Trending Games | Landmark | Warhammer 40K: Eternal Crusade | Star Wars: The Old Republic | EVE Online

  Network:  FPSguru RTSguru
Login:  Password:   Remember?  
Show Quick Gamelist Jump to Random Game
Members:2,919,392 Users Online:0
Games:760  Posts:6,309,732
Recent forum postsRSS
Active threads
Cloud view
List all forums
General Forums
Developers Corner General Discussion
Popular Game Forums
Click a status to find game forum
Game Forums
Click a letter to find game forum
A-C
2029 Online 2112: Revolution 2Moons 4Story 8BitMMO 9 Dragons A Mystical Land A Tale in the Desert III A3 ACE Online ARGO Online Aberoth Absolute Force Online Absolute Terror Achaea Adellion Aerrevan Aetolia, the Midnight Age Age of Armor Age of Conan Age of Empires Online Age of Mourning Age of Wulin Age of Wushu Aida Arenas Aika Aion Albion Online Alganon All Points Bulletin (APB) Allods Online Altis Gates Amazing World Anarchy Online Ancients of Fasaria Andromeda 5 Angels Online Angry Birds Epic Anime Ninja Anime Pirates Anime Trumps Anmynor Anno Online Applo Arcane Hearts Arcane Legends ArchLord ArcheAge Archeblade Archlord X Ascend: Hand of Kul Asda 2 Asda Story Ashen Empires Asheron's Call Asheron's Call 2 Astera Online Astonia III Astro Empires Astro Lords: Oort CLoud Asura Force Atlantica Online Atriarch Aura Kingdom Aurora Blade Auto Assault Avatar Star Battle Dawn Battle Dawn Galaxies Battle for Graxia Battle of 3 Kingdoms Battle of the Immortals Battlecruiser Online Battlestar Galactica Online Battlestar Reloaded Beyond Protocol Black Aftermath Black Desert Black Gold Black Prophecy Black Prophecy Tactics: Nexus Conflict Blacklight Retribution Blade & Soul Blade Hunter Blade Wars Blazing Throne Bless Blitz 1941 Blood and Jade Bloodlines Champions Boot Hill Heroes Borderlands 2 Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel Bound by Flame Bounty Bay Online Brain Storm Bravada Bravely Default Bravely Second Brawl Busters. Brick-Force Bright Shadow Bullet Run Business Tycoon Online CTRacer Cabal Online Caesary Call of Camelot Call of Gods Call of Thrones Camelot Unchained Canaan Online Cardmon Hero Cartoon Universe CasinoRPG Cast & Conquer Castle Empire Castlot Celtic Heroes Champions Online Champions of Regnum Chaos Online Child of Light Chrono Tales Citadel of Sorcery CitiesXL Citizen Zero City of Decay City of Heroes City of Steam City of Transformers City of Villains Civilization Online Clan Lord Clash of Clans Cloud Nine Club Penguin Colony of War Command & Conquer: Tiberium Alliances Company of Heroes Online Conquer Online Conquer Online 3 Continent of the Ninth (C9) Core Blaze Core Exiles Corum Online Craft of Gods Crimecraft Crimelife 2 Cronous Crota II Crusaders of Solaris Cultures Online Cyber Monster 2 Cyberpunk 2077 Céiron Wars
D-F
D&D Online DC Universe DK Online DOTA DOTA 2 DUST 514 DV8: Exile Dalethaan Dance Groove Online Dark Age of Camelot Dark Ages Dark Legends Dark Orbit Dark Relic: Prelude Dark Solstice Dark Souls 2 Dark and Light DarkEden Online DarkSpace Darkblood Online Darkest Dungeon Darkfall Darkfall: Unholy Wars Darkwind: War on Wheels Das Tal Dawn of Fantasy Dawntide DayZ Dead Earth Dead Frontier Dead Island Dead Island 2 Dead Island: Riptide Deco Online Deep Down Deepworld Defiance Deicide Online Dekaron Demons at the Horizon Desert Operations Destiny Diablo 3 Diamonin Digimon Battle Dino Storm Disciple Divergence Divina Divine Souls Divinity: Original Sin Dofus Dominus Online Dragon Age: Inquisition Dragon Ball Online Dragon Born Online Dragon Crusade Dragon Empires Dragon Eternity Dragon Fin Soup Dragon Nest Dragon Oath Dragon