I coudnt have said it better myself, these are the issues I state aswell, but I got flamed when trying to say these things.

Concerns

1 . To easy on normal

2. To SHORT main campain, not everyone is interessted in playing the same tired campaign over and over again..

3  The loot is the main reason or atleast one of the reasons you play..And since you can decked out in the auction house, you get even less reason to play the diffrent difficulty levels..

Originally posted by fivoroth
You paid 60 euros I paid a lot less. 27 pounds for this game is nothing. Also it hasnt been in development for more than 4-5 years.

 Yes..I paid 60 Euros on Digital Download on Battlenet..

27 pounds yes that is cheap..And also more in line what the game should cost.. Where did you get it that cheap ?

Originally posted by jdnewell

Originally posted by thark

Originally posted by WhiteLantern

People seem to think that it's been in development since LoD launched, but that's not the case. Granted, it was long, but it wasn't that long. Based on what iformation I've seen, it's been going for about 5ish years (give or take). It was first announced in 2008, as I recall, but there wasn't much to show then.

 

And, if you don't mind me asking, where are you seeing cost speculations? I'd kinda like to see what the cost of the game may have been.

 It was in this thread I saw people speculating in the costs..

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/644/view/forums/thread/352137/Diablo-3-63-million-in-1-week.html

So your basing your development cost for D3 based on a MMOrpg.com thread? 0.o

Now that truly is funny. No offense but thats just pure speculation, I even posted somethings in that thread, which were all just guesses.

Get a little more information. [mod edit]

 

 Yes It's speculations, but do you see any numbers in my post, I use the term HUGE etc..THats a sign of speculations , and this post is discussing these speculations..

Without any doubt the development cost for Diablo is higher than many games out there, the Mid act films and the high quality voice overs are bound to make this game a high bill..What I'm refering to is the meat and butter of the true game, the actual campaign is rather short, and that is what they have been working on all these years..

Now I know the actual replayability and such is very high and popular among Diablo fans due to the diffrent difficulty levels etc, but did these levels give any extra devlopment time to create ? I do not think so, not by much (A guess) , since there are but a few enimies that act diffrently..

So In conclusion ; to me atleast ..I would have prefered a larger ACTUAL gameworld for those 60 Euros i paid.

Originally posted by MikkelB

Disregarding latency issues, the game runs absurdly smooth on my five year old system. Nothing special too, just an old Core2Duo processor, 4GB ram and a regualr HD 4850 ATI videocard. Like I said, a pretty old system. But I can run Diablo 3 at full settings. The game looks amazing and no one can deny that there's a huge amount of detail in the characters and the environment. Directly out of the box, the game is suprisingly polished. Achieving something of those standards costs time and money.

The only cutscene that comes to my mind that was pretty subpar, was the one in which Cain gets killed. That looked aweful to me at least. I do find it pretty funny that you compare the cutscenes from Diablo 3 with those of Mass Effect and Dragon Age. While I do like those games, the use of low quality textures (just look at the armors in the conversations, can it be more blocky?) and flickering shadows always bugged me. With those games it's like they poured all their money and time into the faces and just forgot about the rest. Also, I believe that only Mass Effect 3 natively supports Anti-Alliasing. Perhaps nitpicking of me, but the jagged edges in the recent Bioware games are pretty noticeable. The HD pack for Dragon Age 2 didn't make things a lot better either.

Lastly, people were also willing to pay € 55,- for Prototype 2. A game that plays, looks and with all respect, litterly is the same as the first game. Why? Because they find it worth that money. For it's the same with Diablo 3 and unlike with Mass Effect 3, I don't feel betrayed by Diablo 3 when I finished my first playthrough.

 Yes the one scene with Cain getting killed is awful...but so are the others aswell IMO.

I dont think there is enough detaili, sure ..some of the places are nice and all , but the nice places are VERY few..As I said in my post above, the dungeons in mostly the same reused tiles over and over again, sometimes you run inside the same room like 10-15 times,Insides of the fortress being attacked in act 3? for example.. 

The gameworld,  or the  playable areas are ..few ..very few..Diablo 3 should have had a larger world with even MOORE detail put in to it..If you play it VERY CASUAL you complete it on normal on a weekend..Then after that there is only loot hunt left ..No new sites to see only the same..

