I am not a troll, and I dislike the game a great deal. You can both not like something and share your views on a message board and not be trolling. I don't want a reaction out of you, I am not fishing for a negative response. I am here because I want to talk about my experiences... share them with other users and maybe save some people on the fence money I wish I could have saved myself. These are free and open forums and we all have that right.

I do not like the game. It is a WoW clone in almost every sense of the word, where the differences lie would be the heavy Korean influence. From the poor sound effects to the button click to loot, and the setting up your character as a merchant out in the world.

The grind. Okay some say it is not so bad, in my opinion it is that bad. I do not want to have to kill a hundred of the same mob to level, I do not want to have to grind anything a game should be fun from the start and should be without you having to put in effort. Going from level 1 to 10 in my opinion takes too long and if you do not grind in between you are not going to be able to kill the mobs in your next level without significant downtime. This is especially true for rogue types. I think it is laughable I can only kill one crab before i have to bandage and or sit and wait to regen health. MMOs as a whole have worked to eliminate down time I don't even mind it taking as long as it does to go from 1-10 I do mind that so much of that time is spent doing nothing but bandaging or resting or running back and forth to places I have already been... multiple times.

Spam? No one can defend the spam levels in this game so please stop trying. I logged in and I could not view ANYTHING going on in the chat window I had gold sellers and power levelers all over the chat  trying to sell their services or wares while encouraging me to visit their websites. Blocking them takes time out of my play time adding to more down time. It is great when they come in every channel including tells... and then you get the ads in in game mail as well. Talk about immersion destroying. Not only that I constantly missed tells from people I was trying to talk to in  the sea of spam. Block it all but know it would all be back the next day... why bother?

Bots... yeah. Again no one here can deny they exist and that they get in the way, beyond that it is just plain frustrating.

In conclusion NOT a game worth the $70 dollars I paid for the CE, and certainly not one I would EVER recommend to anyone I know. To those reading this post.. .I have been playing MMOs since UO in 1997 I am a fan of the genre I love the games... this is not a game I love in fact I didn't even like it... a little.

I would ultimately make your own decision but think long and hard before you spend your hard earned money on a game with so many issues. Hope that helps at least one or two people like me who might not have the extra cash to blow for a game you won't play but 2-3 weeks tops especially when it is painful and not fun to do so.

Originally posted by Lonestryder

Call me old school, but microtransactions of any sort are a deal breaker for me.

 

And it has nothing to do with money.

I am also opposed to micro transactions... I do not like the business model at all.

Thanks guys stuck at the office so I can't instal until I get home. I really appreciate the information and I am looking forward to checking out the game. Even if reviews have been mixed.

I checked the official website it does not seem to me that there is a lot of information there.

Any help you can provide is appreciated.

Thanks,

Thorn

Originally posted by 0guz

WHO SAID YOU AION WILL BE DIFFERENT ?? if you bored with mmos dont play them

WHO SAID YOU INDEED MISTER!

I called three stores here in New York and NONE of them know what I am talking about and none of them were sent pre-order keys.

Originally posted by Syno23

ENDGAME: 

Age of Conan and Warhammer had some amazing gameplay. The storylines sucked but...

Share your thoughts.

Fail right there.

I am sorry to disagree but the Storylines in AoC were actually quite well done in my opinion. I can not comment on Warhammer however.

Originally posted by fldash

Either. Both work out of the box.

Thank you

I could not find where this has been addressed before but can one of you kind souls in the beta tell me... Is this a point and click movement system or can you configure it to use WASD or the Arrow keys?

Thanks in advance.

There are a number of player groups based around being gay, I remember when SWG launched their forums had a major issue with these groups and their right to exist in game.

Personally I just do not much care about it one way or the other, either you are or you are not gay. I do not see it as noteworthy, and I do not get offended by it. 

I am sure there were gay people in the Star Wars universe however ;)

Originally posted by Hagonbok

Look, I know in your little make believe world everything centres around you and what you think, but that's just in your little make believe world. Ok? I don't need to impress you or care whether you take me seriously or not. Get it?