Pals Dragon Raja Dragon's Call Dragon's Call II Dragon's Prophet DragonSky DragonSoul Dragona Dragonica Dragons and Titans Drakengard 3 Dream of Mirror Online Dreamland Online Dreamlords: The Reawakening Drift City Duels Dungeon Blitz Dungeon Fighter Online Dungeon Overlord Dungeon Party Dungeon Rampage Dungeon Runners Dungeon of the Endless Dynastica Dynasty Warriors Online Dynasty of the Magi EIN (Epicus Incognitus) EVE Online Earth Eternal Earth and Beyond Earthrise Eclipse War Ecol Tactics Online Eden Eternal Edge of Space Einherjar - The Viking's Blood Elder Scrolls Online Eldevin Elf Online Elite: Dangerous Embers of Caerus Emil Chronicle Online Empire Empire & State Empire Craft Empire Universe 3 EmpireQuest Empires of Galldon End of Nations Endless Ages Endless Blue Moon Online Endless Online Entropia Universe EpicDuel Erebus: Travia Reborn Eredan Eternal Blade Eternal Lands Eternal Saga Ether Fields Ether Saga Online Eudemons Online EuroGangster EverEmber Online EverQuest Next EverQuest Online Adventures Evernight Everquest Everquest II Evony Exarch Exorace F.E.A.R. Online Face of Mankind Fairyland Online Fall of Rome Fallen Earth Fallen Sword Fallout 4 Fallout Online Family Guy Online Fantage Fantasy Earth Zero Fantasy Realm Online Fantasy Tales Online Fantasy Worlds: Rhynn Faunasphere Faxion Online Fearless Fantasy Ferentus Ferion Fiesta Online Final Fantasy Type-0 HD Final Fantasy XI Final Fantasy XIV Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn Firefall Fists of Fu Florensia Flyff Football Manager Live Football Superstars Force of Arms Forge Forsaken Uprising Forsaken World Fortnite Fortuna Forum for Discussion of Everlight Freaky Creatures Free Realms Freesky Online Freeworld Fung Wan Online Furcadia Fury Fusion Fall
G-L
GalaXseeds Galactic Command Online Game of Thrones: Seven Kingdoms Gameglobe Gate To Heavens Gates of Andaron Gatheryn Gauntlet Gekkeiju Online Ghost Online Ghost Recon Online Gladiatus Glitch Global Agenda Global Soccer Gloria Victis Glory of Gods GoGoRacer Goal Line Blitz Gods and Heroes GodsWar Online Golemizer Golf Star GoonZu Online Graal Kingdoms Granado Espada Online Grand Chase Grand Fantasia Grepolis Grimlands Guild Wars Guild Wars 2 Guild Wars Factions Guild Wars Nightfall H1Z1 Habbo Hotel Hailan Rising HaloSphere2 Haven & Hearth Hawken Heart Forth Alicia Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft Helbreath Hellgate Hellgate: London Hello Kitty Online Hero Online Hero Zero Hero's Journey Hero: 108 Online HeroSmash Heroes & Generals Heroes & Legends: Conquerors of Kolhar Heroes in the Sky Heroes of Atlan Heroes of Bestia Heroes of Gaia Heroes of Might and Magic Online Heroes of Thessalonica Heroes of Three Kingdoms Heroes of the Storm Hex Holic Online Hostile Space Hunter Blade Huxley Icewind Dale: Enhanced Edition Illutia Illyriad Immortals USA Imperator Imperian Inferno Legend Infestation: Survivor Stories Infinite Crisis Infinity Infinity Iris Online Iron Grip: Marauders Irth Worlds Island Forge Islands of War Istaria: Chronicles of the Gifted Jade Dynasty Jagged Alliance Online Juggernaut Jumpgate Jumpgate Evolution KAL Online Kakele Online Kaos War Karos Online Kartuga Kicks Online King of Kings 3 Kingdom Heroes Kingdom Under Fire II Kingdom of Drakkar Kingory Kings Era Kings and Legends Kings of the Realm KingsRoad Kitsu Saga Kiwarriors Knight Age Knight Online Knights of Dream City Kothuria Kung Foo! Kunlun Online Kyn L.A.W. LEGO Universe La Tale Land of Chaos Online Landmark Lands of Hope: Redemption LastChaos League of Angels League of Legends - Clash of Fates Legend of Edda: Vengeance Legend of Golden Plume Legend of Grimrock 2 Legend of Katha Legend of Mir 2 Legend of Mir 3 Legendary Champions Lego Minifigures Online Lichdom: Battlemage Life is Feudal Light of Nova Lime Odyssey Line of Defense Lineage Lineage Eternal: Twilight Resistance Lineage II Linkrealms Loong Online Lord of the Rings Online Lords Online Lords of the Fallen Lost Saga Lucent Heart Lunia Lusternia: Age of Ascension Luvinia World
