All Posts by coffee

Originally posted by Yaros

First - software used for recording videos adds some lag.
Second - are you US or EU beta? As I know EU beta is laggy (GOA sucks)

EU .. i recorded the video from my laptop (playing on my desktop), duel video output on my desktop so no additional lag due to fraps running.

I think the skill deck is great.. not seen it before so be good to see if it does work.

Ah so they have finaly udaed the site.. Aklaim is the NA publisher.. meh I think they released some Amiga games back in the day... but since then?

Originally posted by Mythsyin

To start you are VERY BAD at RvR.  I played WoW for a long time, and i've been in WAR beta since last July.  I've seen this game transform like crazy, and alway's for the better.

I don't know how you lag, and I don't with that many people on the screen.  I have an amd 6400 - 2gigs of ram - 8800gts 320mb and i can be in 24v24 situations with no lag like you say you are experiencing.  Also remember.. ITS BETA STILL, there are no graphics adjustments, or anything of that type, and of course the game isnt 100% polished like they want it to be for release.  In the video you are very terrible at controlling the camera, movements, and just about everything else.. so really

 

T H I S  T H R E A D  I S  A  W A S T E  O F  T I M E

Well of all the things I didint think some 1 with crit my camera moving skills

Played WoW for 3 years on a PvP server trust me I know what the PvP (or RvR as mythic call it).  The odd time i had my cammera above my head was cus I had no idea who/what was hitting me so just try to find out.  Again my biggest issue is "who the hell is hitting me?"

Well all i can say is WAR,LOTRO,EQ2 has nothing like this WoW PvE quest.

Enjoy.  http://files.filefront.com/Moviewmv/;11583315;/fileinfo.html

Originally posted by Theocritus

     If you played EQ1 then you should know that if you get alot of people fighting in an area that you have to turn down/off the partical effects......I didnt play beta so maybe there is no way to do this in Warhammer but it is something you have to have, especially in a pvp game.

You dont in WoW. And that is why I dont understand why it gets so choppy in WAR.

Originally posted by miagisan

war fanbois and wow haters need not respond...so basically you are just looking for wow fanbois to agree with you....way to one side a topic

No I am looking for people who can see both sides.. so not people who thing WAR is best thing ever or WoW is the best thing ever.. Threads turn into flame wars when those guys get going.

WAR fanbois and WoW haters its best not to read this .. WAR fanbois can skip to video if you like.

I am an unashammed WoW player, been playing WoW for 3 years and all the WC RTS game. What I am saying is it will take a lot to take me away from WoW.  Previous played MMO's AO, CoX and EQ1.

Ok I have been in WAR beta for about 6 months, I have probably only put in about 30 hours of play in that time mostly PvP time. Played a Squib hearder and engi. No other classes interested me.

I only realy put some play time in after a patch or update but very quickly become bored and log out till the next patch as neither update seemed to address my concerns.

WAR is apparently all about PvP so that is what I have been playing in beta and what I am commenting on here.

Bare in mind what I am talking about is from the last Beta patch and the video below as capture on the 20th auguest 2008.  I picked my engi and joined a scenario.

Video here: http://files.filefront.com/war+0001wmv/;11582957;/fileinfo.html (stream and hi-def 100mb download)

If you watch the video you will note its very choppy when there are many players on screen the animations become very ugly and choppy and also toons tend to warp around the place. 
This as far as I can tell its graphic lag which I dont quite understand.  There are no graphic sliders in beta and apparently its set to medium quality, my Rig is an athlon 6000x2, 3gig ram 800mhz, WinXP, Geforce 8800GTS 640MB.  A good med-high gaming system yet it fails to run WAR with a dozen players on screen without having to drop animation frames?

I was constantly being hit by some one yet the only real indication of my health dropping was the odd partical effect or an ork in my face.  It needs much more visual/audio feedback, in WoW my toon flinches, dodges, parries and so on.. all good feedback to me.  In a way there were too many partical effects and sound effects going off and it just became a mush.

