Originally posted by saay

 

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

 

Originally posted by saay

 

Originally posted by ArcAngel3

 

I think there's a link to this post from the SOE boards in another thread, but I wanted to copy and paste it here so people can clearly see just how desperate things are getting.

From the SOE boards: "I've noticed that not enough people are playing Star Wars Galaxies and I and others would love to not see this be gone (in future). That is why I say we act. I want everyone to fill up video game forums about how good this game is compared to others. Go to game stores and try to make the game the center of attention. Recommend the game to people in game stores. Put games over other games to hide them like a Galaxies game over a WOW. Tell your friends to play. Put an add of it on community notice boards. Whatever to make more people to play. And by doing all this, we might see more new stuff. Who here is with me.

THE TIME IS NOW TO BRING SWG TO ITS GLORY!"

The reason people don't play is because SWG has already been the center of attention for its buggy early release, current bug-ridden state, its paid expansion bait and switch, and the complete dismantling and rebuilding of the core game mechanics twice.  Each time this was done, player progress was thrown to the wind, except that the second time went further than the first.

After all of this happened and SOE promised never to do anything like that again, they revamped the game's entire faction system, and all players lost all of their faction ranks, pets and other perks; they had to start from scratch.  Also, all players that had tamed and raised creatures in one of the two earlier versions of the game finally got access to their pets again after a 2 year waiting period.  The catch?  They have to hatch and raise any and all of these creatures once again from scratch.  All the work they put into finding, taming and raising the pets: wiped out.  

Furthermore, much of the games "new" content has been SOE adding things back to the game, one small piece at a time, that THEY themselves removed from the game with their two game overhauls.  So people have been strung along with promises of new content, that is really just only a partial restoration of what they already had before.

People aren't in the dark about SWG.  They know all about this game, that's why many of the servers are so empty.

Putting boxes of the SWG starter kit in front of boxes of WoW is not what this game needs to be successful, but it does sound like a strategy that's consistent with how SOE has managed the game up to this point. 

Fix long-standing bugs? Honour player progress? Deal honestly and respectfully with consumers?  Nah, just put a box of SWG in front of the WoW box at your local video game store...amazing.

No new content? heroics, collections, player space station, new ships, storyteller, advanced decorating, GCW(armor, weapons, vehicles).

 

You clearly are in the dark about this game.

This is one player's idea, have a look at the rest of the forums, they are in discussion threads raisng issues such as bugs and content, fixing them. This is just another take. Honour player progress? when since the NGE have they ruined this? How havent the new developers dealt honestly and respectfully with customers?

Lets break it down shall we?

 

 

Heroics: A joke of a content upgrade if you can even call it that. Just a handfull of "raid" style mobs that just take a lot of people to take it down. Combat and rewards are all bland and "grindaholics" covering up back game play and slow slow slow slow leveling grinds.

 

Collections: A pathetic attempt at a stored "random" quested system that could be done within 1week of work using an online guide with mediocre rewards. -Weak

 

Player Space Station: Uh, LOL no.....those are not in the game. A player cannot simply build their own space station and store their ships etc etc. Nice try, but no....thats not in SWG nor do they support the mechanics for such a venture. If your talking about player "dock-able" and "walk-on-able" stations, see the nooby station that you probably missed by skipping the tutorial. It's not even a station, its just a zoned hotel with several elevator levels.

 

Storyteller: A minor addition to the game for people who like to roleplay and do "Events". An all around good idea, however, with as low as the population is now theres no point anymore. All this is used for anymore is pissing a LOT of people off by tricking them into thinking they are real spawns in the middle of no where, or blocking someone's house/harvy.

Advanced Decorating: LOL, not really sure I have to go into this, what a sad "tack" on to your "pointofendlessness" bud.

