All Posts by eccoton

To the OP after reading your post I have to say you take all this way to seriously. I think you are right you do need to leave. You are looking for truth and civiltiy in a open public game forum? These forums are here not for truth but for entertainment.

So many talk about the golden years when mmos were great. Well I got news for you mmos are the best they have ever been. We have more choices then ever. The budgets are larger then ever for game developers. With larger quantity you do get more bad product, bad discussion, and yes bad players. You say 5 years in mmos and 2 years here like that is a longtime and deserves some kind of special treatment. Well it doesn't. I been in mmos for 10 years and been enjoying the forums at mmorpg.com for over 3 years. I think mmorpg.com is getting better and more entertaining as the games themselves are as time goes by. Get out of the stoneage of mmos and wipe the fog off your eyes and see that mmos are better, stronger, and getting better everyday.

Got an idea maybe you need to go back to single player games. From the sound of your post I get the impression you may feel this way about life and the world in general not just mmos. I got news for you the world is great, life is good and mmos are better then ever.

Originally posted by NFRS_Admin

LMAO! The "KOTOR MMO" hasnt even been OFFICIALY confirmed, so there is absolutely NO information on how its skill system or any other part of the game will work.

It has been officialy confirmed.

Originally posted by zaxxon23

My biggest pet peeve is people who have retarded pet peeves, sort of like the OP.  Don't get me wrong.  Leet speak is retarded and grown people who talk like that should be ashamed of themselves for both acting like an idiot as well as polluting the gene pool.  But to quit a game because of them?  Well, that's a whole new level of retardedness.

Other pet peeves:

People who whine about RMT and create ignorant opinions of why it is bad for the game economy.  You people don't know squat about economics and I lose IQ every time I see you bitch and moan.  Not to mention that you worry so much about things that have zero effect on you that I want to strangle babies.

People who think raiding is the be all end all of mmos.  If the box on your head that you can't think out of was any smaller you'd be dead.

Ninjas, dupers, and true cheaters.

Why so much anger? This was a fun thread light hearted not a serious topic. You might need a hug. Maybe go out and buy a kitty cat or a bunny.

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by deedelechach

 

Girls have it worse! Ok well, that's not true for the girls with toon names like "KittyKatGirlxxx"... but for us dignified girls, who DON'T ask for help while mentioning that we also have boobs, it can be difficult. I was in vent once when an officer in my guild accidently miss told guild chat, "Well yea she sounds hot but she probably looks like a troll in real life."    >.<

 

Although my biggest pet peeve is people who fight about shit where everything can read it. If someone stole your kill, please bad talk his mother in whispers because I really doubt anyone else cares. I also hate people that whine!

 

I agree we get it alot worse and even worse than that people never believe you when you tell them you are a real girl  born that way and everything, yes our round things are higher.  It is beyond their small minds to think that yes hot chics can like games too. LOL

You would think the girl starved gamers would know better. One person comes to mind Morgan Webb.

Now if I could find a gamer - girl, chic, woman, lady, gal, broad, bird, shorty, (I think I will always prefer "gamer-chic" for female gamers) that is over 40 I would be one satisfied customer.

Well, back on topic. The one that always gets me is "kk". Everytime I see that in chat I hear the whiny effeminate voice of somekind of hobbit like dandy that smells of cabbage saying it. That really drives me nutz.

Originally posted by deviliscious

Um yes it was a copy and paste  and the link for it is there.. since I did not copy and paste the entire page. I only had  the definition and history to let the guy have a better understanding since he asked. And yes i use red and love it, and your problem is what?  blah get your undies out of a wad .. they have color choices for a reason. This is my color choice. Deal with it.

Lol, deviliscious people will always find something to complain about. You red text of choice is OK (KK) by me.

Originally posted by deviliscious

I do not mind 1337 though I do not usually speak it.  I am more offended by stereotypical behavior, such as assuming that people who play games have no life,  or that you cannot be athletic and play games, or people who walk around insulting people for no apparent reason.  Now that is annoying.

