well, there are several things that will make traveling much easier:

1) Skills: mainly navigation skills. navigation skill gives you 5% speed bonus/level, acceleration control gives you 5% speed bonus to Afterburner/mwd per level, spaceship command gives you 5% agility/level (turn and accelerate faster)

2) Modules: mainly Afterburners/Microwarpdrives (2x/5x speed), overdrives/nanofibers (+30/+20 m/s) and inertia stabilicers (faster turning and warping)

3) Bookmarks: you make a bookmark 13 km past the stargate, so that when you warp to 15 km of the bookmark you land on top of the stargate or station

4) Clone Jumps: not usuful for transportation, but they let you travel instantly to any station on the universe you have a clone jump instalated

5) Game Knowledge: at some time you will realise that you really dont need to travel more than 1 or 2 systems away, and only on very special ocasions you will need to go further than 5 or 6 systems away. of course, unless you do courier missions, but that is what courier missions are about: traveling

for example, now i spend most of my time on a pretty little 0.3 system on mimatar state. i do combat missions there, and ALL of them are on the same system. if i ever get a mission that is not on my system, i cancel it and ask for another one. i only have to travel for storyline missions, which agent is 3 systems away, but that is once every 4 or 5 days.

i got 4 clone jumps. one on 0.0 to do mining and pvp operations with my corp, and 1 more on each major empire faction territory.

it's been months since i traveled more than 3 systems away.

PS: btw, with my actual skills (not even great) i can hit more than 3k m/s on a frigate. that means traveling the 13 km to the gate on a little more than 4 seconds. with cruisers i can easily hit 1500 m/s, and with BS it is very easy to travel at 700 or 800 m/s

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Originally posted by spizz
Just imagine you have an mmorpg with quests, character development but the combat depends on your own skills with the mouse and keyboard..that would be something new and would get new fresh air in the quiete old mmorpg world.

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i wouldnt play. i dont want to rely on my own hand eye coordination. i want to rely on my character's hand eye coordination. that is why i play, to roleplay a character, not to use my own habilities on a computer generated character. i want to be him/her, as much as i can. so even though i may need glasses on real life, a can be a very good archer on a game, just becuase my character has a hig perception and agility, not me.

and even though i am not very hard or strong, i can roleplay a heavy fighter, incredibly strong, able to use a big sword on hand hand a big shield on the other, even though i myself cant even help from cutting myself while using a knife.

and with magic it is even more ridiculous. what do you want? people dancing and shouting on their rooms to cast a spell? come on... its a roleplaying game. you play your character, not yourself.

this is the reason i loved Baldur's GAte games, and didnt play too much morrowind (even though it is a very good game)

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Originally posted by hedgewan
I tried 4 free trials of it doing different things, then finally bought a copy and tried it for a month. I did end up cancelling. Im terribly hard to please when it comes to space games. Eve is not real space physics entirely. I was ruined by games like Independence War series and Babylon 5 where the physics are quite real as opposed to this.This game reminds me of playing the old X-Wing type games, Star Wars universe not so real physics. I thought I could get past that, but I would have liked to get into a skirmish or two at some point, and not having much leaning towards real-space phyics just would not satisfy me. For example, in this game, you always have to have your ship pointed towards which direction you wish to go, that is not at all how my mind works and I find it very limiting. I wish I wasn't so spoiled with the physics because I really really wanted to like it. It looked neat except for that.

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yes, you are right. EVE doesnt simulate space physics. it simulates underwater physics. kind of strange.

it is because EVE isnt a simulator. it is a strategy/roleplaying game. just like on any regular MMORPG real physics dont work at all. nobody can run forever, or carry 400 pounds, or stay awake for 5 consecutive days. also is not realistic to find a sword inside the body of a wolf. and dont get me started on how realistic magic spells are... or leveling. now your strenght is 60. you kill this ugly troll, and you get one level more and your strenght is now 68

or even death. is it realistis that you die, and then you become a ghost? or even worse, you die and you get back to the last town you visited, with all your personal belongings!!!!! Spiritual Fedex FTW!!!!

bottom line, EVE is not a simulator. it is a roleplaying game just like GW (jumping?), L2, Ryzom or SWG. neither of these games got a specially good physics representation.

[quote]Originally posted by Gameloading
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[quote]Originally posted by damian7[b]
[quote]Originally posted by battleaxe22[b]eveisbad kbai thx it seems just so booring .... the trial almost made me fall asleep
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from the 17 year old wow player.  to the person talking about elitist eve players...  i think it's hard to NOT cop an elitist attitude with some posters, no matter what game you play.[/b][/quote]
so because he is 17 and plays WoW his opinnion is not valid anymore?[/b][/quote]

it is not that his opinion is not valid. it is just that is fits so well... it is the perfect example us EVE players have been waiting for. he is 17, he is not mature enough for EVE so he hates it. thus, he plays wow, the most simplistic and watered down MMOPRG on history.

