I don't remember exactly how I heard about EvE.   It was in the beta signup stage .. and I was signing up for every MMO beta then (back in the day).  Was always a fan of space games back to Elite on my Commodore 64.

Was accepted into beta and I guess that's about it to how I discovered EvE.

Originally posted by Kuro1n

US laws wont apply to me if i live in Sweden.

IMO they should make games cheaper, they earn more money doing so... Steam ftw?

 

I support piracy and yet i buy all my games... 

That's true...  The US ones won't...  Its why companies also file for "international copyright".

Which would then be enforced by Swedish law like... IPRED among others... (Since you used Sweden as an example).

So I guess I kinda miss the point about what US Laws will or won't do.

Altho you may also want to look into "reciprocation" treaties that do exist between the US and Sweden.

Just for kicks...

Originally posted by clik

Originally posted by qombi

Originally posted by GetViolated

 i like how people call this a next gen MMO but the combat system is from like the 1980s

it's brutally SLOW 

 

ADD kiddie instant killing combat has nothing to do with the generation of the game, only unless you mean this generation of gamers that have to have instant gratification and cry if things are a little tough.

 

Nice foaming at the mouth, knee jerk response attempt to insult someones opinion fanboi.

Seems ironic... given the context...

Originally posted by eycel

Originally posted by Xasapis

So if ... lets say for the sake of argument ... you bought some powerlevel services, deactivated the account when you didn't feel like playing and the powerlevelers reactivated and took advantage of it, it's NCsoft responsibility? Or if your computer is open like a cheddar cheese? Or if you fall for some scam sniffing email?

Do people realise that this game has two account passwords that ought to be different? One is the ingame password and the other is the account password. You only need the account password to activate and deactivate that account, nothing else. It should be kept safe and different for a reason. And if by any change the ingame password gets compromised, you can reset it with your account password.

 

This is a good point that stuck out to me.  Even if this person has done illigal activities with the account in question, either way said persons is geting a raw deal.  The account wasnt just abused by being breached, but the persons finaces has also been breached.  Now with those two things, you can also add in there emotional distress from the situation and time lost attempting to recover all assests that were unlawfully taken.  My point is as enlightning as it is to discuss politics on geting accounts unbanned because of unjustified practices by the account holder, I think the op is geting more criticism then is justified. 

Ok this is going to be what I have to say.. as the thread is somewhat interesting.

I purchased Aion as a pre-order and had hit cancel 2 or 3 weeks into "live".  So I have not been back to NCSoft site at all during this period of time.  So reading this thread I go log into my master account...

Now there is one "panel" in your master account that talks about payment info.  When I go in there I do see the last few numbers of the credit card I used along with the expiration date.  There is also a line that says something like "allow use on file (pending your approval).  So perhaps there is an option to just allow you to subscribe directly with the "on file" card...

The reason I say "apparantly" is because I didn't actually see an option that allowed you to do that.  So I went to my "games" panel and clicked on Aion.... and clicked on the button to subscribe again.

The first thing you are going to see is a drop down box (to pick a credit card type Visa/MC etc), game time card OR Paypal.

Choosing the credit card option... you are then prompted to enter ALL the credit card information including the 3 digit number from the back of the card.  The ONLY information that was retained was my billing address.

So I guess my question is how did someone else bill an extra month to his card?  Because I can't seem to "emulate" that option with my own account....

As they would need my card number (not just the last few digits) expiration date (yes I could see that on the account) but the CCV aka 3 digit number off the back of the card... well they'd need that too...  Now like SOE will retain my credit information on file but when I go to resubscribe I always need to enter the CCV code... which you really can only get from direct access to the card OR scam... someone bought a service/item from you with the same card (which could be done various ways.. however when tied to "breach of account" it usually points one way).

Just my views.. with the information I've seen here.

Its like asking if you can have an MMO without the "trinity".. obviously yes you can.

Ultima Online had no definition of:

Tank

Healer

DPS (magic/melee)

At least when I still played.. I have no idea how messed up it might be now.

