Originally posted by Obraik

 

Originally posted by MX13

Originally posted by Obraik

Originally posted by MX13

 

Originally posted by Obraik

Personally, I think it's about time they put some effort into advertising SWG.  There's always advertising features done for EQ & EQII but never anything for SWG. 

I see plenty of people replying with "lawlz, desperate!" but this is really the first advertising/marketing SWG has had for new players in 2 years or more.

Ok, so let me get this straight... this is "advertising", but the 10 other emails like this begging for players to come back aren't? Please...

 

When you have to bribe players with items that show NO ONE cares about the story anymore it's clear it's a "desperate" move...

Note I said new players ;)  Those other "10 emails" you speak of were all directed at people that had played the game before. 

This was sent to EXISTING PLAYERS, not new players... so you're arguing that emails sent to the same people are not the same attempt of advertising? Again, please... you're as desperate for justification as usual...

Sent to existing players to invite new players...hence the word "buddy" in the title of the promotion ;)

 

Obviously, you're just as desperate to jump on the SWG hatewagon as ever.

So, now you're saying existing players haven't invited their friends to play before this? If anything this is an attempt to get existing players to fork out $80 for a "special" speeder, and other canon-breaking "rewards"...

I also enjoy your "you say something I don't like so you're on the 'hatewagon'"... I prefer to call it "having taste" & no Fanboi Blinders...

Originally posted by Obraik

Originally posted by MX13

 

Originally posted by Obraik

Personally, I think it's about time they put some effort into advertising SWG.  There's always advertising features done for EQ & EQII but never anything for SWG. 

I see plenty of people replying with "lawlz, desperate!" but this is really the first advertising/marketing SWG has had for new players in 2 years or more.

Ok, so let me get this straight... this is "advertising", but the 10 other emails like this begging for players to come back aren't? Please...

 

When you have to bribe players with items that show NO ONE cares about the story anymore it's clear it's a "desperate" move...

Note I said new players ;)  Those other "10 emails" you speak of were all directed at people that had played the game before. 

This was sent to EXISTING PLAYERS, not new players... so you're arguing that emails sent to the same people are not the same attempt of advertising? Again, please... you're as desperate for justification as usual...

Originally posted by Obraik

Personally, I think it's about time they put some effort into advertising SWG.  There's always advertising features done for EQ & EQII but never anything for SWG. 

I see plenty of people replying with "lawlz, desperate!" but this is really the first advertising/marketing SWG has had for new players in 2 years or more.

When you have to bribe players with items that show NO ONE cares about the story anymore it's clear it's a "desperate" move...

Originally posted by Stradden

Wow, some folks certainly are taking the MMOWTF awards seriously.

Dan was just trying to provide variety in his own awards. I honestly don't see the problem. Dan went way out of his way to acknowledge the SWG hate, but in the end the MMOWTF awards, which are based I remind you, on a tongue-in-cheek editorial column, are just for fun.

There is a reason that these awards don't have badges or even polls as do our sanctioned awards. Once again, the MMOWTF awards are just meant to put a smile on people's faces. 

 

I lost my hate a long time ago, and have even tried to play SWG again. My votes were honest, and disregarded for false reasons, and that does tick me off a bit. I've basiclly been told that I've cheated stuffing ballot boxes, and that I'm lying about my opinions.

If you look at those who did vote for SWG, most voted for OTHER GAMES as well. Only a small few voted for it accross the board, and I would understand if you threw those out. But disgregarding honest voted for some made-up conspiracy is insulting to those who took the time to be part of this community & vote with tier honest opinions about what THEY have played this year.

Excuse you Dan, but I meant my votes for SWG, as well as the OTHER games I voted for.

I played it, I went back and tried it again. It had nothing to do with stuffing a ballot box, and I had no Alt accounts voting up a storm. I didn't vote for it across the board, and gave the reasons I did vote for it clearly.

I chose it in those Cat's because it was MY OPINION, which is what you asked for. Apparently, you really didn't want what you asked for.

Worst Graphics: Star Wars Galaxies - I don't remember seeing a mind-numbing number of partical effects in the movies... It's a shame to overwhelm the player's screens with such cheesy magic effects.

Least Fun: Star Wars Galaxies - I keep trying it again & again hoping something has changed. Nothing has, just my amazement of how terrible this game is now.

Most Desolate: Vanguard - It's why I barely log on anymore.