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Originally posted by fizzle322

BoB has contributed jack diddly squat to Eve.
You know the type. Trash talking, bullying, condescending, because we are the great BoB.
Some of their members were ore thieves and lowesec pirates, now all of a sudden they're "outraged" at Goonsquad's bad behavior.
If you ever see BoB members coming into your neighborhood, don't make
the mistake of trying to be friendly, I've seen them come into lowsec
space and just start killing randoms for no reason.
Yes, this is the great BoB everyone's so afraid of, the combat experts
that take it to the edge, basically they are a band of 3 year old pirates getting their giggles at the expense of newer people.
Some of them are reputed to be employees of CCP. Class all the way.

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what exactly is the purpose of this thread?

i wish this was broadcasted en EVETV also. hey Rod, dont forget to tell someone there at BoB to start fraps on the important battles.

is it true that with the new WoW expansion players will be able to select dungeon difficulty before entering?

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Originally posted by Elnator
EVE is #1 because while it doesn't appeal to everyone even those who generally don't like it are able to see WHY others do like it.  So they don't BLAST it like they would SWG (just as a really obvious example).

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i can tell you for sure that there are many serius EVE haters on these boards that have rated EVE as low as they can. i see more hate towards EVE and EVE players than any other game bar WoW

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Originally posted by Elnator
All that said:EVE fans are the most immature and intolerant community I have ever experienced on a message board.  If you dissagree with them they immediately assume you're 'not mature enough' to understand the game they love.  They jump on this 'the game is too complex for you' high horse and other aspects.  They claim they are more mature than other communities but their actions speak FAR louder than their words.  *IN GAME* the EVE community is about on par with any other I've played in.  Generally pretty nice with it's fair share of jack-tards that make you wish to hell you could get into a real corp as fast as possible.Anytime I see an EVE poster say the community is more mature I just have to laugh at the pompous, immature, and superior attitude they're displaying for all to see.

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well, EVE player base is significantly older than any other MMORPG. that alone makes playerbase more mature.

why is the playerbase older? because the game has something that keeps children and adolescents from playing while at the same time makes it interesting for older players. what is it? dont know. probably the time based skill advancement and the badly implemented pve. but no one can deny that there are very few under 18 EVE players. in one year i have only met one. and he turned 18 nine months ago. the other hundred people or so i've met are between 20 and 48 years old.

meanwhile, my 14 year old sister plays WoW and she has met hundreds of children like her. same happens in GW.

i dont know about the others, since i havent played them, but i would guess that SWG playerbase was older and more mature two years ago than now.

and probably Ryzom and ATITD have a quite older comunity as well.

so yes, comparing EVE to WoW and GW, EVE players are far more mature, on average.

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Originally posted by Roin

Why is it that every Eve-Supporter has to toss the word maturity in their post, when referencing Eve-Online?  I still don't believe Eve-online community is anymore mature then any other i've played with, and i've seen the best and worse of it.

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well, maybe it is just a coincidence. my dad is 60 years old. i have tried to get him into gaming many times. i tried with strategy games (age of empires, warcraft...), football games (fifa, PES, championship manager), rpg (morrowind, baldur's gate), MMORPGs (wow, guild wars), classic games (mineswapper, chess, solitaire), simulation games (the sims, microsoft flight simulator, need for speed...), FPS (half life 2, far cry, doom 3)...

he never liked any game. only ones he said were a little bit interesting were Europa Universalis 2, Civilization, championship manager, chess, flight simulator and TOCA Race Driver 2 (i've even got him to play sometimes with the wheel). on every other game he always said it was pointless, a waste of time, simplistic...

some weeks ago i was playing EVE and he came into my room. he asked me about the game and i explained to him about pvp, real time skills, player driven market, production... he told me he was glad that i finally found a really interesting game to spend so many hours, and that he will think about playing it too. then i told him about monthly fees... yes, he wont play, he doesnt have time to make it worth paying 13 €/month, but it was the first time he really seemed interested on a game. he asked me many questions about the market, economy, production, mining, alliances, sovereignity, pirates, bountyhunting... he was really surprised to find a kind of parallel universe on a game.

i asked him what made that game interesting to him, and he told me it was realism (yeah, realism on a spaceships game ) and that it seemed that i could learn useful things by playing. things like cooperation, basic economy, responsability for own acts, patience, education... yes, he was a little bit excited, but the thing is that for my dad to act like that, he must have seen something special on the game.

then i thought about the games he less disliked on the past, and i came to the conclusion that my dad likes slow games where thinking is more important than reflexes, and were there is something valuable to be learnt, whether it is history or how to fly a plane.

well, my dad is 60, he is very mature. and the only game i've seen him interested on his whole life is EVE.

meanwhile, my little sister (14 years old) only wants to play The Sims, Need for Speed Underground, FIFA 2004 and WoW (which my father finds horribly boring and pointless)

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Originally posted by jaroca
Greetings,I am looking for a new mmorpg to play. I have played World of Warcraft, Guild Wars, and Dungeons & Dragons online. Can anyone recommend a game to play.Thanks

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wow, you've played the Holy Trylogy

now, grab a real MMORPG for a change

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Originally posted by Gameloading

the thing is, the awards and reviews are made by people who know what the heck they are talking about. expecialy the awards are given on base of quality.