M-Q
MU Online Mabinogi Maestia: Rise of Keledus MagiKnights Magic Barrage Magic World Online Manga Fighter MapleStory Martial Heroes Marvel Heroes Marvel Super Hero Squad Online Marvel: Avengers Alliance Mass Effect 4 MechWarrior Online Megaten Meridian 59 : Evolution Merlin MetalMercs Metaplace Metin 2 MicroVolts Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor Midkemia Online Might & Magic Heroes: Kingdoms Might & Magic X: Legacy MilMo Minecraft Mini Fighter Minions of Mirth Ministry of War Monato Esprit Monkey King Online Monkey Quest Monster & Me Monster Madness Online MonsterMMORPG Moonlight Online: Tales of Eternal Blood Moonrise Mordavia Mortal Online Mourning My Lands Myst Online: URU Live Myth Angels Online Myth War Myth War 2 Mythborne Mytheon Mythic Saga Mythos N.E.O Online NIDA Online Nadirim Naviage: The Power of Capital Navy Field Need for Speed World Nemexia Neo's Land NeoSteam Neocron Nether Neverwinter Nexus: The Kingdom Of The Winds NinjaTrick NosTale Novus Aeterno Oberin Odin Quest Odyssey RPG Ogre Island Omerta 3 Online Boxing Manager Onverse Oort Online Order & Chaos Online Order of Magic Original Blood Origins Return Origins of Malu Orion's Belt Otherland Forums OverSoul Overkings Overwatch Oz Online Oz World Pandora Saga Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen Panzar Parabellum Parallel Kingdom Parfait Station Path of Exile Pathfinder Online Perfect World Perpetuum Online Persona V Phantasy Star Online 2 Phantasy Star Universe Phoenix Dynasty Online Phylon Pi Story Picaroon Pillars of Eternity Pirate Galaxy Pirate Storm Pirate101 PirateKing Online Pirates of the Burning Sea Pirates of the Caribbean Online Pixie Hollow Planeshift Planet Arkadia Planet Calypso PlanetSide 2 Planetside Planets³ Playboy Manager Pocket Legends Pockie Ninja Pockie Pirates Pockie Saints Pokémon X and Y PoxNora Prime World Prime: Battle for Dominus Priston Tale Priston Tale II Prius Online Prodigy Project Blackout Project Gorgon Project Powder Project Titan Forums Project Wiki Project Zomboid Puzzle Pirates Quest for Infamy Quickhit Football
R-S
R2 Online RAN Online RF Online ROSE Online Rage of 3 Kingdoms Ragnarok Online Ragnarok Online II RaiderZ Rail Nation Rakion Rappelz RappelzSEA Ravenmarch Realm Fighter Realm of Sierra Realm of the Mad God Realm of the Titans Realms Online Rebel Galaxy Reclamation Red Stone Red War: Edem's Curse Regnum Online Remnant Knights Renaissance Repulse Requiem: Memento Mori Rift RiotZone Rise Rise of Dragonian Era Rise of Empire Rise of the Tycoon Risen 3: Titan Lords Rising of King Risk Your Life Rivality Rockfree Rohan: Blood Feud Role Play Worlds Roll n Rock Roma Victor Romadoria Rosh Online Roto X Rubies of Eventide Ruin Online Rumble Fighter Runes of Magic Runescape Rust Rusty Hearts Ryzom S4 League SAGA SD Gundam Capsule Fighter Online SMITE SUN Sacred 3 Sagramore Salem SaySayGirls Scarlet Blade Scions of Fate Seal Online: Evolution Second Chance Heroes Second Life Secret of the Solstice Seed Serenia Fantasy Seven Seas Saga Seven Souls Online Sevencore Shadow Realms Shadow of Legend Shadowbane Shadowgate Shadowrun Online Shaiya Shards Online Shattered Galaxy Sho Online