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I see a solution to the endless questing in games like Wizard 101 and pirates 101 heck even toontown, yes they have quest hubs and levels but they have ALOT of small games and other activivities . All these small activivities breaks the boredom and lets you do something else, but most importantly it keeps you in game...
I see a solution to the endless questing in games like Wizard 101 and pirates 101 heck even toontown, yes they have quest hubs and levels but they have ALOT of small games and other activivities . All these small activivities breaks the boredom and lets you do something else, but most importantly it keeps you in game...
Originally posted by Telondariel

It kills me to hear the same people bleating on and on about how X game isn't worth it..unless it goes FTP.  Apparently at that point, there is a magical transition that turns the game, the company, and it's players from being flame-worthy into an experience they want to partake of and support.  /eyeroll   There is plenty of pub-par, Cash Shop-centric, wallet-digging FTP trash out there.  Please go find one and stop squabbling that one more thing in life isn't being given to you for free.

 

As to the OP, I find myself in the position of observing and waiting.  I'd like to see the Imperial City opened up, as I was always a huge fan of Darkness Falls.  I am also allowing the game to mature for a bit more.  It's new, and there are still some growing pains that need to be worked out.  I see myself playing ESO, just not right now.

I agree on this..The ongoing trash talk to make games go FTP is simply amazing, I had a lengthy post about this a while ago ,where I asked this particular question,  some claim the game is just not good enough to value a subscription but just good enough to make them wan't to play it if it's FTP..

Obviously some players are willing to play things that are "halfgood" aslong as it's free, lol

But everyone that actually ARE playing ESO knows that Zenimax REALLY has but some effort into this game, it's simply amazing how much value you will get for your money from the getgo, and now when Craglorn is released it's even better :)

 

Ohh Well...

 

Originally posted by Ehllfhire
Originally posted by thark
Originally posted by Olgark

So after all the moaning from so called fans of the game about the lack of group content to play with their friends in guilds they are now going to make the group content easier so they can solo it.

The veteran ranks are not a leveling experience they are there just as a icing on the cake, the leveling experience is ended when a player hits level 50/ After that you just increase the softcap on stats and skill points.

 

I wonder how long it will be before those asking for easier content in the veteran ranks will be latter on whinging about it being all solo content in a MMO. This is what happens when devs cave in and listen to the players.

Agree ..:)

Al these players have also already quit the game, and now we are getting forced Changes based on players that no longer plays the game...

 

Please ZENIMAX ..Stick with your vision

 

All my friends that left ESO left because the "lack of grouping"  .....And now they are making it even more solofriendly..

Maybe they should consider nerfing Craglorn aswell. I'm sure several has been whining about that aswell :)

um I still play. Just becasue it was easy to stick and skirt users doesnt mean it was easy. I can now actually progress in the game. But I guess you just want the game to fail.

 

You could get a friend and progress just as it was intended :) The VR content was never ment to be solo friendly , but It's no longer an issue we have to argue about since all the solo players has already won this aswell..

No..I do NOT wan't this game fail, but there is PLENTY of other NON  players doing a fine job with all the trashtalking here and on other forums that really wants it to fail for unknown reasons, they should stick with their vision, not some trashtalking whiner that refuses to Group just because It was all solo up until 50.

 

Originally posted by Olgark

So after all the moaning from so called fans of the game about the lack of group content to play with their friends in guilds they are now going to make the group content easier so they can solo it.

The veteran ranks are not a leveling experience they are there just as a icing on the cake, the leveling experience is ended when a player hits level 50/ After that you just increase the softcap on stats and skill points.

 

I wonder how long it will be before those asking for easier content in the veteran ranks will be latter on whinging about it being all solo content in a MMO. This is what happens when devs cave in and listen to the players.

Agree ..:)

Al these players have also already quit the game, and now we are getting forced Changes based on players that no longer plays the game...

 

Please ZENIMAX ..Stick with your vision

 

All my friends that left ESO left because the "lack of grouping"  .....And now they are making it even more solofriendly..

Maybe they should consider nerfing Craglorn aswell. I'm sure several has been whining about that aswell :)

Originally posted by BailoPan15
Originally posted by jacker1991

Ummm, more solo content in an MMORPG. Love it! :D

I never get people like you. Soloing is usually slower/more challenging than your usual carebear 5vs1 environment. If i want the challenge once in a while who are you to say otherwise? 

