All Posts by Kurir

The only people I see offering a negative reply are the people that seem to thrive on the PvP element and once again thats fine if thats your thing. No one is saying that you'd have to give up playing full throttle on Tranquility all that is being suggested is that a PvE server be made available for those that abhor PvP.  So, try to follow this... a PvE server wouldn't be attractive for you if you are a PvP player conversely a PvP server isn't attractive to the PvE player. Cetainly the elements that drive the market of a PvP server would be absent on a PvE server which would mean there would be other elements that would have to drive that market, you aren't offering anything that is earth shattering here thats already completely obvious.

It doesn't mean that things wouldn't work, it just means that things wouldn't work like they do on the PvP server so yes a PvE server should be made available. The unspoken element  that the PvP crowd hasn't admitted to is that they are afraid that all of their unwilling targets would leave them with only other PvP players to ply themselves against thats what they are afraid of.

Its also simple math, what does a monthly subscription cost? They're making more than a hundred million a month.

The JGC community is a unique one and I would tend to agree with you in they know how to handle the random A/H in the online game. Though in recent months the number of this type of player is on the increase with more people coming to JGC to get a feel for the game before JGE gets released.The ability of the online community to police this type of player has diminished greatly because the community is pretty static and the numbers of A/H's is rising.

Personally I feel this is the failing point of unrestricted PvPgames, they expect the online community to police the bad behavior but thats just not possible. Our societies have recognised this little fact as well which is why we have professional militaries and police forces that don't have to rely on personal resources.

However, the point here is not the people sitll playing JGC, the point here is the forum community on the JGE site and here as well in regard to JGE. They are rabid, out of control and bent on driving anyone not conforming to their views away by trolling, baiting and insulting you till you've just had enough and leave. The OP as absolutely correct in how hes described them, though I wouldn't say the were JGC Vets or even past players of JGC. I believe they are simply the FFA PvP crowd that thirst for new grounds in which they hope to find another game to enact their perverse need for self gratification at someone elses expense. Anyone not sharing their narrow view is harassed and ridiculed in a way very similar to religious zealotry.

E&B was certainly not a point and click game in sense of what people consider a point and click game such as it is in Eve. You did fly your ship and you could miss with your weapons systems or not be able to engage a target if you weren't oriented on it.

NetDevil has said that this will not be an Eve clone (Thank God) nor will it be an E&B one though I'm sure they will incorporate some similar elements from them. Do take a look at the JGE site and see for yourself what they are coming up with.

Sure people can state that in equal validity, success vs fail, its all an opinion. Your absolutely correct to go to the horses mouth for the answers you're seeking, but don't forget that just as you can read these threads so can developers. The Developers might not put a lot of stock in an extreme ranters opinion but they will certainly look at the prevailing attitudes and that will impact their thought processes in developing their game.

I have on several occaisions made a similar comment in a thread, but I always qualify it by saying that if a company doesn't produce a game I find enjoyable under my parameters I won't subscribe beyond a certain point. I don't agree with the idea of adopting a WoW approach to player death, I would like to see something similar to what E&B used but cetainly not something as harsh as Eve. Quite frankly I don't want the victor in a PvP action to feel they can gain anything from vanquishing another player other than the act itself to do otherwise is to cater to the griefing element.

Why do I say that? Because, once a player finds they can gain something substantial from another player by defeating them they will find ways to eleminate any risk on their part and the ganking/griefest begins and you end up with level 70 player killing players a tenth of their level as in WoW. In Eve risk verse reward is the buzz phrase, from gate camps to suicide squads in secure areas, players willingly commit to suicide squads to gank Industrials or Frieighters that they know they can defeat before being killed themselves by NPC police forces. While a third party gathers the loot unhindered.

I'm looking forward to what NetDevil is bringing to the table, I hope it fits into my notion of a fun game without making me the entertainment for someone elses preverse idea of fun, that all remains to be seen.

Beyond them both being based in space I hope the similarities end at that point, we don't need another Eve. One is more than enough, there are too many companies out there that used cookie cutter techniques to stamp out copies of games with no real diversity in a genre.

On a personal note, I trust there will be an accountability system in place that will provide consequences to an individuals actions, something that Eve sorely lacks in any real substance.

And if they do they will never become a mainstream game, Eve is realising some success but nothing as to what it could have been. If you want Eve's harsh death penalties then keep playing Eve, I trust NetDevil will use a more common sense approach to appeal to a larger audience.

As has been stated previously, I love the fact that you can do just about anything you want it online gaming today. What I can't stand is the complete lack of accountability for your actions, if you want to be a complete A/H then be prepared to face the consequences for those actions. Be a gank freak then no town will let you enter it, patrols attack you on sight, fences will pay you less for your goods and charge you a heck of a lot more etc...