Look, I didnt COMPARE  Diablos cutscenes with DA or Mass Effect, I said If they wanted "cutscenes" why not something like these games..THe cutscenes in Diablo 3 look more like something from ..Baldurs Gate or Fallout

You are up close , you see faces and their expressions , you see how all the characthers look, In Diablo you see a 2 cm large characther wawing arms ..I'm not sure about this, but..Both ME and DA has top of the line characther graphics..The flickering shadows I can agree with however....But I simply disagree with graphics from those games beiing poor like you said, the outdoor graphics  could have been better thou..But we shouldn't be talking about these games now..I just took them as an example of GOOD CUTSCENES, not graphical splendor ...

Originally posted by oubers

[mod edit]

[mod edit] I just think the way I do..I actually stated It was a good game aswell, but maybe not worth the 60 Euro I payed for it..

Originally posted by WhiteLantern

People seem to think that it's been in development since LoD launched, but that's not the case. Granted, it was long, but it wasn't that long. Based on what iformation I've seen, it's been going for about 5ish years (give or take). It was first announced in 2008, as I recall, but there wasn't much to show then.

 

And, if you don't mind me asking, where are you seeing cost speculations? I'd kinda like to see what the cost of the game may have been.

 It was in this thread I saw people speculating in the costs..

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/644/view/forums/thread/352137/Diablo-3-63-million-in-1-week.html

I'm rather puzzled at how long they actually been developing this thing..

And as I been hearing the cost for this game has been HUGE.. Where did they put all this money ?

 the mid act films ? or the voice overs ?

It's a  rather small world , and most of the dungeons come with the same reused corners and tunnels and sometimes the same rooms over and over and over again..In result the dungeons feels boring and you just want out as quickly as possible.

Where is the faboulous design in this concept ?

The INGAME cutscenes are probably the worst I have seen in a very long time, they are just little more zoomed in and really shows us how poor D3 graphics are. Evidently well hidden(fog) during normal gameplay..

Why did they not make real cutscenes like Mass Effect or Dragon Age..If they want to have spoken cutscenes , why not make good ones ?

If this game had been made by any other company then Blizzard , players would be all over this issues.

My conclusion is that this game tries to hide it's flaws by making faboulous act ending films and hiring super good voice actors..

Almost everything else is below par on everything released today, atleast as I see it.

Last but not least, Its a rather fun game with good gameplay, for a while..But the 60 Euro they charge, that's one hell of a price for this game

Originally posted by Irus

I'd say the game (and the series) has very good lore, but can't say the same about the plot, necessarily.

 I find the lore VERY shallow and CHEAP. But in the case off D3 it's done masterfully with the films between the acts, If you have money you can almost make any b-script good.

Angels and Demons? Diablo (The old name for Prince Lucifer) , Baal etc its all stolen names from old folclore picturing the names of diffrent fallen angels or "The Devil" in many diffrent names , the lore was once a meaning to an end to draw in litte kids in this Keeewl lore, and I guess succesfully as well..

If you want good lore, play Dragon Age or Mass Effect or the olden goldie "Planescape Torment".

And as you say yourself..The plot is also thin as ice..

Originally posted by dubyahite

Originally posted by thark

Originally posted by dubyahite
@Netspook

The "loot lottery" requires you to play the game over and over....

 No it doesn't..

Last time i checked the loot lottery was on in Normal difficulty aswell..

So you think that you can get all of the loot you need on one playthrough of each difficulty? 

 

Yet another post that shows just how little you know about the Diablo franchise.  Still clinging to that claim that you played D2?  

 

 

 Look..Where did I say I would get a chance to get ALL the diffrent loot on NORMAL..I said there is a lottery on normal difficulty aswell..

Please..If you try to make FUN out of me or TRY to make me look like an idiot, well then you have to try harder..pal

I know how and why DIablo works as it does, you are just upset because I do NOT agree in the fullest with your opinions of the game.

Originally posted by fivoroth

Originally posted by thark

Originally posted by BizkitNL

Originally posted by thark

Originally posted by darianle

The game is not for you.

if you're friends play alone....why is that the game's fault? 

If you choose to play alone....why is that the game's fault?

 

Diablo has always been diablo.

If you fail to do your research before purchasing...why is that the game's fault?

 

End game?

Why did you purchase this game again?

 - You probably spent more time writing this "i quit" post than you did researching what DIABLO is all about.

 

 No this game is clearly not for me....I  just thought it would be a fun game to play with my friends , but since they all played it solo , so did I...

Reseaching ?? What is there to research about Diablo..It's a  hack n slash looter that can be played COOP.

