All Posts by Kurir

Well to negate your arguement, as a PvE oriented player I don't PvP ever.... even in games where that activity is available to me I still don't do so. If a player decides sometime in the future to engage in that activity then they can create a character on a PvP server and experience it, but to force it upon all players so that the PvP player can have more targets is wrong thinking.

JGE is going to have to limit the numbers on individual servers anyway so theres isn't any reason for them not to make the distinction of having PvE and PvP servers.

It really boggles my mind why it bothers people to have a PvE server available for the player base that doesn't want to participate in PvP. There of course would be a PvP server as well so you can prey upon other players to your hearts content. By separating out the players that don't want to PvP you can rest assured that those you will be playing against will be more than willing to give you a fight if thats what you're looking for.

By not supporting a PvE server what you're in essence saying is that your motivation isn't to have meaningful PvP but that you want to ruin someone else's idea of fun but inflicting upon them your notion of fun. One size doesn't fit all, never has never will. Besides the size of the player base is going to have to be limited per server so multiple servers are going to be a reality.

Well I played the original Jump Gate and there was PvP in that game though I didn't participate in it. Honestly I don't see the point in PvP and I shouldn't have to. Nor does the PvP oriented player need to understand the motivations of the PvE player, the two styles do not mix on any server regardless of how the enviroment is handled. EnB was a successful PvE game, certainly not up to the standards of the current crop of games out there but it was doing just fine, if Westwood hadn't been bought out by EA we might even still see the servers running.

You need to separate the two player groups because certain elements of the PvP player crowd will always find ways to ruin the experience of the PvE crowd bar none. JGE needs to understand this from the start, the PvE players will not invest anytime in the game if they are going to have to subject themselves to being made the entertainment for another segment of the player base. Using the lame explanation that there will be zones in which you can be relatively protected is a cop out. I don't want to be restricted to certain segments of the map, I want to explore and see the sights and go where I choose to.

Obviously the rares both ore and drops will not be found in the supposed safe zones but will be out in the wild west of space, which is in effect forcing players to PvP and in my opinion this is wrong thinking. I will most assuredly not be playing JGE if this is the case, separate servers are the only answer.

Do everyone a favor and don't suggest going to a fantasy MMO when we're all Sci-Fi starved, JGE could be that game that finally provides a place for PvE players to get their Sci-Fi fix. That is if they provide a PvE exclusive server.

Thanks for the warning but if you decide to cross that line then you should be prepared to lose it all as well. Travelling the easy route isn't fraught without its perils and well, you seem to have found out the hard way. What irks me is the hypocritical ways of some games, saying one thing and enforcing one view and then turning right around and doing another.

You don't ban people for buying in game currency if you design into the game a means of turning real cash into in game currency by a conversion method. The act of doing so says volumes about a companys motivations and the contempt it has for its customers. Finding another way into your credit card and not wanting the player to find a better value that doesn't profit them.

Personally its a love hate thing for me, I'm waiting for Jump gate Evolution. Eve's Siren song is strong but I've broken its power over me and only resub once or twice a year for a month at a time. I still need my Sci-Fi fix, even bad Sci-Fi until a better supply comes along.

You're entitled to your opinion as I am to mine neither right nor wrong, but thanks for the flame anyway. So long as the minority of PvP'rs are capable of performing in the manner I allude to then all PvP suffers from it. I'm very interested in seeing the WELL online version of PvP to see if it deters that griefing element. I hold with the notion that the griefer will simply find a way around it as usual, regardless of the Dev's intentions, but it will be interesting none the less.

Now I'd suggest not resorting to personal attacks and name calling,{ Mod Edit }

We're already in the drivers seat, if you don't like it don't subscribe and for gods sake don't buy a game that doesn't have a free trial that should tell you something up front.

Great another Fantasy MMO...... Yawn.

Originally posted by -Zeno-

PVP is:

1. Player economy - player craftsmen selling there wares
2. Territory control - removing unwanted players from your favorite spawns
3. Warfare - Fighting your enemy
4. Seige - Destruction of your enemies citys
5. Leveling or Skilling faster than someone else
6. Any form of competition within a game
7. Quests - when it involves doing something before someone, or some player empire, does.