Make a habit of nefarious behavior then end up working in apenal setting till you pay off your debt, I love the idea of the stocks for the rediculous ie: dancing naked, begging, you name go ahead and list it. Make people accountable for their actions is all I'm looking for.

The point is that EA doesn't want a long term commitment on anything, they'd rather sell you another Madden POS that they can get their money out of you and move on. This is just another example of their short sightedness, no I don't play this game but I have played other MMO's that EA has bought out just to close down.

EA may be a huge company making a profit for their shareholders but their products at least for the target audience I belong to are pure crap. God help any gaming company that doesn't have a strong position to fend EA off when it turns its one sinister eye on them and sees a buck to be made by breaking it up and selling it off.

RIP Westwood Studios.

Of course the Devs are listening, why would they intentionally alienate the larger PVE player base? The PVP'rs are a vocal bunch and it goes to the way that they play, I went over to the JGE forums and posted on the threads I could find that talked about PVE servers and the PVP crowd had a hissy fit. I mean its okay that they don't get the motivations for people that just enjoy playing a game with other gamers, but to act like a PVE server is going to ruin the game? how narrow minded is that?

If NetDevil does the smart thing and offers a PVE server they will also obviously offer a PVP server as well. The PVP player can play on the PVP server and play in the manner that they choose to just as the PVE player can play on the PVE server and do likewise. By lobbying for just one server and combining the two groups you automatically create a class system, those that don't want to enter FFA PVP zones and are handicapped by not doing so. Why? Because guess where all the good ore is going to be located? Where are all the good drops going to be found? Where are the most challenging NPC's going to be? All out in no mans land where PVE players don't want to go and be faced with having to engage in PVP but will be forced to go just to keep up.

You know what the next thing that is going to happen on this one server for all mentality? The PVE players will stop subscribing and all that will be left are the PVP players and the PVE players that won't leave because they'll feel they've invested too much time. Separate servers for PVP players and PVE players are an absolute must.

Sorry Lobo, but thats just an opinion. While I might check a game out even though I'm on a PVP server I have never continued to subscribe to a game past a few months on that type of server. The only game that I lingered longer was Eve Online and even there I eventually left it as well. PVP just doesn't float my boat, its just not why I play online games. The notion of mixing the two types of play styles on one server and saying thats the only way only caters to the PVP player.

I won't launch into a long tirade restating my reasoning, or describe the PVE players mindset from my perspective or lambast arguements presented by PVP players. I will simply say that you need PVE servers and PVP servers for any game to appeal to the larger audience otherwise you simply exclude the PVE player because they will eventually be subjected to what they have no desire to be a part of that being PVP.  Of course thats just my opinion.

Originally posted by Elnator

 

Originally posted by Illyrian

 

Originally posted by jakojako

Originally posted by impulsebooks

 

Originally posted by jakojako

PLEASE GTFO OF THIS GAME!!! Seriously, pvpers have what, 2 good pvp mmorpgs that aren't even really populated.. This is our chance to finally get a good mmo! Come on, pve carebears have over 50 other mmo's to go to where you don't have to worry about pvp. People, don't ruin this chance for pvpers to have fun. Sorry to be mean, but gtfo carebears

Before asking for the Dev's future profitability to walk away, maybe you should ask them what they think about this?

 

I like both kinds of gameplay, by the way. I don't mind being called a carebear if that rocks your boat, but I WILL be playing this game no matter what some narrow minded pvp-only player tells me to do.

Good! I don't care if pve people play the game, what pisses me off is when people post about how they want this pvp game to be a pve game! Please, don't get me wrong, feel free to play this game as a pve'er, but PLEASE don't try to turn this shed of hope for pvpers into  a pve game.

 

I find it amusing that PvP players who cannot wait to slam "carebears" and "n00bs" for the percieved lack of "toughness" are usually the same that start shrieking for PvP havens that need to be protected by minefields and barbed wire from the evil hordes of PvErs.

 

Personally I've actually PLAYED the original jumpgate and it had full PVP available just like JG:E is planning to.  I am a PVE and a PVP player.  I like both.  TBQFH the original catered to both crowds just fine and I don't see any reason why the new version wouldn't as well.  People really need to quit pontificating about 'how the game should be' and just wait and see what the developers come up with before going off on their high horses about 'this game should have this, that, etc'.  The devs of this game have done a phenomenal job over the past several YEARS with Jumpgate, there's no reason to think that won't continue with Jumpgate: Evolution.