.Nowhere in the game description does it tell you that you have to play this game trough multiple times to enjoy it, unless you read what hardcore fans write, well I saw that...But that is just some odd phrase you and countless others made up in defence for a game that is far to easy., some claim that normal mode is a tutorial , a tutorial for what.? How to click your mouse one million times ? There is NO simpler game concept than this one, I learned how to play this game after 1 minute, and even if i got several new skills over the course the gameplay did NEVER change

just give me these difficulties so I can play the game as I feel , now I had to endure normal mode first, and as I played the monk I was almost invincible. Up to level 25 I had ALL my potions in 3 stacks left, didnt use a single one of them, the butcher died and I didnt even move out of the way one single time.

Every other game let's you play as you choose, but NOT Diablo, sure there is ALOT of games that let's you unlock other modes or difficulties but they still give you some more options straight from the start.

Actually, any kind of research would have unveiled that Diablo is all about getting to the highest difficulty level. By starting at the easiest and going from there. Has been since #1.

So sure, shoot the game down because it is what it is. Sounds to me you just blindly picked it up (Because your friends had  it) and expected something based on thin air.

 Hmm..Ok...You alll sounds so high and mighty when you try to tell me I know nothing about  this game..I know enough about it ..as I said earlier, yes I have heard about these things before(even with zip research)..But ..I still thought It might have been a good game to play COOP in, thats why I bouht it..

I have at some point also played both Diablo and Diablo 2, never more than once thou, but as I can recall those games where harder on Normal , but D3 isnt..So now all the D3 nuts tells me it's a tutorial ...just a spendid tutorial on 15-20 Hours...  

In almost all the RPG's I play..I prefer the harder modes, because I like a challenge..But sorry, not in Diablo 3 :)

If you think you can convince me that "EVERYONE" that plays Diablo 3 will also be playing the game several times you can always try,:) I actually think(I'm fairly certain) that the vast majority of the players of this game is "super casual" and plays it once or maybe twice with another characther..

as an example...

Just because you can play any MMO to max level and grind for gear till you have the absolute best gear, doesnt mean everyone does it.

Just because you can level to max level in any MMO in 5-10 days, doesnt mean you have to.

Just because you can PvP ,doesnt mean you have to (in most cases)

Just sain, If I would have been able to set the difficulty before hand, I may have enjoyed D3 more..Diffrent strokes for diffrent folks. I guess.

 

You clearly don't like the action (hack and slash) RPG genre. FYI this genre was created by the Diablo series. The thing you describe are what people actually like.

About the highlighted bit, no you probably haven't played those games or you don't remember anything. You came here recycling all the QQ that's been going on these forums from other people. I seriously doubt you even remember D1 or D2 or you would've known what you're getting into. As someone who's spent more than half his lifetime gaming time playing D2, I can tell you that Diablo 3 is not any easier than Diablo 2 on normal.

 Thanks for the response, sure I may not remember the first Diablo and Diablo 2's difficulties correctly..But ..I did play them both on normal..

As for this game being the wrong one for me, well..I never said I dislike the game as a whole, I dislike that I can't choose hard from the getgo..Infact I bought it to get some leisure time with friends and because I like this genre .

From my perspective It seems a little to defensive and narrow minded to  say  " this is what  Diablo is" , when talking about the way the difficulties unlock..How can that be so special ? Just because difficulties are locked .

So if Blizzard would have let you skip normal would Diablo III be a bad game ?

And..PLease, No more.."This is clearly not the game for me" I bought it because I like it, that doesnt mean I have to like EVERY single thing with it..Right !!

Originally posted by dubyahite
@Netspook

The "loot lottery" requires you to play the game over and over....

 No it doesn't..

Last time i checked the loot lottery was on in Normal difficulty aswell..

Originally posted by BizkitNL

Originally posted by thark

Originally posted by darianle

The game is not for you.

if you're friends play alone....why is that the game's fault? 

If you choose to play alone....why is that the game's fault?

 

Diablo has always been diablo.

If you fail to do your research before purchasing...why is that the game's fault?

 

End game?

Why did you purchase this game again?

 - You probably spent more time writing this "i quit" post than you did researching what DIABLO is all about.

 

 No this game is clearly not for me....I  just thought it would be a fun game to play with my friends , but since they all played it solo , so did I...

Reseaching ?? What is there to research about Diablo..It's a  hack n slash looter that can be played COOP.

