Originally posted by Brenelael

Although I do agree that there should be a certain level of sexiness in STO as we saw this featured prominently in most of the series'(Kirks alien girlfriends, Troi and 7 of 9 in skin tight outfits, T'Pol running around in her skivvies, etc...) I do not think Anime is the answer. The game looks great graphically for a late Alpha build in my opinion and just needs some tweaking... mostly on the animation side of things. This game still has plenty of time to improve as the Beta build has yet to be produced. Give it some time.

 

Bren

again, i said nothing about it being anime, its star trek why the hell would i want it to be anime? anime has its place just like every theme in games.

my complaint was the space battles looks amazing, and when u see the ground combat it looks horrific, the animation is bad ass hell, when they get hit they have seizures, no cool battle pose, stagnant, boring and stale...  i hope they are gonna work on it since space is polished, they need to match in quality, or else nobody would want to go on the ground and look at their avatars do stupid jerky movements

Originally posted by RadioMaryja

you gonna put your anime/eastern mmo > all everywhere ricefarmer? NOBODY CARES!!!!1111 I hope star trek will be as far from anime as possible. you like your asiam games so much? go play aion or something :FFFF

actually i didn't bring it up at all, if u read it, but they got me started on it again by pissing me off

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by ricefarmer

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by ricefarmer

Originally posted by LethalBurst

Asian games suck ass. So does anime and manga. Silly nonsense. Long live western MMOs!

 

lets see... thats the same attitude that got the car industry bankrupt hahahaha yeah ur the best alright,  and comics are dying out and for nerd collectors, manga is for everyone.. whos gonna win in the long run huh? come to think of it.. every western rpg looks like fried hell, with no memorable characters that nobody gives a shit about.

anyways back on topic starwars mmo looks even worst, with retarded wanna be flashy combat that fails miserably, why can't they just make the combat look badass like gears of war... or are the startrek nerds gonna revolt because it looks too cool?

 

Yep, what we need are graphics featuring 12 yr old asian girls and starships that use rice in the warp core. Truth is if youve seen one asian grinder youve seen them all. Lots of flash and no substance. There is a reason why 90% of them are F2P.

its F2p because its a different system genius, obviously the west  is taking note cuz dnd followed the model after their failure, probably due to ugly ass graphics.. rice in warp core?? lol ur just a bias racist.. let me see.. pretty aion girls or... ugly shit faced western mmo game girls? hmmm hard choice..

seems u guys are so conservative even in games.. are u guys part of a feminist group or something? only in this forum does "guys" want hideous chicks in games... yeah go praise runescape some more..  i wonder if these same people complain about super girl wearing a skirt... 

I love hot  women in games, Aoc has some nice ones. But im not into little girls. And the reason 90t% of asian games are F2P is because no one will pay to play them.

what little girls are u talkin about? are u psychotic or something? seeing something thats not there?  i bet ur a real looker in real life huh?

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by ricefarmer

Originally posted by LethalBurst

Asian games suck ass. So does anime and manga. Silly nonsense. Long live western MMOs!

 

lets see... thats the same attitude that got the car industry bankrupt hahahaha yeah ur the best alright,  and comics are dying out and for nerd collectors, manga is for everyone.. whos gonna win in the long run huh? come to think of it.. every western rpg looks like fried hell, with no memorable characters that nobody gives a shit about.

anyways back on topic starwars mmo looks even worst, with retarded wanna be flashy combat that fails miserably, why can't they just make the combat look badass like gears of war... or are the startrek nerds gonna revolt because it looks too cool?

