regardless.  Just make sure you get good Ram.  Don't get sucked into buying the cheap stuff since it runs pretty slow.  Check out reviews and pay that little bit more.  I have a 4400 dual core amd for the record but with the 8800GT everything is running beautifully. 

Hope this helps.

 

I have to ask mate what were you running that you needed 650w just to run a 8800gt card?

I mean even running sli 2x8800gt would be under 650w,I think you read it wrong somewhere mate tbh.

it's not only the graphics card that draws power, there's the amount of hard drives, optical drives, cpu, fans and cooling units, usb devices, ect.

 

personally, on a new computer that i plan on keeping a while, i wouldn't get anything less than a 750w PSU

That is incredibly wrong. 1 8800GT and a case with tons of lights and 4 HD and 2 DVD drives with other accesories will only pull 460-480 watts max with everything going. A popular PC tech site has shown this countless times. With a system with 2 SLI 8800GTS and all the other stuff the WATT meter was showing just over 660 WATTS, thats with a SLI setup and a overclocked intel QX9650!! There is no way your using all 750 Watts of power on a single card and normal PC system. All that extra power is wasted into heat and your paying for it. Good luck on your electricity bill.

Nice, whats a good guild and heavy populated server to look into?