New Ships: WOW, a whole 4 new ships! A shiny new faction based POB that we have been shooting at for the longest time that would have taken them NO time at all to implement for player use. Seriously, they just took current NPC gunships and made a UI and walkable interior for them. No real new modeling or anything. O, and don't forget the pathetic Episode 1 Naboo fighter for neutral pilots :eyeroll:. This isn't enough content for even a quarter of a publish. I laughed my pants off when I saw they were promoting this as the "General" basis for the publish update. Aside from the pathetic star destroyer heroic quest.

 

GCW (armor,weapons,vehicles): NOT NEW, this is NOT new content. This has been in game FOREVER. What your most likely responding to are the GCW vehicles people finally got the rank and GCW points to purchase, even though they've been out since the GCW revamp (more like a dusting).

 

Any vet who knows SWG knows most of this can't even be considered new content (aside from the heroic encounters, whom are pathetic in their own right to enforce more hardcore grinding for mediocre rewards to cover for bad gameplay and poor decisions). Please, don't try to argue pointless things like this as we will only shoot you down with the cold hard truth called LIFE in x-SWG.

Ok, just allow my to plunge my hands into this post and rip it apart.

 

Heroics: you clearly know nothing about these. It's pretty much all new art aside from the city of mos espa. Each of them has various stages at which different things are required whether it be defending, clearing, tanking, using certain elementals, knowing what to attack, know what order to do things, knowing what professions to use etc etc. For example in the Tusken King instance, when liberating the city you have a choice of where to send citizens to first, different places will grant different benefits, such as sending them to the Med center will eventually spawn NPC medics who help and heal. This is no taken from WoW, many games have done it, its not a  "stolen idea". How is this grindaholic? for sure its nowhere near as grindy as Pre-NGE.

Collections: You're not meant to do grind it, you're meant to do it as you go along. Theres all different types from killing/ to finding/ to looting to completing certain tasks etc. Most of the rewards are damn good, quite alot of new stuff in there.

Space Station: Ok possibly the weakest part of my argument, and i shouldnt have used "player" but still its a step in the right direction to player owned ones.

Storyteller: Lets be honest, its not that minor, being able to build forts, put up NPC guards, as many as you like, all different types, choose the loot which you get when you kill them, add effects and sounds, have dog fight animations show in the sky. Population is fine actually, ive attented quite a few brilliant Storyteller events. And to the person who posted in first reply to my originaly post - gets you to do Pex's work? thats THE most pathetic argument ive heard on this forum - incase it hadnt occured to you some people like being creative and choosing how they do things, not to mention being able to do it whenever they want instead of having to wait for months. On top of this they added new stuff which Pex could never use. The events Pex does attend are all the better with his work and storyteller combined.

New ships: taken no time to add? the only thing that was already there was the skin of the outside, they had to create all the interior, do the art,  fix it all up, do all the weapons, make it fly etc etc Pathetic chapter? Huge new heroic, brand new art, 4 new ships, lots of new crafted parts, many bugs fixed, loads of collections added, space collections and rewards. Whole update of waypointing to make it much more useful and easy to use.

Advance decoration: it does mean something actually, it creates endless possibilities for decorators, of which there are many.

GCW: i was talking about the GCW revamp in the NGE that added the factional BARC, the weapon set, the armor, the system, the banners the skills etc. This IS new.

Expertise: I also forget to mention BM and the upcoming Droid commander.

Now, what do you consider as great content added? tell me what you think should be added? (that doesnt include - rollback! or proffessions) and also, which numerous content updates did we get Pre-NGE?

basically everything you've done in the nge in the past 2 years but i'll point them out.

patch 1: we got the nightsister cave, fort tusken, kimo town, factional bases plus tons of grinding caves.

patch 3: we got the warren, nyms stronghold, cries of alderaan.

patch 4: we got mounts and player cities, and the quest for RIS armor.

patch 5: we got vehicles and saber TEF's.

patch 6: we got themepark revamps, vehicle customization, perma death removed, trivia librarian.

patch 7: we got combat droids, pvp bh missions, vertical item movement, new mounts and parking garages.

patch 9: we got the jedi revamp, loot kits, improved hero of tatooine.

patch 10: we got the village of aurilla, the death watch bunker.

patch 11: we got jump to lightspeed, entertainer quests.

patch 13: we got vet rewards, 20 more space missions.

patch 14: we got secrets of the syren, GCW revamp.

patch 15: CU.......

patch 16: we got rage of the wookiees.

patch 17: we got multi passenger vehicles.

i'll just stop there cause it basically goes downhill. your a freaking tool man, play your nge if it's so good and stay off the vet forum.

and yes the trials of obi wan was prenge as well.