Often my UI actions where delayed or out of sync, I have read mythic has release a patch to fix this.

Toon control is fine, if you have played WOW you could map your WOW keys the same way in WAR and feel right at home. The UI is functional and standard fair.

The act of PvPing in WAR was nice and chaotic so theres huge potential, but right now WoW feels smoother more responsive and just more fun all round... So I'll be sticking with WoW.

I will probably pick up WAR at release in hopes my issues are resolved.  Atleast I wont be buying a vanguard

Well the video didnt realy show how the battleground plays out.

The attacking force has to reach the defenders fortress that is behind 4 walls, the only way for the attckers to progress is to capture a seige workshop and produce a seige engine to destory the doors in each wall.  All the while the defenders are trying to stop you, they can capture the seige workshop, shoot at you and your seige engine (if you have 1) from the various cannons on the map or simply take it to the ground the old fasioned way.

I hope to post a video of maps objectives in acion this weekend.

To all the OMG 10v10 seige LMAO.. we have lake wintergrasp with no player limits, this battleground is just that a battle ground designed for 10v10

Originally posted by amorone

And to add what no one is mentioning....PQs will not become barren a few months after release......you get achivement unlocks based on the doing a lot of the PQs, sooooo they won't go away.

We will see if this idea gets copied. I believe Mythic patented/copyrighted it or something to that effect (like they did with the term "RvR" I believe back with DAOC....I know there was something they went through some legal ownership with that was their own design). I am sure WOW will follow suit with something similar though just like they are trying to do for the Tome of Knowledge.

WoW had nothing even close to the ToK.. wow achievement system is just that, you achieve somthing such as complete a 5man heroic with 4 players, or killed 50,000 players or reach max level on a profession and so on (there are over 600 in game currently).  You dont get info on mobs/beasts/zones and so on. 

People realy need to research and not just assume.

given them time.. they have to re-edit and arrange the footage from 2003, throw in some concept screen shots from 2002 and upload to youtube.. that takes time.

beign serious.. i have heared on a post in here they are releasing a video tomorrow 21st at about 9pm GMT... now we all know the video wont show up, but i cant wait to hear the excuse. 

PQ's are a nice idea but get old fast in my experience, its just a way to grind rep and gear without having to interact with others. So yes I think they are fun and i guess new but once the new'ness runs out be prepared for it feel like a grind.. as all things do in MMO's.

And also PQ's fall down when theres no one around to play them... be interesting to see what happens with PQ a few months after launch.  No fun hanging around a PQ area only for there not being enough people prepared to participate for it to work.  Try to invite a lvl 70 to a lvl 20 dungeon in WoW.. they just dont want to know... same will happen with WAR.

Try not to flame I am just looking ahead of time.

Video of a 10v10 match in the new WOTLK battlegorund http://www.wegame.com/watch/Jayde_PvP_Video/

Looks awsome, will be trying that on the weekend.

First off be sure to download the hi-res version of both trailers http://files.filefront.com/WotLK+Cinematic/;11563667;/fileinfo.html

I think the WAR cinematic is just a little better in terms of content than WoW's.. but WoW's gives a nice story and good emersion where as WAR's is just a bit of fun.

TBH if the Warcraft movie (which i think is still under production) looked as good as this trialer then bring it on. 

Hum I feel like Playering WAR3 again =D

Originally posted by ProfRed

Originally posted by coffee

Originally posted by ProfRed

Originally posted by coffee

LOL i set the beta client download as i went off to work today to come back to the beta being closed down.. LOL

Oh well from what i have read the combat is still too slow and the world has no soul so never mind.. i might pick it up when the trial comes out. (note, just my opinion)

So based on all of the good reviews, and bad reviews you picked out of the bad reviews (the minority by far) some information and without ever playing the game or forming your own opinion you use that data to form and back an opinion of your own (which really isn't your own opinion since you took it from someone else).

Add in the fact that you have posted information stating you were in WAR beta or had played in it meaning you were lying since you now are basing this on things read, and the fact that you are the biggest Blizzard/WotLK fan I have ever seen and you will understand why I think you are being a little bit funny?

