It was being used in game design classes as an example of what not to do.  $OE got jealous their stupidity could be mined for profit. They took it down.

Originally posted by superniceguyI have no love for SOE as always found them to be a pain in the neck, but there are no facts to indicate SOE are to blame at all for anything to do with SWG. It is all pointing to LA

Oh my god, he's full of stars.

LA LICENSED THE GAME. That's it. They approved storylines to not break canon (and loosely I mght add.. pink ewoks got APPROVED).

They didn't code one line of code. Ever. Period. But you claim it is THEIR fault.

You have to just be a forum troll, because there is nobody who can say what you say and be serious. There is nobody who can look objectively or even subjectively at the facts and take that away from it. There is no way you are serious. You've tipped your hand. Well played, bravo.

I juat have one thing to say to cut through all the crazy.

If SWG was making money, even one thin dime, it would still be on.

Plain and simple. That's how $OE does it, Vanguard is still up, EQ is still up, hell MxO hobbled along much past it should have and only ended because the licensing needed renewed.

Smedley said himself in interviews that he thought about renewing and didn't even bother re-negotiating renewal of the license because it wouldn't be a "good business decision". That means, in simple terms, that he knew he wouldn't be making a profit post-launch of TOR. That it didn't make financial sense to continue. If it would make them a thin dime, they'd have kept moving forward.

To think there was ANY other reason than that to close SWG is so insane, it's unbelievable.  Real tinfoil hat stuff that makes Loose Change look like the History Channel.

How the hell is $OE still in business, and what blackmail does Smedley have to keep his job?

Originally posted by teakbois



How come EQ2 isnt in the GOTY vote?   Beastlord class trumps anything LOTRO put out this year.

 

It should be on the Hybrid one now that it's f2p. So should DCUO.

Thorbrand, you claim TOR isn't a good MMO and  DCUO is on the list???

That's comedy right there.

MyPreciousess is 100% right. How can it be considered in the innovative categoy and NOT in the Best category. You're considering it a 2011 game in one, and not a 2011 game in the other? That's bats#!t crazy. That, and it shouldn't be "anticipated".. it's HERE!

Huge error in the whole poll. Let's have some constincancy. Don't care what your opinion is on TOR, it's either a 2011 or 2012 game, not both.

How the hell is TOR not nominated for Game of the Year?

And DCUO and LotRO is?

Let's be real, the only ones betatesting who are trying to find ways to cheat are the ones who want to cheat when the game goes live. Everyone else will be testing the game systems looking for gameplay bugs, not trying to cheat your way to millions.

So blaming the betatesters is just plain retarded. That type of thing is found by professionals or after they check the post-launch metrics.

No reason for a rollback. It's not like we ahve a real economy that is being hurt here.

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by Shayde

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by Shayde

Originally posted by superniceguy

Shutting down SWG was not a good move for SOE, but they were forced to by LA/EA, and if SOE did not shut down SWG then LA would have sued SOE and would have been bad for the company (as stated by Smedley which TUX  ha quoted on these forums many many times)

 

This is SHEER LUNACY.

Smed said it was HIS decision to shut down SWG. That it was in the best interests of $OE to do so. The contract was up.

Do you know ANYTHING about how intelectual properties work? If you want to use someone's IP, you have to pay them. $OE had a contract to develop SWG, so they paid Lucasarts actual money to do so. Do you get that?

And when the contract ends, which it does in 9 days, you have to EXTEND that contract to legally use the IP. He said, and I quote, "Could we have renegotiated? Maybe, but I don't think that would be the right thing for the company."

"We knew, with the checkered past [of Galaxies], that this would not be a popular decision, but it was just one that we had to make."

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/111549-SOE-Bids-Fond-Farewell-to-Star-Wars-Galaxies

We, as in $OE.

 

Look, you lost your game, I get that. I lost mine when the horrible NGE hit. But open your eyes. $OE made the decision because SWG was no longer profitable. PERIOD.

The contract ends sometime in 2012. Whatever date that is no one knows, but it was not on Dec 31st 2011. Where does it say it ends in 9 days and states an exact date? They only say it ends in 2012, and I do not believe it is Jan 1st. More like June. EA bought out the remaining 6 months contract so SOE would be forced to shut down SWG, and then be able to launch SWTOR. SWTOR would have been able to launch in Sep, if there was not this contract.

Smedley never said it was his decision, they said it was a mutual decision between SOE and LA

Your theories make no sense whatsoever, and make SOE look like the best and super awesome company to ever exist, if I speak sheer lunacy

My eyes are open, yours are full of SOE hate, and are making stuff up to suit your own needs, to the point that even makes SOE look good. My theories all make sense, and all the pieces fall together perfectly

 

Do you even read links? Go ahead, click that link and see Smed's own words. You know, the ones I QUOTED you in the post.

Smed said HIMSELF that it was $OE's decision to not even try to renegotiate a contract extension. Again his quote... "Could we have renegotiated? Maybe, but I don't think that would be the right thing for the company."

He knows SWG is no longer profitable. He knows what it would cost to re-license the IP, knows what the game takes in, and knows it would be in the red. His job is not to take a loss to appease you, it is to make money.

