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Exactly, Wow didnt have any effect on the mmo genre it IS the mmo genre and everyone else is a crappy get rich quick copy. Dont get mad at Wow. If anything thank them for bringing you a genre you definately enjoyed wether you played wow or not. How else would all those crappy mmo's you guys love to play get funded and developed? Thanks be to Wow.

I tried rolling a female toon once... Once. Then I realized what Ive done the moment I came into contact with another player. It takes more than proclaiming youre straight and wanting to look at female avatar ass all day, theres more to it than that, at least in mmo's not really single player games but it actually takes a willingness to put up with people treating you like the opposite sex. That was a deal breaker for me.

So I've come to the conclusion that anyone playing the opposite sex wants just that, to be treated like so. But im not playing into their little games, I just treat everyone as sexless or assumed guy. Sorry girls. And guys posing as girls, youre not getting any flowers.

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Originally posted by jeffxsee
Reading this thread has brought a scenario to my attention:

Lets say you have one million players in a given game paying a $15/month fee and you were the CEO that had the ability to make any decisions happen. Lets also say 100,000 players were paying accounts to be gold farmers/botters/RMTers. Would you ban 100,000 accounts and lose the dollars?

By banning 100,00 accounts, you would gaurantee yourself a loss of 1.5 million dollars for the month. Do you think as a CEO the positives would outweigh the negatives? Sure, we will have 900,000 players who play fair and normally happy, but the company itself would loses 1.5 million dollars.

What do you all think?

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What they do is ban them, and then the farmers buy another account. Thats hows the devs get money out of gold selling. They ban the account after a certain amount of time, letting the farmer guy know before hand. He buys another acount as a fee to farm more. If your not on their list of perfered farmers your just banned outright. This is how a former dev at guild wars said it worked anyway, and is why they made an online store to buy the game. So when the farmers rebought accounts they bought from the game company online not at bestbuy. Im sure other mmo's just sell gold outright, just enough not to braek the game and ban any other farmers because they take away from their gold selling profits. Why wouldnt they?

He's wrong. Game comapnies are in on it, and theres devs that will tell you this. He's just not in the loop so the company line is they're against it.

Im an arena style pvp guy myself. Open world ffa pvp is nice in fps's where the games balanced, but in rpg's with artifical levels and skills its a gank fest joke of high level douches vs low level noobs. It more about pissing people off and greifing then its actually about winning and competition in some kind of esport like arena pvp is. I just call it emo PVP.

Aion is a Guild Wars clone, and like WoW clones they will fail because they end up just being poor copies of the orginal without any understanding of what made the original successes. Its just another "me too" game, I call it Guild Wars 1.5, Ill just wait for Guild Wars 2.

Instances... Its called co-op. It let the devs actually make a PVE game without having to worry about respawns, worse graphics, and seemingly everything thats good in RPG games gets watered down just to accomodate a 3d chatroom. Guild Wars is a perfect example. A co-op rpg where the PVE story was for you and your party, not this 100 heroes running around doing the same quest waiting for the same boss to come back to life. How does anyone even call that an RPG game?

The way I look at it PVE games should concentrate on making a good PVE game. That means players vs evironment, with good AI, nice backdrop, good story, a beginning and an end. You cant have this in sandbox game with 1000 other people doing the same thign as you. The best solution for this is co-op which means a private instance of the game for you and your party. This doesnt fit the sandbox idea, but it cant. PVE and sandbox dont go together. Once people that arent invited are invovled its not PVE anymore its PVP. Thats a different game not many want to play. Myself included, well not without a gun atleaste.

Ever heard of wwiionline? Didnt think so, they got 12 or so employees. These are 12 decent paying jobs for a game no ones heard of and nobody plays. What does this tell you? Tells you the monthly fees your paying are a lot more than devs need to keep a game running. Some of these games would still be alive even if they dropped their fee and just had volunteers running it.

Consoles are computers too, they're just crappier computers. Only difference being is quality control. PC dont have quality control, no one controlls the developer consoles do. In a way thats good and bad for PC game devs, gives them more freedom to do what they want, but also gives the bad devs a chance to peddle their crap without any warning to consumers except sites like these.

The crappy computer games some devs make dont give a shit and will put out anything to make a buck. This is what kills the PC industry.

When noobie Ned goes to the local game store and picks out a nice looking box with some fancy graphics on it and then takes it home to realize its a pile of crap he gets discouraged. He does this a few more times and after getting burned enough times he stops buying PC games all together. If you ever checked the games on the shelves in some of these stores theres probably 25 crap games for every 1 thats worth their money. This is what killed the PC industry, not pirates. Pirating was just a counter measure consumers did to protect their money from shitty games. Ive always pirated a game just to see if it can run on my machine and try it out. If it passed the test Id buy the original to play with all the other legit players. But even now I cant even be bothered to pirate some of these crap games, arent even worth the d/l time let alone any money. MMO's have been guilty of this too, putting out bare minimum crap and asking $15 a month for it when the game wasnt even worth the box price. Disgusting.