Shot Online Shroud of the Avatar SideQuest Siege on Stars Sigonyth: Desert Eternity Silkroad Online Skyblade Skyforge SmashMuck Champions Smoo Online Soldier Front Soul Master Soul Order Online Soul of Guardian South Park: The Stick of Truth Space Heroes Universe Sparta: War of Empires Spellcasters Sphere Spiral Knights Spirit Tales Splash Fighters Squad Wars Star Citizen Star Conflict Star Sonata 2 Star Stable Star Supremacy Star Trek Online Star Trek: Infinite Space Star Wars Galaxies Star Wars: Clone Wars Adventures Star Wars: The Old Republic StarQuest Online Starbound Stargate Worlds Starlight Story Starpires State of Decay SteelWar Online Stone Age 2 Stormfall: Age of War Stormthrone Storybricks Stronghold Kingdoms Styx: Master of Shadows Sudden Attack Supremacy 1914 Supreme Destiny Sword Girls Sword of Destiny: Rise of Aions SwordX Swords of Heavens Swordsman
T-Z
TERA TS Online TUG Tabula Rasa Tactica Online Tales Runner Tales of Fantasy Tales of Pirates Tales of Pirates II Tales of Solaris Talisman Online Tamer Saga Tank Ace Tantra Online Tatsumaki: Land at War Terra Militaris TerraWorld Online Terraria Thang Online The 4th Coming The Agency The Aurora World The Banner Saga The Black Watchmen The Chronicle The Chronicles of Spellborn The Crew The Division The Epic Might The Hammers End The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing 2 The Legend of Ares The Lost Titans The Matrix Online The Mighty Quest for Epic Loot The Missing Ink The Mummy Online The Myth of Soma The Pride of Taern The Realm Online The Repopulation The Secret World The Sims Online The Strategems The West The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt Theralon There Therian Saga Thrones of Chaos Tibia Tibia Micro Edition Tiger Knight Titan Siege Titans of Time Toontown Online Top Speed Topia Online Torchlight Torment: Tides of Numenera Total Domination Transformers Universe Transistor Transverse Traveller AR Travia Online Travian Triad Wars Trials of Ascension Tribal Hero Tribal Wars Tribes Universe Trickster Online Trove Troy Online True Fantasy Live Online Turf Battles Twelve Sky Twelve Sky 2 Twilight War Tynon U.B. Funkeys UFO Online URDEAD Online Ultima Forever: Quest for the Avatar Ultima Online Ultima X: Odyssey Ultimate Naruto Ultimate Soccer Boss Uncharted Waters Online Undercover 2: Merc Wars Underlight Unification Wars Universe Online Utopia Valkyrie Sky Vampire Lord Online Vanguard: Saga of Heroes Vanquish Space Vector City Racers Vendetta Online Victory - Age of Racing Vindictus Virtonomics Vis Gladius Visions of Zosimos VoidExpanse Voyage Century Online W.E.L.L. Online WAR (Warhammer Online) WAR2 Glory WYD Global Wakfu War Thunder War of 2012 War of Angels War of Legends War of Mercenaries War of Thrones War of the Immortals WarFlow Waren Story Warflare Wargame1942 Warhammer 40,000: Eternal Crusade Warhammer 40K: Dark Millennium Online Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes Warkeepers Warrior Epic Wartune Wasteland 2 WebLords Wild West Online WildStar Wind of Luck WindSlayer 2 Wings of Destiny Wish Wizard101 Wizardry Online Wizards and Champions Wonder King Wonderland Online World Golf Tour World of Battles World of Darkness World of Heroes World of Kung Fu World of Pirates World of Speed World of Tanks World of Tanks Generals World of Warcraft World of Warplanes World of Warriors World of Warships World of the Living Dead WorldAlpha Wurm Online Xenoblade Chronicles: X Xenocell Xiah Xsyon Xulu YS Online Yitien ZU Online Zentia Zero Online Zero Online: The Andromeda Crisis Zodiac Online Zombies Ate My Pizza eRepublik

