Make sense to me.... most people I know (and there is a lot) that plays wow are at least 25 or older.

So... is it full of kids or full of immature adults? lol... Anyways, i'm having fun playing it.

Some of you guys are taking this wayyyyy to seriously.  SWTOR will be a great game made by a great studio.  The simplier the better i say.  At least, it will work.  SWG was a mess because it was too complex... Devs had problems figuring out on paper so it's easy to understand why the game was such a mess.

I actually learned to like WoW... it's a fun game and problably the most solid on the market currently.  Sure, it's dumb down and you are spoon feed, but so what?  I'm having fun in it and i can play whenever i want.  I just jump in and it's instant fun.

It's a good game people, get over it.

The OP is so wrong.

Nothing will beat wow.  If something beats wow, it will be Blizzard next MMO.

WoW runs on pretty much any machine out there... you can't beat that.

Originally posted by fyerwall

 

Originally posted by hubertgrove

Originally posted by fyerwall

Originally posted by hubertgrove

 

Originally posted by TheHavok

I think the author of that article, Mr. Andrew Webster made a very big deal (Hence the article's title) out of nothing. 

From what i read, Smed has a good point about the playstation 3's hardware.  Designing a game to work on one model of hardware eliminates a huge amount of bugs and issues. 

Also, i would be very excited to play a playstation 3 mmorpg.  My computer has been outdated for years and i know by using my playstation 3 to play my favorite genre, i am saving hundreds of dollars that would otherwise be spent on computer upgrades.

 

So maybe take a step back from your bias opinions for a second and look at the article for what it is: a speculation on playstation 3 mmo success.

Well, perhaps you might want to dump your bias first.

 

Meanwhile, here's the point; no console MMORPG will ever beat a PC MMORPG. Why not? Very simply because a PC keyboard allows for more, faster choices than a console controller does - and choices are the essential elements of an mmorpg. What consoles can do excellently is enable online FPS MMOshooters and MMOchasers - but SOE, right now, is not in that business.

Well both consoles (360/PS3) can use keyboard and mouse via USB. The game just needs to support them, which I can see them doing.

While true, it's equally true that many PCs can now integrate game controllers, joysticks etc. But they just don't - just as in the same way,  your console doesn't currently feature a keyboard and a mouse.  Right now - and it seems in the foreseeable future - PC online games and console online games are qualitatively different.

The only reason a console doesn't come with an included keyboard/mouse is due to the fact they are nothing more than add on perphs. Racing games dont include the wheel becuase most players can get by on controller alone, but they do sell them seperatly, as Logitech sells a PS3 keyboard, and many companies sell compatible controllers that will work with PC games.

 

PCs come with a keyboard/mouse standard because that is thier main system of user interface. A consoles main system of user interface is a controller. If a game comes out for PS3 like an MMO such as WoW, they will most likely support mouse/keyboard for those who want to use such perphs.

The only diff in PC/Console games in the foreseeable future will be seeing PC games try to out do consoles by offering better looking graphics and pushing the limit of system specs, where consoles will be the same system for 5-10 years (based off Sonys expectations of the PS3 platform). There will still be developers who will make games playable on both systems as to try to capture the largest amount of users/revenue for thier product.

If i'm correct, UT3 on PS3 supports keyboard + mouse.

Originally posted by miagisan

the title of this thread fails

just a rant of someone that still cries about SWG.

Originally posted by Souldrainer

 

Originally posted by wihtgar

 

Originally posted by matraque

AoC won't even come close to WoW...  If it gets EQ2 numbers, they will be lucky.  Remember Vanguard?  I hate to say it, but this game will be in worst shape then Vanguard when it will get released.

I tend to agree, unless people are exaggerating the high end computers that you need to run it.  I just don't see people running out and buying a new rig just to play this game.  I mean they could A) keep playing WoW, the #1 game in the world, or they could B) run out and buy a new 1000 dollar computer during the worst recession in 20 years,,.... to play AoC...   I'm guessing 99 percent of the WoW community opts for option A.

 

On the other hand, it may be more user friendly than they are letting on.  I mean they might be hyping the graphics to get play on geek websites like this.  Who knows....

AoC will run on Dx9 Win XP systems.  I don't understand why people think they need to upgrade.  They don't.  Vanguard?  EQ2?  AoC will have more players than that on day 1.  AoC has had over a $55 million budget.  They got 100,000 beta apps in a week for crissake.  If this game is not huge, Funcom will fold forever.  Eidos will also take a massive shot to the wallet. 

 

WOW numbers?  Not at first, not by a long shot.  But, if they keep the quality high, the game will be a hit and it will have a market share. 

Just wait till the NDA gets lifted.  People will destroy this game in NO TIME.

AoC won't even come close to WoW...  If it gets EQ2 numbers, they will be lucky.  Remember Vanguard?  I hate to say it, but this game will be in worst shape then Vanguard when it will get released.

This game will be in worst shape then VG on release day.  You guys puts so much hope on this one... You should not.  It will be in a terrible state.  As for WoW, no one will beat it.  The only MMO that could beat WoW is a starcraft MMO.  I'm not a fan of WoW, but studios realized that if they want to compete, they have to follow the WoW model.

