All Posts by Cholayna

Originally posted by solareus

Pix was the founder of the company, how is he not resposnable for the first intail rip off to the fans, to me, without seeing any contracts, pix took the first wave of money and ran with it ...pure speculation but that is the picture I'm getting as of late.

my gawd, can you not understand the chronological order of things? _Pix_ wasnt around when the "first initial rip off to the fans" took place. He left the company loonnnggg before that. _Pix_ didnt take anything, including personal attacks by you.

You keep trying to twist things up to fit your "picture" , ignoring all the facts and dates and anything else that didnt fit with your vision.

I suggest you go back through some of these threads, even this one, or perhaps take a little walk on over to _pix_'s website and read again the chronological order of things. C. Jacquet was the man responsible for the rip-offs, was the man who took the first wave of money and ran with it and lied and misled and was the man responsible for the game itself.

Once again, _Pix_ wasnt even around when Farland (C. Jacquet) began the sleaziest rip-off in mmo history.

Originally posted by Raltar

All of that sounds reasonable enough Cholayna.

But one thing I just thought of: If they are now going back to appeal the decision of the first lawsuit, it must be because they think the second one being dismissed has given them a better chance to win in a second round of the first one.

Aye, I thought of that angle too. However, their appeal was already filed before this last event. However, I dont put it past them to TRY and use this last case as another basis. Problem with that is, it really has no basis on the facts of the first case in which their position was dismissed and the award was for damages to Pix in that particular case. A pretty open and shut deal there. I suspect their appeal is merely a stalling, and mayhaps a bit of defensive 'saving-face' act since Jacquet is already paying out fines and penalities to the other lost cases (one being the ex-employee deal)  as well as to attempt to "prove"his previous claims against Pix. An appeal on the first case is basically a foollish and futile excercise on slimeball Jacquets actions. Once again, smoke and mirrors.

I would have to say, watching Jacquet perform his tricks these past 3 years and especially the last two years, there is much more than a simple "wasnt enough evidence"" on both sides for either of them to get anywhere is a bit suspicious in itself.

Looking back over the chronological events and FarcelandNpFleece's manipulations, we already know that he attempted to get funding through the Reunion Island entity there and was it was rejected. However, using the same engine, Mafate, which a bailiff previously had reported that it was in fact using VWORLD technology, they were able to obtain funding in another entity. Top dog areas. With that, does a Judge want to be responsible for a loss of funding to a beneficial entity?

<Mod edit>. When crap hit the fan not only with the game, but also with the funding manipulation he was involved in, his conviction of not only VWORLDS award but the conviction of the other cases against him from former employee(s), as well as his other cases against him coming up in court -- the timing of his move to China is suspiciously close to a slimy sleazy coward.

Then given that the game is if not officially dead, it is in fact dead and therefore they can claim no harm no foul at the present time.

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I would have to gamble that if VWORLD technology shows up in anything related in the very least to Jacquet, you can bet your bottom dollar VWORLD will have the go-ahead on all sides. I can't imagine really anything going anywhere - especially in the gaming industry - past China for many years to come. US/Eurp markets and regulations simply wont allow it. A suspected stolen technology? What SMART business would deem to even give it a thought?

A proven past history and current mode of operandi lends more to the idea that there was much more than a "no evidence" reason involved. <Mod edit>

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I would have to say, watching Jacquet perform his tricks these past 3 years and especially the last two years, there is much more than a simple "wasnt enough evidence"" on both sides for either of them to get anywhere is a bit suspicious in itself.

Looking back over the chronological events and FarcelandNpFleece's manipulations, we already know that he attempted to get funding through the Reunion Island entity there and was it was rejected. However, using the same engine, Mafate, which a bailiff previously had reported that it was in fact using VWORLD technology, they were able to obtain funding in another entity. Top dog areas. With that, does a Judge want to be responsible for a loss of funding to a beneficial entity?

Then too, we have the disappearance of the office itself, the skedaddling of the slimy coward hiding in yet another haven for unethical business practices. When crap hit the fan not only with the game, but also with the funding manipulation he was involved in, his conviction of not only VWORLDS award but the conviction of the other cases against him from former employee(s),  as well as his other cases against him coming up in court -- the timing of his move to China is suspiciously close to a slimy sleazy coward.

Then given that the game is if not officially dead, it is in fact dead and therefore they can claim no harm no foul at the present time.

And all through this, Jacquets puppets (maybe even the slimy twirp himself) continuously attempt to discredit the position of ownership and competency of the one man who put a cog in his wheel of manipulation. You gotta wonder why..........