Of course It's more challenging to solo content made for solo-ing , and if you do not want to end up solo an entire game , they should keep some parts that are required to have a Group to maintain a challenge for a Group.


No plaease ...DO not make this game easier and more soloable.

STICK WITH YOU VISION Zenimax.

Just EXPLAIN that VR levels wil be harder and may require you to Group up . Explain it at an early stage so players are prepared for it.

Whats up with folks that say that there is a grind at VR levels, there is only a grind if you Think the VR levels should take as long to level as the standard levels 1-50 did.

Every single game should get nerfed based on "solo players" , it's really annoying !!!

 

-These players won't stay for long, they will complete the VR levels then quit

As you said the VR levels should help you build Community and foster grouping.

And for the players that just wan't to PvP ..just do It , you do NOT need a VR12 characther for that. The only time you will need a VR12 characther in PVP is maybe solo PvP

Or maybe raise every characther to VR 12 as they enter Cyrodiil.

 

 

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

I read a post which suggest that making ESO more like Skyrim would be an impossible task.

I want to refer specific items that would be easy and items that I personally think many ES fans would think are a standard requirement.

1. skill based, not class based. This is easy, not hard.

2. no factions...what?...player created factions....easy...not hard.

3. true open world...small team MMOs have done this....not imposible

4. make progress not dependent on questing....easy not hard. (I am assuming that progress in this game is much easier if you quest).

 

The implication that making ESO like an ES game is an impossible task is very frustrating to hear. indie developers with far less money have done it.

Do you not Think Zenimax has reserched ALL these issues  ?

Don't you think they have discussed the outline of ESO a million times Before choosing the game they have now developed ?

Do you not think a Company creating a game Worth millions in developer costs checks the market for the best buisness model ?

I'm completly certain that they do, they could still be wrong however, but not likely :)

Originally posted by BailoPan15
Originally posted by Scot
Originally posted by BailoPan15
Originally posted by gwei1984
Originally posted by ohioastro
Good lord.  People who hate the game are so desperate they're trying to rehash their bashing points now?

Rodarin is pretty known for that. Ignore them trolls.

Company still haven't boasted with it subs (while they were quick to mention that Skyrim is a best selling game). 

The EU server is still located in the NA. 

Phasing is still annoying as fuck for group players. 

The list goes on, BUT! 

 

I'm happy you guys found your favorite single player MMO rpg. Now how about you get "busy playing" instead of "busy apologizing" :)

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Well..As far as I'm concerned ESO has the most advanced phasing of any game around, It uses alterations of the World everywhere, much much more than any other game I have seen before, and the alterations based on your quests is PERMANENT..That is also why players will get problems going back to help someone with areas that is looking totally diffrent for that player..

In my knowledge TERA  and Neverwinter does not have phasing and GW2 has phasing but only phasing regarding the public events, meaning that the outcome will happen for EVERYONE in the area until the event resets and the event starts again.

There is really only 1 problem with grouping and phasing ESO, and that is the case when you try to help some others with quests you have already done. I have quested in Groups for the entire game so far and NOT stumbled upon ANY problems at all, sure the above problem can be an issue , but for godness sake ...start the quests together and you will have NO problems

Originally posted by wuhsin88

Imagine if they made a Legend of Zelda MMO, with no puzzles, hook shots, or archery?

Imagine if they made a Super Mario World MMO, with no jumping?

Imagine if they made a Star Fox MMO, with no Arwings or dogfights? 

The outcry would be huge. The backlash against the companies that made those games would put them out of business. So why is it okay for Zenimax to make an MMO without so many staple TES features? The only appropriate response to such a travesty should be outright rejection. But apparently there are lots of "gamers" who think I am "entitled" for demanding that a game stay true to its franchise. These "gamers" think that more of the same old theme park quest running design year after year is just fine, even out of games that try to cash in on existing IP's known for unique, innovative features that they purposefully exclude for their own convenience. 