Agree, I get stereotyped as a gamer who plays WoW. Either I am a kid with no education or I am a fat 30 year old living in my parents basement. Funny most people who think that I could probably rip their heads off. I am 49 years old 225 lbs and less then 10% body fat. I lift weights daily and am a college professor. I also own 2 homes so I do not live in my parents basement. I may not be your typical hardcore gamer but I am not a stereotype and I think there are a lot more gamers out there like me then people think. The educated athletic are also gamers.

Originally posted by Lydon

Originally posted by JustBe

The problem I have with the game is it tries to be tooo true to the lore and it's fact that the books wern't written for a mmorpg in mind so some things don't work. One thing I wish'd they'd done is have 2 factions like WOW where you could playg ood or bad and have world PVP, instead of all this monster play crap and it would mean more races and more fun classes. Also the character models are very ugly and run all weird with bad animations.

 

You're totally missing the point. LotRO is not meant to be like other games out there in that regard. It's supposed to stay true to the lore, hence it being called what it is. I think it managed to do what it does pretty fine actually.

Lydon how would justbe's comment about 2 factions be against the lore? They allow you to play as monsters as it is. Why not treat them like the other races in game and let you start them at level 1 and level them up. They have there own areas in the books. So why not have a "evil" starting area. A form of world pvp would be great. The bad guys roamed all over the world in the books so why not allow some sort of way to do that in game. Turbine has already taken great liberties with the lore.

LOTRO is a great game but needs to rethink pvp and inspite of the fact they have been adding things to game they need to add much much more soon to keep players. With WAR, Chronicles of Spellbourne and a slew of other titles coming out in the next year Turbine will need to work hard and rethink a number of game play issues to keep a good sized player base. Keeping to the lore is important. However many things in game already are not exactly by the books. So as long as they keep to the spirit of the books they could alter the lore a bit to make the game more fun to play and keep players for years.

Originally posted by Elsabolts

Ok ive seen a couple of refrences that law-suits have been brought against Funcom for what was promised and what came out and was stated on there boxes. Any lawyers out there wanna give there opion.

I am really sick of the "let's sue them" mentality. Soe, Funcom, Turbine, Blizzard, I have seen these sue them threads for all these companies. When you buy an mmo at release you take a risk. Any veteran mmo player knows this. So instead of being an impatient child why not just wait a few weeks and do your research before you buy. If people wait a few weeks they will get the scoop on an mmo by it's players. However I realize a few players or so void of real life activities they have to be the first with that epic gear to prove their worth in the world. So waiting a few weeks would be total agony for them. That is the problem, not a game living up to hype or your own narrow expectations. This is not directed at the OP but at players in general who have this mentality.

We are in a time when people especially americans refuse to take responsibility for their own decisions. We have a crumbling economy. Gas prices going off the chart. A war that is bankrupting the country. A mortgage crisis that is destroying our economy and ruining the lives of many people. Yet people are concerned if they can sue Funcom or SOE over a game. Get a grip people. Games often do not live up to their hype or expectations. Hardly a reason to worry about if you can sue them or not. Just another example of the infantizing of America.

Originally posted by tikovoo

Could be looked at in a different way.

hypotheses have been put forward that state that Van Gough had bi-polar disorder as well as Ménière's disease which means basically a disorder affecting balance. Thats something pretty relevant to war... balance. Best get some battle rank going on and step over the line for insta buff.

On the other hand, Van Gough painted some of the most beautiful painting the world has ever known, (mythic making war look good) but he also went crazy in the process, (P.Barnett)  cutting off his ear  (EA to Mythic referance) and eventually shot himself. (M. Jacobs when EA takes control over war's popularity 1 year after release changing the game completly)

Nice work you get an "A" for today.

Well thanks for the post it made me laugh. Not sure I agree with the metaphor. I find it amusing since I am a college art professor. One of the classes I teach is art appreciation and today my lecture was on Van Gogh.

Originally posted by Bronks

Originally posted by eccoton

A generation gap? Are you refering to me? You suggesting I do not understand the meaning of hate because I am a younger generation then you? I am probably a lot older then you. I am not saying that to put you down just stating a likely fact. I am sure I am in the older group of people who post here. If you are 50+ then i retract my I am older statement and welcome you to the ranks of mature gamers.