I would have to gamble that if VWORLD technology shows up in anything related in the very least to Jacquet, you can bet your bottom dollar VWORLD will have the go-ahead on all sides. I can't imagine really anything going anywhere - especially in the gaming industry - past China for many years to come. US/Eurp markets and regulations simply wont allow it. A suspected stolen technology? What SMART business would deem to even give it a thought?

A proven past history and current mode of operandi lends more to the idea that there was much more than a "no evidence" reason involved. I guess the only thing that we can count on is the same effect the whiney-azz thief Campion got in the end.  The universe knows what it is doing, let it do its thing to Jacquet.

(and the poor bast*** will be sitting with his head in his hands wondering why terrible things are happening to him...tch tch tch)

Originally posted by Starbear

That is a good point... how can a court take anything from someone who has nothing? Sure anyone can randomly sue someone but if they have nothing to give than its pointless and I see what your saying in regards to that.

are both sides appealing?

Originally posted by IKShadow

Originally posted by Cholayna 

It was a bad company. It was a bad game. Pix isnt responsible for that, no matter what fancies you attempt to promote.

 

You forget to mention that Pix was a part of that company

 

p.s. I wont be around for long, dont wanna upset PiX again

If I  forgot  to mention that  -- there is a reason ---- Pix left LOOONGGG BEFORE Farceland/NPFleece began their hard-core, deliberate, false, and misleading BS campaign.

and this also answers the question as to why Pix left. Period.

Originally posted by AnsgarIsen

All discussion on the court cases aside (as far as i can see there are 2 that are unconnected, one in the paris court, that now got turned down and another one on the economic side of things that is still ongoing), I think one misconception should be clarified:

Where from do you draw the conclusion there was no beta? DnL was in the pipe for several years before SoG ever saw the light. Indeed there was a beta, a rather long one even, before that. If SoG was some form of pre release or just another stage of beta is a matter of perspective, but there clearly has been a beta long before it.

The apparent lack of information some fellows have as a background for their attempt of eloquent discussion is amazing at times...

Yes, there was a beta -- I personally know of a few of the "beta"testers. The problem with the statement that there was a beta is that Farceland then made this "beta" the ACTUAL RELEASED GAME.

Several statements by the Farceland/NPFleece gangs were published --both on their own site as well as this site in an interview (see archived interviews still available or gander through some of the old topics here in this board)  --  in which they claimed that SOG was a "standalone"game, a "gift"to the loyal fans and NOT the actual DNL. We all know how that turned out -- SOG was indeed the BETA that was indeed the released DNL.

As far as the programming -- I have said this once before to one of those who can't seem to grasp a concept much less anything logical and clear ---- _Pix_ was responsible for VWORLD. He developed this and held copyright long before DNL. Please read his site for the information. (you can also glean the truth between the whine in Campion's "diary"-- albeit he left out the "diary"of his conviction of stealing money from the company and being found guilty and convicted nor does he understand that his part comes off as a greedy manipulating failed go-boy) . VWORLD is the only thing worth anything in the game and Farceland/NPFleece exploited this. Seems to me a company "developing"a game would have had a much more comprehensive group, experienced and competent in all phases of game development. Alas, now the world knows Farceland/NPFleece used VWORLD as their ticket to rip off millions.  (Further published statements by Farcland/NPFleece can be evidenced all over the www that show without a doubt their absolute  and deliberate false and misleading statements regarding not only their "ownership"of the technology they were exploting for their own gain but also their absolute and deliberate false and misleading statements regarding the game in almost all phases of its entire run -- from Beta to SOG to DNL to the final curtain. )

Secondly--  for a company to be able to "develop a game" I am sure you will agree that there would have been an entire crew to code -- not just one man. To discredit Pix for the entire game is completely off the wall. This again shows the utter ignorance, inexperience and incompetency of not only their "development crew" but more importantly their company fundamentals -- bad management.

The arrogance that these blind and obviously comprehension-free posters as well as the arrogance Farceland/NPFleece displayed up to and until the conviction and award to VWORLD (remember Farceland stated just before that case that the truth will come out, they will prove it and publish the results -- which of course never happened and they have remained silent since -- finally getting the idea that nobody wants to hear their bs anymore) -- is exactly what they accuse Pix of. Inventing any little manner of blame and discrediting an incredible development -- irregardless of a failed game-- in order to promote their own "facts"( and remember now -- Farceland/NPFleece's "facts"). Blame has been placed on one man. Not the man responsible for the worst mmo in gaming industry but one man responsible for the best thing about the game in order to pass the buck . Blame arising from everything from cancer to a self-inflicted "ruined life" to global terrorism to now, for gawds sake, communism!! 