I don't know what has happened to gamers. We used to have higher standards than most groups. We used to not be afraid to be the nail that sticks out. We used to not fear the hammer. Now we are a bunch of complacent hamsters, happily running on our hamster wheels, stopping occasionally to press a button to get our delicious pellets. Gone are the days where game developers took risks, innovated, and created entire new genres overnight. Now you take a community college class, copy and paste some code, hire graphic designers to slap some shiny textures over your linear on-rails grind-fest, hire some shills to market it online, while your buddy with the business degree figures out how much to charge for a horse, and wah-lah! You have your very own MMO.

I am quite frankly ashamed. 

 

 

What staple TES features is left out part from the "complete open World" wich is discussed over and over again ...and It's rather tiresome to listen to people that doesn't even play this game constantly whine about the same things over and over again,

I'm guessing we will never find out the  complete reasons for why Zenimax developed their game this way , but it could be several..

1. The market for current MMO's is way lower in the sk sandbox genre, ea they simply thought they would make more Money making THEIR game this way.

2. Engine dificulties, they could not develop a good enough open World without cutting massive corners.

Im sure there are several more reasons that could be brought up..

 

My feel for ESO is that it's a very close adaption and It's clearly noticable where the inspiration to make this game comes from, and I think the majority of ESO fans actually are rather happy with this game.

It's a VERY good game in it's own right ..

Originally posted by Torvaldr

Yes, it will be F2P, but in order to chat or do mini-adventures you must be a subscriber. That is what the poster above is referring to. By locking sections of the game and the chat system behind the sub they're screwing themselves, and he's right Funcom should know better as should Lego by its last failure.

Nellie you make a good point about people grouping up with you. I think the problem is that if you can't communicate how will you know if someone wants to group or what they need.

This game could be a great contender to Wizard101 or Pirates101, but it won't be because of its subscription limitations. It was really stupid of them because the game is fun for what it offers.

Both Wizard101 and Pirate101 is subscription based games, only a very small part of the game is open for those without an account..

 

Tried the beta and felt like you do..

Cartoon action is not my thing either :)

do not know where all the praise for this game comes from, it's really odd..

I also felt the same about GW2, it didn't really feel right at all, felt disconnected from the World for some reason,,

 

Originally posted by LeGrosGamerV2

 It's pretty obvious on why almost everyone hates TESO, and for those on here who like TESO, you should thank those that have a high tolerance for crappy games, other wise you'd have no one to play it in the first place. 

  The main problem with TESO, because it's a Elder Scroll game, it got a lot of hype and a whole lot of attention with a huge spot light, but on launch day the game was barely 50% completed, Bethesda cashed in on the PC version to work on the final phases for the console release.  Remove the Elder Scroll logo, and as far as I'm concerned this game is still in alpha searching it's way out of a maze filled with questions.  Is it a MMO?  A simple multi player game?  A console game?    

 

  They were better off on just making Skyrim multi player, because TESO will die off as the game that wasn't meant to be.  I understand most of you who "like" TESO, feel that way because on how great the franchise was before TESO and how crappy the MMO releases ended up being for the past 5-6 years.   TESO gives P2P a bad name, and I'm surprised it's not F2P yet.  

 

  I'd mass petition Bethesda / Zenimax for them to make TESO F2P until console version releases, and by the looks of it won't be until next year. Basically it's a subtle way on cashing in on people to work on a project without using KickStarter.  So in the end, those defending TESO, please use your heads and look at the bigger picture on what exactly you're paying a monthly fee for.   TESO had red flags flying all over it when the delay between PC and console version was over 6 months. 

Is this guy even for real ??    50% completed..haha

I'm sorry dude, but you are so full of it :)

Originally posted by Diablito
Originally posted by thark

I can't even remember now but I have seen this on several occasions in all the troll threads on ESO , ofcourse in other MMO's aswell, aspecially the ones that has a subscription to start with , like ESO !!

First they tell everyone that ...this game is sooooooo bad , it has poor Graphics , poor story , buggy gameplay, grindy gameplay, souless World and It's basically the worst game ever created. Ohh...Its Soooooooooo boring :) How can anyone pay 60$ for this junk and also pay a sub !!

These comments are often directly after the "free open beta" then ongoing despite fixes , updates , resulting in more than half of it is simply untrue, if it ever was true or just some exaggeratations.