You see this is just another example of the mentality being dealt with here. You think that everything that you want is all that's important, and if you don't get what you want you'll lash out like a little child. A little child trying to use $10 words and look down on those that don't feel the need to, but a child nonetheless.

You just don't get it. Yes the ships were important, and they''ll be important in the game. The insides of the ships weren't important at all. They were props to house the actors in since in a TV series that's pretty much the only option. STO isn't a TV show. It's a game. Walking down ship's corridors scratching yer ass isn't game play. You want to do that before Cryptic gets ship interiors in the game properly? Then avail yourself of one of the text based sim groups and write a story about walking down your ship's corridors scratching your ass. You want to keep whining about them not getting them in when your high and mighty self wants them in? Then by all means keep making a total fool of yourself posting here denouncing the game and the people making it because they're not doing everything exactly the way you want them to.

 

While I appreciate your effort at sarcasm, I really do I live fully in the real world. I do not spend every waking moment on a message board for an unreleased video game trolling, trying to prove my superiority, debating every point even when I do not have a solid leg to stand on. I find your comments above ironic in that sense. In the real world no one cares about your epeen. So stop trying to stroke it here, be a man and take the hit. Your post count doesn't matter, and trying to sell yourself as king of the as yet unreleased Star Trek Online Universe doesn't matter. What does matter is making sense, and being credible in what you say so there is accountability.

In this and other threads you make wild comments basically stating things like MUDs are not the forefathers of MMOs when of course the early MMO developers such as Richard Garriot have said quite contrary and the MOBS in game still bear that name because in muds they were coded and known as Mobile Objects which mob stands for. You might also be interested in learning that MUDS were created and supported by us players and fans of Pen and Paper RPGs after the digital revolution allowed us access to a new form of gaming experience. Wanting to create virtual gaming worlds with thriving economies and ecosystems game out of this very concept.

The name of this site is MMORPG, part of role-playing is existing in a believable fantasy world and that worlds credibility takes a hit when you are locked in by invisible walls unable to act on basic desires like exploring your OWN ship at will.

I am sorry you fail at making even the most basic bit of sense in your arguments all you are is a loud voice. I find it funny you call me a child. A child you see has no way of making a point like "mommy change me I wet myself" except to cry and scram in the loudest voice. It is adults who make their points using $10 words as you call them (sorry to me it is just typing and talking).

That is how it is in the "real world".

Originally posted by ktanner3

While I respect your opinion, and your right to disagree and surveys are conducted for a reason. If your line of thinking held true there would be no point in ever voting or conducting polls and surveys. What you are saying is no matter what you do they are tainted and therefore without value and merit.

That said why are they a staple in our country, and in our world?

If you poll New York state certainly you are going to have a greater result of Democratic leaning thoughts and opinions but knowing this alone allows you to gain value from the information that is gathered. You can do a plus or minus on the results to help you figure out the actual number and therefore the results indeed have value. Or you ca n perceive a clear shift in the line of thinking in a given state. If New York state which has been largely democratic leaning for sometime suddenly started to have a shift in that and the poll results bore that out you would then be able to look at the results and from it along with other research perhaps infer why this was the case.

I am sorry you can not say all polls are invalid as a tool because of any reason. Unless they are blatantly falls, or slanted in such a way as to pad the results then there is value to them. This site is notoriously cynical, demanding, and hard on games. It is a WoW hating community and one that is sarcastic and unforgiving for the most part. Knowing that allows you to look at the poll results with an educated eye. I am not suggesting you accept the results blindly but use it as a tool to educate yourself when making a conclusion.

The results of this poll show beyond a shadow of a doubt people do not favor the decision to not include free roaming of the interiors at launch. Period. The plus or minus on that? I do not know but I do know that as it stands the people here spoke out and were heard. The poll was asked here, the results are relevant here, and should be considered as relevant to the games creators as such.

Originally posted by Nebless

I can't see how it would help gameplay to enter the turbolift, go down 5 decks, over 3 more, get out and walk to the transporter just to beam down to a planet.

