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Originally posted by Naral
Originally posted by InsaneMembrane
Originally posted by Naral
Originally posted by ND3G
To all those with misgivings about Shroud of the Avatar, I hope that you are pleasently surprised. Portalarium just completed their Kickstarter about an hour ago with over $2 million raised and I look forward to watching the game develop over the next year and a half.

Do you realize how little $2 million is in development? That would barely cover a good marketing campaign.

This is looking more and more like a turd with a very thin veneer of gold paint to me, and very much a kickstarter I was happy to avoid.

If I am wrong, and this game actually comes out (which I am skeptical it will) and it doesn't suck, then I will gladly eat crow, but it just looks like a scam to me.


Why does it look like a scam to you?

Well it is a hunch more than fact. People are paying a LOT of money, up front, for a product that is either in a game, or available in a game for a lot less money. This huge chunk of money is being sworn to give you an advantage in the game, but at the same time, the amount of money being asked form seems hardly enough to do a good job in developing the game. 

The fact that it does not seem like RG is asking for enough to do the job, makes it feel like a touch of fraud to me. Plus, just the things others have said. 

But then I have grown pretty distrustful of crowdsourcing on the whole anyway. Loads of promises get swept aside and there always seem to be HUGE delays when the products are delivered. Guess I am just jaded.


Yeah I see a lack of facts out there on this site about this game, it is unfortunate.

I've listened to all of the videos and chats and bla bla bla, I haven't actually even discovered a reason to buy a freakin house. I have one because I donated to get in on the Dev+ stuff they are going to be cranking up soon and because I know Richard Garriott is going to make a great game.

The house is a wank feature, it isn't that important, everything you get in a house another player will have access to publicly in any case. Seriously the only thing I think that the KS guys are given an exit to is your plot tax, and wow big deal. It will be comparable to many other MMOs out there I'd bet, you could earn your weekly tax with one hour of play, I really don't see the huge problem with housing in SotA.

When and if they start screwing us on promises I'll be right there with a pitchfork next to you, promise, I'll have a picture of that for my blog too. Until they start doing that however, I'm not going to expect it because I'm not a jaded twat.


Originally posted by Neo_Viper
Originally posted by lizardbones


Nobody deserves a plot of land or a house in any game. Unless the verbiage for donating money said, "If you give this amount, you most certainly will get a plot of land and a house." In that case, people who donated enough money should get a house, if the game actually releases. But other than that, no, nobody deserves a house or land. They might certainly want those things, but they don't deserve them.

And if those who work hard to get a house (aka DESERVE it) can't get one because there's no more plots available, they will most certainly just quit the game.

Those saying housing is not a major part of the game make me laugh. Look the gameplay videos released so far... yeah, ALL are centered around the house.

Owning a house, even a small village one, gives major advantages to crafters. And that's not only house decoration crafters - also weaponsmiths, armorsmiths, etc...

Having your storage just beside your own forge is just a tremendous advantage... and having your own vendor too.


What is this magical "major advantages" you speak of? Omg the house has a crafting station which are public anyway?

As stated prior, having a carebear crafting station, scrooge mcduck's storage vault, and whatever else you may conjure up as a magical win button advantage it just isn't so. All of these things are provided via public anyway. 

Seriously, having a house in game is to show off one of two things. How big your wang is because you bought/earned one, or two how big your mom's wang is because you stole her wallet.

Lastly, you know this is the very first game of the series of five SotA games which are being released. There will be plenty of chances for a house if you really must put on a skirt and have a go at it.

Originally posted by Hanthos
Originally posted by GungaDin

A house / plot of land is not needed to play the game.  Its just extra fluff.  You can decorate it, place trophies in it, meet with friends or craft from within your house (instead of using a public crafting station).  

You are basically paying for convenience.  


In your opinion, maybe. There is a large segment of the gaming community that feel that housing options should be as mandatory a feature of the game as character creation is. I was very close to backing until this announcement. I now think that I will give it a pass.


That is one of the most... interesting comments I have ever read. I've never come across anyone in recent MMO gaming which has told me they think that they are outright entitled to getting a house. 

This is a new concept for me and doesn't make much sense. I would like to know why you believe that you are entitled to something like that?

I mean what if I don't want a house, you're also going to force me to play house?? I wear no skirt, as it is I'll probably give my citizen home away to some retard crafter or money grubbing douche bag in game.

Originally posted by Naral
Originally posted by ND3G
To all those with misgivings about Shroud of the Avatar, I hope that you are pleasently surprised. Portalarium just completed their Kickstarter about an hour ago with over $2 million raised and I look forward to watching the game develop over the next year and a half.

Do you realize how little $2 million is in development? That would barely cover a good marketing campaign.

This is looking more and more like a turd with a very thin veneer of gold paint to me, and very much a kickstarter I was happy to avoid.

If I am wrong, and this game actually comes out (which I am skeptical it will) and it doesn't suck, then I will gladly eat crow, but it just looks like a scam to me.


Why does it look like a scam to you?

Originally posted by Neo_Viper

This makes me even more worried about the "pay to win" housing system.

Housing will definitely be a major part of this game, notably for crafting.


Pay to win? How do you win from buying a house and then decorating it or storing useless shit you'll never use there?

I suppose it does depend on what you both consider to be pay, and what you consider to be win. For me, I win by finding little home owners out in the woods crafting chairs for their house and ganking their sorry asses.


Originally posted by Swedish_Chef
Originally posted by Aragon100
Originally posted by Nightfyre

From the way it reads, this pre-purchase is the only way to get it, just a head start for the best spots.  You'll still be able to buy a deed and place a house, most likely not in the idea spot for the similar UO merchant locations.

