Originally posted by Leucent

This game will not survive a 2nd server. The interest in the game has dwindled. The game doesn t have the resources to bounce back from a miserable launch.

I agree

Your right about that my friend, but it doesn't change the fact that it is a "stereo holder" for me either.

In that sense, a concept is is always something and/or something else at the same time.

Cheers to that!

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Originally posted by otheron3

"The only time a game can be considered a "Grind", is if one is not enjoying playing it, or not able or willing, to try and enjoy the journey, but are focused on some imagined, or not, destination."

 It is an emperical truth that a chair is a chair, not subject to opinion.

I totally agree with that. In fact, i found the first lines of your thread well written and thought out. Much respect to your written thoughs.

Not so sure about whats emperical about a chair being a chair. Because a "chair" can also be a "place to sit" or a "stereo holder" (in my case). That kind of posture, btw, is soooo "schizo"

Originally posted by otheron3

c: an argument that apparently derives self-contradictory conclusions by valid deduction from acceptable premises
3: one (as a person, situation, or action) having seemingly contradictory qualities or phases

It is a paradox because it is only defined as a grind by players that believe it is, as if that's an emperical truth, when in fact, it is not emperical truth at all.    One persons grind is another persons enjoyable game. 

As you said, a grind is only defined as a grind by players that believe it is.

A chair is also only a chair by the people who believe it is a chair.

Hence, you are right, the representations are made and shared by the community who revolves around the concept.

But, dont forget that players who don't believe it is a grind also have an impact on the definition of the concept. They also revolve around the concept (us?). This is where the beauty is, inter-subjectivity, constructivism, nothing is true until accepted by the subjective experience of others. (not in science, see positivism)

Anyways, i still don't see why the concept is a paradox, because the concept of "grind" doesn't appear to derive self-contradictory conclusions by "valid" (what are these?) deductions from acceptable premises (what are those?).

In my mind, a concept such as grind cannot be refered as a paradox.

Defining the word grind might be a grind in itself. However, be careful not to get stuck into a single definition. They tend to narrow the spirit.

Besides, for those who are looking for a definition outside of the inter-subjectivity realm, i wish you good luck. In essence, grind relates to the subjects experience of what is hard and tedious.

A similar situation happened when Tim Ferris published his book. He called work only "the stuff that you do for financial needs and that you would do less of (if you could)". He was critized alot on this particular concept.

Anyways, i encourage this philosophical discussion about the concept "grind"

By the way, the concept of grind is certainly not a paradox. A paradox implies, within a represtation (or system or construct) a contradiction within its own structure. So, the concept of grind has no contradiction within itself. Thus, the concept of grind is not a paradox.

Keywords, For those who are interested :

Inter-Subjectivity Espistemology : Constructivism

Reality outside of subject Epistemology : Positivism (objectivism)

No model is ever right : Schizoanalysis

This review, is a great one.

Inspiring pen i should say.

For my part, having spent over 24hour of play, i would recommend this game.

I had to let it go because i was seeing my life pass by to quickly in times where i needed to get some things done.

Nonetheless, it's a great game.

Originally posted by McDonuts

Originally posted by HashBrick

Is this a joke? Cause it's not funny.

I believe it is a little something called "satire".

dictionary.reference.com/browse/satire

Originally posted by adderVXI

I was on and the server went down during the beta test!!! also the crafting is hard and i died once too!!!!

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Originally posted by Hellrose_AF

WE ALL KNOW girls play games
Why do we need to hear this over and over again?

I'm a girl... I already know I play games...
and I'm especially NOT interested in what kind of games some random chick likes to play.
Is that supposed to prove anything??

If there's gonna be a girl gamer article, tell me something new. Tell me something special that a girl gamer is doing, running a successful guild maybe, or ranking high warlord. SOMETHING OTHER THAN "LOOK AT ME I PLAY GAMES OMG!!"

Thanks.

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