Earth and Beyond

Look people can call me names if thats what gets them through the night, but I resub to the game a couple of times a year and check things out for myself. I have three characters over 40 million SP's and was hooked on Eve like it was nobody's business and then I finally woke up and saw through the pretty pictures. I lived through the CCP scandal and I saw it from the inside as I was an Aurora Volunteer at the time. You can call what I've said lies, but I will continue to say it in the future just so that potential players will know that it isn't all a bed of roses.

As I said there are good people in Eve, but there are also a whole lot of folks that live eat and breath finding ways to make new players lives miserable. Secure space isn't, low secure space has become even worse for new players and in my opinion 0.0 space is the only place worthwhile but you had better grow a second pair of eyes on the back of your head. Cactus, Alysen and Iron you can choose to ignore the truth to my assessment but I'm spot on and I have the personal experiences upon which I formulate my posts. Can a player find a niche sure but with so many worthwhile Corps being absolutely paranoid about who they let into their membership roles you can bet that a new player won't be getting an invite to a Wormhole capable Corp any time soon. 

CactusJack's advice is solid for any game on the market but Eve can will and does eat its young.

My advice to a new player? Go play another game Eve is without question the most ill concieved game ever produced. New players will always be at a disadvantage to existing players and there is no way to catch up. The community has some redeeming qualities but over all its like wearing a meat suit at a pitbull convention. To coin a phrase, just say no and spend your gaming dollars elsewhere, preferably with a company that will give you a chance at being successful.

Trying to bill Eve as a social game is like trying to say that WoW is a sophisticaed one. Once the new titles come out like the Old Republic, JGE, Star Trek Online etc... Eve will see an exodus perhaps not as large as some have mentioned but it will happen and for all the reasons previously mentioned. There have been dozens of threads on subjects similar to this one listing the issues that CCP has turned a blind eye to.

You know in retrospec I think EnB was my first MMO, but it was a godsend. First of all it was space based. Second it required you to work with your fellow gamers to achieve higher rewards since each class had its specific abilities that it contributed to the group. Third it rated very high on the "Fun" factor, ship customisation, the ability to leave your ship and interact with other gamers, unique crafting abilities to foster player interaction and interdependence. The list can go on for quite a while as I'm sure there were aspects that each of us found to be unique and could add as well.

The announcement that EA was closing the game was heartbreaking since there were friends that we made that we've all lost track of and for that EA will never be forgiven. I too tried Eve and found it completely lacking, the community from the very start were pitted against each other, point and click ship control, forced PvP, rare materials imposible to attain without accepting the eventual loss of everything you had work to gain. Eve has proven one thing in that you can't mix PvP and PvE play styles in the manner they've choosen to, EnB did manage to have both styles available without ruining a players online experience.

I really would like to be able to get the Emulator up and running on my computer but I lack the tech skill to make it happen, maybe one day but not today. To the OP, EnB wasn't your cup of tea, well Eve wasn't mine, there are plenty of folks that do like Eve and thats fine for them. For those of us that actually played EnB, it was and will always be a great game.

So by cancelling my Eve-Online subscriptions do I get accolades as well or is that only if I play to the WoW hating crowd?

That goes for me as well, if there is anyone that can assist me in getting it running on my system I would gladly join in.

I find Caligulug amusing in the extreme, I'm sure the EULA will address the kind of activity he boasts about and NetDevil will easily take care of the issue. How? By breaking out the Ban Bat and getting rid of the those with the arrested development issues and the game will flourish. Take over a server indeed talk about laughable, how many times have you had to replace your taped up horn rimmed glasses Poindexter/Caligulug?

Personally I really don't see the point in adding any more classes, the DK should have taught Blizzard the problem with trying to accomodate the noisey masses. That class is a balancing nightmare, if you're disatisfied with a game then move on and find one that is to your liking but whining for new classes is an epic fail regardless of the game your badgering.

Personally I don't get into PVP that much and as such games that only offer that type of game play don't get my money. Games that try to accomodate PVP and PVE on the same server don't get my money either since the two styles can't operate together since the PVP crowd will always find a way to inflict PVP on the PVE crowd.