You healed with potions if you had them.. magic if you had the skill to cast.

Later they added bandages.. which to work really well required a few skills.  No one spammed "need someone who can heal".

Of course that was my favorite MMO...  but you can't remove healing entirely... you could remove the class as you can remove the entire trinity and basicly make modern Ultima Online.

Originally posted by daemon

Originally posted by Vaed

Sigh..  Well there goes the possibily of a great game. 

 

why is that? what will he do?

Might not do anything.

Personally I wouldn't have hired anyone from that team... just my opinion.

Not sure it was mentioned and I didn't want to read all the pages.

EQ2 - Group XP debt (which was later removed).

Few good wipes and you'd have a nice debt built up.. really wasn't something that encouraged grouping.

If you like level/class based games its not that bad.

The resource system and the crafting are still move involved than the average MMO.

Free trial.. as others have said.

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Originally posted by finaticd

Originally posted by Xerith

The free level 50 character comes to anyone who hits level 50 on another character.

 

Did they say that this time? Funcom omited it last time in an effort to get more players.....pretty deceptive if you ask me.

 

What?

I'm pretty lost on that one myself.  When I had gone back for a month (last time) was when they first did this.  It was made very clear that in order to get that "level 50" you had to already have one...

So I really dunno... beyond... "what?" was a good response.

Originally posted by LynxJSA

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Figures lie and liars figure. 836% ? Link all you want, I dont believe that shit for a minuete. If thats the case they must have been in the red before Aion released.

 

Ok, wait a minute. I'd expect that from the delusional misfits that run rampant here, but this seemed odd coming from you, Grandpa. So, when something like that comes from one of the more lucid and rational members of the community, I really am curious what prompts it.

Is it that you feel that false financials is an NCSoft thing, a game industry thing or just a makreting thing in general? I'm not asking this to try to prove you wrong or shoot down your argument, and if I find that I disagree with your position I promise I shall keep my mouth shut. I'm really interested, though, in why you feel the number is a lie.

 

 

Well when you consider some of the financial reports that were coming out after Tabula Rasa... I do not find it hard to see a financial statement going up this much from a very successful launch.

You also have to consider the contribution of NCSofts traditional market and the large number of servers running in China.

So that would be my personal perspective on that.  Also since there is an NCSoft west office located in the US... I'm not sure providing false financial statements would be a good idea.

No it could actually be worse than breaking an NDA.... I don't think I've honestly seen anything more than being kicked out of a beta for breaking NDA.

At least I don't remember anything major..

However, if you claimed you were in beta.. then gave "false information" that could be seen as detrimental to that product..  When you consider the amount of money it costs to bring an MMO to market.. and it can be argued that the false information you claimed came from the prodcut had a negative effect ...

You could actually end up in court...  

Originally posted by Vinterkrig

someone explain it to me, i'm not really sure why people are so obsessed with having a pet in a mmorpg

its something that seems fairly new as i've been playing mmos for far to long, and i've never seen it be such an important thing to so many people

This is just like...

Ultima Online... that MMO that launched WAaaaaaaay back in 1997.. had a skill called "Taming".

There were these players that called themselves "Tamers" who ran all over taming things and then stood at west brit bank selling them to people who were to lazy to run all around taming them.

So I'm not sure what "far to long" is... but Pets have been in MMO's since close to the start (as UO wasn't the first MMO... but was fairly early ... 12 years ago...)

I didn't honestly read much of the thread...

So I'll just say considering the current economy I hope for the people working on the game it IS making a come back.

Personally it will  never be installed on any system I own.. again regardless.

Yet I would hope that the people working on it.. keep their jobs.. just because..

Originally posted by ChrisChan

So if you do not get that cash flow that keeps up with technology and what is required to make the game etc than you have failed hard. 300k sub base is not bad but AOC is not even producing this number, are they even at a 100k sub base today?

According to who?

The only people who know work at funcom.  Beyond that its some BS about Xfire or some other random crap.. that is a "guess".

There hasn't been any indication of sub numbers from Funcom...

