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Originally posted by murphys123

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Originally posted by linadragon

Specifically they want to blame video games and music and movies , tv and everything else they can because its easier to scapegoat a problem then it is for parents to admit that they arnt really good parents. These are the parents that go out and buy their kid's whatever the hell games they want then see said game on TV and freak out when they are the ones that bought it.
This happens because they dont use the ESRB rating that in in position and just lapse on their duties as a parent giving their kids whatever they want so they can sit them in front of a tv or computer and let that be the kid's babysitter. Basically if parents watch what their kids are doing these things have a very slim chance of happening. They will always point out what is easiest to scapegoat but the fact is as I have said before MMO's are no more a social Danger then going to your local bar or walking around your neighborhood at night. In fact in all likelihood your probably safer in an MMO.

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I am confused

You say they are just trying to use games as a scape goat and that there is no danger from video games. Then you say its the parents fault for letting their kids play video games...If there is no danger why should parents have to monitor what their kids play at all and why do we need an ESRB rating.

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I think parents still need to watch their kids even if the games dont pose as much of a social danger. In terms the ESRB is there for the parents to watch what their kids are doing. If a game is rated Teen dont buy it for an 8 year old, if its rated mature dont buy it for a 12 year old etc... This is what i mean by parents needing to watch their children. Check their game collections, check the games out when you buy them. Check the cases... If they toss the cases find the name look it up on the net or go to the local game shop...

I'm not saying that there is no danger at all from video games. As i said there is most certainly a social danger.... However violent games will not make people violent without there being something predisposed or preexisting within the person. Same with someone killing someone for money to play a MMO. There is clearly something wrong with the people in this light and most people dont want to admit their faults...

While there is a social danger somewhat as i said its not much worse then going to the local bar (in fact it could technically be considered safer...) I think more what im saying is if parents are not watching their kids they have no right at all to get mad about the content of the game...

Specifically they want to blame video games and music and movies , tv and everything else they can because its easier to scapegoat a problem then it is for parents to admit that they arnt really good parents. These are the parents that go out and buy their kid's whatever the hell games they want then see said game on TV and freak out when they are the ones that bought it.

This happens because they dont use the ESRB rating that in in position and just lapse on their duties as a parent giving their kids whatever they want so they can sit them in front of a tv or computer and let that be the kid's babysitter.  Basically if parents watch what their kids are doing these things have a very slim chance of happening. They will always point out what is easiest to scapegoat but the fact is as I have said before MMO's are no more a social Danger then going to your local bar or walking around your neighborhood at night. In fact in all likelihood your probably safer in an MMO.

Originally posted by Runefruit10

Here is another bashing of MMO's on FOX news. They mention a couple "MMO caused" killings, but why don't they mention peopled getting killed in car crashes every day and tell people not to drive cars. And, of course, they have to show pictures of WoW, the "media MMO". It's kinda weird that they metioned some old ones: Everquest, Ultima, and DAoC. That one about the chinese dude killing the guy for the WoW thing was funny though.

Well it really is bashing. There is something wrong with the kid or people that would kill for money to play a MMO and there are usually signs of something going on as i stated above. If parents would watch their kids and notice what they are doing alot of this wouldnt happen i can almost garuntee it... How about them reporting on real social dangers? Going to a bar and getting drugged. People pulling others off the street and raping them, kidnapping people, ID theft etc? Simply because games are an easy scapegoat and most parents dont want to admit they are at fault so they simply agree

Originally posted by todeswulf

Originally posted by Ionselon

 

A little two-year-old girl is dead.  Fox News didn't make that up.  The mother (if you can call her that) met the man, who she married, while playing WoW.  That man later killed the little girl .  Fox News didn't make that up.  And Fox News did not advocate locking down and monitoring the Internet.  The gist of the article is that you have to be as careful online as your are in real life.

