Originally posted by superniceguy

SWTOR is more of a lads game

Perhaps from the perspective of the few remaining SWG players it is.

Something tells me that SWTOR will have more female gamers than SWG has had at its highest peak subscription numbers.

Originally posted by teakbois

Originally posted by Xthos

I may come back, if they really start putting time/money into the game, if not, it will just be a great game that was left to waste by SoE.

 

They had promised a relaunch, long ago, and it never happend, for whatever reason....So I will wait and see, I will not give my money, until I see though.

Read my post above.  SoE invested a lot into the game.  The populations wasnt there and there is *zero* sign that it ever would be there.  The better the game got, the less people that played.

Vanguard SLOWLY got better over a very long period of time.  People left, because they gave up on SOE.  You keep making it sound like SOE was humming along with Vanguard and the game was in great condition, but for no logical reason people left.

During all of this time Vanguard was trying to charge the same exact 14.95 that other games were charging, but had no were close to the level of polish, expansion or developer support.  Is it any wonder why people left?   SOE didn't do enough, fast enough to turn the game around. 

I personally still think Vanguard could see a turn around, but it would require far more than SOE is willing to invest and I'm pretty certain Vanguard is on the bottom of SOEs to-do list. 

Originally posted by Kabaal

Their all new sony station server status page would beg to differ http://www.soe.com/status/

Just to keep things in perspective.  While the DCU US servers are listed at "high", the Vanguard server is also listed as "Medium" and Vanguard doesn't have more than a few hundred players online. 

If less than 300 people constitutes Medium server loads, what does it take to get to Heavy?

Didn't you hear? It's corrupt blizzard employees doing it.

Sorry about your password.

The result would be a game where players are afraid to take any risk at all. 

Sounds cool on paper, but I think the actual execution of this would lead to a really boring game. 

I'm just getting a little tired of gaming companies trying to turn me into a piece of their viral marketing machine.

Originally posted by superniceguy

So, there are more reasons to consider offering LT subs than it just being lack of faith of their product

I don't really agree with most of what you said, but truth be told it was difficult to follow your logic. 

Almost every single game that has offered lifetime subscription fees was doing poorly after release, changing revenue models or both.  Rest assured that if a company is offering lifetime access for $200, it is because the bean counters have determined that the company will make more money from players than if they were to only charge $15 a month.  The only way for that to happen is for players to not play longer than 13 or so months worth of subscription periods.

Seeing a game offer a lifetime subscription is a huge red flag. 

I wonder which faction will have more AFK entertainers and end up winning the most galactic civil war points.  

Originally posted by Teala

They add this now?!  How stupid is that?

Considering the source I would say it is working as intended.

The second best game on the market after SWG is STO?

You ceratinly can pick some real award winners. 

Originally posted by Z3R01

Hey now!

Three months is a long time to game.

I got tired of WAR, Aion, CO, DCUO, STO & TR in less than three months time combined!

Did you go into those games knowing they wouldn't last more than three months?

Buy the game, pay a subscription fee to see what:  The servers close down on Dec 15th?  Buggy untested GM events that fail like the holiday events do?  The last gathering of players that will lag the server to death?

What is someone going to do in a couple of months in the game?

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by someforumguy

It doesnt matter that SWG doesnt have the playernumbers that might hurt SWTOR with a boycott. What matters is that if you do care about SWG, you dont just roll over and accept. Make a riot out of it. It is clear that enough players want to keep SWG alive to make it stay viable. The fact that LA doesnt support this because they want to squeeze every single player they can into SWTOR by any means necessary, just shows they dont give a shit about their fans. This has to get through to the media.

Also ignore the disgruntled preNGE vets that are now gloating over SWG's closure. Everyone knows they would like to kill off SWG regardless of how many players still like SWG.

Cheers!

Great post

Did you really just quote your own post and then congratulate yourself? 

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by superniceguy

I said in the previous post that I do not think that LA/EA/Bioware will offer Lifetime subs for SWTOR. If this comes true, then claims of me being delusional start to lose merit.

Lifetime subscriptions are something very common in a number of mmos these days.   How would that comfirm any of your conspiracy theories?

For that matter how does anything you said even tie together to make some conclusion?  Most of it is baseless assumptions that contradict things SOE has directly said. 

You misunderstand what I say - I am not saying that lifetime subs will be offerred with SWTOR - Thats the thing. Lifetime subscriptions are very common, and chances are high that SWTOR will have it, but I am saying that SWTOR will NOT have it because LA and EA are just too greedy.