.Nowhere in the game description does it tell you that you have to play this game trough multiple times to enjoy it, unless you read what hardcore fans write, well I saw that...But that is just some odd phrase you and countless others made up in defence for a game that is far to easy., some claim that normal mode is a tutorial , a tutorial for what.? How to click your mouse one million times ? There is NO simpler game concept than this one, I learned how to play this game after 1 minute, and even if i got several new skills over the course the gameplay did NEVER change

just give me these difficulties so I can play the game as I feel , now I had to endure normal mode first, and as I played the monk I was almost invincible. Up to level 25 I had ALL my potions in 3 stacks left, didnt use a single one of them, the butcher died and I didnt even move out of the way one single time.

Every other game let's you play as you choose, but NOT Diablo, sure there is ALOT of games that let's you unlock other modes or difficulties but they still give you some more options straight from the start.

Actually, any kind of research would have unveiled that Diablo is all about getting to the highest difficulty level. By starting at the easiest and going from there. Has been since #1.

So sure, shoot the game down because it is what it is. Sounds to me you just blindly picked it up (Because your friends had  it) and expected something based on thin air.

 Hmm..Ok...You alll sounds so high and mighty when you try to tell me I know nothing about  this game..I know enough about it ..as I said earlier, yes I have heard about these things before(even with zip research)..But ..I still thought It might have been a good game to play COOP in, thats why I bouht it..

I have at some point also played both Diablo and Diablo 2, never more than once thou, but as I can recall those games where harder on Normal , but D3 isnt..So now all the D3 nuts tells me it's a tutorial ...just a spendid tutorial on 15-20 Hours...  

In almost all the RPG's I play..I prefer the harder modes, because I like a challenge..But sorry, not in Diablo 3 :)

If you think you can convince me that "EVERYONE" that plays Diablo 3 will also be playing the game several times you can always try,:) I actually think(I'm fairly certain) that the vast majority of the players of this game is "super casual" and plays it once or maybe twice with another characther..

as an example...

Just because you can play any MMO to max level and grind for gear till you have the absolute best gear, doesnt mean everyone does it.

Just because you can level to max level in any MMO in 5-10 days, doesnt mean you have to.

Just because you can PvP ,doesnt mean you have to (in most cases)

Just sain, If I would have been able to set the difficulty before hand, I may have enjoyed D3 more..Diffrent strokes for diffrent folks. I guess.

Originally posted by Clubmaster22

You know, you don't have to rationalize and post on forums just because you can't afford it. Shit happens, bad economy and all.

 Did I say I coudnt afford it ?

I said it was this years worst spent 60 euro ..

Originally posted by dubyahite
Playing the game more than once is what the Diablo franchise is all about.

 This is just silly..Wonder why they didnt put that in their advertising campaign.

DIABLO III ..the game that YOU have to play trough more than once to really enjoy ..It's almost Diabolique :)

Originally posted by darianle

The game is not for you.

if you're friends play alone....why is that the game's fault? 

If you choose to play alone....why is that the game's fault?

 

Diablo has always been diablo.

If you fail to do your research before purchasing...why is that the game's fault?

 

End game?

Why did you purchase this game again?

 - You probably spent more time writing this "i quit" post than you did researching what DIABLO is all about.

 

 No this game is clearly not for me....I  just thought it would be a fun game to play with my friends , but since they all played it solo , so did I...

Reseaching ?? What is there to research about Diablo..It's a  hack n slash looter that can be played COOP.

.Nowhere in the game description does it tell you that you have to play this game trough multiple times to enjoy it, unless you read what hardcore fans write, well I saw that...But that is just some odd phrase you and countless others made up in defence for a game that is far to easy., some claim that normal mode is a tutorial , a tutorial for what.? How to click your mouse one million times ? There is NO simpler game concept than this one, I learned how to play this game after 1 minute, and even if i got several new skills over the course the gameplay did NEVER change

just give me these difficulties so I can play the game as I feel , now I had to endure normal mode first, and as I played the monk I was almost invincible. Up to level 25 I had ALL my potions in 3 stacks left, didnt use a single one of them, the butcher died and I didnt even move out of the way one single time.

Every other game let's you play as you choose, but NOT Diablo, sure there is ALOT of games that let's you unlock other modes or difficulties but they still give you some more options straight from the start.

My thoughts on Diablo III

1. Poor story that is beefed up by "looots of money"

2 . An Overrated clickfest , good or rather ok.but not more..

3. 60 euro for this, thats WAY to expensive

4. To get "bad ping" in singleplayer mode is just ...awful, I actually managed to get killed once with my Monk , and that death was due to lag...