How is it then, that hate was an ill-used word in previous decades but is thrown around so casually now? There is some kind of gap occurring to allow the sins of the past for which a word like hate was more commonly used to be used in general every day speech.

As far as how people were hurt by SOE (i would venture to guess 90% of the "haters" as you call them are SWG vets). If you do not understand that then you miss what mmos are for a lot of the players. The same way SOE missed it. They are more then a game for many. To you they are games so it is easy to dismiss them and the emotional impact they have on some players. No everyone is as strong minded as you seem to be.

Again, I understand emotion and I am a SWG Vet. I was hurt by their decisions too, but to say I would physically cause harm to those who made those decisions as the poster above states is clearly an unstable comment to make. It would take an awful big event in my life to make me want to harm someone else and knowingly accept a jail sentence for what, $360 (or so) worth of monthly subscription fees maximum? Do you not find violence an extreme? JAIL TIME FOR $360!??! That poster above is blowing smoke out his virtual ass and looks stupid for doing so, and you look as bad for agreeing with him.

Give me a break about using the term "work" you knew exactly what I meant by "work". Your insulting comment about needing to unplugg because I used the term "work" is a veiled insult and you know it.

I am sorry you take offence, however apparently I touched on a sensitive subject for you...

 

As far as you going back over and over again to the word "hate" you are using that to defend a weak point. If someone disagrees you question their understanding of the world hate. In the gaming world game "haters" and using "hate" as a term does not mean "hate" in the way you want it to. It is a common way to discribe players who voice their anger about a game and a company. So in this context you seem to be the one who does not know what "hate" means.

Let me clarify.. everyone hear is allowed an opinion and I respect that. You should all do the same... My opinion is that the word hate is used too liberally, both on these forums and in the real world, and that is the purpose of this post.

 

You started a post that is mean spirited and was not asking for true information. You were actually subtly putting down people who feel hate, dislike, anger, etc, etc, etc for SOE. However you make it clear you are more level head because you still play games by SOE. I do not play them anymore because they are a buisness that to me failed at customer respect and game managment. So I felt it was time to stop giving them money. Even if I loved one of their games and I loved EQ2.

You think the point of this is to let you know that I am more level-headed? The point was to determine if people truly hate or if they use it in (my opinion) an incorrect context. Good for you for making the only real decision you can and cancelling your subscription... I don't see you hatemongering in every SOE fanboy post so I have no issue with you... you are not a hate monger.

 

If you truely are connecting the emotions of "hating" a game company to say Rwanda, kkk, and nazi then your post is totally pointless. Why would any one connect those things to hating a game company. In all the "hate" posts about SOE I never made those connections.  If you were as I "thought" looking for reasons why so many do not like (hate) SOE or play their game then we explained it. Oh, but you dismissed it since we do not understand the word "hate".

I am connecting the word hate with my definition of it. I don't care if people don't like SOE just like WoW players don't care that I don't like Blizzard... I just wanted to know if hate was the most appropriate term to use.

 

You start this thread in reguards to SOE. I thought that was your main interest. However as the thread goes on you say it is really about the word hate and it's use. So I guess if that is really what you wanted to talk about then I wonder why even start a thread here at mmorpg? Why not take it to some english and it's use forums? Seems you are more intrested in semantics. However I am here to talk about MMOs. Good luck in your search for the devine truth to the word "Hate" in relationship to SOE.

Oh, by the way you did not touch any nerve at all. I was just pointing out to those that may have missed it your responses are filled with little jabs.

Originally posted by Evilsam

Originally posted by donjn

People throw around the word "hate" too much these days.

In the literal sense, no one here truely "hates" SOE.  If they say they do, they are wrong.

You haven't a clue..that is quite aparent..

I hate ,if not all SOE.at the very least several people in it.I dispise,detest,loath and would do them harm if ever we were to meet,knowing that i would go to jail for it,So yes..I HATE them.

