Originally posted by jerlot65

Originally posted by metalguy23

I can think of 100 reasons not to play sorry but its a borefest. I see alot of boxes being sold and millions of players dropping out due to boredom and burnout by Feb March then it will stablize at 100K subs then later in the yr or 2013 free to play. Bioware should learn that kill this get that do raid get gear is tiresome and a borefest nowadays. They should have thought of a better way to design the game voices and cutscenes get old fast. I found myself hitting spacebar about 100 times my thumb was hurting. The whole WOW gameplay is old and boring, reason why I am waiting for GW2 which is the only game that seems somewhat interesting and a step up from Guild Wars 1. Everything else is cookie cutter and boring, I dont mind themepark but shake it up and change it up a bit make it exciting again. Noone seems to have an idea how to do that but Arenanet with GW2 (I know I played it it's pretty amazing). I love Star Wars but not done like this next time EA should think hey lets have Bioware create a deep awesome RPG and name it Star Wars KOTOR 3 using a new engine or hell even using the Dragon Age origins engine with some better textures etc. Oh well they will live and learn I guess. 

 

 

Ahh GW's combat is much like wow.  i played it.  its not that revolutionary......... Keep dreaming buddy of a game that wont happen (at least not for a looooooonnnnggggggg time).  Or maybe you should just pick up a console game next time you need a video game fix.

 

Uhhhh he said GW2 not GW1... Combat differs in the two games widely... GW2 combat is pretty much nothing alike...

i dont know why people keep saying this really... if its a steamworks game it would force steam to be installed pretty much or should install it by default. What i said is a possible problem too..... Basically it breaks down to this. The game will not work if everything it needs to run including background apps and services is not installed, this may or may not include steam and it will definately include things like the C++ things however there are a number of things like the C++ libraries that are out there.... i'm almsot shocked that the installer on the cd wouldnt include it

like i said its the visual studio stuff *shrugs* so many people dont install this stuff but alot needs it to be installed to work, i have seen this error happen with WoW, and quite a few other games, applications and other things.

This is likely due to you missing some C++ library like things that the game needs to install in order to play visual studio or whatever.... there are a few things like that it would be but these can throw up errors for a crapload of stuff.... This may sound off but i do support for second life on the phoenix viewer... Go here http://wiki.phoenixviewer.com/doku.php?id=downloads and download lower on the page something called the Appfix download if you want either that or look up Visual Studio C++ 2005 SDK and other things like it and download and install them off of microsoft's site that should fix your problem....

The 560 and the like would be the better ideal here. the 5 series has better cooling in general than the 4 series and that tends to end up helping quite alot. :) To note i build my own computers and do quite a bit of research. While the GTX 560 Ti costs a little bit more (70 mor at most) it is a better card than the 460 is overall and it has a nicer overall cooling system in general vs the 400 series. I would reccomend it. 

I have a GTX 470 myself however the 560 Ti would be somewhere in between the 460 and 470 performance wise but you do get the added cooling. Now if your budget doesnt fit into the price range the 460 is still a very good buy.

Note you can get the 460 for about 160 and the 560 Ti for about 230 or so (i'd reccomend 240 as the price point for them to get a good brand...)

This is typically a problem due to you not having something installed that the program needs... You might try making sure you have the diff C++ redistributables and all that kind of stuff to make sure its not that and maybe check their official forums too to see if a fix is posted 

@Benthon &SpatterCat Something to keep in mind is that vindictus is not completely a peer to peer based system its a relay based peer to peer based system meaning it feeds through nexon's servers for the game which makes sure no one is making a hacked game since its p2p based and all... This is where most of the lag in the game seems to come from realistically, One day me and my friend will have 3-4 bars the next 1-2 (maybe 3 if lucky) cuz their servers have the same exact problem the korean version of the game does, The korean version resets daily for like an hour to combat the problem and if the NA version would adopt this alot of the lag would just go poof, as of yet though they havent instead the devs have asked us for reports which if they'd just log on for a day after maintenance they could see for themselves =/ 

Originally posted by spoonone

The only thing that I don't like about the game, is the coin system.  After Perilous Ruins you have to use coins to get into dungeons.  You get 50 silver coins to spend on the boats that takes to where ever you're going to, it takes 2 coins at first then 3 after 7 runs then 4 coins after 14 runs, so if have plenty of spare time, it will be gone after 4 or 5 hours. 

