i know this might never work. but that does not mean its not worth a shot at it.

maybe we will find out who owns or has the DNL server so we can at least start our own servers.

anyone know what happend to it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PipMlwQnI88

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jfzE0fw64w&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiZbj97Ujzo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ejt9I6z3jw&feature=related

The politicians point and blame the corporations for their shame, yet they clam
we would not be your prostitutes if you where unwilling to pay.

We take your money and play our game.
We blame it on each other to keep the ball in play,
in our hands We pass it back and forth.
and watch people take a seat, pick a side then they watch us play our game.
They cheer when we score a point never knowing it was all planned out before.
And look the money flows in as they pay us for the show it is nothing
compared to our corporation sponsors that pay us how to vote.
Yet behind closed Doors we make the deals, create our scripts, and rehears our lines.
Then go out on the floor and perform our show, Like a wrestler in his fame,
the politicians are just as Fake.

Yet they Fear that one day you, America will wake up, And see the game for what it is.
And kick all of them out without there pay. Maybe even try them for treason for their deceitful display.

Remember America they have all Taken an Oath to us.
And the braking of that Oath is Treason against all Americans.
They have attack our constitution, and for that they are a Traitor.
that have taken our rights that shall not be infringed, for that they have committed Treason.

But the biggest crime that has happened, is we as Americans have done nothing and have let them get away with this for so long.

Its time for us to wake up stand up and fight back before we are no longer free.

A close friend of mine his brother is(was) in Iraq and made the front page or our newspaper (back in the USA).
He said "they did not take a picture of me when I busted Iraqi’s smuggling millions of us money out.
Nor did they take a picture of me when I caught them sneaking explosives and Guns out.
But the one day I kick back and relax by laying in the sand and making a sand angle (like snow angle).
They take that picture and put it on the front page."
 

i also will add this to the OP.

This is a vary gruesome video of the evil things the US troops are doing.
I mean well its funny you will just have to see.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3iY45m0v1Y&feature=related

Our US Troops are the Best. be safe and keep up the good work.

A close friend of mine his brother is(was) in Iraq and made the front page or our newspaper (back in the USA).
He said "they did not take a picture of me when I busted Iraqi’s smuggling millions of us money out.
Nor did they take a picture of me when I caught them sneaking explosives and Guns out.
But the one day I kick back and relax by laying in the sand and making a sand angle (like snow angle).
They take that picture and put it on the front page."

The Price of Gold does Not Go up and down.
The power of our money goes up and down.
(I know we say the price of Gold goes up. But that really means the power or strength of our money is down.)

And if you Buy Gold for a back up, for paper money. Make sure you are the one that holds the gold.
So Do not buy this gold stock. Buy Gold bullion. Where they send you the Gold and you keep it locked in a safety deposit box.

What is Gold worth well its used in the making of computer parts. a lot of electrical switches.
There is a lot of things that are made from Gold its not just for jewelry or looks.

Nothing like holing 10 ounces of Gold.

when you work hard and find it in your back yard its even better. Gold is always worth something.

where paper money is not even good to wipe your back side with if.
 

all about health care in canada

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2jijuj1ysw

The Truth About Canada and there health care.

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by DeadDOG

i really want to know HOW THE Heck passing the healthcare bill will Balance our deficit?

Obama has said this time and time again.

That it will save us a lot of money?
And that insurance companies, doctors, and hospitals are greedy.

But it is these 3 that have to pay for the uninsured that they have to treat for free by law.

(sure they pass the cost on to us their Customers.)

How is the government forcing the tax payers to pay for the uninsured going to save the Government money?

and balance our deficit?

 If the Government is not the one having to pay for the uninsured in the 1st place? !!!!

they just want a way to get a hold of more of our Money.
and something that will let them have more control over us.
And another reason for them to raise our Taxes seeing there going to need a lot more of our money to take care of us.
And another pot of money that they can dip in to when they want to.

