Originally posted by thamighty213

 

Originally posted by Vrazule

 

Originally posted by miagisan

Originally posted by Celestian

I still don't understand why people act like this fella is some be all end all MMO guru. UO? Yeah it was ok, it's a MUD and Ultima... SWG? How many people on this site rip that game a new one daily?

I can't think of a single thing he's done for MMOs then now or between. All he seems to do is say lot of pseudo mumbo jumbo that never comes about.

the nGE yes it is ripped daily...the old game..not so much :P He designed the original...not the NGE

 

Despite what the old school purists may say or believe, Pre-CU / Pre-NGE was not a great game.  It had a ton of issues and was only fun for hardcores.  As a matter of fact, there are more subscribers to SWG now than there were before the changes.  That to me says a lot.

There's a good reason why they don't revert back to the old system or offer an old school server set.

Oh and as for Raph, he's nothing more than a "Brad McQuaid" of the sci-fi mmo.  Old school, outdated, outmoded and generally unwanted in the genre.

Ha jeebus you are a moron.

 

 

A: it wasnt for hardcores.

B: SWG Pre Cu had 450k subscribers SWG now has 45k how the hell is that more you imbecile.

C: Koster is a god his vision of mmo's is how games should be virtual worlds not linear grind fests

No he's not a moron... just wrong.  The only thing he's right about is that the game was broken... It was when i beta tested and it was when it got released.

As to Koster.... He's the one that destroyed SWG in the first place by trying something impossible to design correctly.

Get over it.... LMAO.   Don't you guys think it's time to move on now and stop bashing this sorry (since day 1 btw) game?

Originally posted by sabutai22

WAR is nothing new except the standard run of the mill cookie-cut level based grind fest! Even the UI looks and feels just like WoW.

AoC is no exception, both of these games are nothing more than game designers, developers and companies trying to steal market share away from WOW in order to make money!

bah, i hate the fact that here we are in 2008 and all people can come up with are carbon copy's of games that have been around since the 1990's!

 

But your just a troll

I played for about 3 hrs yesterday (haven't played in a while) and i haven't crashed once.

To me, that is big improvements.

OP, according to your first couple lines, you will LOVE EQ2 PVP.

That is, of course, if you can master it.

If you can't master it, you will get frustrated.

And yes, you have benefits.  Ranks, Perks (stuff you can buy from special NPC), Money/items for kills, etc...

I think SOE are doing a great job with VG.  Kinda like what they did with EQ2.

I still crash (hard), but thats cause my Power Supply sucks...

Originally posted by sandage

Lord of the rings online beats Everquest 2 on Mmoprg.com

In rating Lotro now has 8.2 and EQ2 has 8.1 only Tabula Rasa is higher, but thats only becouse its just released and still have to get a ballanced rating , all new games have a high rating at first. Dont think much people care about Tabula Rasa anyhow. I think its great to see that Lotro finaly has beaten EQ2 on Mmorpg.com, keep up the great work Turbine 

Nice work, you were able to lower EQ2 from .1 with your bazillion MMORPG.com account.

Originally posted by DailyBuzz

Originally posted by Morgaur

Gameplay 6/10
The Gameplay in Vanguard is not more exciting than most of the mmos out there. Choose a target, pull with something, hit the standard buttons for hit for 40hp +12, stun, kick etc etc. V:SOH have finishers, counterattacks etc that can trigger sometimes but this is the standard overrated stuff. Its nothing new here. EQ2 had a more exciting system called Heroic Opportunities. You train at a trainer and get upgrades for the same spells xxx number of times, but some spells drop from mobs later, which is good

VG has a "weakness" system that allows classes to cause weaknesses and exploit those caused by others (and in rare cases your own). It's a convoluted system and is not citical for success in battle. However, use of the weakness system provides more combat depth for those that wish to persue it, and can be immensely powerful if used properly.

Just because a huge wheel doesn't pop up on the screen and your abilities don't start flashing, it doesn't mean that there is no cooperative combat present.

 

This is something people always forgets about the VG combat.  It is a little "deeper" then the other games.

Originally posted by Quingu

Originally posted by Cabe2323

Originally posted by MMO2007

Originally posted by zaxtor99

In six months, Lord of the Rings Online will reach a MINIMUM of 3 MILLION subscribers. Just watch. Laugh now. Flame now. Whatever. But wait the six months and come back and throw this in my face if I am wrong.

