Originally posted by Roin 

Eccoton why are you even replying to this guy? I've read quite a few of your post in the time I spent here.  You are better then that.  Don't play his game, just ignore him.  Remember the saying. "It is pointless to argue with an idiot.  He'll just drag you down to his level, and beat you with experience."

I my years here sometime I forget. Thank you for reminding me.
 

Originally posted by Scottc
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Oh you are good. Got me with that one. Genius!

Originally posted by Scottc

I feel a bit bad for you if you find the journey of WoW to be fun.  I've played games in the past with much more variety, many more choices, an epic story unfolding actively in the game world that involved the players in it.  If you like the journey why are you playing WoW?  Might as well play a singleplayer game.

Oh thank you so much Scottc your concern for me is so nice. So what games are in your vast range of experience? I have no real experience in mmos so maybe you can help me find a good game. We all know I play WOW. I guess being in mmos since 1996 with Meridain 59 is not really experience either is playing, Ultima, Eve, SWG, WAR, Saga of Ryzom, EQ2, Lineage II, Simsonline, WW II, Aion, Asheron's Call, Asheron's Call 2, Second Life, Entrpia Universe, ROSE, Guild Wars, Free Realms, Silkroads, CoH/CoV, Champions Online, DAOC, D&D Online, Perfect World, LOTRO,  and a few more. You know what? I actually liked most of them. I am sure many on this listen will make you feel bad for me to. Maybe you could name that great epic game you play? Oh Aheron's call, Ultima, Meridian 59. Played them all good games just like WOW is a good game. Do you actually play anything now or just talk about them like some expert?

You see Scottc I actually play and follow mmos not come here and spout crap about things I really know nothing about. I am so deluded that I do not really realize I like WOW. So your feeling bad for me is so wonderful. Actually Scottc I could give a crap about what you feel about my playing WOW.  To answer your question I play WOW because I like it.

Originally posted by Scottc

Originally posted by tro44_1

Who gives a Shit what He/She thinks? That person sounds just like the many WoW haters on this site. They can never see past the hatred. To blinded by Anit-Fanboyism, to ever see the good things about WoW.

Jonathan Blow is the independent game developer who created the game Braid which is an amazing game and has sold many copies.  He's exactly the kind of person people should listen to when he speaks.

 

We should listen when he speaks? I have played Braid it is ok. In my opinion far from amazing very far. I would not put it like tro44_1 did but I agree who cares what this guy thinks. Blow and you scottc miss the whole point of WOW and persistant world mmos. Most people playing WOW miss the point as well.
 

Blow is so far off base and does not understand mmos. Just because he made a nice little game means nothing to me as an mmo player. You see you and Blow play WOW like Braid a game that you think you need to win. You play WOW like a console side scroller. I could careless about rewards in mmos. Sure I work for some cool stuff in WOW. However the enjoyment is in being in the living dynamic 3 dimentional world. The joy is in exploring and reading the lore and being part of it. You see I have just as much fun in WOW with my level 4 warrior with nothing for rewards as I do with me level 80 hunter with great gear, mounts, and pets.

I do not rush to end game, could careless. It is all about the journey and WOW offers a fun journey. I am an older gamer and love the amazing worlds these mmos developers create for me to explore. We need more older developers creating mmos. Younger gamers are to reward based. To many of them play WOW as a game only and never allow thenselves to be drawn into the world. For many it is just a game. They do not use their imaginations they play a game. A good mmo is so much more then that and WOW is so much more then Blow understands.  Stop playing WOW as a game but try playing it as a fantasy world simulator then you might really find why WOW and other good mmos are so much more then a game to win rewards.

To bad the clip is short. I like what I heard but would like to hear more. I thought Sam Raimi was a great choice for the movie. I am as big of a movie fan/collector as I am an mmo player. I for one can not wait for this movie.

Yunbei, Your post is ridiculous and your claims I can show you any spot in LOTRO that is 10 times better then Aion means squat. I play both. My first reaction to Aion was, to bad LOTRO does not have a graphic styling and look like Aion. Turbine totally dropped the ball with LOTRO not with landscaped but with characters and all game creatures and npcs. LOTRO has some of the ugliest character in any top mmo. Aion is a much better looking game over all. Sure you might get move swaying grass in LOTRO but Aion is way more interesting to look at and is way more alive. There is so much movement all over the place the world is simply more alive. Unlike a few here I do not think you are a troll you just need to see Aion with better eyes. LOTRO is a great game but as far as the over all graphic appeal Aion wins that battle.