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you do not really believe that, do you? there is nothing more heartbreaking than watching the Oscars or Grammy prizes. yeah, so much for quality.

of course, money and marketing got nothing to do with those prizes. any really good singer can win a grammy. he/she doesnt need a big company behind. only gotta worry about doing quality songs. and then, awards will rain down on him/her.

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Originally posted by PsYklon3
how is the freedom of the game? Can you just walk around doing what you wish like in WoW?

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well, i really wish wow is the only MMORPG you've played. that would save you from being dumb. do you really think wow gives you freedom? the only MMORPG i can think of that is even more restrictive than WoW is Guild Wars.

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Originally posted by heartless

Absolutely right. But if I wanted to become a Nobel prize winner is physics, I can. And if I wanted to become the best soccer player and headbutt people I can do that also. If..if I were blessed with the gift of immortality. Unfortunately age and degradation of our bodies puts a hamper on that idea.
However, as I said in my previous posts, if you were going to emulate the real world, which many MMORPGs attempt to do, giving the player as much control over advancement as possible is very important. Limiting the player is never good.

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what you dont understand is that you got control over advancement. you get to choose your starting atributes, which are the ones that dictate how fast you will train. YOU CHOOSE THEM. if you want to be good at gunnery, you pick perception and willpower. if you want to be a scintific you pick inteligence and memory. if you want to be a trader, you pick charisma and willpower. if you choose wisely, you will get to be the best at what you do, because there is a limit to every skill. level 5, that is all. once you get to level 5 on all the relevant skills, you'll be as good as anybody that has been playing for 5 years more than you.

but just as in real life, if after getting to the top on one field, you want to get to the top on another field, you'll have to train for a long time to catch those that have been doing that for all their lives.

you can pretend to win wimblendon one year, and the next year win a marathon.

on EVE, you choose your skills, your career, and at the beggining you choose you atributes (kind of your real life strengths or talents). so i think it is the game that gives more control to the player of all the games on the market right now.

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Originally posted by heartless
Yes, you can invest into suplemental skills to rapidly learn high gunnery, but you'll be terrible in everything else.

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of course. you want to be a physics nobel prize and a elite soccer player at the same time? not going to happen. if you want to be among the top of anything on real life, you will suck at many other things. unfortunately, you are not leonardo da vinci.

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Originally posted by heartless
If the real world was anything like EvE, I'd always be wrose than someone who studied a year longer than me because of time itself.

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well, in fact, life is usually that way. how many people do you know that are the best in the world at whatever they do? there is always someone better somewhere. there is only 1 number 1. life doesnt stop at level 60. scientifics keep studing and investigating, basketball players keep training everyday, singers keep practising... nobody stops and says "hey, i am maxed out"

so you say, what if i am naturally gifted for karate? couldnt i practice a lot and be better than veteran? yes, very difficult, but yes, you could, given you had some natural skill and understanding of karate. but it would take you a very long time, a very hard work, and you would most surely have to devote most of your time to it, leaving behind many more activities.

how does it reflect on EVE? well, lets imagine a veteran player with 8 million skill points on gunnery. he has 24 perception and 22 willpower. now, imagine you begin your career on EVE, and find yourself specially talented towards fighting, with a perception of 31 (not hard to attain with the new amarr bloodline) and a willpower of 27.

this means you will train 131% faster than him on gunnery skills, or 11 sp more per minute. so if both you and him keep training only gunnery skills, you will catch him up after 505 days. yes, it is a long time, but what did you expect? to be number 1 on a few weeks?

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Originally posted by Bladin
ya but in most games you can catch up to veterans with alot of hard work or with a good guild, but in eve you are unable to "catch up" through any effort of your own besides just being active on the game longer.

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that is because they are artificially capped. they have a limit. you hit the "level 60 wall" and that's it. no more progression.

i very much prefer eve. no limits. my character will never hit the "level 60 wall". i dont care that other players have more skill points than i have. what is important for me is to be able to develop my character forever and see how it keeps progressing without worrying about any experience limit. i can train any skill i want, the only limit is time. but i have plenty of it. in fact, i have 24 hours every day of non-stop training.

i enjoyed Morrowind a lot. it is very inmersive, and quite easy to control once you practice a little.

but i loved Baldurs Gate (1, 2 and expansions) and its point&click movement. i wouldnt want developers to get rid of either of the systems. some games catter better for wasd movement, while others do great with mouse pointing.

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Originally posted by Jackcolt

PvP is currently just about who has the best character/equipment

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i find that perfect. as long as character is really much more important than equipment. what do you want? to use your own casting skills?

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Originally posted by battleaxe22
im sorry but i can't stand being "a ship "  -.-

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yeah, much more better to be an orc or a dwarf.

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Originally posted by Theodoryk

Originally posted by GameloadingYes! Finally a topic about EVE!

Yes, finally, another troll post by Gameloading!

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/pwned