As far as it goes... guess what?  Every MMO that has hit 100,000 subs.. is still open... 

Actually what it comes down to is operating cost (which can include development and launch cost as ongoing) being less than you are "making".  Since we don't know what the operation cost is.. versus the "income"...

The company is obviously still around... still running Anarchy Online and working on The Secret World (and who knows what else).

They are apparantly making an expansion because they can 'afford to', want to retain their current player base or perhaps even expand it..

I'm not sure how this is a mystery?

They obviously aren't existing on "non existent funding" or "not paying their staff".. so you can't pay bills with your non existent pay check.

So beyond that I guess I'm lost... on the subject.

Forums or opinions on forums have nothing to do with the future of mmo's.

unless the following is universally true.

1) You let what other people say mandate your choices.. instead of actually forming your own opinion.  Altho when I look around at stuff going on.. it seems a vast number of people are content to be sheep...

2) developers actually make choices based off the active feedback of the obvious minority...  altho I've actually seen games destroyed from this.

So hey I guess in some ways the OP is right...

Originally posted by Locithon

Almost none of the abilites are situational so you end up using almost 3 bars worth of skills in a single encounter, it just gets tiresome after a while.  I don't find this type of gameplay difficult at all... it just bores the hell out of me.

Sorry it doesn't work out for you.

Been around EQ2 since its friends and family beta and this is just never something that would land of my list of dislikes.  Then again I have yet to use 3 bars worth of skills on any class in the game....

Sometimes a game just isn't for you... 

Originally posted by Cecropia

Originally posted by Ravanos

(as stated in another post)

This is in my opinion the future of MMORPG. getting rid of the massive feeling and getting rid of the "world" feeling to the point of you log in to your own instance of the game world where you are the ONLY player in that instance. where if you wish friends can join your personal instance (or you join thiers) and you quest, kill, level and gather loot without the "hinderance" of any other players.

you see this already happening with games adding more and more instancing to thier games. this is unfortunately the next step in the evolution of the MMORPG genre, especially if the solo WoW players get thier way.

 

 

 

If your right I won't be sticking around too long in this genre.

For me the whole reason I play mmos is for the interaction with real human beings, and the feeling I get when I'm playing in a giant world.

I'd like to think that both styles of mmo can coexist.

Ya sure its the future of MMO's.... IF they see more sales/subscriptions/paid services than they currently do.

Just like everything else they are trying... "it will be the future" until it doesn't work.

My game time already ran out... but thanks for the reminder.

Originally posted by luckturtz

Millions of people say Spice girls are good,the minority say they are bad.Who is right?

 

And i have never seen a bad game sell millions of games,Why do People feel that their point of view is right,Me i taught that Wii Sports is huge waste and mediocre game but it is number selling of console game ever.So who is right millions of people who like wii sports or me?

It really doesn't matter who is "right".

All of these things people try to sell (music, games etc) are made for one reason... to make profit.  In the business world the most profit = the best.

As opposed to some person who thinks that something which made next to no money is "the best" becuase THEY enjoyed it.

Its all perspective... however... if a game doesn't have the sub numbers .. guess what?  Its sinks.

So I agree with this quote.. except I don't worry about "millions of other people" .. I just think about it from the business perspective.  As to the OP...

You are correct stop using sub numbers.  Let's look at quateryly financial statements and see what company is making enough money to keep pushing product... and not close/merge servers or shut down games.

I know the best game ever... to bad it got shut down due to lack of profit... but at least it was totally awesome even tho it no longer exists!! it won!!

Considering the title of the topic and all....

Then the reasons given..

How does Horizons not rank in the top 5??

I think Pirates of the Burning Sea... has to rank higher than Aion at least and shoudl have that spot.  Lot of potential doesn't change the launch...  As opposed to just not "launching with enough servers..."  which is my opinion of Aion.  Beyond the boring (yet not broken) game play.

Oh and at least 3 of the 5 wouldn't be in my top 5....  Yet I'll admit that's just my opinion.