Even RP wise I think most would get bored with it.  SWG had the shuttle wait times, great for RP but more and more people wanted a shorter wait as they were spending too much of their actual play time, just standing around.  PoTBS 2 large ports when I punched out, 1 started off with shortcuts in place and the other had them put in shortly after the port went live because they were just too big to waste time running around in. 

While there would be some that would love interiors and would spend their entire game time just walking all over I think most of us are wanting something else out of the game.

Also the dev's have said there WILL be some interiors on the ship.  No you can't decorate but I can only think of 1 ship out of all the TV shows, movies and books that had a different non-stock federation look to it. 

For those that say all the interesting stuff happened on the ship.  I'll go 50/50 with you there as a number of shows were like that but even those could be instanced down to just the few areas that stuff happened in - orig ST where the Kilgons where on the ship with them and they had swords to fight with: bridge, 1 alcove in a passageway, engineering, passageway outside of engineering and I think 1 other spot. So instead of having the entire ship there with 90% not used we cut it down to 6 instanced areas to fight through. 

It's workable and not being able to go visit the head on deck 85, frame 600 isn't going to affect my gameplay.

 

Excellent points all, I say again it is not for everyone and I totally respect that the game's designers have to appeal to the broadest audience. If a person is happy with no interiors it is their right, and that is what this thread is about isn't it? To try and nail down some opinions on that very topic. Everyone has an opinion, some care and some do not. Personally I would want free run of my ship, I do not need to see EVERY little part but I want to be able to move about it freely and see as much of it as is humanly possible. I am not a fan of restrictions, invisible walls, only allowing access during specific events.

Again it destroys immersion. That is my personal opinion, and for me it is a game breaker. Not for you AWESOME! Enjoy the game, the threads point was to figure that out and it should able to do that without overly opinionated people pushing their own personal agendas and running people down to try and make themselves feel superior.

I especially love the claims of "poll padding and espionage" because so much is to be gained from doing that. \

I will be honest I did in fact laugh out loud when I saw that.

Originally posted by Hagonbok

Originally posted by Thornwolf

Originally posted by sanedor

Originally posted by Hagonbok

Originally posted by ozmono

Originally posted by Salvatoris 

I think it speaks volumes about the type of game they are making.  It's going to be an action MMO, and probably won't have the kind of depth it would take to keep me interested for too long.  Unfortunately, I think the same thing will be true for the Star Wars MMO.

 

I agree, if it were as simple as not having ship interiors it wouldn't have bothered me but theres lots of gameplay options that cannot be realized if you cannot even walk inside your ship and as you said it says alot of the type of game they are making. As for the new Star Wars MMO I didn't expect anything from that but I thought star trek may indeed offer some more depth. It just seems like it'll be dumbed down eve with some quest on planets.

Except players will be walking around ships in episodes where doing so is relevant to the story being told. Please go and learn something about the game. Thanks.

Hag all you do in defend them, can we say major fanboy.. if they took out ships and added bikes you would think it was so great they where thinking out of the box..

but i will still try it, but hope they add it later ..

 

 

That was funny.

 

I have been in this forum for a heartbeat now and hag, I am going to be honest all the LULZ and ROFLCOPTERS mark you as someone who is really immature, you might even have valid points but they are going to be lost on anyone with an IQ over ten. It is typical elitist 14 year old WoW guild speak coming out of your mouth and no one wants to hear that.

As to the topic at hand, which is a valid topic with a supporting poll with a small sample which does in fact represent the greater overall feeling of the gaming public who patronizes message boards. I feel they are about accurate and it is easy enough to say well a small amount claim it is a deal breaker, but it is the largest amount represented at the time of my writing. Add in the numbers from the other two categories and it seems fairly obvious it is a matter of concern for a large enough segment of the population.

I would also like to ask why it is people feel the need to thumb their noses at those who might actually enjoy this aspect of the game. Player housing is something I want in game in all my MMOs the technology is there for this to be in game. I find when there is no housing it is due to laziness and it is always promised later. Same thing with vehicles. We have had over 10 years of MMOs and we have the technology, the experience, and talent to create games without adding in things like vehicles, mounts, housing, and ship interiors AFTER the fact.