- Zaxx

you're completely wrong because lotro has poor content. And can't fight against AOC and WAR  (that's why turbine launches it now, he has 6 months from april to october ) Lotro is cool but has the lowest content of all MMORPG's played with.

200 000 subs in april (maybe)
100 000 in 3 months
50 000 in 6 months  (Founder offer 6 months and ... cancel
- 10 000 in december (no isengard no minas tirith etc): only founder offer/for life (5000 boxes + 5000 others imo)
was in beta since december 2006 and i'm not going to subscribe not even take the standard box.
BUT my account isn't closed :) so turbine could say my account = 1 subscription

Lol,  This is completely rediculous.  LOTRO is a PVE game it will not compete directly with AOC or WAR.  Those games will be fighting each other for subscribers (which in my opinion WAR will win)  and also fighting WoW for subscribers.  LOTRO also has more content then WoW released with.  I forget the exact number of quests but there were more in LOTRO then in WoW.   Also, Turbine is releasing their first free content update in June.  This will add more quests, more Monster Play stuff, a whole new zone, and some more stuff. 

So anyone who thinks the game is going away is just fooling themselves.  LOTRO is going to be a major force in the MMO world.  I personally think it will end up with more subscribers then any other NA/EU MMO not named WoW.  Will it beat WoW's worldwide numbers?  Heck no.  Can it possibly beat WoW's NA/EU numbers?  Possibly.  I could see the NA servers somewhere in the 700K-1million range.  But I can see the EU servers blowing up and being over 2 Million.  The game is even more popular in Europe then here in the US. 

WOW started with 1000 quests, LOTRO started with 2100 quests, they adding 60 new quests on first content update.

Source please.  thanks!

Originally posted by zaxtor99

In six months, Lord of the Rings Online will reach a MINIMUM of 3 MILLION subscribers. Just watch. Laugh now. Flame now. Whatever. But wait the six months and come back and throw this in my face if I am wrong.

- Zaxx

Will do.

Originally posted by Shadrak

 

Originally posted by Shadrak

the difference is night and day! As i Stated in my last post I am amazed!

My rig-

Intel Pentium III 500 oc'd to 625

Supermicro P6SBA Motherboard

Celestia PC-100 3.3v CAS-3 unbuffered SDRAM - 2x512

STB Black Magic3D Voodoo3

 

I get a steady 85 fps in khal and 100+ in all outside areas. My FPS doesnt drop below 40 and I experience none of the hitching from before. Hvanet crashed once either since my return! And Im getting group invites before Ive fully loaded into the world! 

oops, how embarrassing. I copy/pasted in the wrong PC specs.

 

Gaming Rig-

 Intel® Core™2 Extreme Quad-Core QX6850

4GB Corsair PC8500C5D DDR2

320GB 10K RPM RAPTOR SATA

NVIDIA GeForce 8800 ULTRA 768 MB Liquid Cooled

 

Now that makes more sense :)

Originally posted by charlizd

Originally posted by matraque

Originally posted by sandage

Originally posted by openedge1

 

Originally posted by sandage

Well if you want that , i dont understand why you started playing Lord of the Rings Online, The devs said thay would go the Safe route and it was clearly advertised as beinig a traditinal mmo, whit casual gameplay and nothing groudbreaking.

Honestly if you don't like the game then don't play it...

That is correct. Reason why it has nothing "Different" as you have stated...

 

You first say all of the items noted in your post are "different"...yet in the above post, you say it has nothing "ground breaking"...so, I am confused...which is it.

I don't know how many braincells you have , but a game can be diffrent whitout beinig groundbreaking.
As i posted before, but im getting used to that your not a good reader.

Wow... sad signature.

 

And i'm wondering where you got you 800K... It's actually 300k as of oct 07

im not gonna turn this into another Subscription war but atleast he has a graph to show the 800k can u prove there is only 300k as of oct 07? Not bashing u i just hate how ppl like to say that some 1 is wrong but then have no actual proof that hey are right them selves.

Yeah, i used the website he linked.  Just take a look.

http://mmogdata.voig.com/ --> subscription and only show LOTRO.