MMORPG.com Discussion Forums

All Posts by Vendac

All Posts by Vendac

2 Pages 1 2 »
39 posts found
Originally posted by zeusypoofs

Are they going to implement any for of leaderboard or something for pvp?

i want to be known for my greatness lol.

Time will tell.  With the focus on PvP, I would think so.

Originally posted by zeusypoofs

Yea but i just love my 2v2s

Run your 2 man group in open world.  Even more fun as your not facing a static arena with only a pair of opponents.  Beating an opponent with larger numbers, as a pair, is probably one the funnest times Ive ever had in an MMO.  Of course this can swing the other way.  Your duo might get beat down by 3 or more people as well.

Originally posted by zeusypoofs
Originally posted by Vendac
Originally posted by zeusypoofs

I see your point, but why couldn't they have both. im not saying one or the other. this way woundly everyone be happy?

Why do they need to do something everyone else is doing?

Im not against battlegrounds type warfare, but it gets stale over time.  Its been done to death a million times already.

What they are doing with pvp has been done already too. i dont think a game has ever had them both together before. and one faction dominating isn't going to be that enjoyable.

The beauty of a true 3 realm system where the sides are unequal is that the overpowered side, should get teamed up on the 2 lesser sides.  A truly open world supports many styles of play as I pointed out before, providing the world is big and diverse enough.  GW2 did 3 faction, but it was poorly done.  Long waits to get in, all 3 sides were limited to approximately the same sized force, and the land mass was too small.

Battlegrounds at top level only do one thing, pull people away from open world PvP.  WoW had decent open world PvP at release, then BGs were put in, and people just ground it out there because it was easier.  Rift had the same problem.  True PvP servers, but everyone played the BGs because it was easier to grind there, and the open world areas really stunk for PvP (small, too many mobs).  And as much as I despised the WAR endgame, the BGs and open field PvP were alot of fun on the way to 40.  I hope ESO chooses open world only, and if possible, BGs for the lower level folks to have fun in. 

Originally posted by Iselin

Oh, but I did :) Albion in Guinevere mostly. From release and for 2 years after that. The best PVP I've ever played...warts and all.

BGs were a later addition once there was a large population at 50 to give the low level players somewhere to PVP without getting wiped in 3 seconds. But even those were much better than any of the standard scenario PVP as we've come to know them these days. I still cringe when I think of Hutball.

The beauty of the frontiers was that anything could be going on there at any given time: from small to huge. The most fun for me was planning and executing large relic raids with various small groups performing faints and delaying actions and solo stealthers scouting while the main group went for the relic. There was something to do for everyone. 

9 years between Alb Tristan and Mid Galahad with a little dabbling in Hib after Ywain started. ;)  Lots of wasted times, but lots of good memories and friends I still talk to, and have even met alot of them in person.

I remember playing the original BGs back then.  Good times.  The game was wicked hard.  You had to have people help you, and you had to work together to get anywhere.  No MMO has that anymore. 

 

Originally posted by zeusypoofs

i play wow, i have a 460 ilvl, which is quite bad, and partnered up with a guy with 480. we went 9-5 which is good cause people we have played against had full tyrannical which i think is 498 ilvl, so no its not all about the gear. :)

No but if the gear levels were equal, you would simply crushed them all 14-0 if you were a good enough player.

Forcing people on a gear treadmill is not a fun endgame for people that truly enjoy PvP.

Originally posted by zeusypoofs

I see your point, but why couldn't they have both. im not saying one or the other. this way woundly everyone be happy?

Why do they need to do something everyone else is doing?

Im not against battlegrounds type warfare, but it gets stale over time.  Its been done to death a million times already.

Originally posted by Iselin

Some people (raises hand) think that scenario PVP with its quick duration, small maps and instant scoreboards are boring as all hell. Been there...done that. Don't want to do that ever again.

 

The PVP in this one--where you succeed by working together in a very large group through good leadership and coordination--is the thinking man's PVP... I like it. I can do this for one hell of a lot longer than either scenario PVP or repetitive expert dungeons or raids. There are plenty of other games that cater to that. I'm very happy this one doesn't. It's a big plus as far as I'm concerned.

You should have played DAOC back in its glory days.... 

Hopefully the devs can pull some of that back into this game.  100v100v100 fights are truly epic in scale.  But DAOC also supported many other styles of play, 8 man for the heavy team guys, small group for the people just looking for a fight, solo for those that just want to lone wolf it, and battlegrounds where lower level players can just go fight each other in the same ways the top level guys did, but without the worry of being ganked by people far out of your level range.

Originally posted by ste2000

You haven't said anything that I didn't know already.

My point is that the game SHOULD have been designed as a PvE game, because the PvP will inevitably unbalance the PvE for the reason I stated in my previous post.