Houses in Ultima Online were important for decorators, merchants and pack rats.  Really sure they are not going limit it just to this, but to those who want a head-start in this area, which is fine since head-starts are in the majority of MMO's now.


And who knows maybe Richard is just funding another trip to the moon and will give up on the game soon after release.  - Aww someone else mentioned this too in their post hehe.

What would the backers that invested loads of money into the game think of others getting a house for free? 


Nobody's saying that houses should be free. Nobody's saying that backers shouldn't get more stuff for the money they're spending. I'm all for backers with $1000 getting an awesome home on their own personal island somewhere, good for them.

What I'm against is the fact that not only are plots available for RL cash, but that they're limited quantity AND players can buy as many plots as they want. This means that people with more money IRL can buy up all the land and essentially prevent anyone else from buying it with ingame currency, thereby forcing players to either buy it with real money or miss out on one of the core features of the game. This is unacceptable. My gameplay experience shouldn't be limited because I lack disposable income. I already donated what I could; being told I have to donate more if I don't want to risk getting locked out of a nice chunk of the content is borderline extortion.

Or in other words, RG is a big fat greedy bastard milking people for all they're worth. If I get a refund, I'm either putting it toward increasing my Wasteland 2 pledge (game looks great so far) or possibly dropping it on Star Citizen.

At least Fargo & Roberts seem to have some sort of integrity left.


I am usually a big proponent for equality in any area. However I don't quite understand your argument, I am a backer, citizen level with a house/plot due to it and I really could care less if other people are buying up land what so ever. You don't need a house in-game to play, I doubt it will give you that much of a leg up on anyone even if you do have one. Keep in mind there are going to be many more people without a house than with one, they will be the majority and they will also get what they want.

Have you not put in enough money during KS or SotA pledge to gain a house, and you are upset that you may not have the chance to earn a house in-game before everyone either pledges or pays IRL $ to get one first?

Richard Garriott is a damn legend, without him you'd probably be playing a My Little Pony game right now. Church.

Originally posted by MumboJumbo

So my question is: If you come AFTER the housing bubble, then how do "you" make your mark in the game, seemingly at a disadvantage? Obviously the housing is not "pixie dust" if demand fuels the housing bubble/land deeds. But then is it not a form of early pay-to-win -- even if you are a generous soul backing ahead of time?

I just want to see how the disadvantages are countered?


The Shroud of the Avatar world will have four additional expansions to it after the initial game has been released, so a total of five "games" if you will.

I suspect that in each of the games, new content and new land plots will be introduced giving those who didn't have a chance to kickstart/back the game to get their hands on some housing. However, I wouldn't expect it to be any different than it is now, before the new "games" or "patches" come out, expect to see the housing/plots up on the web store.

Better than nothing? Mabye.

The role of housing is not clear. It has been stated that getting a house will not exactly be a win button either, it will simply make things easier and quicker for the player. You will still be able to store stuff, sell stuff, and play the entire game without a house of course.

If your goal is to get your hands on housing with only in-game money and then turn a profit IRL, then yes you are at a disadvantage. But other than that, housing really could be pixie dust, it seems totally irrelevant at this point.

Just wondering if you guys have heard of The magicpvpsliderbarthingy(TM) Portalarium devs have come up with?

There is a lot of discussion about crime, PvP, PK, grief, flagging, criminals, justice, and so on. Why? I think it is slightly pointless and only serves as a distraction, and here is why.

If you don't already know, PvP will be optional, and that option is controlled directly via The magicpvpsliderbarthingy(TM). That means you must actually choose to enter into a game mode with The magicpvpsliderbarthingy(TM). Not only that, but when you do enter that PvP game mode The magichandshakesliderbarthingy(TM) will then prevent all players who have not optionally selected a hardcore male non-nub game mode from interacting with your game instance itself.

It really is quite simple.


So if all PvP is optional, then all laws should be thrown out the window. There is simply no need. Let us hardcore players have our fun in the dog eat dog world of chaos while people who don't want PvP are happily chopping down trees somewhere far far away.


But allow them to visit from time to time... Once they see the beauty we create, I am sure they will be more interested in staying than in leaving :P


Originally posted by Bigmamajama

This game is a cash shop before there is even a game.  I expected more from Garrott.  Selling items before launch with no comparable alternative when they go live is sleazy.



I too was pretty surprised on the route Portalarium have taken from the get go on this. It is 2013, let us be honest, every game created now and in the future will be microtransaction based after they go live. What I didn't expect is for some of the bigger things to slide in like these houses.

Then again, it is their game and if we want to play it we'll have to pay it. What I would watch closely though is the fact that they have not closed their direct backing tiers/rewards on the main site, and at the same time they are sliding these new houses in for 100 smacks each... 

Hello Everyone,

I am a member of the Shroud of the Avatar Community and a member of the developer+ community within. I believe you all have the right to know and understand where this information comes from. I was recently banned from the SotA community for my opinions on this(amongst other things), so I hope that it reaches you here.

This information has not come directly to Colin by any official Shroud of the Avatar/Portalarium capacity. The persons Colin has spoken with were an off the cusp, rushed selection of two women whom are friends with the Shroud of the Avatar Community Manager, Gina.

The rest of the Dev+ community wasn’t given an opportunity or heads up on this, the two users who spoke here to Colin said it was “very rushed” due to a “deadline” and that they themselves were not ready for it even.

“…I’m no more ‘privy’ to facts than anyone else.” – Fireangel(Tina)

“Starr did not screen anything and didn’t even have any idea what my opinion on housing is…” – Lori

I do know plenty of people on the forum(both dev and non-dev) who have better ideas, opinions, and experience with housing than the two people selected. Those points could have been presented to the interviewer to enrich that article in any number of ways.

There is more on my blog. Peace.

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