Haha, she's a LARP'r and a Boffer, lame.

Originally posted by Zorgo

Originally posted by -Thraxor-

Originally posted by Zorgo

rabble rabble rabble

  

 

What does that have to do with the price of tea in china or SWG?   

Was he talking about SWG? Yes.

Have they done free toon xfers there? No.  

Should SWG have some free toon xfers so folks can move from desolate servers? Yes

 

Does your rant about Everquest or Vanguard have much to do with the subject of SWG? No, not really.

And does your rant about my post have anything to do with the OP's question? Sure this is the SWG forum, but he decided to broaden his hatred beyond SWG, in fact not even mention that game and make a false blanket statement about SOE.

Look man, I didn't rant. I have misgivings about SOE just like everyone else here. But I am intelligent enough to be skeptical for the right reasons and not made up reasons like 'SOE is evil because they don't allow free transfers' - which is simply not true. The OP ranted, I responded with the facts, I am labelled the 'ranter'....again, all you do is expose your predjudice. Hate SOE for real reasons, don't start making stuff up.

ummm.....the OP needs to be more precise, he specifically said 'SOE  has never allowed merges', not 'SOE has never for Star Wars'.......sorry for addressing what he actually said.

I guess if the OP hadn't made such a broad statement, my response would have been, 'there has never been a need for free merges in that game, pre-CU/pre-NGE there was a dismal population in the game, not necessary - post pre-CU/post-NGE there was an even more dismal population really not necessary -like many others have said.

Blizzard has a  need for free merges in WoW, SOE doesn't - there's your answer.

Jeeze man, how clear do i have to be? This is a SWG forum and SOE is the publisher. Alot of people are concerned about low server populations thus the highlighted area..some people feel SOE should offer this but refuse.

Originally posted by Slampig

I might be totally in the minority...but I hope this "new" BioWare MMO is NOT a Star Wars game...

 

I want originality...not some boring ass game we all have played before...

 

Oh...and I might just get a giggle when all the "Vets" are done like a turkey...

 

 

What are you rambling on about? .........bored huh?....... wanna troll huh?

Originally posted by airstrike

Extremly old news.

uhh yeah, i don't really keep up if you know what i mean.......

i seriously LOL'd in IRL. This has got to be the most hurtin thing i've seen in swg. Obraik has one in his sig and if you go to the SOE forums there is some mando's wearing them. It's obviously the new item of the UBER LEET which even makes it more hurting. i can't believe they won't make a jetpack skin backapack but they will make that POS. What game is this? It's certainly not star wars. Laugh at the level 90 mage!

www.imagedump.com/index.cgi

We will be offering free character moves from selected high population realms to lower populated realms, assisting in population dispersal. The ability to move a character on the selected source realms will become available on Thursday, January 31 at 3:00 PM PST, and are scheduled to run until Thursday, February 7 at 3:00 PM PST.

forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html

Oh, because they are $OE........but it certainly would solve their population problems. Instead of Nge fanbois coming over here in the futile attempt to bring vets back.

Originally posted by druarc

This is both funny and sad, I can't believe you people are still upset over the NGE, it's a game.

Forget about it move on, get on with your lives find a new game.

I know I have.

Originally posted by salvaje

The problem SOE has is a double edged sword.

They continue to maintain the NGE as the core game, which itself is the reason why most of us left. 

The NGE was not aimed at us, which is one reason why it's so unappealing.