 

I think it's the same thing as taking away your drivers license if you don't get car insurance. There's less uninsured drivers on the road, which means more people pay into the pool, which means you pay less for car insurance.

They are going to make people get health insurance, which means the free loaders going to the hospital for free health care will be paying something into the system.

So if you COULD afford health care, but you buy a new car instead, you'll be fined.

The people that can't pay get free health care if they go to the hospital now, they'll still get it after reform. That doesn't change.

But what changes is the people that can pay will have to get insurance, so they can't just walk in the hospital, say oh sorry I dont' got no money, I spent it on a  new car, but the law says you got to treat me, thanks, I ain't payin mah bill, bye.

Then they hostpital charges you double to make up for that.

 

Ihmotepp you are not getting it.
 

how can someone that does not pay for our health care. say that they will take over it and pay off the deficit.

seeing the Government is not the one paying for it. the people that pay for it are.

 (we do)

So they are saying give us the money and we will pay off our deficit (bill), and we will also give you health care along with everyone that does not have it.

i really want to know HOW THE Heck passing the healthcare bill will Balance our deficit?

Obama has said this time and time again.

That it will save us a lot of money?
And that insurance companies, doctors, and hospitals are greedy.

But it is these 3 that have to pay for the uninsured that they have to treat for free by law.

(sure they pass the cost on to us their Customers.)

How is the government forcing the tax payers to pay for the uninsured going to save the Government money?

and balance our deficit?

 If the Government is not the one having to pay for the uninsured in the 1st place? !!!!

they just want a way to get a hold of more of our Money.
and something that will let them have more control over us.
And another reason for them to raise our Taxes seeing there going to need a lot more of our money to take care of us.
And another pot of money that they can dip in to when they want to.

Plasuma. at least you are looking in to it.
that’s more then a lot of people do.
as for where we get our information it seems that a lot of places and scientists get there information are under investigations for there manipulation of that information they have been handing out.
so maybe some day we will find out what is really going on.

as for man made global warming Goes its a hoax.

sure we need to take care of the environment we live in.
but this new religion of kill yourself to save the planet is just Nuts.
I think the tesla roadster it rocks. and of all the things I am doing and have one is work on a clean power source that will run as good as Gas and will free us from the use of Oil.
but until that happens lets not start killing each other off just so we can have less CO2 in the air.

http://www.teslamotors.com/
 

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Zindaihas
 

Yeah, so what?  Are you saying that a non-religious person, say an atheist, who was in a courtroom with the ten commandments hanging on the wall would somehow feel intimidated or pressured just because there were there?  Most courtrooms already have the phrase, "In God we trust on them," as does our money.  I don't know too many atheists who hate to handle money.  Honestly, if I were an atheist and on trial for a crime and I was in a courtroom with the ten commandments in it, that would probably be about the last thing on my mind.  I'm sure I'd be more concerned at how well my attorney was defending me.

 

That's the point. You're NOT an atheist. How can you speak for all atheists and how can you know they are not intimidated or pressured.

I believe you completely when you say YOU would not be.

But we're not talking about YOU are we?

 

Well, OK, fine.  So they would be.  It still doesn't violate the First Amendment.  Which means it would be their problem, not the judge's.  The only thing that would matter is whether or not the judge ruled impartially.  If the judge were a Christian and he allowed his personal beliefs to interfere with his job as judge, then I would be the first one to say that he needs to be removed from the bench.

 

The Judge is working right? And we agree he's supposed to do his job.

What gives him the right to decorate the court room? That is NOT his job.

Can you just decorate where you work however you like? I'm assuming you're not the boss or owner of the company. And if you are, can your employees just hang up whatever they like?

It makes no difference what religion the Judge is. He's free to practice it however he likes when he leaves work. Just because you're a Christian doesn't give you the right to hang the Ten Commandments where ever you choose, even if you work there.