Also as a fan of the Star Trek universe dating back quite some time I am going to be honest with you, the ships WERE the universe. Yes they were boldly going... but they were going IN the ship. When the ship was invaded you felt like sacred ground was desecrated, if the ship was lost all hope was not far behind. So many of those stories and epic battles from the original show to TNG and beyond took place ON the ship and NOT just on the bridge I fail to see how this can not be seen as a major part of any game about Star Trek. In fact it boggles the mind.

If you want to zip through space shooting at each other (pew pewing for those of you with an IQ deficiency) there are games for you, but if you want to create a Star Trek game. How can it be you will not be able to see the rest of the ship where epic stories have been told, and the lives of friends have been lost for over forty years.

 

Well firstly, I couldn't care less what you think about my use of very well known, and oft used for years, intenet forum colloquialisms.

 

and secondly... well secondly your post is so full of untruths and mistakes I just don't want to start in on it because it would just be mean of me I think. You go ahead and believe all the rubbish you want to believe mate. All the power to you. Just don't expect that very many others will buy into it.

 

I am glad you do not care you go on sounding like a child, and I and many other people will go on not taking you seriously. Especially when you use it to try and put people down. I am not talking about internet short hand which is lazy in and of itself, and I think despite your feigned ignorance you know exactly what I a m talking about.

More over just because it has been used by some on the internet for years doesn't mean you need to stoop to that level it is lazy, implies ignorance, and is more used by people beneath our stature. You have been selling yourself as some sort of wizened sage type and sadly that is not the face you are showing. You scream "rabid fan boy" '14 year old internet troll" "elitist WoW-head". I am not running you down I am trying to help you... because I care.

Please point out the untruths in my post, I welcome that. Instead of just trying to sell yourself as superior to me (a common thread in all your posts. We get it you think you are better than everyone else.. okay tone down the rhetoric already no one is buying it we just think you are a clown) Seriously where is my post presenting untruths? Where have I said anything that is false? I am pretty sure my post simply states factual information based off official press releases you yourself are touting as fact, so unless you are privy to information us lowly peasants are not please astonish me and the rest of your reading public (because clearly you think you are on a stage) with you acumen.

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by Thornwolf

 

As to the topic at hand, which is a valid topic with a supporting poll with a small sample which does in fact represent the greater overall feeling of the gaming public who patronizes message boards. I feel they are about accurate and it is easy enough to say well a small amount claim it is a deal breaker, but it is the largest amount represented at the time of my writing. Add in the numbers from the other two categories and it seems fairly obvious it is a matter of concern for a large enough segment of the population.

This site hardly represents the gaming public. If it did, World of Warcraft would be the least selling game there is since it has been bashed to death for the last 5 years around here.The poll only represents the overall feeling of the folks who frequent this site, which from my experience consists mostly of people who are never happy with any game. Take a poll of the people in the actual STO forum and you would get a much different result. And no, that isn't a forum of fanboys.Many of us there have different opinions on what should and shouldn't be in game. It just doesn't consist of a "my way or the highway" mentality on specifics.

This site is visited by gamers correct? Those gamers are players from the public sector? That celary places this as a valid source to target an uadience for reviews, feedback,  and opinions on games and game features. Yes every forum develops it's own personality to a way making it a specific target audience but that does not invalidate the results of the surveys or their findings. Even players in the WoW forums bash WoW so your point about that is completely moot I am afraid.

I would also like to ask why it is people feel the need to thumb their noses at those who might actually enjoy this aspect of the game. Player housing is something I want in game in all my MMOs the technology is there for this to be in game. I find when there is no housing it is due to laziness and it is always promised later. Same thing with vehicles. We have had over 10 years of MMOs and we have the technology, the experience, and talent to create games without adding in things like vehicles, mounts, housing, and ship interiors AFTER the fact.

For you they are important, for most people they are fluff. Housing is not gamebreaking for most people and it adds lag and headaches for the developer. Too much of a hassle for something that is only enjoyed by a small niche audience. That isn't thumbing their nose at an audience, it's called making a wise business decision.