What I have said has not contradicted what SOE have said at all.

Lifetime subscriptions are a sign that a company has no faith in their product and they think they will make more money from advanced subscription sales than they will over the long haul.

If SWTOR doesn't have lifetime subscriptions it simply means that bioware has faith in their game and nothing towards reinforcing your claims of whatever you are trying to say.

Originally posted by superniceguy

I said in the previous post that I do not think that LA/EA/Bioware will offer Lifetime subs for SWTOR. If this comes true, then claims of me being delusional start to lose merit.

Lifetime subscriptions are something very common in a number of mmos these days.   How would that comfirm any of your conspiracy theories?

For that matter how does anything you said even tie together to make some conclusion?  Most of it is baseless assumptions that contradict things SOE has directly said. 

Originally posted by superniceguy

Smed did try to renew the licence

"Sony Online Entertainment and Lucas Arts spent months deliberating"

SWG was not a bad game for SOE, it was SOEs best MMO of 2010. SOE wanted to renew SWG, it was LA who did not want SWG running, because LA felt that SWG would get in the way with SWTOR - That is why SWGs closure reflects on SWTOR, because LA brought the NGE, they closed SWG for SWTOR, and they will continue to do these things with SWTOR.

If it was failing there would have been no need for deliberating, it was still a viable game

SWTORs future needs protected, if you do not want another CU or NGE, which is where SWGs populations decreased the most and rapidly.

When SWTOR starts to go through hell, then maybe you will realise it is LA that is the cancer, although by then it will be too late SWTOR will wrecked like SWG was, and SWG will be dead and buried and long gone, with SWTOR looking set for sunet, and no SW game on the market

Also I hope you will then not start blaming Bioware, like SOE

I just wanted to point out one line from the post you linked to

"No one is more disappointed than we are to cancel Star Wars Galaxies; however, we are confident that this was the only decision possible.  This was not an easy decision to make; Sony Online Entertainment and Lucas Arts spent months deliberating, and in the end we had to make the hard choice" -Linda "Brasse" Carlson

Perhaps the words decision and choice are confusing me, but it sure sounds like SOE had plenty of involvment in SWG closing down.

Originally posted by superniceguy

I was believing it was SOE coming up with the Fairy wings, until they brought in the Fedora and whip staright from Indiana Jones. There is no way SOE would have done that, that came straight from LA. If that came from LA, then so did the fairy wings. LA have been doing all these stupid things to put people off SWG, so they would easily move to SWTOR.

LA are playing us all, and those who buy into SWTOR will be the fools

Right, because SOE could never have thought up the whip and hat costume pieces on their own.   You have found the smoking gun that turns the conspiracy theories into hard reality!

Look out, because Lucas Arts is at it again.  They just forced SOE to put Cherub pvp into DCU.  Those dastardly bastards must be stopped from making SOE do things they do not want to!

Originally posted by IAmMMO

SOE are not shutting it down. Lucas is as they won't renew the contract SOE had with them to develope and run the game, they exstended it a few times, now Lucas want it out the way for TOR.

I know people want to find some way to blame Lucas Arts for SWG closing or make it somehow not the fault of SOE, but that just is not the case.

John Smedley has already said that SOE didn't even try to renew the contract, because it wasn't the right thing to do for the company.  Link

Dark and Light  

Horizons

Both games had huge ambitious design goals that really could have made an impact on game design had they come anywhere close to delivering any of it.  To bad they both came out the way they finally did.

Quentin, 

Vanguard is a pretty cool game with a lot of good features.  A game I think everyone should at least try for no other reason that to see what could be in mmos.

However, the one thing that needs to be accepted before playing Vanguard is that it is a game that could be shut down any day and it isn't going to see regular support.  People will be quick to tell you that it got a patch just the other day, but fail to mention it was the first patch in over a year and it was like half a dozen minor bug fixes. 

Going into the game without misconceptions and high expectations is really key to vanguard.  Every few months threads pop up about how the game is rebounding, population growing, the game is flawless, that resources are finally being devoted to the game or some other grand promises. 

My advice is to just play vanguard for what it is, don't expect support and be ready for the posibility that it might close. If you can live with those the game will most likely be a lot of fun without it ending in a problem.

On the bright side, it costs SOE nothing to let the game run unsupported and can generate positive revenue even with a few hundred players.  There really is no reason right now for SOE to close the game so I can't really think of a reason that it would close down soon.