Yet they are prepared to play it once it goes free to play !!!!!!!! Why ?

If I would consider any of the above, I would not touch such a Product for my enterrainment..

Unless , Its all bullshit ..and trolling , but since trolling isn't permitted in this forum, It can't be trolling :) can It ...?

 

 It's hip to hate. It's hip to bitch. It's hip to whine. It's hip to be negative. It's hip to live your life through others. And...it's hip to let angry, "popular" egocentric jerks on YouTube take your decisions. Welcome to the internet and welcome to 2014.

Playing an mmo = spending hours, weeks and months of your precious (?) spare time to level, gear up, beat content. And 15$ a month should be the turning point for what makes it worth putting this time investment on a game...or not? Yeah right...

 

 

Agree ;)

Originally posted by Brabbit1987
Originally posted by thark

Well , let's just agree to disgree..You have your view and I have mine.:)

Ohh..I would not continue playing the game I purchased if it turns out bad !!,  you are right in that :)

You have this odd habit of saying bad when no one even said that. I didn't say the game turned out bad, I said it didn't turn out as good as you thought it would be.

You seem to think that if a game isn't great that it automatically means it's bad .. and that isn't the case.

Game are not black and white. They are not just good or bad.

I said the game is generic and you seem to think that equals bad.

I said the game isn't all that great, and you see that as equals bad as well.

 

You don't seem to understand ... and that is where our disagreement lies. I keep bringing this up, but you really have a very black and white viewpoint. To you .. the game is either good or bad. If it's good you buy it no matter the price. If it's bad you simply don't buy it.

Most people don't think that way as most people view things in varying types of quality. A game can be good, but not good enough that we would spend $60 on it.

It honestly bugs me when people can't understand something so simple.

 

Edit: Heck, if I said "game A" isn't as good as "game "B", you would probably interpret it as I am saying "game A" is bad even though that isn't what I said.

I'm sorry Brabbit1987, but I actually do understand , was a  poor choice of word from me in that last line.

And as I said aswell, we may have to agree to disagree upon this :)

You have your view and I have mine regarding games and this game in particular.

Originally posted by Brabbit1987
Originally posted by thark
Originally posted by Brabbit1987

lol why would I not be honest about my own views on a game?

Because you say that you still want to play it even thou you fint the game" generic" and "not that good"

Quote from above

-Everything ESO has, some other games have done better

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If that is really how you feel about ESO, then there should be a multitude of other games you could play , most of them are free aswell !!

 

As for unique? What part of it is unique? I suppose you could say all the features combined is unique, but individually they have all been done before, and done better. Any MMO when you combine features is unique in it's own right since it is it's own game. No game is 100% like the other, so even if I was to mention another game like ESO, you could just as easily point out the difference and we would really get no where.

I agree, all features combined makes ESO a unique experience among MMO's.

I also like that in some features they have had a more back to basics mindset, that is also somewhat uniqe in todays gaming market.

what specific features has been done better in other games ?

I think it's just easier that you accept that there are some people who simply don't think ESO is all that Amazing.

I do accept that :) What I do not accept is certain players that tries to bad mouth a game , so they eventually can play it for free.

The other issue is it's a TES game. It really doesn't meet my expectations of what a TES game should be. Keeping in mind, I was one of those people who was fairly excited about this game. >.> Till I played it lol. I went in fully expecting a TES game but in MMO form. It fails at it.

For me it certainly has not failed as a TES game, I see very Little diffrence (part from the obvious) in Skyrim (as it is TES latest)

 

So let me get this straight. I am not being honest because I am ok with playing a game that is generic if it's F2P? What do you do when you purchase a game and it turns out to be not as good as you thought it was? Do you sell it without finishing it? Personally I would still play it all the way through.

Just because a game is generic doesn't mean it's bad. I don't know how many times I have to point that out to you. That means it's still possible to have fun in the game.

Let me give you an example of a generic game that I purchased. TERA Online. I subbed that game straight from the start. 2 copies of it so one of my friends could play ... almost 3 copies for another friend, but it turned out his computer couldn't run it.