 

Yep, what we need are graphics featuring 12 yr old asian girls and starships that use rice in the warp core. Truth is if youve seen one asian grinder youve seen them all. Lots of flash and no substance. There is a reason why 90% of them are F2P.

its F2p because its a different system genius, obviously the west  is taking note cuz dnd followed the model after their failure, probably due to ugly ass graphics.. rice in warp core?? lol ur just a bias racist.. let me see.. pretty aion girls or... ugly shit faced western mmo game girls? hmmm hard choice..

seems u guys are so conservative even in games.. are u guys part of a feminist group or something? only in this forum does "guys" want hideous chicks in games... yeah go praise runescape some more..  i wonder if these same people complain about super girl wearing a skirt... 

 maybe i was asking too much, but the animation is really bad! and maybe its an unfair comparison to korean games cuz they are a tiny country wired up the ass and an infrastructure built for the future. 

but its not asking much when it suppose to be next gen to get some decent animation, i know for a fact animation shouldn't be that intensive to the bandwidth because its still technically a turn base game like every other mmo.  

everyone defending the west always goes back to good old blizzard as a standard for the west... we know blizzard aint exactly a typical company.. and we know games out of the west aint blizzard... so naming 1 company to represent all west is stupid. why can't western companies be like blizzard? beatiful art direction, animation.. memorable characters.. 

Originally posted by LethalBurst

Asian games suck ass. So does anime and manga. Silly nonsense. Long live western MMOs!

lets see... thats the same attitude that got the car industry bankrupt hahahaha yeah ur the best alright,  and comics are dying out and for nerd collectors, manga is for everyone.. whos gonna win in the long run huh? come to think of it.. every western rpg looks like fried hell, with no memorable characters that nobody gives a shit about.

anyways back on topic starwars mmo looks even worst, with retarded wanna be flashy combat that fails miserably, why can't they just make the combat look badass like gears of war... or are the startrek nerds gonna revolt because it looks too cool?

Originally posted by OuroborosAgn

Silly western elistist stogginess

It should look more like an anime because thats what star trek is like, right?

 

funny i didn't mention any anime, even tho anime does action better then any crappy american cartoon including batman, xmen.. anything really

gears of war is an excellent example of badass combat/atmosphere , character animation, but thats the exception,.. im not saying it has to be that, but anyone whos watch those videos know they are outdated and ugly.  

i like trek, but i hope ur right that they are polishing it, because it needs to be as cool as the space battles.  

example of ground combat: 

avatar moves, stops, stares blankley ahead, no cool battle pose, gets hit starts having a seizure and twitches, stares again, shoots in a non dramatic boring stale way, stares some more.

i know westerners love ugly games cuz they sure love runescape and brag the hell out of darkfall.. but come on folks, get with the times

 seriously, i know western developers usual have horrific animation when it comes to combat but this is terrible, static.. and boring looking.. the space combat looks terrific in comparison.. watch any of the ground unit combats.. they are ugly ass hell too, typical of western games... something needs to change! it looks like a laggy pc game from the 90's

 anyone who plays and doesn't want any part of combat please destroy your computer and stop playing games

 dam it u guys aint getting it... trek has magic in the guise of technology some we can't explain.. so its more just super tech.  and it doesn't pass itself off as magic.

im talkin about straight up magic in space.. starwars is sorta but its not enough.. im talkin real magic scifi show or movie that passes itself off as magic. with no nanotech explaination.. think WOW in space or something

or would u like ur space scifi to be explained through fake tech

Originally posted by Mardy

Originally posted by ricefarmer

 do u guys prefer ur  space scifi to be purely technological.. like trek or u woudln't mind some pure fantasy magic in a space setting? 

do u think they dont really go together? and by magic i mean some wizard type of magic, shooting fireballs, summoning and casting powers.. like real fantasy powers in space.