Worst Use of Popular IP or License: Star Wars Galaxies - Enough said.

Lamest Launch: Vanguard - The game wasn't ready.

Most Likely to be Cancelled in 2008: Huxley - That's if I've missed it being canceled.

Biggest Stinker: Star Wars Galaxies - I keep trying it, and keep puking a little bit in my mouth each time. The once great game is truely dead to me now.

Originally posted by xluciferx

I must ask you as you talk as-if you are experienced in the game development industry, do you have any experience in game development? being theory, 3d modelling, animation, ideas, production etc, professionally?

What are you talking about? He made no such claims or comments. It makes we wonder if you're trying to discredit another's opinion in a subtle manner.

Originally posted by suske

i like pie.

QFE

Personally?

My Expceptional DXR6 Rifle, with a 33% slice... I'd pup it up and go Jedi hunt'in 

Originally posted by Ginaz

Lol Sorry didn't realize this was from back in Feb.  I saw a few 7's in the last posts date and thought it was this month.

Hey, no worries... I think I missed this one before... it's worth noting by it's sheer stupidity...

Originally posted by LakeDaemon

SOE didn't abandon you.  You abandoned them. 

 

I'm not trolling.  Hear me out.

 

First, you have every right to take your money elsewhere.  If you left and found a home then good.  For you SOE-hating "cabalists" who just want to see SWG fail here are some words for you.

 

SOE is a business and it does everything to meet financial ends... period.. end of discussion.   None of this was personal.   The bottom line is that, for all its success on the user side, SWG couldn't be maintained as a financially viable business. I don't know how much more clear they can be on this.  The game, for better or worse, is now much more stable, far fewer bugs, easier for new players to get into, and has vastly more content.  The only problem is that the community isn't there.  Why? 

 

Because all you SOE-haters have abandoned your community.

 

Again, people have every right to move on and find a new game but don't say that SOE abandoned you. We all lost alot in the NGE.  SOE did what it had to do to keep SWG financially afloat.    If you are one of those who miss the old days, and you'd go back if the community was there, but hate SOE so much that you want to see NGE and SOE fail then I blame..

 

YOU

 

because the community starts with you and you are sitting here whining and moaning.   The dev team wont even listen to the community as a whole because of you.  They have to pick and choose who they can get feedback from because of the anti-nge rhetoric.  Thats where the disconnect is now.  You complain about them but its the community you are hurting.

 

I've said this before and Ill say it again.  It wasn't the old system that made it great, it was the vast community. The old system was just the framework. Perhaps it was better but it had major bugs and the community still adapted to the bugs and prospered.  Now that the framework has been fixed to be more stable you'd rather complain than give it a shot long enough to respark the old community back and adapt to the new framework.  

 

I hear alot of people say that they would resub 2,3, or 4 accounts if they brought back the old system and yet, it would cost a fraction of that to give the new system a shot long enough to respark the community.

 

Not only are you part of the problem but you are ruining the solution.

 

 

Wow, I don't know what to say. That may be the dumbest theory I've read here...

Seriously, bashing former players in a 'refugee' forum is dumb enough, but to blame them for the product is truely idiotic. Just wow...

"It's your fault for not liking to eat $#!& !!!" 

Originally posted by DarthMaulUK

He can't give you numbers because the whole genre just doesn't give out this kind of data. Its not in the public domain. And I have said time and time again who cares about the numbers? Just because Galaxies doesn't have 5million + playing like warcraft and just because it's no where near the 300k playing at launch - who cares?! WHO CARES?!

Since Galaxies launched back in 2003, so many more MMOs have come to the market and you expect decline after this period of time. I really am getting sick to death of people who clearly don't play the game and just login and post crap, as they have nothing better to do. 

The game has never been more fun! Get over it!

So lets be clear here.... SOE has talked about it's overall subs recently, and 2 companies with more subs then SOE talk about it... oh, and Linden too.... so it seems that subs are talked about, unless they make your game look bad...

Originally posted by Obraik

Heh, was waiting for someone to play the "I have a friend who works at SOE" card to be played :D

/yawn

/yawn

What? A server merge is the ONE thing SOE didn't do...

/ponder...

Originally posted by SWGLover

Vets, lol - I've likely played the game longer than most of the people that post here.

 

And you know that "most" vets don't like the NGE how, exactly? Did you take a poll, maybe? That's your opinion, and you have no fact to back that up, sorry.