It isn't an mmoRPG unless players compete.  If its "All vs NPC's", just pretend its single player.

Whatever.... Personally I don't need to kick someone elses behind to make myself feel better about myself. I play MMO's for the sense of community and the ability to work with a group toward common goals, that doesn't include PvP.

The OP makes perfect sense, and I tend to agree with him. Massive Multi-Player doesn't necessarily mean I want to group with 40/25/10 other gamers to accomplish any in game goals. I like the feel of the game where I can assist someone I come accross that needs a quick heal or and extra swing of a sword or shot from a laser but that doesn't mean I want to group up with them...

With the ability for people to remain anonyomous online, you usually end up with the worst in an individual rather than best in them. The sense of community is what draws me to most games and thats wearing off now that global chat systems boil down to pissing contests about non-game related topics. I usually end up turning the chat channels off after a time since I get tired ot the teen aged testosterone that gets flung back and forth.

So the Developer who makes a game that is scaleable down to an individual effort and is still entertaining is going to realise a larger player base in my opinion. That is what I got from the OP's original post and hes right on the mark with it.

I quite agree that some sort of legal action should be taken, though from what I've read here this is an individual prize and not a group prize. That being said unless the OP is supposed to be the recipient then he really has nothing to complain about. The player who controls the Toon "Icecube" is the party that needs to initiate the legal action and if this was a contest that was offered to the U.S. market then the legal action needs to be taken here in the good ol' U.S.A.

I don't know where Codemasters as a company is located, but whatever location that is also a logical location for legal action to take place. To the OP, you can get all the advice you want here but its up to Icecube to get the ball rolling.

I suppose its not the PvP gaming style that gets my goat but the kind of personality that feels this sort of thing is acceptable. Griefing/Ganking is not acceptable, corpse camping or respawn point camping is not acceptable, cheating by exploiting little know game mechanic's or using third party hacks or mods is unacceptable which results in my usually not enjoying PvP.

I have had a ball in PvP settings where everyone abided by a code of ethics, they weren't written down or cast in stone but were universally accepted as the sporting way of conducting your activities. Sadly I haven't seen any game in the past five to ten years that players acted in sporting manner toward their fellow players. The last game that I feel had that sort of subscriber base was Jump Gate, I hold out great hopes that Jump Gate Evolution will be able to follow suit but I know its a long shot.

No, but you can get stuffed.

Such a collection of hypocrites, any opinion that doesn't mirror the mainstream gets flamed and labeled. Is it any wonder baff didn't return to support his opinion? It would be like building a sand castle on a beach with you fanbois. His thread gets buried by your party line mentality.

Name: Witheld

Race: Amarr

Bloodline: Amarr

SP: 50 Million

Alliance: Smash

I have two other accounts with mains at 48 and 37 Million, both of these are inactive. The one mentioned above is being played by a co-worker who still likes the game. Personally, until ambulation comes out I won't be playing the game, and unless it brings more than a mobile avatar to the game I won't be resubscribing. Eve has become a huge bore.

Balance isn't an issue since TR is primarily a PVE game, sure there is the capability of PvP but only for those that choose to do so. However I do agree that each class should have the ability to utilize a zero overhead weapon system particular to their class so that they can generate funds to pay for the ammo they use. There are tweeks that still need take place but overall TR is a good game. This launch is progressing much more smoothly than some other games that could be mentioned.

I've always had good response times from the GM's on issues that I've encountered, and I've even had a private face to face with one of the Dev's to discuss issues I had with the test Server. NC in my opinion is trying their level best to iron out the wrinkles which is more than I can say for other companies that simply shove a game down their subscribers throats.

The reason you see so many Spies and Guardians is because they are able to use the only zero overhead weapons in the game. Meaning they don'y require ammunition to operate, Blades and Staffs respectively, all other classes don't have an equivalent. My personal favorite is the Engineer, Turrets for the win.

Earth and Beyond, the game had no equal and still doesn't. Damn you EA.