 

 

 

If they can shoot lasers and space jump, if they can mind control, sure why not, magic is possible.  Heck I even loved cowboys in space a la Firefly.  To me sci-fi should be anything and everything you can imagine.

all those can be explained through pseudo science in the shows... how is cowboys in space so unbelievable that u have to bring it up? 

theres a difference between pure fantasy magic in space, and fake science powers in space.. 

 well it doesn't have to be games, im talkin shows and movies too...

i'm sorta torn by what the genre could be... i actually like to call future scifi, sci-tech... I'd like everything to be explained through fake science that kinda makes sense... but i also love pure magic.. it would leave room for dragons in space lol.. 

maybe if someone did it right i would be convinced.. this is probably why fantasy is so much more easier to do in games cuz nearly everything is possible.. probably why they arent making starcraft mmo cuz it just wont work.. unless ur fine with just picking out different guns all the time (in place of magic) hmm that would be kinda cool actually

 do u guys prefer ur  space scifi to be purely technological.. like trek or u woudln't mind some pure fantasy magic in a space setting? 

do u think they dont really go together? and by magic i mean some wizard type of magic, shooting fireballs, summoning and casting powers.. like real fantasy powers in space.

 all the people who are haters.. what the hell do u consider good music then? loud screamo rock with zero singing ability? at least linkin park singer actually can sing.. and they play instruments.. what the hell is there to hate?

unless ur the typical white guy who just hates anything thats popular and claim ur crap is good when nobody likes it... i dont get it.. probably wears leather to look cool even tho ur super weak with no athletic ability.. probably can't dance

its funny how people say koreans are nothing but point and click... yet they'll go and play diablo 3...

 OK EVERYONE THIS IS THE OP..

why are all these people who dont know what the thread is about jumping in? claiming fps as mmo's?? wtf.. how stupid is that.. 

the point i was making is leading in innovation.. as previously pointed out.. just the fact that our infrastructure can't handle their next gen games means they are leading in innovation.. they have real time combat. real time blocking.. console level action in an mmo.. nothing in the west comes remotely close to that. NOTHING this is a fact... does this not register with people?

starwars mmo coming up looks like ass.. i dont get why the west loves making ugly games.. its like one after another.. and its suppose to be next gen.. it makes the next gen korean games looks 30 years ahead..

people who keep bringing up they are all point and click are talkin about old ass games.. and western games have the same mechanic so i dont know how is that an argument.. do urself a favor and look up some next gen korean games b4 u chime in. and make an ass out of urselves. 

they have billions of genres for everyone.. all mmos out of the west are for the nerd culture.. or kids games. they have kart racing, shooters, even golf.. dont u think logicially that a race that is obsessed with mmo's will take over? all there sucky games have higher subs then "hyped up" western games..  with devs always talking out of their ass

there is no way, anyone who isn't bias can say the west is innovating.. unless ur that blind.. serioulsy look up the next gen mmos from the west and east and tell me which is more innovative/different, and brand new gameplay

Originally posted by Dibdabs

Ah, you have reading difficulties.  Ok then, I shall clarify...  When I say"shit combat graphics/sound effects" I mean that the sound effects and the graphics for combat are shit.  It didn't seem that hard to me, but there you go.  :)

The rest of the things that I don't like and the reason why I dislike them will become apparent if you slowly spell your way through the post again.  You may move your lips if it helps. 

if u think aion combat is crap, then u hate every western mmo cuz its even worst... do urself a favor and look up next gen korean mmos and how it could possibly be crap.. and if u think games like continent 9, blade and soul, tera online, are crap then theres no point in talking to u because they are console level action combat.. 

maybe u just dont like games? go play fps or something

Originally posted by Tisiphone

 

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Originally posted by ricefarmer

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Originally posted by RadioMaryja

 

lal, whats about all they hype about real-time combat in mmorpg? i like blocking implemented in mount and blade, but im not sure if i would like that mmorpg. delay/ping would be very big issue for many with 56k/slow connections. im not saying autoattack/autoaim is good cause its not, but pure dynamic fighting aint good idea either. what next? learning all the moves sequences like in the tekken/street fighter games? no thanks. if koreans find that cool - good for them, i guess i like oldschool games where you can spend more time actually chilling out while playing instead of focusing all attention and senses like in some action games. i played some asian games, and altho i like artwork in some, gameplay/lore don't appeal to me so i didnt play them for long. and i love their anti-bot policy - it never works and bots are everywhere.