Originally posted by coffee

But I never messed with macros in WAR beta. not sure if they were even in when I last played.

Don't get me wrong though.  I wet my pants every time I visit the Diablo III website, and I have loved every Blizzard game ever made besides WoW. 

please read what i said "the combat is still slow" meaning it have played it in beta.. but not for a few months, so i thought id download the beta client again (hum need to be in beta to do that BTW) but cant test it again as the beta is closed.
 

The combat was slow and laggy in beta.. and from what i have read it still is slow.

 

Sorry my bad.  I guess it depends on what slow is to you?  The only MMO I can think of that is faster is..  WoW.  I think it is a much more strategic combat system than WoW though, and to me combat isn't slow at all.  It is a great combat system especially when compared to all of the other MMO's on the market.  Were you expecting WoW 2.0?  This is more DaOC 2.0 and for many that was the greatest combat system in an MMO ever.  Like you said though just your opinion and just mine.  I am glad you have WotLK coming out so we both have something we love to play.

As fast as WoW is 90% of the combat is crowd control.  You have no idea how thankful I am that there is no CC in WAR. 

Well theres strategy in Both wow and war... you might have more time to fight in WAR but I found it slow and dull in comparision to WoW (the only mmo ive taken a PvP interest in)... maybe Ive played WoW to long but the combat speed in Wow for me is just right.. theres enough time to make decisions... do I run or stand my ground? do I use my trinkets or long cooldowns now or save them for a more apt situation? and so on.

and i dispute the 90% crowed control, its a great feature of Wow combat and Wow would not be the same without it.. but you cant win a battle using CC.

Originally posted by ProfRed

Originally posted by coffee

LOL i set the beta client download as i went off to work today to come back to the beta being closed down.. LOL

Oh well from what i have read the combat is still too slow and the world has no soul so never mind.. i might pick it up when the trial comes out. (note, just my opinion)

So based on all of the good reviews, and bad reviews you picked out of the bad reviews (the minority by far) some information and without ever playing the game or forming your own opinion you use that data to form and back an opinion of your own (which really isn't your own opinion since you took it from someone else).

Add in the fact that you have posted information stating you were in WAR beta or had played in it meaning you were lying since you now are basing this on things read, and the fact that you are the biggest Blizzard/WotLK fan I have ever seen and you will understand why I think you are being a little bit funny?

Originally posted by coffee

But I never messed with macros in WAR beta. not sure if they were even in when I last played.

Don't get me wrong though.  I wet my pants every time I visit the Diablo III website, and I have loved every Blizzard game ever made besides WoW. 

please read what i said "the combat is still slow" meaning it have played it in beta.. but not for a few months, so i thought id download the beta client again (hum need to be in beta to do that BTW) but cant test it again as the beta is closed.
 

The combat was slow and laggy in beta.. and from what i have read it still is slow.

LOL i set the beta client download as i went off to work today to come back to the beta being closed down.. LOL

Oh well from what i have read the combat is still too slow and the world has no soul so never mind.. i might pick it up when the trial comes out. (note, just my opinion)

This site is to WAR what Thottbot or wowhead is to WoW.. a massive database that details weapons, quests, bosses, mobs etc.  Stuck on a quest.. directions not to clear or seen a player with a shinny and want one for your self its sites like these that tell you how,what and why.

Not all of these things are in the TOK.

Originally posted by metalhead980

Originally posted by coffee

Originally posted by metalhead980

Originally posted by coffee

Originally posted by metalhead980

Originally posted by coffee

Originally posted by Monorojo

Something a lot of you WoW guys should know, there is not going to be an "I win" button in WAR. War macros do not let you cast or trigger any abilites whatsoever. They are no commands such as /cast, /use, etc.... this may change as the game is still in beta but the devs have been pretty adamant on the whole "You play the game, not some macro you've written"

 

So what do you guys think about it?