Now keep in mind I wasn't expecting the game to be generic lol. Actually I was much like you defending the crap out the game. Turns out it really wasn't all that great. Does that mean I did not enjoy it? NO ... I enjoyed it .. it's a pretty fun game. Do I regret my purchase of it? Yes ... it's F2P now and after I had played it .. it never was worth the price it released at.

Does that mean I wouldn't ever play it as a F2P? No .. I totally would. As I said, it's still a fun game .. but it isn't something I can stick with for long periods of time. It's fun for a few hours at a time.

I am looking for a long term MMO. Something I can play for years .. not months. TERA isn't that mmo. Nor is ESO.

 

As for others bad mouthing the game? Games do not go F2P simply because people bad mouth. Games go F2P because they didn't do as well as the developers had liked as a P2P game. It doesn't mean the game is bad, it just means it wasn't good enough. I also am not one of those people who is bad mouthing the game. I am entirely honest. I have not once said the game was terrible .. have I?

 

It isn't like TES at all besides some of the most basic TES mechanics. If you can't tell the difference, then you likely have not played other TES games enough. Other reviewers have hit the nail on the head. Gopher whom is one of the most well known Skyrim Let's players and modders agrees that if you are looking for a TES game, ESO isn't it.

How about shoddycast? They where all over ESO and hyped it up constantly. Yet even they admit it isn't the greatest game and they failed at making it feel like a true TES game.

The only people I personally have seen who deny this fact are people who obviously are blind by their fan boy mentality or as I said, they have not played enough TES games to really see the difference.

Yes im goiing to mention angryjoe as well .. because I find it's so funny how people act like his opinion no longer matter just because his opinion isn't on their side. Truth is .. I saw nothing wrong with his review and I think people need to grow up. It's this mentality that if a popular person goes against ones opinion then the popular person is either a sell out of doesn't know what they are talking about. XD

Right so . . guess every reviewer of ESO must sucks lol .. cause most of the reviews where not that great. At least not to TES standards.

Well , let's just agree to disgree..You have your view and I have mine.:)

Ohh..I would not continue playing the game I purchased if it turns out bad !!,  you are right in that :)

Originally posted by azzamasin

As for unique? What part of it is unique? I suppose you could say all the features combined is unique, but individually they have all been done before, and done better. Any MMO when you combine features is unique in it's own right since it is it's own game. No game is 100% like the other, so even if I was to mention another game like ESO, you could just as easily point out the difference and we would really get no where. I agree, all features combined makes ESO a unique experience among MMO's.  I also like that in some features they have had a more back to basics mindset, that is also somewhat uniqe in todays gaming market.

what specific features has been done better in other games ?

 

Questing: Asheron's Call

Grouping: DAoC & WoW

Economy: UO

PvP: DAoC

PvE: Asheron's Call & EQ

Combat: Neverwinter, Tera and GW2

Classes: Asheron's Call, Rift, Skyrim and any other game that features skill based classless system.

Loot: EQ, AC & DAoC

Crafting: DAoC and UO

Exploration: AC & Skyrim

Story: The Secret World or Asheron's Call

Raids: EQ & WoW

 

 

Shall I continue?

 

I only agree on one of these points ..Story: The Secret World

Even thou ESO has many wonderful storys , the Secret World is more in line with my personal taste in fan fiction :)

The rest, yeah right, but If you say so...:)

Originally posted by Zeymere
Originally posted by thark
Originally posted by Gravarg
I think a lot of he haters for this game played the BETA B.E.T.A. and haven't even looked at any of the patch notes or anything about this game since the first time they ran into a bugged quest or something.  So it's just popular now days to just bash a game when you find one small thing wrong with it.  I hate to tell you, but I could find something wrong to harp on in ANY game, even Zelda games.  Which out of my top 10 of games of all time, almost every Zelda game is in it lol.  I like WoW, I've had a sub almost constantly since launch, but there's some things I hate about it.   I don't stand around a QQ about it, I focus on what I like about a game.  If you focus only on negatives, you'll never be happy with anything.

I agree ..

I was one of those that played in B.E.T.A. but decided that it wasn't for me.  I have read the patch notes, followed the AMA's and to date the main issue I have still has not been addressed.  Unless I missed it then please feel free to call me out.  That the grouping/phasing does not work in a way that for me encourages group play and for me is a BIG DEAL no small thing.  Is that fixed?  Do people phase out still? Can people grouped work together and accomplish tasks/quests or is it still more of a solo affair with grouping splashed on?