Originally posted by Shadrak

the difference is night and day! As i Stated in my last post I am amazed!

My rig-

Intel Pentium III 500 oc'd to 625

Supermicro P6SBA Motherboard

Celestia PC-100 3.3v CAS-3 unbuffered SDRAM - 2x512

STB Black Magic3D Voodoo3

 

I get a steady 85 fps in khal and 100+ in all outside areas. My FPS doesnt drop below 40 and I experience none of the hitching from before. Hvanet crashed once either since my return! And Im getting group invites before Ive fully loaded into the world! 

Hmm... rly?

Nothing illegal here... Not sure why you are actually posting that.  Maybe a post in the "I hate SOE" thing would have served you better.

As for it's state,

It's already better then it was.  So SOE did improved the game.  Kudos to them.

As for a Re-Launch, i'm all for that.

Originally posted by sandage

Originally posted by openedge1

 

Originally posted by sandage

Well if you want that , i dont understand why you started playing Lord of the Rings Online, The devs said thay would go the Safe route and it was clearly advertised as beinig a traditinal mmo, whit casual gameplay and nothing groudbreaking.

Honestly if you don't like the game then don't play it...

That is correct. Reason why it has nothing "Different" as you have stated...

 

You first say all of the items noted in your post are "different"...yet in the above post, you say it has nothing "ground breaking"...so, I am confused...which is it.

I don't know how many braincells you have , but a game can be diffrent whitout beinig groundbreaking.
As i posted before, but im getting used to that your not a good reader.

Wow... sad signature.

And i'm wondering where you got you 800K... It's actually 300k as of oct 07

Never got that bug :)

Originally posted by Quingu

Originally posted by matraque

Originally posted by Quingu

 

Originally posted by openedge1

 

Originally posted by Quingu

Originally posted by openedge1

 

Originally posted by FikusOfAhazi

Can Turbine make that claim if it wasnt true? Seriously, can they? I would think their competitors would be all over them if it wernt. I think the proof is that there isnt another company saying.." umm, we're #2, not lotro". Until I see that, there is no reason not to believe that claim for me personally.

This sentence says it all

 

*Comparison data includes subscription-based MMORPG titles developed in North America based on reported data."

http://www.turbine.com/index.php?page_id=20&pagebuilder[module]=sitearticle&pagebuilder[display_item]=53

Those are the keywords...so, as long as companies do not "report" (SOE for example), then Turbine has that lead...so, they can only base their data on what is reported...

MMOG's charts for example show more subs (based on some criteria that we still are not aware of)...so, according to THAT chart...LOTRO is number 2 of North American developed MMO's

NA developed big name games include...DAoC , CoH/CoV and WoW (at least based on data available...can anyone find any other NA developed games...)

So...your right...they are not lying, and no one is going to call them on it...

Cheers!

no matter what you say eq2 can't  compete with lotro on subscriptions , LOTRO has more then 300 or 400k subscriptions for sure and still growing while eq2 is declining.

 

Ok...oh...as long as you show me where you received your numbers of course...because you give some sub numbers...all I need is your proof.

Also, how did you get into EQ2...as I do not mention EQ2 at ALL...so why bring it up?

Speculation is all you have here...but, thanks for sharing YOUR opinion

Cheers!

because you are a eq2 fanboi that spent more time on lotro forums everyone knows that.

 

and i don't need any proof, just log in on any eq2 server and do the same for lotro you will see the diference, while in eq2 you find like 100 people online, in lotro you would find over 2k people on any server at pick times, last night on windfola were 1890 people online not counting with anonymous and monster play chars and other people on session play, that ones we can't count. note that windfola is one of the less populated servers. Now give us your eq2 numbers.

3 000 000 characters

nice made up number lol

Got it from you.... LOTRO does have a nice feature after all... learning skills from a player!

I would say like the others 15$... but if it's really good, i'm whilling to pay a little more.

It's brutal indeed and frustrating if you are alone.

PVP servers are probably one of the best way to make friends.

Koster did a great job on paper... but it did not translate well in the game.  Most of the systems in place were only 1st passes and almost had no QA directions...

If it's a SW MMO, you can be sure Bioware will go for systems that works... No place for experiementations this time.