 

You have abviously not played Wow in a while or just miss understand what can be done in a WoW macro today.. true when WoW first launched you could make a macro to excute several abilities "I WIn" button.  But in WoW you can only do 1 /cast /use etc ability in a macro. You cannt check yours or your targets health,mana,range,focus etc so you cannot make  a macro to use an ability based on player stats.

Macros in WoW today are used mostly for fun stuff and utility stuff, as A hunter I use 1 to feed my pet, depending on what pet I have it feeds it a different type of food.. saves me from rooting through my bags looking for it.  I also have a macro that will pick a mount depending on what zone I am in.

But I never messed with macros in WAR beta. not sure if they were even in when I last played.

 

I set a fear, dot ,drain sequence macro with my warlock sure i had to spamm the button to execute every dot but it was still only one button to destroy someone in BG's.

damn thing would fear, dot up a player and then drain life it was sick and totally skill less.

I could spam the freaking button over and over and it would even refresh the dot that finished its duration.

 

With my warrior i could set one button to charge in hit hamstring and then switch to whirlwind.

basically turning my warrior pvp to a two button smash fest.

macro's take all the skill away from playing a warrior.

setting stance dance macros are even common in raids it's pretty lame.

Hell I set a mouse over devastate macro while tanking it was so OP I totally stopped tanking with my warrior.

 

With my hunter I had a awesome steady shot macro that destroyed damage meters in raids i would have my seven year old daughter spam my macro while going to get my little boy a bottle during raids.

 

Macro's are lame bunching up a few spells into one button press is retarded.

Again you have not played WoW in a while you can nolonger do that sort of thing.
 

Macros CANNOT see what buffs/debuffs/health/mana/rage/focus a target has .. so you locks dot stacking wont work.
Macros CANNOT activate more than 1 abilitiy on a single click, charge has a global cooldown that will exit the macro ... so charge + hamstring + whirlwind wont work it will stop at charge.  You will need to press the macro 3 times to use all 3 abilities and then your subject to timing issues and GCD's.

And you daughter just hitting steadshot is a laugh... and you lost all credibility with that comment.  unless you can expand on how it worked? steadyshot in a macro is subject to the same GCD as using it directly so there no benefit at all from a macro.

yes I said I would still need to spam the button to get multiple abilities out, but its still only one god damn button. my warlock only needed that one button even if i had to press the bastard 20 times it was till only the number one key lol.

 

no you wont on your lock.. you cannot do this for example in a macro

/cast dot1
/cast dot2
/cast dot3
/cast dot4

you canot press this macro 4 times to cast all 4 dots its will ONLY EVER cast he first line.. a MACRO will exit after running a /cast command.. you cannot put in IF conditions becuase you CANNOT check if you target has dot1 already so no "if target=dot1 then /cast dot2".

So no... 1 macro will not cast 4 dots on a player either from a single click or multipul clicks.

last time I was in a BG was about 4+ months ago now i can easily set a sequence with my lock and spamm the button to toss up three dots a fear and drain life at the end. if i hit it agian real fast it would strat the fear all over again.

If WoW changed this please link me the patch notes that released withion the last few months cause I would be impressed that blizzard was capable of doing such a thing.

my last log in was in april and the last thing i did before leaving was hit up AV with my lock and give away all my gold to a guildie.

Link the notes cause this shit worked then.

 Edit: I've always had the ability to see my dots on my enemy, when did they change this? has to be less than four months ago. If so great for blizzard

How red faced am I.. you can spam a macro to cast spells but only in a set sequence. /castsequence this was added in 2.0 (TBC) for example a mage /castsequence Frost Nova, Blink click the macro once and it will frost nova a 2nd time and it will Blink.. a 3rd and it will frost nova... 4th Blink etc... but its not conditional so you cant skip a part of the sequence.

Also to confirm a macro cannot see the buffs/debuffs/HP/Mana/Rage on a target or yourself.