The Judge doesn't own the Courtroom. It belongs to the People.

Now, if the Judge owns a shoe store, and he wants to hang up the Ten Commandments in his shoe store, then he certainly can.

 

so because the Judge works for the people he no longer has any of his Constitutional protected rights when he is on the job?

and i tought it said.

Amendment I - "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
 

but you are telling me now, that what the 1st Amendment really said is;

Amendment I - "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof Unless you are At work and paid by the people; or abridging the freedom of speech Unless you are At work and paid by the people, or of the press Unless you are At work and paid by the people; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Unless you are At work and paid by the people"
 

I agree Bill Ayers should have been tried in civilian court.
He was after all a citizen of the USA.

As for all the Non-citizens, all it does is cost the US Tax payer a lot of money.
And gives them a OJ Simpson spot light.

maybe they will Wright a Book about it and make money and then become a school teacher to lead more people in to killing.

or kill them with Pigs blood.

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by DeadDOG

Originally posted by DeviousInc

Originally posted by DeadDOG

Originally posted by Cleffy

Federally recognized marriage is unconstitutional.  It doesn't matter if you are straight or gay, the constitution clearly states religion is suppose to be separate from state affairs.

 

Cleffy can you tell me where in the Constitution it says that?

just please point it out. oh its not in there is it. lol you do not even know do you.

now i am picking on you some. but i not attacking you ok.

i want you to look it up and then message me ok. to many people think that its in the constitution but that is not.

but i agree that no state can declare that you have to be of the state religon.

 

Try reading the first amendment.

 

Amendment I - "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

 

so tell me where it said "constitution clearly states religion is suppose to be separate from state affairs."

from what i see it said that The state and federal Government are to stay out of religion. Not that religion or religious people are to stay out of the state.

but then again i did Read it.

maybe you need to Read it also.

It clearly says make no law respecting an establishment of religion. What this means is that no law shall be passed with the intention to satisfy the agenda of any religion or religious organization.

Amendment I - "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Congress shall make no law (with reference to; concerning) an establishment of Religion, or (to prevent somebody from) the free ( practice ) thereof.

Dictionary (1913)

respecting: To regard; to consider

Congress shall make no law (To regard; to consider) an establishment of Religion, or (to prevent somebody from) the free ( practice ) thereof.

How are you getting this Interpretation?

by Gameloading "What this means is that no law shall be passed with the intention to satisfy the agenda of any religion or religious organization."

under your Interpretation the laws against Murder and stealing should have never been made. seeing they are from religion. ( I know that people can have morals with out the Commandments of God. and we all know murder is wrong. but this is part of the agenda of religion.)

So if you are going to interpret the 1st part this way how can you get past the 2nd part.
Your interpretation is in conflict with the 2nd part.

or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

Now I think if someone wants to pray even a teacher they should be allowed to. That is part of their freedom, if others want to join it they should be able to.
( no one should be forced.)

If they can let Muslim students and teachers pray in school they can let any one of any religion pray. (not force them to)

 

when someone start out telling you "What this means"

They are really saying You are to ignorant, to know, or look up the words yourself.
Seeing that they think you are lesser of a person they feel the need to tell you what it means.

What you should say Is "what it is saying" is that our State, or federal Government can not Do Is pass a law that will force us have to join a State wide or Federally wide Religion, or pass any law against or For Religion.

(how then can they pass laws prohibiting prayer? or in some cases prohibiting Prayer of all religions but one religion?)

Seeing they left England because if you where in England you would have to be of the Church of England or of what ever Church the King or Queen told us we had to be. (some times it was the catholic church. Just depended on what there King or Queen wanted.)
 

Originally posted by DeviousInc

Originally posted by DeadDOG

Originally posted by Cleffy

Federally recognized marriage is unconstitutional.  It doesn't matter if you are straight or gay, the constitution clearly states religion is suppose to be separate from state affairs.