5. Graphics ..Well It's not ugly or anything, but why the shoody fog and no zoom and turnable camera is beyond me, Last time i checked it was 2012...For a game released in 2012 you would come to expect more, this game looks old and dated.

6 Why would I ever want to play this game more than once ?

It's like looking at a Very cheap B Movie 10 times. If you are like me then you are basically cheated  of playing the game on hard, since there is not a chance in hell that I will EVER play this game again after completing it ONCE,

From what I understand there is no endgame or anything, It's just crank up the difficulty several times with the same game.

Hard or some of the difficulties should be made available without having to go trough "normal", If you played it trough there you have spoiled all the fun there is to this game. And since I thought the story was rather thin or mediocre, It's even less chance that I would ever endure it again.

I bought this game , because I thought It could be a fun game to play in COOP with my friends, but everyone is just playing solo, so I did the same.

This years worst spent 60 Euro

The cinematics are nice however

Passing on this one, It just felt mediocre..Ohh Well..

Originally posted by arieste

I can't speak for the "Funcom haters" out there, but personally, I'll try out different MMOs simply because I'm a fan of the genre and like to have the perspective of what's going on out there.   

 

For example, I had no interest at all in Tera or DCUO, but i tried both.   Tera turned out to be totally uninteresting, but DCUO turned out to - surprisingly - have a really awesome and unique combat system and quite good voiceovers.  I can see myself going back to it one day when I'm bored.  Either way, after trying them, i now have experience in two more different MMOs and different mechanics, which helps me put any future games in better perspective.  

 

TSW i was actually looking forward to for a long time and beta helped confirm my expectations of it (both good and bad).  

 Well..If all act like you all would be fine with this new type of marketing strategy ..but alas not everyone is , far from it.

.But even if these "free trial betas" woudnt exist , I'm sure if you are interessted in a game you would get to play it some way later anyway..:)

I have also found a few games this way,  but these are all games that I was very uncertain about..

It has even gone this far that I'm betting some players doesnt do anything else than jump from beta to beta, and they just play games for free..

If you start to think about it, these players have nothing to loose when they act like total jerks , both in game and on forums..

Not all choose to listen to these "trolls" but unfortunstly some do..and they actually hurt the games and the developers, they strive to give the games poor reputation from the getgo

I mean..some open betas are streatching as far as months, MONTHS of free play..Not many would consider buying after they have leech played a MMO for a couple of months, only the most dedicated..

Why the hell did so many of you play the Secret World beta event...?

 Pointing at you Funcom haters that liiter this forum, Why did you join the beta event..?

I'm truly puzzled at some players here, they join a game event  that involves installing and playing a game(It took hours for some I guess), a game they know they will hate..Yet they do it, or they pretend they did, then they come here with some ammunition to spew some shit on the forums.

Some of them even tells us how stupid they are by straight up telling us how they behave inside the game world. They basically tell us they can't even handle the simplest of hints available. Here they point out that, how can anyone playing MMO's figure this out..- How will anyone that just bypasses all the dialogue, that is common in MMO's today, figure this out ? 

Can't people see that they make themself look stupid ? 

And yet they ALSO tells us that "almost 90 percent(Did see alot of  made up numbers on this) of the quests is "of common MMO type" kill 5 of that, fetch that etc. So with that they like to say that ::Ohh Look Funcom has no imagination, I told you so, didnt I..

I haven't played the beta, I would never do that in a game I'm certain I will play..

the things you need to hear is covered by articles from this site, such as the animations and poor sound effects, we don't need to hear it from some pimpled faced teen that joined the beta to free play , just because hes parents will NEVER pay for a monthly fee...So..They go into ALL betas , free playing for a couple of days, go on the forums and tell everyone what a failure this game will be..

I want the OLD days back when betas was "a testing ground" not some "poor marketing gimmick" for everyone to join, It's getting out of hand.

Originally posted by 190192

This is so fucking stupid... ofc it is a rpg. The people who tell you otherwise is just butt hurt becouse blizzard change their game. There is no rules that say that a rpg have too be open world. You chose a class, level up, pick talents and grind for gear.

 But...That is not an RPG..Just maybe a small fraction of a real RPG

Just because you choose talents and level up..and hmm..grind for gear..

Diablo franchise is a hack n slash game, since there is no story ..just loot drops and characther grinds..

Some may argue here that there is a STORY, but well there isn't really..The one that is told is really only "flair", nothing you say or do will ever matter in Diablo.