Fanciful and farfetched "truths"are arrogant as well as ignorant.

There is no defense to being caught with your pants down. There is no glory . Farceland/NPFleece had not only their pants down but were also caught trying to pull everyone else's down in order to take the whole she-bang down with them. Now, not only did they attempt but these blind and comprehension-free posters are attempting to take the entire ship (now using Pix as a substitute captain) down the gutter hole with them.

It was a bad company. It was a bad game. Pix isnt responsible for that, no matter what fancies you attempt to promote.

Originally posted by Raltar

Originally posted by solareus

Name one game in the Asian Market that has the mechanics of DnL ? I LOVED the Sega Saturn by the way, had had more power and better performance then Playstation .

Chinese can do anything they want at low cost, being a communist country , half of the people don't even have to work, they get hand outs , unlike in the Capitalistic world where the rich get richer, China's economy is completely different from ours, leaving them more resources  and more people to do things like create fake iphones.  tearing apart a game and rebuilding it to a functioning product is like a hobby for some Chinese.

The chinese take there tiem, they have no where to be anytime soon. A great game to see the Chinese playing a game is Marlog Server in Shadowbane, it is simply magical , in how they can run bits, block server access, and muniplate ingame items to server there needs, and that is on a game that they don't even have the code for.

 

First of all, The Sega Saturn had more power for 2D games because that was what Sega designed it for. Big mistake on their part because 2D games went out of style at that point. After seeing the amazing 3D games the Playstation was bringing to bear they tried to patch some 3D power into the Saturn but it was too little too late because all the third party developers abandoned Sega and Nintendo to go make games for Playstation. That was the death blow for Sega, although it took them another decade of incompetent hardware releases to figure it out. So you "LOVED" the Saturn? All FIVE of the games released for it I take it? I can see why you like DnL so much. I guess medicority and failure are what you look for in a game.

Oh, and then you go and bring SHADOWBANE into the debate. The second worst MMORPG ever made. You sure know how to pick em.

You seem to be a big fan of communism. Need I remind you of Tibet? Or the USSR? Communism did wonders for those countries... I'm sure it will save DnL somehow... Next why don't you tell us about the theory of Time Cube and how it will bring Lennin back from the dead to conquer France and stop the corrupt Anti-DnL military industrial complex which is secretly conspiring aginst Vuuar?

BWHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAAHAAHAHHahahAAAAAAA !! Go Raltar Go!!!! 

Originally posted by Raltar

One more week...

Die DnL, DIE!

5 more days....hehheheheheeee

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by ZtyX

 

Honestly the case in essence was about slander and I would imagine that it encompassed calling him a thief (Not the exact same Wording) as well as other things Pix was saying. Here is the problem with what you have said. If it was found already that Pix was not slandering NPCubes reputation then the things he was saying had to have some truth to them.

I mean here is the definition of slander

In law, defamation (also called calumny, libel, slander, and vilification) is the communication of a statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government or nation a negative image. Slander refers to a malicious, false, and defamatory spoken statement or report, while libel refers to any other form of communication such as written words or images. Most jurisdictions allow legal actions, civil and/or criminal, to deter various kinds of defamation and retaliate against groundless criticism.

This is basicaly what Pix was accused of. Having been found innocent of this guess what.... It means he could prove what he was saying in that specific courts eye's.

I mean you do remember this correct?

César Jacquet on darkandlight.com wrote a few months ago:

Vincent Pourieux and VWorld pour out false and truncated information on the on-line game forums and the players community deserves that this shall be addressed.

First of all, it must reminded that it is for Justice and Justice only to reach a verdict on the on-going Court cases. All speculation on the part of Pourieux/VWorld as of today is purely hypothetical.

We commit ourselves to publishing the decisions when they will be rendered by the competent Courts and the players community will form its own opinion at this occasion.
[...]
César Jacquet,
NP3,
Farlan Entertainment
 

He was being sued for slander. Read again what slander is then read this again then tell me the courts decision in favor of Pix over this issue has no bearring.

He was found innocent of Slander which means what he was saying was True and he could prove it.

You have to know this no one can be this..... I don't even have a word for it.

LOL Awesome Grayghost!!!!  Right on!

Then again, Zytx's constant twisting of the the ""truth"to fit his needs is very well known on this board.