Originally posted by BaronJuJu

 In order to "club" them? Thats your arguement? You have no clue of what the definition of base clubbing is do you. You are using the word itself to describe I mean how lazy is that.

Of course everyone is hanging out. you have to wait 10 min for the base to explode....the way the Dev's designed it. You don't like it, whine to them. But my gosh man, don't sit there and whine to folks using the ingame mechanics.

So you are telling me an ent can't place a tent near a base? Where is that in the dev design? I took the pictures while we were waiting for the timer as I have explained several times. You don't want to believe me fine thats your call.

"If there had been one group there, then you would have an arguement, but funny enough, the number of players actually defeats your arguement entirely."

Yup figured as much from you. I called that what, 3 posts prior? You run out of excuses and fall back to numbers. Simply trolling for an arguement now I see. 

I have not heard on ONE person EVER buying their way to Col from Private.

Then you never played preCU and all of this was for naught.

 

I think we see where you stand. You came in with no point and argued for nothing. You have no point, other than to say its wrong, and when told to explain yourself repeatedly,  you can't.  Folks were attacking and taking down bases as the dev's designed but but apparently you just can't believe it.

/shrug ah well.

This discussion is done, you failed...good night.

You were caught exploiting by you own photos. Make up any bull you want, call me what ever you like. You were "cheating". You are lying. You are sad for denying it, and attacking me for what you've done.

Guess what... Just because you don't admit it's base clubbing, doesn't mean it isn't. Even the SWG Dev's would agree it's Base Clubbing.

I won, deal with it. . <----- I pushed it, you lost. I don't need to come back to this thread. If you want a jolly, go read your past posts and your doubletalk. Then poke yourself with a fork, you're done Mr Exploiter.

You ARE an exploiter, and now everyone knows it.

Originally posted by BaronJuJu

*sigh , will you never answer the question?

I totally agree base clubbing is an exploit.

How is a group , no matter the size, taking down bases opposition forces set up an exploit? 

Base Clubbing is to use an overwhelming force to sit on enemy bases in order to "Club" them with numbers. By definition what you all were doing was Base Clubbing. Heck, look at the chat spam and everyone "hanging out". And are you telling me that the bases just happned to be so easily laid out that way, and the Ent just happened to place a Camp there?

If someone attacked you, which is not in any of the screenies, that doesn't change the fact that your groups intent was to "Club" the bases in the photos. No one ever said Base Clubber's couldn't be attacked, come on.

If there had been one group there, then you would have an arguement, but funny enough, the number of players actually defeats your arguement entirely.

Smuggler.

You could be a Col within an hour of signing up.

Not true, it was AMAZINGLY expensive to buy faction points, as intended. Could some afford to buy Col, sure, but only after working just as hard amassing a fortune as the guy who ran missions. I have not heard on ONE person EVER buying their way to Col from Private.

Ok, that's it, I've proven my point.

Originally posted by BaronJuJu

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Folks,

The clear message here is that we do not like the current implementation and it will be changed.  I expect base clubbing to be addressed between C6 and C7 as I do not want to hold C6 in TC waiting for this fix.

The Wikipedia definition of an online gamin exploit is as follows:


In the realm of online games, an exploit is usually a software bug, hack or bot that contributes to the user's prosperity in a manner not intended by the developers.

I can safely state under this definition that we consider base clubbing an exploit.  Will people be banned who used it?  No. 

And Ebonymoore, you need to try some decaf because Virrago is getting twitchy...You don't want that.

DM

 

So using your "logic" please explain what bug, hack or bot  folks were supposedly using when they had folks go in and set the terminals off (as it was designed) then sit there for 10 minutes for them to blow up (as it was designed)? I figured you would have at least attempted to answer it since you were so sure. I know Col was an very easy grind and meaningless preCU and that actually having to put a bit of effort into making ranks now with the great rewards to boot upsets some former vets now but thats the breaks.

I know we preCU folks are very knowledgeable of exploiting since that was a common theme preCU with fightclubbing, log on/off to avoid death and detection and credit duping to name a few of the more popular ones, but playing the game by the rules set out by the DEV's is not an exploit. Sorry to burst your bubble.

I'm going to ignore your juvenile personal attacks, and speak to the point, like a big boy...

DM's quote and your Wiki quote make the point for me, so thank you. Read the red. The Dev's did not intend for Base Clubbing to occur, as has been said for some time now, and as DM refers to in that quote.