Also just because there is war in Tamriel that doesn't mean that automatically the game should include PvP, you can easily fight wars against NPCs..............after all you do that in the single player games.

PvP don't add anything to the game and will attract the E-gamers that inevitably will ruin the immersion and the "magic" of Tamriel.

I am convinced that this game will have a mediocre PvE, and a Mediocre PvP, like most of the MMO who share the same philosophy...................PvP and PvE don't go well together, WoW was a one off on this subject (like for everything else).

And you shouldn't be sorry for me, but with Zenimax, because they will be terribly disappointed by the poor player retention.

Because I am sure they will sell millions of copies (I will buy one regardless), but I am sure they won't retain many of those players after 1-2 months.

What a great attitude and false assumptions that you make. 

Designing yet another PvE game is not the answer.  Companies have been trying that method for years and it still has not worked.  Look at every major MMO that has been released in the last 10 years.  The have all failed to unseat WoW, which is the king of PvE.  Granted, its a very weary king, but its still the king.  Many of these so called "WoW killers" are now reduced to free to play status.

PvE is far more easy to balance than PvP ever will be.  Why?  Because PvE is a static environment.  A strategy is figured out for doing an encounter, and it remains a constant unless the devs openly change the encounter.  Its been that way for years, all the way back to Ultima Online and EverQuest.

PvP games will always be harder to balance because the player is an ever evolving entity.  When one strategy is figured out, another is devised to counter that strategy.  There is never one master strategy that tops all the others.

As far as PvP balance messing up the PvE balance, does it really matter?  You can design encounters (PvE) around players, but not the other way around.  Players will gravitate to the most effective builds and gear.  Its entirely up the devs to keep the players in check.  Everyone wants to faceroll with the easiest best build?  Good, make the encounter directly counter those builds.  Or better yet, take the old school route, where encounters are really hard, requiring 100+ players all working together to get something done.

WoW was never a good PvP game.  Its faceroll, timer dump and gear score at it finest.  A bad player in good gear could beat a good player in average gear.  At least that is the meaning Im drawing from your post.

I honestly hope they get some good player retention and can maintain a million paying subs.  If they can do that, they can do something no developer has been able to do in quite a few years.

This is a funny thread.  Guys claiming the console controls are harder.  Ive seen first hand evidence of it.  Mouse and keyboard users destroy gamepad users.  Evidence:  Friend of mine who was a CoD player on PS4.  Started out on gamepad, was OK, 2 KDR or so.  Bought a breakout box to hook up keyboard and mouse.  KDR jumped to 6.  Pretty good evidence IMO.  The crys of "hacker" and all the 12 year olds raging on voice chat were epic. 

Leave the console kiddies on their own server, please.  As much fun as it would be to destroy them over and over in PvP, its not worth the baggage it brings into the community.

I would consider a lifetime sub providing it is available after the release of the game.  I need to play it for a bit before I consider that type of investment.  Since I quit DAOC, I have not played an MMO for more than a few months.

I would have bought a lifetime for Lotro but missed out on it, doh.  And definitely would have bought lifetimes for my DAOC accounts.

Originally posted by miagisan

doesnt hamper eve at all....

Yes, but Eve is a different style of game.  A game like DAOC that relies on levels and gear, puts lower level players on a steep slope against the higher level players with no protection.  UO was open PvP as well, but no levels evened the playing field somewhat providing you had some common sense, and a little bit of gear.

Originally posted by redcapp
Anybody who actually was a part of Mordred's community will attest to the fact that it was a great server.  I'd love to see a PvP server in ESO.  In fact, it would probably ensure that I would purchase the game, whereas now I'm on the fence.

I was part of Mordreds so called "community".  Other than a few guilds that actually PvPed primarily in the Frontiers, its was nothing but a bunch of bads griefing noobs in the starter towns.

 

And I will say this.  I played UO for 6 years, from release.  I played DAOC for almost 10, from release.  UO was open PvP done correctly in spite of players doing their best trying to screw it up.  I played thru the release which was a bloodbath, the addition of Trammel and all the rest of the crap.  DAOC open PvP servers were a nightmare once players hit top level, all most scrubs wanted to do was farm the noobs because they would get slaughtered by any competent on level/geared opponent.  In Mordred defense, TOA was the death knell as gearing at the start of TOA was ridiculously hard.  TOA separated the "haves" from the "have nots" even more so.  However RvR in DAOC was the games one redeeming quality and will always be the measuring stick that other PvP MMOs are measured by.