Originally posted by Malakhon

 

Its the kind of risk they took with WOW. Wow is very cartoony as opposed to the direction EQ II was taking with a more photo-realistic angle. The art-style of WOW grows on you so much that you almost forget that it is cartoony and it becomes Organic.

I think your eye/mind starts to process it as 'normal' because everything you see seems to 'fit together'. I don't really feel I can explain it very well, but when you are out on the plains of the barrens and lions jump out and chase down a gazzelle, I know that it didn't seem "like a game" as much as it could have.

I get that same think after a full weekend of playing CO. The Art style grows on you. If you aren't a troll, give it more time.

You explain it well. It is about consistancy of art style. WoW seems more alive then EQ2 because the whole world is consistant. Even though WoW is cartoony it feels more alive and real then most mmos out that are trying to be more realistic. I have the same feeling about CO as you do.

Originally posted by Schnizit

The character creation system is great and lots to fun. Creating your character is more enjoyable than actually playing the character.

Your character looks good when you create it but once you start playing the graphics change to a comic style with black outlines. This art-style is awful. When you zoom out your character looks like it's blurry. It was so horrible I actually canceled my subscription.

Guess I'll have to play Warhammer while I wait for Aion to be released.

Seriously. Horrible gfx...

 

Yea these graphics suck!

OP you do know you can adjust the graphics? Blurry? Maybe you need glasses. CO is one of the best looking games out at the moment.

Originally posted by Necrosaro420

I was waiting for AION, but after playing in the betas, it just wasnt for me.  Anyone know what the next big MMO is supose to be?  I dont like sci-fi etc, I prefer more fantasy kinda like EQ/War/WoW/AoC etc.  Thanks!

Oh god here we go again. This is the problem with not only current generation of mmo players but also the threads here at mmorpg. I use to post here a lot almost everyday. Lately I do not post to often since all I see here is game/company haters and this idea that there are no good mmos and that we have to wait for the next big thing.

I have been active in mmos since 1996 with Meridian 59. I can tell you this, there have never been so many choices and great mmos to choose from. The OP names 4 good mmos. Why not play one of them fully? Has the attention span of the mmo players dropped to about 30 seconds? I prefered the days when the players fully explored an mmo. It seems players today need the "next big thing" and never really experience what is possible in an mmo. This hurts all of the players especially the loyal ones who want to experience all an mmo offers. If all you are doing is waiting for the next big mmo it might be time to leave this genre and go back to single player games that last a month.

One thing that would help this is no open betas. Make a beta test what it really is a test to improve the game not a marketing tool. It is time companies trust their ideas and creativity and not change everything based on players early reactions. To many companies and players are looking for the next WOW. This stifles creativity and originality.  Keep waitng for the next big thing but until you start supporting the good games that are out and really learning how to play them, you will keep getting cloned crap, unfinished games, and good games closing their doors. Good luck OP you will never find the next big mmo because when you do you will just leave for the next next big thing.

To the OP. First I am not trying to be a dick but no one cares if you come back. You know enough about the game to make your own mind up. Second, you are in college. What the hell are you doing playing WoW in your dorm room. You do know there are girls on campus? I am actually a college professor so I know a lot about campus life for being an old guy. Between your studies and hopefully having a fun social life (you will never have so many people your age together in one place again.) you should have plenty to do and no time for WoW. Jeez youth is wasted on the young.

Yea I just saw that sorry.

I just got an e-mail today from Bioware for a 25% off digital download of TOR with a code and link to download. Has there been any release date or solid information on a possilbe release date yet? I was suprised to get this e-mail today. I figured we had a pretty long wait for TOR. Seems it would not be to smart to offer this if we still had a longtime to wait.

Originally posted by tuscarora

Don't be fooled by the high score on this site... this game is crap.

It is a poor implementation of the Champions PnP.  In fact, it is not really an implementation at all.  This game is not ground breaking nor an improvement on earlier games.  It was thrown together by a studio who had to do something with a product Marvel dropped.  The gameplay is simplistic and gets boring real fast.  I would ask for a refund if I thought I could get one.

What a waste of time this was. 
 

 

Don't be fooled by this post,,,,, this post is crap.
 