Originally posted by Aethios

 

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Originally posted by cabal001
we all talk a lot of crap but i bet the server would explode from 200k trying to log on at once...

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QFT. Hell, I didn't even play it THEN and I know I'd totally be there on launch day.

Originally posted by Suvroc

 

Originally posted by matraque

Get over it.... LMAO.   Don't you guys think it's time to move on now and stop bashing this sorry (since day 1 btw) game?

 

Absolutely brillant!

 

You managed to both bash the game (i.e. refering to it as being a sorry game), and not move on yourself in making that exact comment.

BTW this is the dictionary definition of hypocritical:

a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

lol

Like i give a shit of your "hey look a definition..."  I post a lot on this forum.... every day.  Maybe you should look.

Originally posted by FikusOfAhazi

Originally posted by matraque

Get over it.... LMAO.   Don't you guys think it's time to move on now and stop bashing this sorry (since day 1 btw) game?

 

Why what happens if they dont? They have every reason in the world to after what SOE/LA did.

Originally posted by thamighty213

 

Originally posted by Vrazule

 

Originally posted by miagisan

Originally posted by Celestian

I still don't understand why people act like this fella is some be all end all MMO guru. UO? Yeah it was ok, it's a MUD and Ultima... SWG? How many people on this site rip that game a new one daily?

I can't think of a single thing he's done for MMOs then now or between. All he seems to do is say lot of pseudo mumbo jumbo that never comes about.

the nGE yes it is ripped daily...the old game..not so much :P He designed the original...not the NGE

 

Despite what the old school purists may say or believe, Pre-CU / Pre-NGE was not a great game.  It had a ton of issues and was only fun for hardcores.  As a matter of fact, there are more subscribers to SWG now than there were before the changes.  That to me says a lot.

There's a good reason why they don't revert back to the old system or offer an old school server set.

Oh and as for Raph, he's nothing more than a "Brad McQuaid" of the sci-fi mmo.  Old school, outdated, outmoded and generally unwanted in the genre.

Ha jeebus you are a moron.

 

 

A: it wasnt for hardcores.

B: SWG Pre Cu had 450k subscribers SWG now has 45k how the hell is that more you imbecile.

C: Koster is a god his vision of mmo's is how games should be virtual worlds not linear grind fests

No he's not a moron... just wrong.  The only thing he's right about is that the game was broken... It was when i beta tested and it was when it got released.

As to Koster.... He's the one that destroyed SWG in the first place by trying something impossible to design correctly.

Get over it.... LMAO.   Don't you guys think it's time to move on now and stop bashing this sorry (since day 1 btw) game?

Originally posted by sabutai22

WAR is nothing new except the standard run of the mill cookie-cut level based grind fest! Even the UI looks and feels just like WoW.

AoC is no exception, both of these games are nothing more than game designers, developers and companies trying to steal market share away from WOW in order to make money!

bah, i hate the fact that here we are in 2008 and all people can come up with are carbon copy's of games that have been around since the 1990's!

 

But your just a troll

I played for about 3 hrs yesterday (haven't played in a while) and i haven't crashed once.

To me, that is big improvements.

OP, according to your first couple lines, you will LOVE EQ2 PVP.

That is, of course, if you can master it.

If you can't master it, you will get frustrated.

And yes, you have benefits.  Ranks, Perks (stuff you can buy from special NPC), Money/items for kills, etc...

I think SOE are doing a great job with VG.  Kinda like what they did with EQ2.

I still crash (hard), but thats cause my Power Supply sucks...

Originally posted by sandage

Lord of the rings online beats Everquest 2 on Mmoprg.com

In rating Lotro now has 8.2 and EQ2 has 8.1 only Tabula Rasa is higher, but thats only becouse its just released and still have to get a ballanced rating , all new games have a high rating at first. Dont think much people care about Tabula Rasa anyhow. I think its great to see that Lotro finaly has beaten EQ2 on Mmorpg.com, keep up the great work Turbine 

Nice work, you were able to lower EQ2 from .1 with your bazillion MMORPG.com account.

Originally posted by DailyBuzz

Originally posted by Morgaur

Gameplay 6/10
The Gameplay in Vanguard is not more exciting than most of the mmos out there. Choose a target, pull with something, hit the standard buttons for hit for 40hp +12, stun, kick etc etc. V:SOH have finishers, counterattacks etc that can trigger sometimes but this is the standard overrated stuff. Its nothing new here. EQ2 had a more exciting system called Heroic Opportunities. You train at a trainer and get upgrades for the same spells xxx number of times, but some spells drop from mobs later, which is good

VG has a "weakness" system that allows classes to cause weaknesses and exploit those caused by others (and in rare cases your own). It's a convoluted system and is not citical for success in battle. However, use of the weakness system provides more combat depth for those that wish to persue it, and can be immensely powerful if used properly.

Just because a huge wheel doesn't pop up on the screen and your abilities don't start flashing, it doesn't mean that there is no cooperative combat present.

 

This is something people always forgets about the VG combat.  It is a little "deeper" then the other games.