Originally posted by ShakyMo
Wow never had "meaningful open world pvp"

Sacrilege ...   How dare you speak ill of the mighty Blizzard?

Originally posted by stragen001
OP - In answer to your unwritten question - No, you wont be able to Gank teh Newbs

So true.  About 10% of the people that want full open PvP are actually good players looking for a good fight.  The rest are just bads farming the noobs.

Please go away troll...

Camelot Unchained is in the first stage of its development, in other words, just getting going.  They actually have posted videos of of the engine that is being built in house.  They put new stuff out there daily, sometimes just Mark Jacobs running his mouth on video or in print, sometimes some art, sometimes some tech videos.

And Minecraft, yeah, not really an MMO.  There are plenty of games listed on this site that I wouldnt consider to be an MMO.  However, that is up to the admins and th eowners of this website.

Originally posted by fantasyfreak112
He already has a poor reputation among non bias, non fanboy gamers. Maybe if he made some attempt to fix WAR and save some face I would give CU the time of day but he's basically just creating another project to abandon when things go south post launch.

You ever stop to think why all of Mythics original staff bailed starting in 2006 and then then after WAR was release?

Ill give you a clue, their name has 2 vowels in it....

Originally posted by JeroKane

Sorry but MJ's reputation was already killed with Warhammer Online.

Actually Jeff Hickman ran WAR.  Get your facts straight.

Originally posted by Velocinox

You're confusing hype and reputation.

Hype is what got him to 1.3, reputation is what is keeping him from 2

What rep?  You all talk like your close personal buddies.  Alot of what keeps it from getting to 2 is people spreading FUD.

Originally posted by Saxonblade
His reputation in my eyes is not to good to begin with. I don't get all the hype around this clown, please tell me an MMO he was part of that had positive growth after 1 year. He ruined DAOC with ToA, I know I was playing at the time and WAR was a train wreck never saw a game lose subs that fast ever, although SWTOR was pretty close. 

TOA was supposed to be hard.  You either did TOA and were competitive in RvR or you went QQ and left the game.  That being said, it wasnt the right kind of Xpac for DAOC.  It was too EQish for a game that was centered around RvR.  It did however bring the rest of the community that stuck it out in a little closer because it took 200 people working together to get something done.

Originally posted by Holice

 

Back on track thou, I was actually thinking about MJ's whole method of approaching this game with kickstarter. It gave me a rather interesting thought when thinking about how he wants people to back his game based on his theories and ideas, but if he doesn't get 2mil from KS, he won't follow through with it. Basically he is telling me that he himself does not believe enough in his game to fully back it. If he thought that this game would be a great success and revolutionize the industry, then why wouldn't he just fund it fully, or drop the KS value down? If he honestly thought that people would "want" to play the game, why not just make it and then recoup your funds on the back end? Or use his 2mil of the game first to get it into proper shape for previewing it, and then do the kickstarter to finish it off after people saw all the majesty he proposes?

Again, this is just some thoughts I had when thinking about how he will not persue the game if it doesn't reach goal.

More FUD?

As you stated, Mark Jacobs is putting up $2 million of his own cash.  In addition to this, there is another $1 million he has secured elsewhere.  What I could honestly see is that if the Kickstarter is successful, he might be able to pull in another million or so from other investors.

I actually see the KS campaign as more of a proof of interest honestly.

Originally posted by olepi

I loved DAOC, started at the beginning and got several toons to 50. Also loved the RvR. ToA basically killed it for me, I don't like 8-hour controlled raids, day after day.

Making the game PvP only is like going to get a steak dinner, and being told you cannot get any sides with it. Sure, I like steak, but I'd like to have a salad, potato, and a dessert with that, along with something nice to drink.

I greatly enjoyed the PvE in DAOC, enjoyed the crafting, enjoyed creating many alts to try out all the different classes, or even alts WITHIN the same class. Matter Cabalist plays different than the Spirit Cabalist.

I wish the game and team the best of luck, but I won't contribute anything until the game is released, with good reviews.

Is there anything other than steak? 

I agree with you for the most part other than TOA.  It was just another challenge to overcome.  You said you liked the PvE, well thats all TOA was.  The crafting system is still the best I have seen, and is still relevent to this day in DAOC in spite of all the new fancy equipment that was releaed over the years.