What is even funnier is you take "ends in 2012" and interject your own specualtion as fact. That they could hobble along for another 6 months, and because they aren't, you blame some LA conspiracy. If they're losing money, why continue one minute?

You think Bioware was at all concerned about SWG? There were more people IN BETA than in SWG at its peak 7 years ago. There are more people on my TOR server than played SWG the last 2 years. They were not concerned.

And as far as your "mutual decision" quote goes. That is what they always say in press releases. Look at Smed's interview and he takes ownership of the decision.

I understand you're in the denial stage of the stages of loss. Open your eyes and get to acceptance.

 

I am already in acceptance, and not in denial at all. You're eyes are blind to the hatred of the NGE and SOE.

When Smedley said "Could we have renegotiated?" that was between LA and SOE, not just SOE or Smedley himself, unless he likes using royal speech, which I do not believe

SOE giving 6 months notice on a dead game is not their style, it is not any companies style, but it is especially not SOEs style. No other MMO that has gotten shut down gave more than 3 months notice. The only reason it got 6 months is because it was all part of the business decsion across SWG and SWTOR between SOE, LA, EA and Bioware, and that the game was far from dead. The date of Dec 20th release for SWTOR was already set in stone in June. Also from what I heard and is total rumour is that EA wanted SWG to be shut down in Sep and SWTOR released in Sep, but Smedley managed to get 3 months more and got the date for Dec 15th. Believing what unofficial people say on the forums is not usually wise, but this makes sense as the usual timeframe for a closure is 3 months, not 6 months.

What you say is what you want it to be and not what things really are.

Show me one quote, link me one link to support your position, or it is nothing but the rantings of a lunatic.

Smed says himself that he didn't even TRY to renegotiate a contract extension, that it, and I repeat, I don't think that would be the right thing for the company.

I not we. HIS decision.

He knew it would no longer be profitable. He ended it, End of story.

I'll take my direct Smedley quotes over your "rumor" anyday. Your statements are all conjecture, where I'm DIRECTLY QUOTING Smed.

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by Shayde

Originally posted by superniceguy

Shutting down SWG was not a good move for SOE, but they were forced to by LA/EA, and if SOE did not shut down SWG then LA would have sued SOE and would have been bad for the company (as stated by Smedley which TUX  ha quoted on these forums many many times)

 

This is SHEER LUNACY.

Smed said it was HIS decision to shut down SWG. That it was in the best interests of $OE to do so. The contract was up.

Do you know ANYTHING about how intelectual properties work? If you want to use someone's IP, you have to pay them. $OE had a contract to develop SWG, so they paid Lucasarts actual money to do so. Do you get that?

And when the contract ends, which it does in 9 days, you have to EXTEND that contract to legally use the IP. He said, and I quote, "Could we have renegotiated? Maybe, but I don't think that would be the right thing for the company."

"We knew, with the checkered past [of Galaxies], that this would not be a popular decision, but it was just one that we had to make."

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/111549-SOE-Bids-Fond-Farewell-to-Star-Wars-Galaxies

We, as in $OE.

 

Look, you lost your game, I get that. I lost mine when the horrible NGE hit. But open your eyes. $OE made the decision because SWG was no longer profitable. PERIOD.

The contract ends sometime in 2012. Whatever date that is no one knows, but it was not on Dec 31st 2011. Where does it say it ends in 9 days and states an exact date? They only say it ends in 2012, and I do not believe it is Jan 1st. More like June. EA bought out the remaining 6 months contract so SOE would be forced to shut down SWG, and then be able to launch SWTOR. SWTOR would have been able to launch in Sep, if there was not this contract.

Smedley never said it was his decision, they said it was a mutual decision between SOE and LA

Your theories make no sense whatsoever, and make SOE look like the best and super awesome company to ever exist, if I speak sheer lunacy

My eyes are open, yours are full of SOE hate, and are making stuff up to suit your own needs, to the point that even makes SOE look good. My theories all make sense, and all the pieces fall together perfectly

Do you even read links? Go ahead, click that link and see Smed's own words. You know, the ones I QUOTED you in the post.

Smed said HIMSELF that it was $OE's decision to not even try to renegotiate a contract extension. Again his quote... "Could we have renegotiated? Maybe, but I don't think that would be the right thing for the company."

He knows SWG is no longer profitable. He knows what it would cost to re-license the IP, knows what the game takes in, and knows it would be in the red. His job is not to take a loss to appease you, it is to make money.

What is even funnier is you take "ends in 2012" and interject your own specualtion as fact. That they could hobble along for another 6 months, and because they aren't, you blame some LA conspiracy. If they're losing money, why continue one minute?

You think Bioware was at all concerned about SWG? There were more people IN BETA than in SWG at its peak 7 years ago. There are more people on my TOR server than played SWG the last 2 years. They were not concerned.

And as far as your "mutual decision" quote goes. That is what they always say in press releases. Look at Smed's interview and he takes ownership of the decision.

I understand you're in the denial stage of the stages of loss. Open your eyes and get to acceptance.