You post that you are a 20 year veteran of Champions PnP so that makes you some kind of mmo expert. Horse droppings. Who cares? Your 20 years of playing a PNP game makes your opinion even more worthless in regards to the mmo Champions Online. Sorry but 20 years playing one PnP game is a waste of time, just like you say CO is. That is my opinion just like this worthless post is your opinion.

CO is a well polished fun game. I could give a crap if it is not like the PnP game, never played and never will. I play mmos not PnP and CO is fun. Cryptic has proven they will improve this game with time. What has Cryptic's making CO have to do with Marvel? I do not even believe you have played the game. If you have you would know it is hardly thrown together. No need to respond, I know my post is sarcastic it is meant to be since you hold yourself up as some kind of expert. I could careless about your feeling about CO. You hold up your 20 years in PnP as if you are somehow more informed then all the people who like CO. Oh and you being a software engineer means exactly squat, who cares. Take your 9 post somewhere else and leave mmorpg for those that play mmo not PnP. I am simply tired of the uneducated crap people post about games I doubt they have played. To those thinking about CO this guy has no clue. Try it is is a good game.

I am still loving this game. Some pretty cool looking heroes posted here. It would be cool if other mmos even in the fantasy arena would have better character creation options. CO, COH/COV have proven you can do it. Could you imagine how cool WoW would be with character customization even half of what CO offers.

Originally posted by Darkheart00

I did not play OB but i have played City of Heroes/Villains (Issue 1-10), this game fell below the radar for me since i was burnt out from city of heroes and i was more interested in the other big release coming out at the end of the world. But since i saw this game at Steam couple days back figured i will give it a shot while i wait for Aion's release. Lets get to the review

Pros

+Character customization is great, surprised they caught up with how much CoH/V offers on release.
+Quests are better than CoH with some voice overs. Public quests are used appropriately compared to WAR.
+Combat is fast paced

+Loot and crafting something CoH did not have.
+Did not run into any major issues (getting stuck, broken quests etc)

Cons

-Zones are instanced way too much, it kills community since each zone typically has only 20-40 players.
-Cell shading/graphics doesn't look good even CoH looks better in some aspects compared to this.
-Some parts of map look ok while others look bland.
-Voice overs are terrible.
-Mobs are close and re-spawns are too much (i.e the ghost zone by Witchcraft was impossible to move around with acrobatics without spawning a ton of Master villains)

Overall if you are into super hero games/casual MMO player. You should definitely give it a shot but don't expect it to have as much content or game play value as WoW. From what i saw player community seemed helpful and since there is only shard it should mean there is always some one around to play with and there is no problem of being in underpopulated servers.

 

What the hell are you talking about? CO graphics are a big step above COH and they are not cell shaded. Try learning to set your graphic and do not blame the game if you PC and video card can not keep up. How are these graphic cell shaded?

I love this game's character creation. You really see some crazy characters in this game. Lets see yours. Here are my first three. You got to do at least one half naked hottie super hero, sorry.

Originally posted by Dreizack

MMO's come and go so fast these days that if the developer screws up their first impression they can never recover.  In my opinion Cryptic has shot themselves in the foot and this game will end up like Vanguard, AoC, Warhammer, DDO and every other MMO since WoW. 
 

Too bad for Cryptic that the MMO consumer doesn't put up with shit from developers anymore.  If the game is a failure at the start people will never give it a second chance.  CO will end up a niche game with a small playerbase and Cryptic will probably never release the game on consoles.
 

Imagine after years of hard work and millions of dollars spent developing this game a patcher is going to be the cause of it's downfall??????

What? Do you even follow mmos? You are in lala land. I have not been posting as much as usual lately because the threads are full of garbage. However, this I had to respond to. First, recover from what? The game is not launched yet. All the games you mention as failures are all doing ok, some better then others. DDO is strong and has been around for a couple years and is now going to a F2P structure. Vanguard is still alive and holding it's own. Both WAR and AoC are doing better, with AoC getting players back. Everyone has a right to post anything they want in a public forum even if it is crap.

Originally posted by Ozarumon

So I heard from a couple people that post here on their ideas of soloing I heard that people who raid should not be allowed gear that gives them huge benefits over those who solo I also hear a lot that there should be solo dungeons where people go through dungeons solo and get loot on par to those who go in group dungeons.