 

Z.

Grouping has been working all the time, I have grouped up with my GF all from lvl3 to 50..Not a single phase out :)

 

Originally posted by Brabbit1987
Originally posted by thark
Originally posted by Brabbit1987

No, I never said the game was "bad". It's just not good enough, in my opinion, to warrant the price tag. My analogy was perfectly fine and non of this is BS. You are just to ignorant to accept others have a different opinion on a game. You also seem to be pretty darn ignorant if you think price doesn't matter. It matters a great deal how much a game costs compared to how good it is.

If anything is BS, it's people like you who can't seem to grasp the idea that the world isn't in black and white and there are all different shades of grey and colors. It's not just like or dislike. Just because you will not play a game at $60 +15 per month, doesn't mean you think the game is terrible. It just means you don't think the game is worth it. 

I really don't understand how something so freaking simple is so damned hard for some people to get. It's like freaking common sense.

Pfft .. oh .. right .. I forgot most people don't have common sense rofl.

 

Edit: BTW Generic doesn't mean bad. It just means the game isn't anything all that unique. The game didn't really bring anything all that new to the table. Everything ESO has, some other games have done better. Again that doesn't mean the game is bad.

If it was free, or loads cheaper with out a sub .. I would give it a shot because then it's worth it.

 

BTW here is the definition of worth because you don't really seem to get the whole idea behind it.

Worth: equivalent in value to the sum or item specified.

 

Now, keep in mind worth is based on opinion. That means something that is worth the price tag to you personally may not be worth the price tag to someone else. Again if someone doesn't think a game is worth the price tag, that doesn't mean they are saying the game is bad.

I know all that, you do not have to explain it..It's all crystal clear..it's common sence, just like you said.

However, I just do not belive you are beiing really honest about what your opinions are about ESO, ESO in my book is very unique you see, name one game that is like it, It may have some simmular features, but in all honesty most of it is rather unique.

But it's ok :) The price has and will drop even more, so you can soon also play your "not that good" or generic game !! because then it is Worth it to you :)

lol why would I not be honest about my own views on a game?

Because you say that you still want to play it even thou you fint the game" generic" and "not that good"

Quote from above

-Everything ESO has, some other games have done better

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If that is really how you feel about ESO, then there should be a multitude of other games you could play , most of them are free aswell !!

 

As for unique? What part of it is unique? I suppose you could say all the features combined is unique, but individually they have all been done before, and done better. Any MMO when you combine features is unique in it's own right since it is it's own game. No game is 100% like the other, so even if I was to mention another game like ESO, you could just as easily point out the difference and we would really get no where.

I agree, all features combined makes ESO a unique experience among MMO's.

I also like that in some features they have had a more back to basics mindset, that is also somewhat uniqe in todays gaming market.

what specific features has been done better in other games ?

I think it's just easier that you accept that there are some people who simply don't think ESO is all that Amazing.

I do accept that :) What I do not accept is certain players that tries to bad mouth a game , so they eventually can play it for free.

The other issue is it's a TES game. It really doesn't meet my expectations of what a TES game should be. Keeping in mind, I was one of those people who was fairly excited about this game. >.> Till I played it lol. I went in fully expecting a TES game but in MMO form. It fails at it.

For me it certainly has not failed as a TES game, I see very Little diffrence (part from the obvious) in Skyrim (as it is TES latest)

Originally posted by Brabbit1987
Originally posted by thark
Originally posted by Brabbit1987
Originally posted by thark
Originally posted by Brabbit1987

Quality to price ratio is the reason.

I personally would have purchased ESO if it was B2P. After learning it was a sub, and learning about a race being locked behind a pay wall, I decided it was a game I was going to pass until goes F2P. They lost their chance with me. Even if it went B2P .. I wouldn't touch it because it isn't worth it to me.

Don't get me wrong, the game isn't terrible or anything, but it isn't even worth the $60 to me. It's way to generic.

