Originally posted by ghoul31

I already posted the quote . Learn to read

 

Shit like this makes me think you're just out to rile people up.

Honestly, why are so many people yearning for UO again if it was sucha failure? people don't yearn for games that are massive failures. Most of the Darkfall hype comes from the fact that it's like UO - "the world's shittiest game" according to you. I seriously doubt you even played the game for more than a few days (if at all).

I guess everyone is just retarded. Thanks for enlightening us.

Originally posted by egotrip

Originally posted by TrikkyMakk

 

 

 

Darkfall seems to make you actually need some skills.

 

LOOK AT MA DF GAMING SKILLZ: CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK STRAFE LEFT, STRAFE RIGHT CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK F1,F2 CLICK CLICK CLICK..........   It takes skill to play guitar, it takes skill to cook (good anyways), also to fly a plane, climb a mountain even to play chess just to name a few.For all those and many more it takes some amount of skill.                                                                                                                                        

It DOESN'T take any skill though in order to play a video-game mmo or otherwise

I disagree.

Skill is a learned practice. Something you have to learn in order to be good at it.

Skill and talent are not the same (unless you count having a knack for learning quickly as a talent). I think that videogames DO involve skill. If not, why are some people much better at certain games than others? It's because they took the time to learn.

Is being good at a game something to admire? Probably not, but it is still a skill.

In UO, you did have to be skilled at the game. You could have 10 people, give them all the same stats and equipment and make them all fight - the most skilled guy would win. Hell, 1 skilled guy vs 9 not-so-skilled guys could win. That was what made UO great. It was based on your knowledge/ability to play the game and not your class/race/level/uber-magic-wand-of-carebear. Sounds like skill to me.

Chess and UO are both games. Whether digital or otherwise - the person who is able to anticipate his opponent's moves faster and more accurately usually wins.

I hope Darkfall will be the same.

Originally posted by Scorchien

Originally posted by harmonica

Originally posted by ghoul31
 

And when Darkfall fails, you will say it was for "other reasons", not the open pvp and full looting.

Some people never learn

 

 

UO didn't fail.

It did change, though. If UO's creator wasn't a crazy weirdo who wanted to travel in space,  it'd have a great sequel or two by now.

UO has done the most with the genre. So far, everything else has be an Everquest clone. Darkfall is going back to the UO model, which the genre seems to be craving.

If Darkfall fails, it'll be because the game sucks not because it tried to be like UO.

If UO came out today with an updated graphic engine similar to WoW's and a ruleset of UO PreTrammel, it'd be #1.

 

  The creators of UO Richard Garriot and Starr Long had nothing to do with its changes or its failures ..Trammel and everything after were EA s baby .. they pushed RG and SL off the dev at that point and soon after bought them out...If they had been able to stick to there  vision this thread would not exist..

I know, that's why I said it'd have been still going strong if Richard had stayed instead of being so flaky (didn't he leave Tabula Rasa so he can go back into space again?). After they left, it went to shit because EA changed the game to try and compete with Everquest/Carebear games.

Originally posted by ghoul31
 

And when Darkfall fails, you will say it was for "other reasons", not the open pvp and full looting.

Some people never learn

 

UO didn't fail.

It did change, though. If UO's creator wasn't a crazy weirdo who wanted to travel in space,  it'd have a great sequel or two by now.

UO has done the most with the genre. So far, everything else has be an Everquest clone. Darkfall is going back to the UO model, which the genre seems to be craving.

If Darkfall fails, it'll be because the game sucks not because it tried to be like UO.

If UO came out today with an updated graphic engine similar to WoW's and a ruleset of UO PreTrammel, it'd be #1.

Originally posted by ghoul31

Getting ganked was 10 man gank groups all day was not fun. Which is why these games always fail. 

You should have gathered some friends to handle them... Or just, go somewhere else? The world was huge. People who went to places like the Brit Graveyard went there to PvP, if you didn't want to die when you went there, then get better or stop going. It'd be like the guy who gets shot by a camper in a FPS and keeps walking in front of him to get shot over and over. Who's fault is that?

Also, ganking (which wasn't frequent as long as you aren't a retard when it comes to games) was GOOD.

It provides motive for "revenge" within the game. It gives the game a plot when you're PK'd. You actually have FUN when you come back to try and avenge yourself.

In these other games, the only reason to PvP is because the other people chose a different Race class you did when they first started the game. How is that fun?

PvP within MMOs needs to be personal to be fun. The more you know/dislike about your enemy, the more fun it is to play against them.

Originally posted by ghoul31

when UO came out it was the only MMORPG, it had no competitiion. So peopled stayed even though it was a total gankfest. When other options appeared, ala Everquest, everyone left.

I remember when DAOC opened up full pvp servers, they failed miserably

Asherons call darktide has failed

Shadowbane has failed

Every game with fully open pvp and full looting has failed.