 

Why? Soloing is easy, if it was hard you would need more than one person. and if everything can be soloed and not grouped what does that say for classes that have it harder to solo than those who dont IE pet classes vs healing classes. Should people who play pet classes be allowed to plow through content and get gear easier and faster than those who have harder jobs/classes?

 

Why do people like soloing in a mmorpg? You plow through content no matter how slow you take it, its still fast when soloing, you solo and beat all the content then what? You want for a new patch to come a long when can take months for more content. Soloing is what is killing mmorpgs now a days.

Even single player RPGS do not have soloing, you are always grouped with other characters or NPCs. Any so called solo rpg IE legend of zelda is classified as an adeventure game or hack and slash or dungeon crawler not a RPG. Companys today are trying their hardest to balance soloing and group play that it will always hurt group play. The easier you make solo the less people want to group, the less content there will be to group. Lets take WoW for example after you solo all the way to 80 there are what 7 small man dungeons and 4 raids, before content patch there were three PVE raids.

 

Now take those numbers and what % of the content is that? Especially for raiders they have to see the same four raids over and over and over again just to get loot. Solo players have many different sites and quest to go by alone. The instances now a days even for any new mmorpg are just that fast instansted content, group  play does not even have options we are told to go here if we want to group.

 

Yes we can group in solo content but why? we are hit hard for exp if we invite some one, the quest are longer, not kill quest but definately loot quest are much longer. It is much more of a pain in the ass to group than to solo in the solo aspect of the game. and even if we did group it just makes the game 100x more easier than it already is, grouping is supposed to be a challenge, overcoming challenges with others not plow through content asap.

Should there be some soloing in games, yes there should be, should soloing be the main aspect of mmorpgs like it is today? No

You miss the entire reason people prefer soloing. Hence, your thread and opinion are way off base. Your total reasoning is flawed because you base your argument, as most do, on the idea people want to solo.
 

Wrong! Most soloers like myself solo because we have no choice. Many developers have yet to come up with a way to make grouping fast and effective for a player base that has changed over the years. I simple do not have the time anymore I use to. The other night I signed up for a raid in WoW. The time plan was about 2 hours. Well that is fantasy. Took over an hour to get everyone together at the aggreed upon time. 2 players did not show and we had to wait and try to find replacements. I had 2.5 hours alotted and we barely got started when I had to leave. So then I became the villian because I was ready to go and scheduled my time for the raid but it went way beyond the time it should have taken. They ended up spending almost 4 hours on what was planned as a 2 hour group.

Now do not tell me that is just wow, my guild, or my server. This has happened in almost every mmo I have played. That is why we solo not because we prefer it. It is because the developers need to rethink how you group, amounts of players needed, and length of group acctivities. Because of this situation, I also agree solo rewards need to be as good as group rewards. I pay the same money as everyone else does to play. If I solo and soloing is built into the game, as in WoW, then there should be equal rewards available to all who pay to play. That does not mean it has to be easy, another flawed reasoning on the OPs part. You see it is not that we want to solo. Many of the games have made it impossible to group as a priorty for a lot of players.

It's fun!

I have been playing WoW on and off since beta. The hunter class is my favorite class. For me hunting down and taming rares is one of my favorite things to do. You name it my hunter main "Ecco" has tamed it. One beast that has eluded Ecco is the Harkoa Loque'nahak. Many hours have been logged searching for him. I have never seen him accept in pictures so I started to doubt he actually existed.

The other night while making my rounds searching spots where others have claimed to have tamed him, I got a phone call. A friend asked what I was doing. She thinks my playing WoW at my age is funny, that is crazy thinking. Anyway, I told her I was looking for a beast to tame. I hear the usual laughter when BAM Loque'nahak spawn about 5 ft in front of Ecco. Man my heart jumped out my chest. As she was laughing I told her to keep it down that I was taming him, the laughter turned into an outright heckling. The nice thing is Loque is none aggressive so I had a second to think. That is when I noticed a tauren hunter running my way. I laid my trap and started taming, thinking "this horde is going to ruin this for me". The taming seemed to take forever! Just as the tauren got into distance and let an arrow fly, I swear it was slow motion like in the Matrix, I tamed Loque! Not the laughter, heckling, or the wrath of a pissed tauren hunter stopped Ecco from his destiny. Man that was as good as taming a king merek in SWG for me. Raiding is fun and I love getting that awesome gear. However taming Loque'nahak is one of my best moments in WoW.

Ecco with Loque and his little Eggbert.