 They took money from me with no intent on liviing up to the offer they made to get said money.And no, I didn't get a refund,because i bought my copy of an expantion in a real store instead of an on-line pre-order.they removed over 4000+ hours of time i had invested in my char's in SWG.Yes..I hate them..They said it was my fault for not likeing the changes..I hate them.They lied,cheated and otherwise took advantage of me and several thousands of  other people..I and a lot of them truely hate people at SOE.And hell no..I won't get over it.Ever.

Good for you! You are right to hate them! The OP will try to point out how crazy you are to hate them. I understand totally. I don't hate SOE since they are not worth putting that much emotion into but I clearly understand how you feel and you have a good reason to feel that way.

Originally posted by Bronks

Originally posted by eccoton

You simply do not get it. You proudly say you will keep playing eq2 and vanguard. You were not a pre-nge swg vet.Check some of my followup posts... I was in SWG at launch till NGE.

What if one day your characters in EQ2 were simply removed from the game? I would hit cancel... but I still got my money's worth from the game during that time, and made friendships in-game that carried with me through other games. My original SWG guild all joined WoW together and we still play together in most games now.

What if your nearly 3 years of work and trust you put into the company had been ripped away? Game play is not work unless you are farming gold to sell for real money. If you consider playing games work then you need to unplug.

It is that simple. Your post has a tone of a holyer then though attitude. I am not a SOE hater. I just recently cancelled eq2 after 4 years and I was a dedicted SWG player who all 3 mains were made useless after almost 3 years of work yet I still played EQ2. I do not hate SOE but I do understand why people do. SOE affected a lot of people with SWG and you should support them not put them down. Again, I understand anger and dissatisfaction... it is the HATE that I don't agree with.

You ask what makes so many haters. I ask you what makes you have so little compassion for those who were truely hurt by SOE by nge. And again from my original post, how did the game TRULY hurt you? Physically? Emotionally? I understand the emotional aspect because SWG pretty much ruined my enjoyment of the star wars universe, but I still don't HATE the company. In the words of Donald Trump, "It's just business."

What makes your post so thoughtless and ignorant of what SOE did to many players. You simply do not get it. The hate for SOE by many is justified. I still stand firm in stating that hate is a word thrown around too casually. I accept distrust, disgruntled, disenfranchised, hurt, upset, angry, and a slew of other words used to describe emotions, but I still draw the line at hate.
 

Is there a generation gap? Should I blame the media for making this generation forget what hate really is? Rodney King, KKK, Genocide, Nazis, Rwanda... this is hate. I am trying to draw a line between absolute emotion (like hate) and general displeasure in it's varying forms...

 

 

A generation gap? Are you refering to me? You suggesting I do not understand the meaning of hate because I am a younger generation then you? I am probably a lot older then you. I am not saying that to put you down just stating a likely fact. I am sure I am in the older group of people who post here. If you are 50+ then i retract my I am older statement and welcome you to the ranks of mature gamers.

As far as how people were hurt by SOE (i would venture to guess 90% of the "haters" as you call them are SWG vets). If you do not understand that then you miss what mmos are for a lot of the players. The same way SOE missed it. They are more then a game for many. To you they are games so it is easy to dismiss them and the emotional impact they have on some players. No everyone is as strong minded as you seem to be.

Give me a break about using the term "work" you knew exactly what I meant by "work". Your insulting comment about needing to unplugg because I used the term "work" is a veiled insult and you know it.

As far as you going back over and over again to the word "hate" you are using that to defend a weak point. If someone disagrees you question their understanding of the world hate. In the gaming world game "haters" and using "hate" as a term does not mean "hate" in the way you want it to. It is a common way to discribe players who voice their anger about a game and a company. So in this context you seem to be the one who does not know what "hate" means.

You started a post that is mean spirited and was not asking for true information. You were actually subtly putting down people who feel hate, dislike, anger, etc, etc, etc for SOE. However you make it clear you are more level head because you still play games by SOE. I do not play them anymore because they are a buisness that to me failed at customer respect and game managment. So I felt it was time to stop giving them money. Even if I loved one of their games and I loved EQ2.

If you truely are connecting the emotions of "hating" a game company to say Rwanda, kkk, and nazi then your post is totally pointless. Why would any one connect those things to hating a game company. In all the "hate" posts about SOE I never made those connections.  If you were as I "thought" looking for reasons why so many do not like (hate) SOE or play their game then we explained it. Oh, but you dismissed it since we do not understand the word "hate".