Also don't get me wrong again. Yes, I would play it if it was F2P, but only as long as it holds my attention. Chances are ... not very long. See the great thing about something being free 2 play is that I can download it .. play it .. and I don't have to worry about if I end up not liking it at all. Not spending a dime is a huge reason to play something that you wouldn't have played for $60+.

 

To me, I don't understand the people who do not understand that perfectly valid reason.

If you went to a diner to eat some pancakes, but they cost $40 for a plate and you heard they where not the greatest pancakes ever .. you may think twice before buying it no matter how much you like pancakes. You may even remember that iHop is a lot cheaper and has better pancakes. Does that mean you would never eat pancakes from that diner? What if they had a day where they where going to give away pancakes for free for the first 100 customers? You are telling me, you wouldn't accept those pancakes just because they are of lower quality? They don't taste bad lol ... and free is free. If they even go as far as to up their quality after I taste their free pancakes ... I might even leave a large tip. Which is essentially like the whole concept of F2P. If they improved so much that their pancakes blew my mind away, I probably would even join the monthly subscription for all you can eat pancakes.

So to me .. it makes perfect sense.

It's a game not a meal, It's ment to entertain you , not fill your body so you survive(we will do anything to survive)..Even eat food straight from the garbage bins.

It makes no sence at all ..

I was talking luxury food if you didn't catch that. I didn't say anything about starving. I am clearly talking as if you are capable of buying what ever you wish. You are simply trying to beat around the bush and the whole actual point blew right over your head. I can equally replace that analogy without using food if you really still don't understand. I am used to explaining things in a more simple manner for people that need it or don't understand things that easily.

Ok..I understood your example perfectly fine, and I admire that you have gone to such lenghts to explain yourself in detail , yet I can't see anything else than pure bullshit..(and the food example was still bad :))

Why !!

Well, Elder Scrolls Online is no way as bad as you describe it, It's one of the latest games released with top notch Entertainment and a HUGE value for your Money in all areas , there is so much to do you will easily have entertaimnet for atleast 4-5 Months playing rather casually. and If you do not like it, you should never play this game. there is nothing wrong with not liking a thing, but there is simply so many games, that trying to explain to us , if this and that game was cheaper or FTP you would consider playing a generic game. A generic game ..??!!!

Chose some other game then !

Or !! is it so that those games is even more generic than ESO ?

I do Not have the imperial race, I did not purchase it, and I'm totally fine without it..Infact i haven't even thought about it !!

 

 

No, I never said the game was "bad". It's just not good enough, in my opinion, to warrant the price tag. My analogy was perfectly fine and non of this is BS. You are just to ignorant to accept others have a different opinion on a game. You also seem to be pretty darn ignorant if you think price doesn't matter. It matters a great deal how much a game costs compared to how good it is.

If anything is BS, it's people like you who can't seem to grasp the idea that the world isn't in black and white and there are all different shades of grey and colors. It's not just like or dislike. Just because you will not play a game at $60 +15 per month, doesn't mean you think the game is terrible. It just means you don't think the game is worth it. 

I really don't understand how something so freaking simple is so damned hard for some people to get. It's like freaking common sense.

Pfft .. oh .. right .. I forgot most people don't have common sense rofl.

 

Edit: BTW Generic doesn't mean bad. It just means the game isn't anything all that unique. The game didn't really bring anything all that new to the table. Everything ESO has, some other games have done better. Again that doesn't mean the game is bad.

If it was free, or loads cheaper with out a sub .. I would give it a shot because then it's worth it.

 

BTW here is the definition of worth because you don't really seem to get the whole idea behind it.

Worth: equivalent in value to the sum or item specified.

 

Now, keep in mind worth is based on opinion. That means something that is worth the price tag to you personally may not be worth the price tag to someone else. Again if someone doesn't think a game is worth the price tag, that doesn't mean they are saying the game is bad.

I know all that, you do not have to explain it..It's all crystal clear..it's common sence, just like you said.

However, I just do not belive you are beiing really honest about what your opinions are about ESO, ESO in my book is very unique you see, name one game that is like it, It may have some simmular features, but in all honesty most of it is rather unique.

But it's ok :) The price has and will drop even more, so you can soon also play your "not that good" or generic game !! because then it is Worth it to you :)

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