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Originally posted by Leucrotta

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Originally posted by drbaltazar

 oh men the server idea is a bad one tho,no more world wide event etc 
 

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Ive read somewhere also in an interview that you are only locked to a server to a given point or level for balance,
then after that you are as free to hop shards as in gw1.
 
And events happend in all shards in gw1 too though so

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I liked the district system better. Seperate servers was such a turn off for me when I left Guild Wars for other games. Made the game feel divided and smaller for some reason. When it comes down to it the districts were pretty much dividing population too but it did it in a more friendly way as you could choose any district at anytime. When you got servers with their own names that you cant leave or have to do lots of crap to leave them then it just breaks the illusion that your in one big game. I mean im playing BF2 on seperate servers, is that a mmo?

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Originally posted by Brixon
Why do haters always want to see a game closed down, how is this good for this form of gaming? Ok WAR hasn't lived up to the hype and let many people down, Mythic did drop the ball. Some people seem to take it way too personal, like your girlfriend dumped you or something.
As long as there are people playing, even if it's only one server, I'll keep playing. I like the low cost of entry for PvP. Much like Planetside, you don't need to be high level with maxed out gear to PvP. Sure the game is not as deep as say DAoC, it's more of a beer and pretzel game, but that's fine with me. I just want to get in and play for a couple hours and have fun. Spending months to a year just to be able to get to the end game isn't fun in my eyes. I put up with it in DAoC, but don't really have the patience for it with Aion.
So all of you Aion fans have fun with your new game, but can you all just move along already?

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Because they dont deserve to live. When a game shuts down, it means there was progress in the universe, something has forced it to shut down and is taking its place. They cant get away with being who they are anymore, they have to try harder or die. This makes many of us very happy. And Its only because of the stupid consumer that the rest of us have to suffer with crappy games and expensive fees for no reason other than they can. So when a games go down, which means the consumer has smartened up, then we know something better is on the horizon. But people like you are part of the problem, enjoying yourself, rolling around in feces wondering why everyone is shaking their head at you. Well im glad you guys are finding out that rolling around in feces isnt cool, as evidence by the populations going down in these crap piles for games. So VERY HAPPY, BURN IN HELL WAR and the rest of you, where you belong!!

Looks like the same old crap with some ugly weather effect thrown in. Geez hire some artists you cheap bastards. And this is gonna require a high end machine to run smoothly? No thank you, not worth upgrading for 1999 graphics, not worth a monthly fee for a patch every year, not coming back, EVAR!!

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Originally posted by Lydon

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Originally posted by Consensus

looking forward to gw2, I disagree with devs tho having 1200 skills is what made pvp in gw fun. you could truly come up with some unique character builds. sounds like they are dumbing down the game.
and also its funny how they descirbe instanced pvp as hardcore and world pvp as casual. its kind of the considered the opposite way around for most people.

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I don't think they're dumbing down the game at all by reducing the number of skills available. I think they're doing everyone a huge favour by removing duplicate/very similar skills and reducing the number of skills they need to ensure are balanced.

Let's face it - Guild Wars is nowhere near as balanced as it could be, and Guild Wars 2's reduction in skills could be the answer to this problem.

Lastly, it's logical that arena-based PvP is considered hardcore as opposed to world PvP. The first is structured and organised, whilst the latter is random and often imbalanced.

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You dont want balance. Balance is everyone haveing the same skillbar because there will always be the best build no matter how many tries at balancing you do. The difference with many skills is that it takes longer for people to find that best build. So youre right, less skills would mean more balance but how far do you want to go? to the point of everyone haveing the same skillbar? No. Infact I think the only way to have some sort of balance is to increase the number of skills and complexity so that theres more chances for people not to exploit and find the best build.

PVE and PVP are 2 different animals, killing things in PVE in a variety of different ways with a variety of different skills you can come up with is fun, not so much in PVP where its all about winning. If anything PVP should have less skills or all the same skillbars and not supringly all the PVP events during festivals everyones got the same skillbar. Why? For "Balance" Balance isnt as fun as youd think.

I got an endgame for ya. Death. The End.

low requirments + good graphics + no monthly fees + solo friendly play = WIN WIN WIN

No monthly fees. Not even a little. Id rather just buy the game and own it. I hate renting.

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Originally posted by Scalebane
Meh just an Aion clone, who wants that.

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Whats Aion?

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Originally posted by Tryken
As the title says, with the head-back to college wind blowing, I want something to keep me entertained for those classes which are non-discussion based, and for the inbetweens. So, I'm looking for a free MMO with LOW system requirements. No graphics are too poor (my main MMO is Ultima Online). Anyway, I'd like something that has low system requirements (can work on an Acer Aspire with 1.5 gigs of ram and 1.6 ghz Intel Atom processor).
 
Ideas?

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I got Guild Wars running on a amd 1.8ghz AMD 1 gig ram and some real basic video card I think a Geforce 1 on some old laptop. Getting a nice 29fps so its really playable. For MMO's Guild Wars definately got the best performance for crappy computers and for a one time fee its good for what it is.

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Originally posted by Swanea
Can I skip both for something better?

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Yes, yes you can. Guild Wars 2.

You should stick with the console, the PC version is too good for you.