But in their reaction, they've been throwing junk onto the NGE designed to attempt to hang on to their diminished player base (which is majority Pre-NGE) by reintroducing NGE'd versions of pre NGE stuff which isn't going to appeal to the base that the NGE was designed to appeal to, thus making it less likely to draw anyone who never played pre NGE in.

Their plan to try to lure vets back isn't working and never will work because they don't do anything about the reason why we left, which is the NGE.

SOE, and the fanbois need to accept this and suck it up, move on, and "get over it". 

Just as SOE would not talk to us about rollbacks, we aren't going to talk to SOE about returning without classic servers.  Keeping the NGE as the only available game core is simply NOT a point of negotiation if they do, indeed, wish to bring back former players.  I think we've proven our resolve by now.  There simply isn't anything that SOE can do to the NGE engine that will EVER bring back a significant number of former players. 

The fanbois and Devs have been laboring under a delusion that somewhere there is a "magic bullet" publish that will suddenly end our objection to the game and bring us back.

Well, actually such a publish does exist.  It's called publish anything prior to Pub 25 (pre Pub 15 preferred) to a live server.

The NGE will NEVER bring you back more returning players than you continue to lose.   Get over it.

 

 

yeah i like pub 12.1 - 23. pub 24 is when the squad leader became way to overpowered with paint target. when a master rifleman/ squad leader can take out a master defender in 1 hit something is wrong.

Originally posted by Darkened

 

Originally posted by salvaje

Simply put, what the fanbois, SOE, and their lackeys on the "senate" need to understand is that 200K+ of us are gone.  We left BECAUSE of the NGE, and there isn't anything they can POSSIBLY add to the NGE, no matter HOW many Devs they hire, even if they come out with a "chapter" a WEEK that will EVER bring us back.

We aren't coming back.

Get used to the tiny (and shrinking) populations on your servers.

There is nothing you can say or do, short of re-instating our game (and that might not even do it) that will bring us back.  At this point, why should we settle for ANYTHING short of that, having held out this long?

We are gone.

Get over it.

 

 

Pub9 Master Scout/Rifleman/Marksman/Brawler/Fencer here.

 

Your game is never coming back, it might just be me, but I wasn't aware that 4 years worth of whining would bring PreCU back.

There is nothing you can say or do to change that.

SOE doesn't give a rats ass about you or any other players that played at release or upto the CU or NGE.

Held out? so your own poorly formed expectations are SOE's fault as well? how rich.

Lackeys on the senate? holy christ I won't even dignify that with a response, your a lost cause mate.

News flash chief, you played the game for a period of time in a past incarnation, most NGE players have more "veteran" time invested into the game than you ever did or ever will, however those of us that actually stuck with the game and kept on playing are the real vets, not you pathetic whining saps that have done nothing but cry for SOE to rollback "your" game for the past 4 years.

Talk about a false sense of self entitlement.

 

You just stuck with it cause it's star wars... you know it sucks! you probably couldn't compete in the real game and have a crapload of items and credits and i understand, i know it's hard to let go.

I have to say something about  the highlighted part, none of those so called vets don't know how to play the game. they aren't explorers or crafters, try to find a crate of capped primus cores on bria. Its damn near impossible.  You have to special order them from a PRE-NGE crafter. Anything you need anymore for crafting has to be ordered. All those NGE vets have a combat fotm and a crafter grinding junk loot to sell power bits. The game is totally laid out for them through word of mouth from the elders or guides. We were the ones who created the galaxies, explored the regions built the cities and found out what to do, i swear that no character that played after nov 15 2005 ever created a metropolis. It's all pre-Nge  that means US > them

Originally posted by ajax7

 

Originally posted by Dracis

 

Originally posted by ajax7

 

Originally posted by dokar

 

Originally posted by ajax7

 

Originally posted by murphys123

I have tried to come back a couple times as well. I have been totally willing (regretfully) to lower my expectaions for the ability to play in the SWG universe again. The combat is what drives me away every time. It feels so clunky and archaic; there are no ui settings or mods that can do enough to improve the akward combat. I am not happy with most aspects of the current game, but I can look past a lot of them...just not the combat.