 

Cleffy can you tell me where in the Constitution it says that?

just please point it out. oh its not in there is it. lol you do not even know do you.

now i am picking on you some. but i not attacking you ok.

i want you to look it up and then message me ok. to many people think that its in the constitution but that is not.

but i agree that no state can declare that you have to be of the state religon.

 

Try reading the first amendment.

Amendment I - "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

so tell me where it said "constitution clearly states religion is suppose to be separate from state affairs."

from what i see it said that The state and federal Government are to stay out of religion. Not that religion or religious people are to stay out of the state.

but then again i did Read it.

maybe you need to Read it also.

The Ice Caps have refrozen. they are now larger then they have been in 100's of years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5j4QstRsSg

here you go look at the Ice caps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcv983b-EDU

Originally posted by Cleffy

Federally recognized marriage is unconstitutional.  It doesn't matter if you are straight or gay, the constitution clearly states religion is suppose to be separate from state affairs.

Cleffy can you tell me where in the Constitution it says that?

just please point it out. oh its not in there is it. lol you do not even know do you.

now i am picking on you some. but i not attacking you ok.

i want you to look it up and then message me ok. to many people think that its in the constitution but that is not.

but i agree that no state can declare that you have to be of the state religon.

Originally posted by xpowderx

Areas highlighted in RED are subject to question.

 

U.S Constitution preamble:

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

 

what is our Goverment doing to insure domestic tranquility? walking all over the constitution promoting,

Tea partys all over the USA.

what are they doing to promote the general welfare? spending more money then we can repay. bankrupting the country. and giving themselfs a pay rase.

well this will put us on welfare but wait they do not have any money for welfare there Broke.

what are they doing to secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity?

What posterity the only ones making money are our elected representatives and there buddies,

as our Government goes bankrupt

Vote everyone Out. we need a real change clean the white house out.

Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe

Originally posted by xpowderx

Originally posted by paulscott

Even if some 30% of the nation was unbreedable to what you call a "disease" the stance that the founders would have had would have been "the govt. shouldn't care".   And probably would have said something about social morality being the job of the state, meaning that constitution could have never been drug into something as retarded as this.

You are correct that the constitution should not have been dragged around for the past 40 years or so by Gay activist's and supporters. I concur!

If the founders had to make a stance I doubt they would say what you said. As the majority of the founders were both Protestant and Free Masons.

 

Actually, most of the founders were deists who paid lip service to Christianity for political reasons. But even under the tenents of Protestantism, a person's sex life is between them and God and no business of other mortals. Protestant theology stresses that one should foster a personal relationship with God rather the institutionalized relationship that was put forth by the Catholic Church. Likewise, it is impossible under Protestantism for mortal men and women to know with any certainty who is elect and who is damned. Good works are not a measure of salvation in the Protestant theology. 

In short, Protestants believed that you should worry more about your own soul than your neighbor's.

what Founders are you talking about?
 

the ones of the constitution? or the Pilgrims?

but yes they did not want anyone to be forced in to a religion like they had been back in England.

how would anyone in the USA like being forced to be Muslim?

The constitution gives them every right to be Gay.
The founders did not want anyone to be forced in to a religion they did not agree with.
(for the Religious people out there. God does not want anyone forced to Obey his way, the commandments are for the ones that want to follow Gods ways.)

Now its not unconstitutional for them to be Gay or live as they want.

What is unconstitutional is for them to try to force us to say they there lifestyle is OK and acceptable by us.

If you want to live your life that way it’s the will of God and also your rights given by the creator and in the USA protected by the constitution.

That the state government can not take away your God given rights (at least not the ones listed in the bill of rights.)

And the Federal government is what should be protecting your rights that the constitution tells them they- (the federal or state Government) can not take away.

Yet it seems that it’s the federal government that is trying to take the freedom from the people.

Just as its their right to be Gay, it our right to not support them in their lifestyle.