Originally posted by superniceguy

Shutting down SWG was not a good move for SOE, but they were forced to by LA/EA, and if SOE did not shut down SWG then LA would have sued SOE and would have been bad for the company (as stated by Smedley which TUX  ha quoted on these forums many many times)

This is SHEER LUNACY.

Smed said it was HIS decision to shut down SWG. That it was in the best interests of $OE to do so. The contract was up.

Do you know ANYTHING about how intelectual properties work? If you want to use someone's IP, you have to pay them. $OE had a contract to develop SWG, so they paid Lucasarts actual money to do so. Do you get that?

And when the contract ends, which it does in 9 days, you have to EXTEND that contract to legally use the IP. He said, and I quote, "Could we have renegotiated? Maybe, but I don't think that would be the right thing for the company."

"We knew, with the checkered past [of Galaxies], that this would not be a popular decision, but it was just one that we had to make."

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/111549-SOE-Bids-Fond-Farewell-to-Star-Wars-Galaxies

We, as in $OE.

Look, you lost your game, I get that. I lost mine when the horrible NGE hit. But open your eyes. $OE made the decision because SWG was no longer profitable. PERIOD.

Originally posted by superniceguy

Y'all read this already

I'm sorry I can not take you seriously any more, you are making out my opinions are facts when they are just opinions, and that your opinions are the facts when they are just opinions.

All the evidence points to the fact that both SWG and SWTOR could not co-exist, and all that makes sense. To release it late in Dec instead of earlier or at the start of January, makes no sense, unless SWG was in the way. Dec 15th for SWGs closure has been known since June. For them to make the official release around that is stupid, if SWG was not in the way.

The only reason they could not co-exist is because SWG was dead. If it had 100K players, 200k, you know, pre NGE numbers, $OE would have paid to renew the license and have taken their chances.

But you know it didn't have 20K playing.

SWG was as in the way as a bug on a Ferrari's windshield.

Smed said himself that he knew it wouldn't be a wise business decision to continue SWG past 2011. That's a stone cold fact. He knows how much it costs, he knows how much profit (if any) it makes, and he knows he'll have a large majority leave SWG for TOR for at least a trial basis. HE KNOWS THE FACTS and decided not to even bother negotiating an extension.

You're right about one thing. The two games couldn't co-exist. But it's not some grand LA/Bioware conspiracy like you and others claim, it is simple business. Post TOR, SWG is no longer profitable. PERIOD.

Originally posted by TUX426

Long thread filled with insane conspiracies

LMFAO!!! Wait...are you SERIOUSLY thinking they delayed SWTOR because SWG was still active?! OMFG! Dude...they had 1.5 million people in EARLY RELEASE! The highest SWG ever got was 500k BEFORE the NGE and below 25k ALL of the NGE.

Neither Bioware nor LA give a f'k about SWG. You and your 100 players didn't mean dick to SOE, LA or Bioware. Seriously...stop with the conspiracy crap. SWG players weren't even a THOUGHT in SWTORs release - the less than 1500 of you didn't even account for 0.1% (not 1%... POINT.1%) of the Early release buyers.  0.1%!!!

You can feel however you like about CWA - but it IS classified by the INDUSTRY as an MMO. And I read what you wrote - in fact, I even quoted you and highlighted your false statement.

Well put Tux.

The only thought Bioware had regarding $OE was hiring some of the old developers to help design TOR. After that, they were completely in the rear view mirror.

They had 100 times the preorders for TOR than SWG has players. Do you really think they cared? That LA cared?

The reasons SWG ended when it did were...

1. The license for the IP ended December 31st, 2011 and Smed didn't think it worth attempting to renew it.

2. Smed could save thousands by cutting it off on the 15th instead of the 31st, especially knowing that there'd only be a HANDFUL of players in SWG post TOR.

Y'all need to get your tinfoil hats on, because LA and Bioware had NOTHING to do with SWG closing, it was a business decision that $OE made, SMED SAID SO HIMSELF.

What's a "teh"?

Would you get over it if your loved one was danced around like a puppet for years after they were dead and rotting?

The reality of it is that after the NGE, SWG has TEN PERCENT of the players they had before. We all voted with our feet.

Those still playing were the ones who couldn't let go, playing a shadow of its former greatness making constant excuses for $OE's failures. They just kept taking it. Now they wish the beatings could continue.

Originally posted by VikingGamer

This news actually convinced my to resub. I figure, if the panda's drives off all the kids that are concerned about WoW no longer being cool enough for them to play, that just means less of these annoying brats running around clogging up barrens chat and dancing on mailboxes. Things are looking up for WoW.

Still wish WoW would impliment housing so I could tell these brats to stay off my virtual lawn.

You imply WoW was ever cool to play. :D

They have cows, why not pandas???

This is an awesome idea. I want to preorder it now!!!

It's the best thing they could have done!!! I am preordering it now!!!

The developers didn't as much give us the tools, we took the tools we had and made something more of it.

Much more.

Intrepid had the best player events and content in any game ever.

Originally posted by superniceguy

SWTOR is basically just another devolution from the NGE.

Well if you imply devolving you suggest TOR is a worse game than the NGE.

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