Hate to disagree but I will, combat is very similar to the CU now and its actully harder than it was in PRE-CU.  In Pre-CU days you got buffed by a Dr. and you where Superman for 3 hr's with the I win button pressed. The game is more challeging now than before maybe thats why your having problems.

 

Yes the ui is crap but that is why many many of us the UI mod that brings back the the PRE-CU ui for use.

Sorry but the changes with chapter 6 hurt the population more than it helped it..

 

It has nothing to do with an I win button it's about haivng something wothwhile to keep you busy while you wait for your friends/guilds to come online. Now instead of doing those things people just log. If you can't see that as bad for health of the game then you are blind.

Noone asked for all NPC's changed it but a vocal few. What most people wanted was NEW harder content not all the old stuff we were doing to pass the time made harder.

All it did was make the 12 million extra xp we have to grind from 80 to 90 now worthless since we are no stronger than we were at CL80 . Making peoples accomplishments and efforts worthless is what gutted the game int he first place.

add to that specials and heals still misfire and npc's still shoot through walls and floors.

You must not know how to play with the right expertise you can solo anything but gold elites which you are not suppose to solo but group.

 

A two person group can example BH and a Medic can solo Gold elites. So theres Plenty to do! Last Saturday I went Krayt hunting with a Medic friend and we killed 70 Krayts in about 2.5 hours.

It sure seems you want a easy I win button.

There was no "I win" button even with Doc buffs pre-CU. In fact, during pre-CU you needed a larger group than just two people to kill Krayt's for the most part. Killing 70 of them just goes to show how far the game has slipped. Krayt's were meant to be a rare thing and killing them an accoplishment. Now they're just a grind for a collection.

 

The thing is combat is nothing like it was pre-CU and mob difficulty is not what should have been adjusted. The continuing process of penalzing players for grouping, or limiting the amount of missions they can do, or giving players one huge grind to fill their time is not content. Even on the offical forums there are more bugs listed than ever and the more that's added, the buggier it gets. It's just a simple fact that you can not layer code, upon code, upon code and get a better system.

You make me Laugh PRE-CU Two people could solo Krayts same as we can now you must not have been in the right Guild 1 Jedi and a Master Doctor could do it.

 

In fact there where some that could Solo-Krayts Pre-CU but it took a long time.

Combat is better now after chpt 6 its just right.

Get your facts straight please geezzze.

maybe in the last 6 months of Pre-cu after all the resources spawned for good Armor, Weapons, Buffs, Stims, Foods, Drinks, Spice. Depends what point in time your talking about, the first year of Pre-cu was a lot more Difficult than the last. But yes you are correct.

Actually if i decided to resub on a clean account that's the profession i would try, the contraband sounds decent and i hear the melee smuggy's are alot like fencer. Regardless smugglers should be able to craft spice and slice.

Originally posted by BadgerSmaker

Originally posted by Suvroc

 

Interesting.

I'm I to understand then that that you'd rather be playing a pre-CU version of the game?

Secondly, why do you feel you need to "work with them" when you paid them to entertain you?

My philosophy is they need to accomodate me, not me accomodate them. I don't buy a product to make compromises, and I can't understand how anyone could.

Pre-CU was certainly a lot of fun, but it had its problems, unbalanced combat, bugs galore and a real lack of content.

I'm a problem solver by trade, I love playing SWG in my spare time and I when I see people having issues with the game I want to help them enjoy it as much as I do.