 

In the Fox News headline, it specifically says that  the "Phenomenon Remains Rare".  I'll bet dollars to donuts that the vast majority of posters decrying the news article didn't even bother to read it.

Why are gamers so paranoid?  Why do you rant against articles you don't even bother to read.  Could it be that you fear the truth and are in self-denial?

I read Fox News every day and have found them to be the least biased of all the major news outlets.  Maybe you should take time out from gaming so much (not addicted are you?) and read about the world that is happening around you.  Read all the news outlets and then make up your own minds.  What have you got to lose except maybe a roll on the next uber item.

 

 Friend...you are wasting your breath.  You simply cannot reason with some people.  We had a Anti MMO group called Parents Concerned about WoW visit the High School I taught at.....They were alarmist, paranoid zealots. They were also the exact same people that came in the week before shilling for Al Gores and Inconvenient truth, and calling Bush the Anti- Christ.

 

 When you see Jack Thompson on any news show he is on CNN, CBS, or NBC. Ask Al Fraken what were the causes of Columbine and he will tell you Video Games and Guns.  I hear folks call fox evil, but ask them if they have ever read a single article or have watched a single program..they say no, or they point to some highly edited piece of crap on youtube.  It just goes to show how effective propaganda can be.

 

While there are social dangers no more so then going to a bar and meeting people. Jack Thompson would have people believe that mmorpg players and those that play video games are the antichrist if he could.  This is the mothers fault, as well as the step fathers fault in what you quoted. She could of gone to a bar and ended up with a guy that did the same exact stuff. Also the fact that she tried to help cover it up just proves that she is a bit loony to.

Getting down to it there is no more danger in MMO's then there is in the real world.  Playing WoW didnt make these people kill their baby something else did and there is obviously something severly wrong there. Yes they met in WoW but she could of met him at he bar down the street, at a gym or what have you its not going to make a difference in their behavior. 

What grinds my gears is that parents and/or otherwise educated people actually fall into this. Parents normally because they are to lazy to see what their kids are up to and then you have the educated people who just dont seem to grasp the concepts that the news will try to spin off stuff as being evil when it suits their needs.

Doesnt matter if the article was edited and they usually arnt since its a news broadcast taped and you can usually find the original... The fact of the matter is games and mmo's are no more a social danger then being in school or walking around your town at night or going to a bar and meeting someone for a drink. The only time thing become dangerous in either of these situations is if someone has preexisting problems. These arnt caused by simply playing MMO's and mmo's will not make people do crazy things if there isnt something wrong with them.

Its a given that these kind of reports show up because news places, politicians etc all have their own agendas and along with children's parents dont want to face the truth that there are in fact a whole slew of bad parents out there. Again the fact is most of the things that happen that they state being the fault of video games or music or whatever is usually the fault of society itself. As i said before bad parenting etc. There are usually signs something is wrong and if your preemptive and paying attention alot of things could be prevents that have happened...

Ok lets get down to brass tacks here with this the fact of the matter is if someone actually goes off and kills someone from playing a video game there is obviously another element that was there before hand. In all likelihood they have a mental problem or were brought up in a bad home or a violent household. Your normal person without problems knows to distinguish between games and reality or tv and reality.

Fact of the matter is they probably in all likelihood had some problems and exhibited warning signs but their parents, friends, teachers, peers and the like likely refused to acknowledge it. Many parents dont bother cuz they dont want to acknowledge that their kid has some kind of problems.... Anyways games, music, movies, and television dont cause people to go off and kill someone. Look into these people's medical background (yeah its privileged) but i can pretty much guarantee you that there is some red flags in their medical history and if not then the blame is really with the parents, peers, friends , teachers etc.... I've played violent games for years and I'm fine. I have only ever been violent if i needed to protect myself or someone else and then i try to resolve it without violence first.

Parenting and numerous other factors come into play with these things. Yes there are going to be wackos out there but no more so then your chances of walking down the street and getting mugged.