Now i am trying to think of where /castsequence might be usful.. and I cant, I think most people wont to be in control of what they cast. and not click the button a few times and forget where in the sequence the macro is. LOL

But yeha /castsequence doesn't make an "IWIN" button you still beed to press it over and over.. its still subject to GCD's and in all honestly its usless. IMHO =D

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=8969CED20E2EEF35D60A3B140E871572.app05_05?topicId=108386180&sid=1

http://borkweb.com/story/world-of-warcraft-20-macros#_20-macro-changes_1

Originally posted by metalhead980

macro's may not have the option to make a few spells work in an instant with one buton but a sequence that you need to spam is very possible.

lets say you're a warlock and you want to toss out five spells who is going to toss those out first?

the dude spamming the one key? or the guy clicking or using keyboard shortcut keys on his action bar?

9 times out of ten its the noob one button spammer.

But that is what i am trying to explain... ill use  ahunter as im more familiar with those skills.

Lets say I write this macro.

/cast autoshot
/cast huntersmark
/cast aimshot
/cast arcane shot
/cast multishot
/say "lol macro noob" 

no matter how many times I hit that macro that is now mapped to my "1" key it will ONLY EVER.. ONLY EVER..ONLY EVER cast autoshot and say "lol macro noob".. a Macro can only /cast once in a macro.. all other instances of /cast will be ignored.... So while im busy spamming the autoshot the other hunter has who does not have the macro has killed me.

Originally posted by metalhead980

Originally posted by coffee

Originally posted by metalhead980

Originally posted by coffee

Originally posted by Monorojo

Something a lot of you WoW guys should know, there is not going to be an "I win" button in WAR. War macros do not let you cast or trigger any abilites whatsoever. They are no commands such as /cast, /use, etc.... this may change as the game is still in beta but the devs have been pretty adamant on the whole "You play the game, not some macro you've written"

 

So what do you guys think about it?

 

You have abviously not played Wow in a while or just miss understand what can be done in a WoW macro today.. true when WoW first launched you could make a macro to excute several abilities "I WIn" button.  But in WoW you can only do 1 /cast /use etc ability in a macro. You cannt check yours or your targets health,mana,range,focus etc so you cannot make  a macro to use an ability based on player stats.

Macros in WoW today are used mostly for fun stuff and utility stuff, as A hunter I use 1 to feed my pet, depending on what pet I have it feeds it a different type of food.. saves me from rooting through my bags looking for it.  I also have a macro that will pick a mount depending on what zone I am in.

But I never messed with macros in WAR beta. not sure if they were even in when I last played.

 

I set a fear, dot ,drain sequence macro with my warlock sure i had to spamm the button to execute every dot but it was still only one button to destroy someone in BG's.

damn thing would fear, dot up a player and then drain life it was sick and totally skill less.

I could spam the freaking button over and over and it would even refresh the dot that finished its duration.

 

With my warrior i could set one button to charge in hit hamstring and then switch to whirlwind.

basically turning my warrior pvp to a two button smash fest.

macro's take all the skill away from playing a warrior.

setting stance dance macros are even common in raids it's pretty lame.

Hell I set a mouse over devastate macro while tanking it was so OP I totally stopped tanking with my warrior.

 

With my hunter I had a awesome steady shot macro that destroyed damage meters in raids i would have my seven year old daughter spam my macro while going to get my little boy a bottle during raids.

 

Macro's are lame bunching up a few spells into one button press is retarded.

Again you have not played WoW in a while you can nolonger do that sort of thing.
 

Macros CANNOT see what buffs/debuffs/health/mana/rage/focus a target has .. so you locks dot stacking wont work.
Macros CANNOT activate more than 1 abilitiy on a single click, charge has a global cooldown that will exit the macro ... so charge + hamstring + whirlwind wont work it will stop at charge.  You will need to press the macro 3 times to use all 3 abilities and then your subject to timing issues and GCD's.

And you daughter just hitting steadshot is a laugh... and you lost all credibility with that comment.  unless you can expand on how it worked? steadyshot in a macro is subject to the same GCD as using it directly so there no benefit at all from a macro.

yes I said I would still need to spam the button to get multiple abilities out, but its still only one god damn button. my warlock only needed that one button even if i had to press the bastard 20