If PVP is your thing then by all means find games that meet your needs the same goes for the PVE player neither style is better than the other but neither is inferior either. Gaming companies know that to get people to buy their game they need to provide enviroments that everyone finds entertaining that doesn't mean they can be lazy and combine the two styles on the same server. Regardless if you like WoW, Blizzard knows how to provide a product people will play. They separate the playing styles and allow people to mix and match on the PVE servers as well, thats a model more should try to emulate.

This rediculous premise that for a MMO to be successful if has to be PVP has no basis in fact though there are very successful games that started out not having it at all. The statement that PVP as an after thought is right on target though, you have to plan for it from the beginning so it seems seamless and a natural part of the game or it looses that thrill aspect.

Well from my perspective there will be differences but since we're dealing with personal opinions each have a certain amount of validity. Pure PvP offerings won't draw the numbers that these gaming companies want to make a solid bottom line so they will have to offer varying flavors to attract subscribers. PvE players may play for a while on a PvP server but will eventually let their subscriptions lapse, this is a well proven fact, so PvE servers are an absolute must if you want to cater to the entire spectrum of players and not just one segment of it.

Safe zones as in Eve just don't cut it since you alienate PvE players and force them into a second class status by denying them access to Rare NPC's, Rare Loot and Rich material locations which are all located in unrestricted PvP zones. Now I'm going to use a game as an example that many people like to bash repeatedly but they understand the gaming community and are doing exceedingly well. WoW offers multiple server types with the same rules set on each with one little difference, on some you can kick another players butt and on others you can't and its a simple solution.

Even on the PvP servers in WoW you can't simply run rampant as your heart desires, eventually you can but not everywhere. On the PvE servers you can only do so if you make the choice yourself and flag appropriately, now I know some are going to complain that where is the reality in that? This may come as a shock but this is a game we're talking about. Its a place where people come to, to be entertained not reminded that their fellow man is a complete prick. Now for some they thrive in that kind of enviroment but for others we are faced with that reality on a daily basis and come to the online enviroment to escape from it. That little fact is something that gaming companies are keenly aware of and which dictates the need to keep the two styles separate from each other hence PvE servers and PvP servers. Neither style more nor less valid than the other but not able to occupy the same space at the same time.

So long as they don't use the one size fits all approach that Eve uses they will succeed, provide a hardcore PvP server for those who want it and a carebear PvE server for those that don't. Just don't play the safe zone crap that other games have used to try and mix the two styles, it just doesn't work.

No leveling race for me, I had three WoW accounts and on the 14th the final one lapses, no more subscription fees for Blizzard. I'm not going to go through the process of leveling up another ten levels and restart gearing my Toons again, there are too many games out there that are of a higher quality and actually stick with their level cap. I'm sure that eventually all games start finding ways to keep long term players going but this method of raising the level cap just pisses me off.

So I'm glad Blizzard is having a good showing, but they should just remove the level cap altogether if this is going to be their trend.
 

No leveling race for me, I had three WoW accounts and on the 14th the final one lapses, no more subscription fees for Blizzard. I'm not going to go through the process of leveling up another ten levels and restart gearing my Toons again, there are too many games out there that are of a higher quality and actually stick with their level cap. I'm sure that eventually all games start finding ways to keep long term players going but this method of raising the level cap just pisses me off.

So I'm glad Blizzard is having a good showing, but they should just remove the level cap altogether if this is going to be their trend.

I've long held that a toon is a toon, then along came TeamSpeak and Ventrilo and with them the ability to determine whether or not a player was male or female. I've found there are so many sexually frustrated males playering online games that they will let female players get away with a great deal just so they can harbor the fantasy of talking with a girl, something that seems to be beyond their ability away from the keyboard.

I was in a few guilds in WoW that were run by female gamers and those gals were getting away with some particularly vile remarks that wouldn't have been tolerated from a male. There are a few areas of discussion imo that should be off limits in general discussion within an organisation such as a guild/corporation/kinship etc... Politics, Religion and Country Bashing. I know there are some areas that you might add or take away from that list based on whether or not you're in a family based guild or adult based one, none of these areas are off limits in a private discussion but in general chat you should do your level best to keep everyone interested in remaining in the group.