And yet you keep saying how everyone loves it?

 

 

UO was already out for a while when Trammel came out and altering a game that much always alienates some of the fan base. Time that with the release of new, 3D Graphic MMORPGs coming out and of course people would move on to new things.
Those other games you mentioned failed for other reasons. Had they no open PvP they probably would have failed even worse.
DAOC's idea of "free PvP' was ridiculous. There were no safe-zones of any kind.

In UO, the chances of being PK'd were not that high unless you were a friggin idiot. There were places where PKs loved to hang out and the only reason to go there would be to fight them. This was cool.

Point is, as long as you were even mildly good enough or smart enough - you were never ganked.
If you were, it's  because you suck at videogames and maybe you should stick to your easy MMORPGs.

UO(pre-UOR) = Normal Mode
Other MMORPGs = Easy Mode

The only people who are "good" at the new MMOs are people who have no lives and can spend 24/hrs a day leveling and getting new items.

Darkfall won't have to be a huge success for me to enjoy it. With the hype it has, it will have at least enough subscribers for people like me to have fun (hoping its as good as UO anyway).

Make it EXACTLY like Ultima Online (Pre-UO:R), but with a 3d environment.

Thank you.

I think you should be able to name your character whatever you want. The only obvious exception being a racial slur or leet speak with numbers.

I remember a bald pale dude in UO named "a Cancer Patient," which I always thought was hilarious.

The only MMO to do this right was Ultima Online.

WIll there be guild wars in Darkfall?

I really am bored by race/faction wars because they're based on nothing other than which race or faction you decided to join within the game. However, guild wars are personal and fucking fun when you kill someone you genuinely dislike (within the context of a game). In UO, when someone f'd with your guild, you'd declare war on their guild and get them to accept (by torturing force if you had to) and it was the the most fun I've ever had in a game.

There are race restrictions and class restrictions according to the FAQ. Certain races can't learn spells (dwarves) as well as other races.

That kind of sucks. :(

Originally posted by eammo

If you need consulting, don't be shy, I have years of experience, and will provide it for free, give me a PM and I'll give you my phone number!

 

 

I don't think that it's a "shy" factor, but rather an ego factor. These guys have run UO into the ground...

 It seems to me there are a lot of people out there who just want to play Ultima Online (Pre-UO:R) again, but the graphical client is just so out of date and there are no legit servers to play the old 2D one on (how hard would it be to make an oldschool server, really?) other than shady private servers.

My dream game is one with the graphics and 3D movement of WoW, but with the rule-set of UO. This means no hotkey bars or classes or race restrictions, just humans that can learn any skill they want by DOING the skill (not level grinding) and can use the skill by pressing a macro and targeting the target manually with their mouse not sitting there eating a sandwich and hitting off 1s and 2s and 3s.

Someone please make this game. :(

Originally posted by Zindaihas

 

If you don't mind losing all your stuff, that's fine and like you say, there's nothing wrong with either style of play, but I disagree with you when you say you are not losing anything more than just pixels.  You've also lost all the time you've committed to acquiring that stuff.  And that's the biggest problem I have with PvP where you can loot another player's items.  I would find it extremely frustrating if I spent hours or even days doing some kind of quest to gain a rare item only to end up losing it in a fight that lasts only a few seconds.

This is why UO (REAL UO, before the original creators left) was king. In UO, there were no Uber-Carebare-Magic-Sword-of-Doom weapons that you had to spend 50 hours trying to get. There were about 3 levels of magic items and they were only mildly better than regular ones. If  you had the BEST magic sword and you fought a guy with a regular sword, the guy with the regular sword could still beat you because UO pvp REQUIRED the person behind the computer to actually know how to win a fight with strategy and your items did not matter.

When you died in UO, the stuff you were carrying was lootable (although if you were an innocent and someone other than your guildmate looted you, they turned grey in color and people could attack them without penalty). However, the stuff you were carrying did not define you. Your items were not that difficult to replace, so while you did mind that you lost them... you weren't going to be heartbroken beacuse items are easy to come by.

Current MMORPGs are designed to keep you playing for hours on end. Therefore, they create these insanely long/boring quests for uber items that you would probably cry if you lost. This needs to go away.

If you make items less important, then you can have looting and more acceptable PvP. People still bitched in UO when they died, but it was because their pride was hurt... which is a GOOD thing. Get stronger, form a posse, or do whatever it takes to kill that person and get revenge and imagine how much fun it will be when you loot their stuff. This lends personality to PvP, which all MMORPGs currently lack.

I think Fury just serves to point out how ridiculous current MMORPG combat is.

It's easy and it's boring. If this game were like UT with fantasy weapons, it'd be fun... but it's like UT with a piece of shit combat system.

Imagine you had all of the guns of UT, but this combat system? It'd never sell.

MMORPGs need to re-evaluate combat... go for something more innovate... See: Ultima Online (Pre-UO:R).