Originally posted by Bronks

<Disclaimer>

I am not a Sony employee, I am not related to anyone at Sony and I do not own shares with Sony.

 

 

I am truly entertained every time I read a thread where someone hates everything Sony stands for. Whether a player can never forgive Sony for what happened to SWG, or a player cannot forget what Smedley has to say about issue X, players that dislike Sony REALLY dislike Sony.

 

Tell me why.

 

Please enlighten me as to what Sony did to you personally to make you hate them. Did Sony make you so addicted to Everquest back in the day that you lost your job or your spouse? (Because I'd understand that)

Did your Sony PS3 start a fire and burn your uninsured house down? (Because I'd understand that)

Were you a doctor in SWG who sold buffs for credits that you sold for real world money so you could pay back the mafia when the NGE came about and the mafia broke both your legs as a result? (Because again, I would understand that)

 

I don't understand how someone can HATE a company. Lets think about this for a second...

 

Hate is a strong word.

I hate the bastard that poisoned my dog with anti-freeze when I was a kid.

I hate the asshole that was drinking and driving and hit my kid brother while he was biking home (he's fine now).

I hate the people that believe they are better than someone else because of background, race, color. etc.

 

I don't however, hate my former employer that fired me after my wife gave birth to our second child. I turned my life around and started a successful business that gives me tons of free time so being fired was about the best thing to happen to me.

I don't hate Sony for ruining SWG... it's probably because I unplugged from the game that I met my wife in the first place.

I don't hate Sony for anything they have done.

 

They made decisions just like you and I make every single day. The only thing is, their decisions affect a whole lot more people than my (or your) decision on what to make for supper. Even their large-scale decision to change SWG (for example)... how could this have possibly negatively affected your lives? I would understand if you were mad because the CU/NGE caused countless devs and support staff to loose their jobs, but that is not what I read in the "Hate SOE" posts.

You hate-filled players have so much energy available to you that you can afford to spare some on hating a game company? SERIOUSLY?!? Do you go to bed hating SOE and wake up hating SOE and dreaming about destroying SOE in-between? There is nothing better going on in your life that you can focus some of that energy towards? How about getting a girlfriend or buying a pet or having kids? There must be something that your powers of negativity can be used towards to increase your personal joy.

 

If not, I truly feel sorry for you. Keep hating a company. I'll keep enjoying my Vanguard and EQ2...

Maybe you can get some of the hatred out by discussing here. I would really love to know what Sony did to affect your life in such a way that you have to hate a company and everything they will do in the future.

 

You simply do not get it. You proudly say you will keep playing eq2 and vanguard. You were not a pre-nge swg vet. What if one day your characters in EQ2 were simply removed from the game? What if your nearly 3 years of work and trust you put into the company had been ripped away? It is that simple. Your post has a tone of a holyer then though attitude. I am not a SOE hater. I just recently cancelled eq2 after 4 years and I was a dedicted SWG player who all 3 mains were made useless after almost 3 years of work yet I still played EQ2. I do not hate SOE but I do understand why people do. SOE affected a lot of people with SWG and you should support them not put them down. You ask what makes so many haters. I ask you what makes you have so little compassion for those who were truely hurt by SOE by nge. What makes your post so thoughtless and ignorant of what SOE did to many players. You simply do not get it. The hate for SOE by many is justified.
 

Originally posted by huxflux2004

WoW had 1.5 millions 4 months after relase. AoC already has 700k after 1 month. Impressive! I did not expect to see a WoW killer that soon!

 

Great work FC!

HaHaHaHaHaHaHa..........HaHaHaHaHaHa...........(oh man I am laughing so hard my stomach hurts)! Someone is out of their damn mind!

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by severius

 

That would be kind of hard I think but I will give it a try.