If you remember near the CU ( if your talking about ranged vs melee balance ) it was almost just right. Nge they just took all the melee classes out and made jedi paladins and said " yes balance" I guess they are bringing back crafted schems but that's just another thing that they took out and put back in so they can look like hero's

Originally posted by shukes33

I admit to not knowing everything about this whole thing but what i have noticed is that smedley and co have on numerous occasions admitted that it was a huge mistake and one that they wont make again! i dont know the guy so i can't say if he will stick to that at all but one thing i can clearly see.....your asking them to do exactly the same thing again! in all your "morale" arguments you actually would be hppy if soe did exactly the same thing to guys like me, who has only been playing the game for 2 weeks and i'm inoccent in ll this....so why would you smile if soe changed the game completely for me? all you would be doing is showing companys that it's ok to change the game as long as you bow down to the majority eventually and change it back..in the process doing exactly the same to the present player base.

So please dont claim morales and such if you then state that the only way you would come back is if soe did the same to us present players.

at least they would know it was the right decision this time, if there was a rollback. we are just asking for a couple servers, pristine galaxies per say. not a rollback to pre-cu

publish 9, Cu, Nge, we got screwed over lots. You get nerfs not combat changes.

Originally posted by ajax7

1. A large number of people use the PRE-CU interface mod which makes the gome so much more enjoyable. I also use it would never play with out the mod.

2. BH is not good to lvl with, Jedi is what you lvl with because you can lvl a whole lot faster with Jedi then respect to BH which is powerful at lvl 90.

3. Did you use your experise points? If you didn't then that may be why combat  seems so bland a lot of new people don't under stand that you have to pick and choose your template build through the expertise they gain.

4. The friendly people is one of the reasons I play this game Starsider has a good population and is a very friendly server.

5. Sorry you didn't like the game but 20 lvl's does not get you to the real content on Mustafar, Wookie world or the new Heric Instances which a re really fun to do with groups.

6. Did you join a guild didn't read like you did big mistake there.

7. I think you would have better off transfering your lvl 80 toon over to a new server but hey thats just me.

Good luck playing hack and slash games or WoW clones as they become know sorry you did not like the game. But I came back in chpt 5 and have enjoyed my return. New guild new city new fun.

 

that's just wrong......

Originally posted by BadgerSmaker

 

Originally posted by Raston

The point is, on a purely idealogical level, we can't let it go.  If we let it go and SWG beats the odds and succeeds, it will open the doors to other companies trying the same thing.  It will encourage game companies to discard their player base in hopes of a larger one with some history on their side.

 

Any gaming company that dares try to repeat the mistakes of SWG CU and NGE will be doomed to failure, SWG is only just starting to recover from those monumental changes that had a largely negative effect on the playerbase (I'm refering to the players that did prefer the CU, nobody liked the NGE) and it seems that SoE has at least learnt their lesson well and is beginning to attone for it by basing their publish plans directly on player feedback.

No they haven't badger, that's just ridiculous. did players ask for a space revamp? did players ask for the collections system? did they ask for the village all shiny and new? the only publish in the last year that the players wanted was beastmaster and it wasn't CH. the bug bash was just a big vacation. They  still hear the cries on the forums for Pre-CU so they add a little something to keep the players biting..Meanwhile not adding the content the players really want like how long have smugglers been asking for content? after 2 years they add animations back. i don't want to go on anymore, what you said is total BS.

Awsome, you went in with  a open mind at least.

Originally posted by salvaje

Simply put, what the fanbois, SOE, and their lackeys on the "senate" need to understand is that 200K+ of us are gone.  We left BECAUSE of the NGE, and there isn't anything they can POSSIBLY add to the NGE, no matter HOW many Devs they hire, even if they come out with a "chapter" a WEEK that will EVER bring us back.

We aren't coming back.

Get used to the tiny (and shrinking) populations on your servers.

There is nothing you can say or do, short of re-instating our game (and that might not even do it) that will bring us back.  At this point, why should we settle for ANYTHING short of that, having held out this long?

We are gone.

Get over it.

 

 

THAT NGE GAME SUUUUCCCCKKKKKKKSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=525963

this is on the duck TC @ 12am on a wed night, Pre-CU is pretty much back, combat wise. have fun in the NGE as more people leave in droves.

Any pre-CU vet will know what location that is, i don't know how many people that play the nge have ever been there.

no the CU reduced group size to 8