Clearly for me it is important. I am giving my opinion, therefore it is only my feelings I am speaking of, that said I even went out of my way to qualify my statement for those who might take a shot at it by saying " Player housing is something I want in game" I never speak for you or anyone else. I also disagree with you about the compnay thumbing their nose at the public, delivering an incomplete, less than well rounded game to the public when you have raised expectations late in development is certainly poor business. It would be like me offering you a house with a pool for sale and then ripping up the deck the week before you buy. You would certainly be disillusioned as many fans here and else where on the internet seem to be.

Also as a fan of the Star Trek universe dating back quite some time I am going to be honest with you, the ships WERE the universe. Yes they were boldly going... but they were going IN the ship. When the ship was invaded you felt like sacred ground was desecrated, if the ship was lost all hope was not far behind. So many of those stories and epic battles from the original show to TNG and beyond took place ON the ship and NOT just on the bridge I fail to see how this can not be seen as a major part of any game about Star Trek. In fact it boggles the mind.

So many of the stories and epic battles will take place in ships, starbases and land so you should be perfectly happy with the direction this game is going. Like in the show, you only saw the jeffries tube when they were there for a reason. You only saw the bridge of a ship when the episode called for it. You'll do the same in the game. You just won't be able to see your security officer picking his nose or hitting on a cute ensign while chatting on the bridge with your buddy and drinking earl grey.

Well, that is the thing. For me and for many others we want that experience. As an example in Ultima Online I wasn't just able to enter my tower when a story was taking place there, I could go when I wanted. That is the whole point of open ended multi-player games. This is becoming less like a sandbox game where you can go and do as you please and more like a "you go where we let you go when we let you" that works for you... awesome. It does not work for me. It destroys my immersion and lessens the appeal. As I said. You have your opinion great, I have mine. This right here is a deal breaker for me and Star Trek in this form is being removed from my "to buy list" I don't expect you to care, but with enough unhappy people the games creators WILL care because the game will fail. I am 37 I am a long time fan, the chance to walk around the ship and do as I want with it for ME was half of the appeal. You don't care? Brilliant. Game on.

If you want to zip through space shooting at each other (pew pewing for those of you with an IQ deficiency) there are games for you, but if you want to create a Star Trek game. How can it be you will not be able to see the rest of the ship where epic stories have been told, and the lives of friends have been lost for over forty years.

Please read the Faqs that I have posted in another thread and which are available on the official website. It is not going to be just pew pewing. If you dpn't want to play the game because had your heart set on Star Trek SIm, that is perfectly valid. But don't make shit up about what the game is due to ignorance.

I have made nothing up about the game, and the focus of the game certainly has shifted from what we were lead to beleive initially. The games emphasis now is on combat, that is all well and good most games are it appeals to the masses. I don't mind that but you lose people like me when you restrict game play to those situations. It is like taking trade skills in a game and FORCING people to level combat skills to raise them it is a poor model and one that is generally frowned upon. It is certainly one where you leave a lot of paying customers behind and you also lose out on a lot of their dollars. hard to keep a game running that way.

 

 

Originally posted by sanedor

Originally posted by Hagonbok

Originally posted by ozmono

Originally posted by Salvatoris 

I think it speaks volumes about the type of game they are making.  It's going to be an action MMO, and probably won't have the kind of depth it would take to keep me interested for too long.  Unfortunately, I think the same thing will be true for the Star Wars MMO.

 

I agree, if it were as simple as not having ship interiors it wouldn't have bothered me but theres lots of gameplay options that cannot be realized if you cannot even walk inside your ship and as you said it says alot of the type of game they are making. As for the new Star Wars MMO I didn't expect anything from that but I thought star trek may indeed offer some more depth. It just seems like it'll be dumbed down eve with some quest on planets.

Except players will be walking around ships in episodes where doing so is relevant to the story being told. Please go and learn something about the game. Thanks.

Hag all you do in defend them, can we say major fanboy.. if they took out ships and added bikes you would think it was so great they where thinking out of the box..

but i will still try it, but hope they add it later ..