1. Gameplay suitable for all player types:  Socializer, Killer, explorer, achiever, etc etc etc.
2. Loosely defined classes- Allow the players to make their own classes from an available pool of skillsets.
3. Wide open game world.  No restrictions on where you travel sure players may get wtfpwnt by some snarling nasty beastie but thats part of exploration.
4. tools to allow the community to run events from tournaments to weddings
5. 100% player run economy.  The best items are made by in game crafters, who either get the resources themselves or contract out to killers/explorers.
6. Player cities, player housing buildable mostly anywhere that terrain and distance from npc centers allow.  There must be a cap however on the number of structures an account holder can have otherwise you have areas suffering from urban sprawl (Dantooine in SWG is a good example of this)
7. Less of the directed go here do this then go to the next place and talk to so-n-so for more tasks to do.  Let the players decide for themselves.
8. Dynamic servers - where the players actually have an effect on how the game plays out for everyone.  Not talking spawn camping but, have the game dynamically change to adjust for the playstyles of the gamers in aggregate.  SWG had come close to this with the npc towns shifting factions depending on the number of "points" earned by the players.  Also, the cries of alderaan story arc did this very well also.
9. Plenty of live events hosted by the devs, please refer to the above cries of alderaan reference.
10. A gameworld where the most important story being told is that of the player, not of the npcs.

So by this definition WOW/TBC  is a complete sandboxed game and a very good one at that !
 

1. Professions,enchanters, gatherers, healers, warriors, twinks, vendors, manipulating of the auction houses.

2.With my lvl 70 paladin I can take the role of a pure tank, a pure healer, a pure fighting machine with the cost of 50 Gold (meaning doing 4 quests or sell some selfmade stuff on the auction house). Respeccing is a breeze these days in Wow. Respeccing every day.

3.Wide open? How about a personal flying mount you can fly ANYWHERE and land anywhere in TBC/Outland without ever seeing a loading screen on that land. And at night you go to an opera to watch the lastest shows ... :)

4. In fact last week I assisted in a wedding in our guild. In fact there was some organisation required as there were another couple at the Cathedral of Light that very same night. Everyone was wearing a tox and afterwards we had a party in Goldshire.

My picnic basket (changing world envirmont???) was a success together with the BBQ and drinks we brought along.

5. Economy? The best Wow crafted items these days in TBC are always on par with the general dungeons progress on the servers. Today blacksmiths craft the gear that suits 95% of all people (only the top 2 gears are reserved for raids in BT.Sun and or super PvP champs with 2200 + ratings).

6.Not in the game at the moment but WotLK will have full construcatbel siege systems in open zones.

7. End game is completely free. No lineair design whatsoever, not even the end levels from 60 to 70. You can choose what you want at 70. In fact from Nov till Mar I only did BG's and my professions just to have a nice PvP title of Justicar.

8. Already present in two forms in Wow (one scripted and one dependant of world PvP. Will get a big extension in WotLK BTW, where the possesion and destructions off Keeps will influence the world.

9. Live events:?TOO numerous to even sum them up. Both from the designers as from the players themselves.

10.Of course MY paladin has its own story HOW I downed mobs and players in thousands of fights or crafting hours to have HUGE profits on the AH.

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So 9/10 is not bad for WOW as a complete sandbox game in YOUR defintion, isn't it.

Of course if you only played Wow/TBC as a leveling experience to level to 46, you have no clue do you ? Or even worse if you never played Wow's end game after patch 2.3 you don't know what I am talking about.

 

I agree WoW sure COULD be a sandbox MMO, I love WoW one of 7 mmos I love/loved (Ryzom, pre-nge SWG, LoTRO, EQ2, DaoC, EVE and WoW). All of these have elements of good sandbox play. If WoW added a couple things to the list you mentioned it would be an awesome sandbox mmo.

HOUSING! can not say it loud enough. To be a good sandbox the players need to have a feeling of ownership in the game and player housing is the best way to do that. If WoW had fun player housing I would play that game til they put the lights out. I hate the feeling of living on the streets. Then you add collectibles that you find and loot to get special items for your house ie: SWG, EQ2. Placing the houses in the game world would be nice but bare minimum instance housing. Then allow people to craft cool items for the houses to. Housing also needs to include player towns and guild housing.

Lots and lots of mount choices! People define their toons often by their mounts and you need to give them lots of different choices. Then a way t