Okay so much for the soapbox sorry, the OP asked whether or not females get preferencial treatment and I say that prior to TS and Vent it was a moot point but post TS and Vent I say they absolutely get preferencial treatment. They get to go on more Raids, get group offers more often and for those that try a little too hard, get given items out of the blue on a regular basis. Now some of the gals do play it up a bit and thats quite iritating, but there are some and these are in the minority I might add that just want to be one of the gang and keep things on a professional level as much as is possible in an online game.

My impression is it blows chunks, I kept a couple of accounts active because my daughter likes to play the game and I would go into the game with her when she played. The problem is this, I let my daughter use an older computer and this patch has gone beyond its capabilities and simply will no longer load. I worked with one of Blizzards Tech types and after a 30 minute wait on the phone and about 10 minutes of actual live tech support time I was informed that the computer, its software and hardware would not work with the new graphics engine.

So in one fell swoop we were forced out of the game, for me thats no big loss but my daughter isn't very happy about it. Now I'm not about to go out and drop more coin on a new computer just to go back and play WoW. If I do purchase a new computer we'll be starting up with a new game. So way to go Blizzard, thanks for giving me a concrete reason to finally leave WoW.

Originally posted by dterry

Originally posted by CaesarsGhost

Originally posted by DeaconX

 

On several ocassions I've put this theory to the test and had the opportunity to fly to new areas of the country... a few cities are much nicer then I originally thought.

Just remember... if somebody's a complete twit online, offer to go to their house so they can say these things straight to your face.  You might laugh when you get there for one of the following reasons:

A) Their mother answers the door while they peer out the window from upstairs.
B) They call the police for fear of you (I'm 5'9", 130 lbs, not very scary.  Make sure you keep a log on you of the conversation where he/she gave you the address).
C) Bring a condom (happened once... no joke)
D) Notify SOMEBODY that you're going there just in case.

All in all, I've done this 8 times and counting.  Never once has the person actually managed to say anything to my face they repeatedly said online for weeks prior... nor have they used the same attitude.

One guy was 38 and still living in his mother's basement in Kansas City... which was even better then the 15 year old kid who sent his mother to the door to get rid of me.

Don't stand for them to be douchebags, put them on the spot!

 

Insanity Note: I have had a gun pointed at me when I got there... there was no talking but I'm pretty sure he was scared.

Monetary Note: Doing this is VERY expensive... do so as your funds are available and you're sure you'll gain the upper hand overall.

What a load of bull... and if it were true you'd end up on "To catch a predator".  Guns and condoms... yeah right.

Perfect example of what the OP was talking about.
 

Because people think it gives them some credibility to knock WoW, if you like the game good for you whether its WoW, SWG or Eve who gives a rip if you find enjoyment in playing it. This forum is filled with respondants who delight in nothing more than flaming anything connected with WoW yet I bet secretly they all have active accounts but won't admit it.

I built a 70 on a PvP server just to say I did so, it took a helluva lot longer than it did on a PvE server and rightly so. Now what does that give me? Bragging rights? So what, now all the kids that have access to their parents credit card are going to transfer to a character to a PvP server and find out exactly what Blizzard whats them to find out, that life is hard on a PvP server and they're ill prepared to be there and will transfer their character back home which will make Blizzard even more money.

Make no mistake Blizzard is a company out to make money and this is a perfect way for them to make a quick influx of cash, brilliant on their part. I want Blizzard to make money because that means they have more money to keep making upgrades and keep the game running. I figure WoW will be running long after I have grown tired of it and moved on maybe for some that time has already come.

I think one of the major problems with these types of issues is the anonimity of the internet, if your identity were part of you gaming profile then people wouldn't pull half of the nefarious deeds that they currently do. I do not agree with the degree of anonimity that we currently have online and this goes to the larger issue of the vile conduct people display toward each other.

 Theres a lot to be said for the phrase of treating others as you would be treated, further reducing accoutability just breeds people taking extreme unreasonable stances on issues and brings out the worst in an individual.