No amount of black and white facts, base intelligence, logic, common sense, nor even any court of law finding will sway his ridiculous posts.

Originally posted by bratisla

I saw the link ... it was two years ago. The original poster (Campion) sent it on a french forum "full of haters" while - what a coincidence - the justice things began to be set into motion. 

Now this link is posted again, by game zealots, while - what a coincidence ! - the date for the final court decision Pourieux vs NPCube/Farlan draws near ....

On top of that, the link does have nothing in common with the current case being judged - except that it throws mud and unproved allegations on Pix.

 

I don't like to be taken as an amnesic dumb. Not at all. ZtyX, explain yourself. And try hard to convince me of your reasons.

I would also like to add that if this is in fact a "true testimonial"and full story of the Campion side of the story........then why does he leave out the part about his conviction of stealing money from the company?

Originally posted by Raltar

Originally posted by _Pix_

The final speeches took place last Thursday, October 2nd, as planned. The Judge announced the verdict was to be reached on October 31, i.e. in less than 4 weeks.

 

On Halloween? Creepy. Yet somehow poetic.

hehe I agree. Poetic justice? Poetry in motion? heh Talk about your monster mash!!!

Originally posted by Artjom2

I just get depressed from reading more of the replies in this thread...

 

You are all forgetting so much of what DnL really was. .. Cholayna is claiming that the game was broken in all other ways than what Pix was working with. Pix is claiming his lifelong friend Campion is a lier and that he never used to work in the food sector, when the journal clearly stated so. No, Pix. You weren't a chef. You were a manager of some sort.

Zorbane is calling me crazy and there is just a bad attitude and a misinformation about what the game really was.

Because, it was not that broken.

 

We had problems with client stability. Provoked crashes. This became much better with patches.

FPS was low on high end machines. This also improved through time. But, it was playable and never really felt that bad. Even on my machine with at x800.

There were problems with quest items obtained from mobs. Other than that quests were working.

The world felt empty. Yes, but it was also big.

Kingdoms were locked, because they weren't finished. It made people angry.

look.. Im just going to make a new thread about this.

 

 

Ayup.

But...um...er.....what was broken in the VWORLD work? Seems to me your 'big world" is the answer to one problem....nobody played.

And nobody played because the quests were broken, the armor was broken, the weapons were broken, the crafting was broken, the content was non-existent, kingdoms were locked because they werent finished....the whole dang game wasnt finished....yet they charged a premuim price..promised bs..gave nothing....until they were FORCED to offer it f2p. 1 outta 10 could get it to run on their puters.....thats because they were willing to change MOST of their current settings and configs just to play this one game....most good gamers wouldnt even THINK about having to mess with their tweaks.

So yeh, according to this post...nothing wrong with the game...just borked quests, content, unfinished areas, instability and new patches that broke other things.

Ayup.

There are several posts from this person ...stating the same crap....and this same person was shown, logically.... plainly..just how absurd this single-minded blame is.

Zytx....your time is almost up. The sentencing is on the horizon...you havent much time left to show your wit and persistance. Give it all ya got good buddy.......it hasnt and wont change the hard cold facts.

I had to look twice at the date of the OP.

This is the silly little one bringing up yet another thread on the same subject of the "partner". They tried this before....the post was debunked as bs. A whiney "diary" from a man who had been convicted for stealing money from a company. He got caught. He got convicted. Now he has a "poor woe is me" internet posting of his pathetic plea for pity and blaming one other man for all his troubles. Wander what his thoughts would be if it hadnt been proven in a court of law that the man was an embezzler? thief? whatever you may wish to call him.

Funny how the "big players"in this game have all now been convicted of some sort of wrongdoing and accuse another the loudest..

Lay off Zytx...this was all tried before.....by you......same subject....same stance.....your posts truly are getting tiresome.

hehehe I am already giggling in anticipation of the antics of Farlan in the upcoming and eagerly awaited court date hehehe...something to look forward to ....hehehe

Originally posted by _Pix_

Update of the day:

 "On September 5, 2008, took place the closing hearing for the defendants to file their last submissions before the judge in charge of receiving final submissions and pieces of evidence to prepare the case for trial. The defense of NPCube, Farlan and Mr Cesar Jacquet was to file its submissions in reply to the substance of the case. None was filed by the defense which yet asked the judge for another hearing to be scheduled and the date of final speeches to be postponed.

On September 8th the Judge ruled that the defendants' request was not admissible and confirms the date of October 2nd for final speeches to take place. "