And for the Cabbie, tri-spec for PvP was pure win  :)

 

Bah all the dirty zerging Albs...

I played Alb for 6 years.  I honestly had more fun in Mid in the last 2-3 years I played than I ever had in Alb.

 

Mid4Life

Originally posted by MikeJezZ

I understand your concerns. However, I think you did forget about how cool PvP can be.

I describe myself as a die hard PvP fan. I hate PvE in MMOs in general. I always rushed when playing WoW and a new expansion released, to max level just for being able to PvP. I'm sick of boring quests, dungeons and raids. Fighting the same big ass mob every week is just not my cup of tea.

Guild Wars 2. I was so hyped on this title. It landed, got blasted away with the graphics. The graphics in this game was awesome. Sadly, it was the only awesome about it. GW2 lacked feeling of progression, and nothing really feels important in the game, besides just keyboard smashing.

I know I ofended some GW2 fans there, but really - there is no progress or anything in GW2.

Try some fun PvP games, I'm sure it will change your mind. Sadly there's not alot of them around, because people want PvE for some reason.

I loved Warhammer Online RvR for an example, but GW2 RvR feels so meaningless compared to Warhammer Online, and that is what makes it count. To have a meaning.

In War Online, you gain PvP rank and will be able to get better gear. In GW2 you just.... Kill or get killed.

Originally posted by Wylf
In the End you may be right. On the other hand, it seems that at some point in time in every MMO that I have played the PvP crowd starts to complain about the lack of variety and a lack of a world PvP server.  The latest is Rift, their forums are full of complaints. Though there is one server that is dedicated to PvP it apparently is not good enough.   I do not begrudge those who want to play PvP their fun.  So I am hoping that CU works and gives the PvP fans a place to go.

Well, played Rift since launch. Rift is not really a PvP game.

It is a PvE game with PvP as a niche, just like World of Warcraft.

I yellowed the text of the important statements in this quote.

I played GW2.  Fun game, but very shallow at the end.  The PvP in it is simply OK, but has no real consequences or rewards to hold peoples attention.  I also got tired of wanting to PvP with friends but having to wait 2 hours in Q to get in was BS.  They also artificially limited the amount of people in the PvP area which makes no sense in a 3 sided fight.   

I also played Rift and on a PvP server at that.  Not a bad game, but it is a WoW clone.  It had a chance to be very cool but design decisions like very cramped open world areas and some horrible immunity timer issues ruined it from a PvP standpoint

Originally posted by Scalpless


Originally posted by MikeJezZ

I know I ofended some GW2 fans there, but really - there is no progress or anything in GW2.

Yeah, that sucks for some people. I guess it's a good thing the lack of vertical progression was one of the most marketed features of GW2, so the ones who bought it despite frequenting sites like this can only blame themselves and their lack of reading comprehension.

You hit it on the head.  The cool thing about GW2 was the lack of vertical progression.  However the complete lack of horizontal progression at end game is what killed it for me and my entire guild.

Originally posted by KaiserPhoenix

the game is also not competing with just current mmos, but with the ones coming out in the next 3+ years.

Chances are, that the game's niche might be even smaller then, since many pvpers will be spread over multiple AAA games .

Very unlikely.  Most PvPers do NOT want to do PvE.  Why do you think games like LoL are so popular?  If you bring players together in a static environment and actually give them something to fight for you will pull those people that are all about PvP in.

Originally posted by Tuktz

There are dozens of triple A big funded themepark mmo's to choose from. To say you won't fund or play this because they didn't follow their same model seems a little strange to me.

You talk about being sick of those games, but don't want to support one trying to do something more freeform and different, but then say it's because it's missing what those ones your sick of don't have?

Just confusing logic to me.

There are a TON like that out there to choose from, but NOTHING like CU is going to be like.

I wish these forums had a +/- 1 system in place.  QFT.

Originally posted by DeviDemon

I doubt many people will be playing Wildstar in 1 year much less in 2-3 years.

As do I.  Another +1

 

The ammount of FUD and misinformation for CU is pretty unbelievable.  People dont want to put money down.  Then dont.  But dont sit there and piss and moan when nothing ever changes in the MMO genre because people dont have the sack to drop a few bucks on what could be a potentially a big game changer.

2 Pages 1 2 »