 

What else does your magic "8" Ball tell you? I still play JGC and I agree that the existing PVP/PVE setting in JGC has worked for the larger part but that won't be possible in JGE with the larger subscriber base that NetDevil will be hoping for. The griefer always has the advantage in choosing to engage or not to engage. If the cavalry shows up in a much more powerful ship or in greater numbers and the griefer will simply run away and log off. The griefer looks for the lone miner or the fat hauler lumbering along any one of a number of circumstances that gives them an advantage. They may or may not try to extort cash from the victim, but their only real desire is to take away something from the other player and that is their entertainment.

My point here again is that even though there may be some of you that think this is how it should be there are those of us that don't think share that view. We want to play a game for the sense of community, to work with others toward a common goal, to escape from reality even for a little while without the stresses of real life weighing down on us. We aren't adicted to adrenaline, we don't feel the need to validate ourselves as being alive in a game. We don't run around yelling "Boom Head Shot", or use terms like "l33t, PWNED or call people Noob" or Smack Talk in game. In short we just want to play online in a virtual community like visiting the local pub, play a game for a bit nurse a pint and unwind after work hence a PVE setting.

Now I don't expect a lot of the posters here to rally around that kind of sentiment. I will point out after all the years I've been playing online and coming to MMO and Online gaming sites the statistics bare out that PVE players overwhelmingly are in the majority. They also are the least vocal of the respondants in forums. I feel its important that the other side of the equation needs to be voiced along with the PVP contingent.

Those who can do, those who can't say we have a disorder to further justify their own salaries. Whats next we're all addicted to oxygen?

Couldn't agree less with the OP.

1) Earth and Beyond

2) Firefly (But I'd better be able to put guns on my ship, Reavers be damned)

3) Privateer (For those of you that remember that stand alone it was a great game, the original though)

4) Eve Online (PVE Server, yeah I know but instead of flaming me just stick to the OP's topic)

5) MechWarrior

Originally posted by jakojako

Originally posted by Kurir

 

Originally posted by Lobotomist

 

Originally posted by ferndip

I played JGC for about 5 years and as a PVE kind of player I honestly never had a problem with griefers. sure they were a few around from time to time, but it wasnt as bad as some of you want to think.  In a game like this, spaceships are going to shoot at you, the only real difference between an npc & a pvper is that it does no good to whine at an npc. & whining at playes could just paint a bigger target on your side. I think its the same in every game be it an orc, an elf or a starship.

 

Now I am not going to speculate what JGE is going to be like, but i remember PVPers used to pay me good credits to make missles & equipment & deliver them and, to do that I had to do all the PVE stuff in the game to help support thier PVP habits. It was all sort of symbiotic in a way, the 2 groups needed each other. I have a feeling that aspect of the game will remain.

 

at least so says the pilot formerly known as "BongGoggle"  

 

Sounds good

But i am getting creeping suspicion they are making PVE servers as well for JGE

As well they should, as much as people want to think we can all live in one happy little world have you taken a look at our little planet recently? I play JGC as well and I'm looking forward to JGE to be introduced on the market, but the one huge issue is that the closeknit community that we currently enjoy on JGC will be replaced by this current crop of players. 

In general it will be a great experience, but that small percentage of jerks will ruin the game play for others its the same in every game thats out there today. PVE servers will be necessary to separate the two communities, PvP players should have what they desire as should PVE players.

As much as the OP likes to say there are numerous PVE games available name the space based, not Sci-Fi based but actually space based PVE games that are currently out there? Hmmm let me help you there aren't any that I'm aware of please correct me if I'm wrong but there are infact PVP space based games, Vendetta Online, Darkspace, Eve and JGC so if JGE provides PVE servers they will have fullfilled a void currently in the market. I do want them to offer PVP servers as well because as much as the PVE player deserves their game play, so does the PVP player.

Before i tell you about the space based pve mmos, why don't you name 5 mmo's of ANY other genre that are pvp based?

The last PVE centric Space based MMO was Earth and Beyond and EA killed that when they bought out Westwood Studios. I hear the emulator project has it up and running but I haven't been able to get it to run yet. So the end result of this little exercise is that the market has a void currently in it with no PVE Space Based MMO being available which JGE could easily fill by providing a PVE server. PvP players get what they want on a PVP server and PVE players get what they want on a PVE server.

You know the Earth and Beyond method of handling death was damn fun. Your ship bacame disabled and you needed to have another player that had the appropriate innate ability to come jumpstart you that or you send out a distress call and were taken to the nearest station which was much more expensive. No corpse looting/stealing stuff from another player or any such nonsense you worked together as a community, but I suppose that concept is lost of the gankfest school of thought.

I'll make my opinion pretty simple, make a PVE server or no subscription money for NetDevil