And that's the end of that debate, period. Base Clubbing is an Exploit.

Now, you prove your true intent by claiming Col Pre-CU was easy to obtain. It was FAR from easy Pre-CU, and was a real accomplishment. It was not easily obtained, and could not be gained through standing around with people exploiting.

An arguement can be made about "if Pre-CU Col had meaning", but to those of us that did achieve it, it had a deep meaning like all things that you earned with hard work Pre-CU.

Reading your last paragraph, you prove your hypocrisy. You claim Base Clubbing isn't an exploit (even though the Dev's think it is)because it's a designed mechanic, then claim fight clubbing was although it too was a designed mechanic.

Last, grow up and stop the personal attacks, you look like fool...

Originally posted by charliehustl

Now there is nothing wrong with what the picture he posted shows. You actually have a good time socializing and when imps and rebs show up you have some pretty darn good pvp battles. 

Again no matter what anyone post you guys will never accept it. Nothing will ever be good enough there will always be some excuse.

Now, I see no Rebs fighting on the overhead... don't get me wrong, I think it's great that there's some social gaming going on... but this is supposed to be a good GCW system? Is this REALLY the way General should be earned?

Now, what am I not accepting? I said the pop was large in the pic, so what exactly am I denying? Is it as high as Pre-CU, heck no, but it's the largest group I've seen since the NGE hit, and if I were playing that would make me happy.

Now if you ask me if the GCW system is good enough, I'd say HELL NO... sorry, but this is just sad... not the social part, but that this is what the GCW has come to... setting up camps and Clubbing bases... that's Iconic?

Originally posted by BaronJuJu
LOL thanks for proving my point, and in record time I may add! I can read you kids like a book (comic) Call yourself a kid first, young'in...

First, were you upset its Bloodfin?  Yeah, real upset... I almost cried...

So its exploting when the opposing faction puts down bases and we find them and blow them up, while fighting reb players? It is when the Dev's say it is... and taht's what YOUR community says is happening... and what Reb players? Please... You're Base Clubbing, and you know it...  You guys are reaching for anything now. Pot, meet Kettle... Tell me what part of the mechanics were we exploiting? According to your Dev's, Base Clubbing is exploiting... If that's not the case, prove it... Oh oh I know...we should have had less folks right? Ah I see, then when I took the photos then you guys would cry server populations being low.

LOL, its like the never ending whine fest for you all. I'm sorry, I though I introduced you to Mr Kettle...  Everything was legit, I know thats tough to comprehend but thats the facts. Is it now... tell you what, go ask on the O-Forums and see what the "facts" are, then come back here and make claims... If you think it wasn't please elaborate. I just asked an old friend who plays still, and he confirmed that base Clubbing is considered an exploit, but SOE has done nothing to stop it.

"that's how a REAL General would do it" ROFL. Oh please wise one, enlighten us with your knowledge of military tactics. I'd be happy to... you sad excuses for PVP'ers are Clubbing bases to grind/exploit your way to General Rank, rather then earning it. I gues we should have waited until enough rebs showed up to outnumber us, buffed and set up, then try and take it right?Try 1/10th the number of Reb's... you're not fighting anyone, you might as well be Clubbing baby seals... LOL. Basic military strategy, hit them, and hit them hard, when they are not expecting it. And then hang out, and put up camps and sit around emoting and chatting rather then doing ANY real fighting... YOU'RE CAMPING THEM... As I said, some rebs tried to defend but in the end we outnumbered them. Yeah, I think I saw 2 blue dots... what a fight... so why aren't you at any of the PVP areas grinding Faction? Oh yeah, you'ld all rather stand around doing nothing while racking up GCW points from undefended bases... I mean, why risk loosing trying to take an actual REAL PVP base... let's get REB Alt's to drop some bases and Club them!  Fight smarter not harder. Or exploit... 

Now, I can't post on the OF's, so I can't just ask if base Clubbing is still consider exploiting, but at the VERY least it's EXTREAMLY poor game design. You see, this is what current players have to do to because GCW system is so unbalanced... exploit mechanics to grind up to General... and what a way to earn it... boy, missing all that excitement you guys are having standing around in Ent camps is making me sad I'm not there to stand around either...

Tell you what, prove me wrong and start an OF thread with the title "Is base clubbing cheating?", then ask what people think about it... I'm sure you'll get some great feedback from your fellow players...