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wow way to look forward to the future.. by staying exactly the same... imagin that kind of combat in god of war... how boring would that be.. serioulsy.. are u guys really that backwards? u rather have boring stand in front of ur enemy and click.. rather then actuall figthing...  if a console game had that kind of gameplay it would get canned immediately

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He was making an argument about technical and bandwidth considerations. It had nothing to do with 'wanting to stay the same' (?!).

I will restate what RadioMaryja said in a different way:

*CONSOLE GAMES are either small group or single player. Console hardware is also uniform.* Therefore, one's system only has to deal with the actions and rendered avatars of three or four other people in a controlled environment. Make that three hundred or four hundred avatars performing actions similar to console games, and you will start to see MMORPG players having the same problems (but much worse) as people with poor connections and lower end systems have in Counterstrike or Gears of War. This is even making the assumption that an average PC could handle -both- the enormity of an MMORPG and the engine and physics of a console game.

The person with a 56K tries to evade the person with a fiber connection's twitch attack, and is instantly killed due to their higher latency. Then that person is killed by the person with a fiber connection and faster processor. The people with the higher latency and lower system specs can't move as fast, don't get graphical updates as fast, and are at an overall disadvantage all the time. It doesn't matter how smart or reactive they are as a player.

Until bandwidth and systems are uniformly modernized for most players, it will be really hard to get any system like what you're suggesting off the ground (or market it in the USA, where we have one of the lowest broadband adoption rates in the industrialized world).

We all want games like what you're suggesting, but the servers, network infrastructure, and gaming systems just aren't there yet. Hopefully in a few years, they will be.

well then thanks for making my point that their next gen games are superior to ours...  we can't handle it, but they can.. and that says alot

Originally posted by RadioMaryja

lal, whats about all they hype about real-time combat in mmorpg? i like blocking implemented in mount and blade, but im not sure if i would like that mmorpg. delay/ping would be very big issue for many with 56k/slow connections. im not saying autoattack/autoaim is good cause its not, but pure dynamic fighting aint good idea either. what next? learning all the moves sequences like in the tekken/street fighter games? no thanks. if koreans find that cool - good for them, i guess i like oldschool games where you can spend more time actually chilling out while playing instead of focusing all attention and senses like in some action games. i played some asian games, and altho i like artwork in some, gameplay/lore don't appeal to me so i didnt play them for long. and i love their anti-bot policy - it never works and bots are everywhere.

wow way to look forward to the future.. by staying exactly the same... imagin that kind of combat in god of war... how boring would that be.. serioulsy.. are u guys really that backwards? u rather have boring stand in front of ur enemy and click.. rather then actuall figthing...  if a console game had that kind of gameplay it would get canned immediately

Originally posted by Burntvet

Art work is nice, but gameplay trumps it for me 10X over.

I have seen many Korean F2Ps that looked nice, but it is always the same some grind treadmill crap with RMT shops with the best items. I remember playing one of these that automatically used up healing potions, for instance, which would auto heal you, using healing potions in your inv, that were not common drops, that to keep a supply of the damn things, you had to buy large stacks from the cash shop.

No thank you.

It is not "racist", as a certain poster on here says, to say I hate Korean grinders, no matter how nice they look.  It has nothing to do with the fact that they were made in Korea (and yes, I have been there) or Asia or anywhere else, it has to do with the fact that I hate forced RMT and massive, massive grinds, and crappy gameplay.

Make a good game, and people will play it. Making crappy excuses as to why people don't play more of a certain type of game, and all that is being done is blaming the player for not playing a crappy game.

 

 

do u not read? gameplay trumps 10x? this whole thread has been saying the korean "gameplay" has evolved to real time combat thats on the caliber of fighitng games... and u say gameplay trumps all? what western game are u talkin about they all have the same dam "gameplay" that copies wow's dice rolls.. so what the hell are u talkin about? stop blindly commenting and making things up

and people need to stop comparing low-end korean mmos to subscription mmo... if u look at western low end.. its even worst..