That was funny.

I have been in this forum for a heartbeat now and hag, I am going to be honest all the LULZ and ROFLCOPTERS mark you as someone who is really immature, you might even have valid points but they are going to be lost on anyone with an IQ over ten. It is typical elitist 14 year old WoW guild speak coming out of your mouth and no one wants to hear that.

As to the topic at hand, which is a valid topic with a supporting poll with a small sample which does in fact represent the greater overall feeling of the gaming public who patronizes message boards. I feel they are about accurate and it is easy enough to say well a small amount claim it is a deal breaker, but it is the largest amount represented at the time of my writing. Add in the numbers from the other two categories and it seems fairly obvious it is a matter of concern for a large enough segment of the population.

I would also like to ask why it is people feel the need to thumb their noses at those who might actually enjoy this aspect of the game. Player housing is something I want in game in all my MMOs the technology is there for this to be in game. I find when there is no housing it is due to laziness and it is always promised later. Same thing with vehicles. We have had over 10 years of MMOs and we have the technology, the experience, and talent to create games without adding in things like vehicles, mounts, housing, and ship interiors AFTER the fact.

Also as a fan of the Star Trek universe dating back quite some time I am going to be honest with you, the ships WERE the universe. Yes they were boldly going... but they were going IN the ship. When the ship was invaded you felt like sacred ground was desecrated, if the ship was lost all hope was not far behind. So many of those stories and epic battles from the original show to TNG and beyond took place ON the ship and NOT just on the bridge I fail to see how this can not be seen as a major part of any game about Star Trek. In fact it boggles the mind.

If you want to zip through space shooting at each other (pew pewing for those of you with an IQ deficiency) there are games for you, but if you want to create a Star Trek game. How can it be you will not be able to see the rest of the ship where epic stories have been told, and the lives of friends have been lost for over forty years.

I have the early access card as I pre-ordered but I do not see where there is an option for me to pre-pay to download the early access? How do I set that up exactly?

I have found the communication very much lacking in this area, and that bothers me. I am willing to pay for the access but at no point when I was registering my early access card did it prompt me to  do anything more. All of the subscriptions i see are for Anarchy Online. Can anyone point me in the right direction here?

I just went and picked up my RAVE card, which finally arrived. Of course this thrilled me to no end. Sadly I have had no time to read it over, or research it on the net as yet. So I turn to you my comrades in arms here at MMORPG.

What is the process for using it? Should I go "register" now? Will they let you creat an account at this point already? Do you have to wait unti lthe 14th to register, redeem the RAVE card, and then download?

Just a bit confused. Your help is as always appreciated.

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Those cards are now in store for people who made in-store pre-orders. The card contains the pre-order code which grants your War Mammoth mount and also access to download the cliet beginning May 14, 2008 and early access to the game on May 17, 2008. The first words at the top of the card are Age of Conan Hyborian Adventures In-Game Exclusive and the card in red in color with a gold scratch strip concealing the actual code. (Description included in case you need it to give to the store clerk who doesn't seem to know what you're asking for).

Have fun!

Just an FYI.

Ultima Online actually had its first live test in early 1996, it was termed as many are an alpha test.

That said I started playing UO in 1997 for the bulk of my time in UO I played on the Catskills shard. I loved UO, it was my favorite MMO to date and no game since it has been able to capture that magi for me. I have played most all of them, including the bulk majority of the free offerings and some are better than others.

I played UO for 4 years roughly. EQ for 3-4 years, with a few breaks here and there. DAoC, SWG, AO, and so on down the line. Oddly enough never got into AC despite giving it a couple of tries, and I never bothered to try Shadowbane. Other than that I have played pretty much all the commercial releases up to and including Vanguard, PotBS. Hell I even played the Matrix Online.

UO, EQ, and WoW so far have been my favorites. Not that each was without issue, because CLEARLY they all had their own problems. But UO offered the right mix of things and no game has put them all together since then which makes zero sense to me.

It was one of the first, and clearly the one that was the first major commercial success. Why people would stray so far from a successful formula and failed to return to it is beyond me.