You either wait for coins to reset(Saturday, Tuesday and Thursday).  Or Pay to cash to do dungeons.  There are ways to get more silver coin free but you are better off to wait for the reset.

 

This is actually partially incorrect... Its Monday, Thursday and Saturday that the coins are reset (note that it really ends up gearing up tokens for the weekend) this happens at 10:00 AM pacific... Anyways the token system is one of their micro transaction deals. You can purchase platinum tokens and play longer or you can wait for the tokens to recharge either or. The Monday - Thursday stretch can be a pain but if you time it out right each day its not too too bad and if you really want to you can spend a little and play lots more... Spend 15 bucks a month and you get yourself about 80 platinum coins give or take on top of the silver coins if you really wanted to.... 

There are crimson coins as well which can be bought on the marketplace which people can buy (they cost a bit less than platinum coins do too but can be traded etc ) But ultimately its up to the player hehe. That 15 a month can really just balance out to an extra 80 runs if you really want it to and the like on top of what you'd get for free :)

Originally posted by Castillle

Yes its based on where the leader is.  So please make sure to pick east or west coast depending on where you are lol.  Central people who have bad connections to both east and west just pick depending on which youre closer to (most central people tend to go to east to my experience)

 

Also, you can just make your own room and you wont lag:) everyone else will though.

 

Actually no its not completely based around where the leader is *sighs* this is a misconception by some people.... Its a relay p2p setup -_- meaning  the host uploads to vindictus servers and then vidncitus outputs somewhat to other players... still using the persons connection but it traverses through a server prior to this. Sadly where lag ends up coming up is there seems to be a memory leak both in the NA and Korean versions of the server code base that the korean version of the game fixed by doing a daily restart (not a solution really cuz it doesnt fix the underlying problem but relieves the memory leak or whatever day to day...) if you will notice prime time on a maintenance day when its on time is still packed with about the same amount of people... but doesnt suffer the same lag as it does the day after... 

There are ways they can fix this and really should examine why its happening ultimately but... if they adopt the korean method in the interim and reset at some point during the night we should get some alleviation from the lag. One can only hope they realize it though..... Prime example here of it being the relay server. I play with my friend often just me and this one other person in the room. Day maintenance hits they will get 4 -5 bars from me and vice versa... Day after maintenance 1-2 maybe 3 bars if lucky... Go from a pristine connection one day to a pos the next with the same connection no changes etc. Their relay server is either overloaded and needs and upgrade or is suffering a memory leak and needs to be fixed. Like i said the korean version does resets daily to alleviate it *shrugs* lets hope nexon wises up

Originally posted by KyutaSyuko

Originally posted by Drmedina

Hey Guys almost the same question. I know I am a bit behind the curve for this so any help would be great. And I am by no means a computer guy so most of this is rubish to me but i can make the upgrades by ording the part and taking them into a computer shop or buying them at the shop so that wont be the issue.

 

I current have

Ram 4.00 Gb

Windows Vista 32bit

AMD athlon II x2 250 proccesor 3.01Ghs

Nvidia Geforce 6150se Nforce 430

 

I did the bench mark and it gave me a score of 98 three times in a row any tips on what to upgrade and what to upgr4ade it with would be great. thanks again guys hope to see you on.

You need to upgrade your Video Card and maybe even your PSU.  A 260/275 or a 460+ GeForce seem to run the game pretty well.  At least those are the ones people say they're using and getting good Frame Rate.  Other then that you should be good.  Also, as strange as it may seem, people are claiming to get better frame rates at higher resolutions and in full screen mode rather then windowed.  How much better tends to differ between people/machines.

I had to use my machines highest resolution in the beta or i'd get lower frame rates and had to run in full screen too. It actually made quite a bit of difference, The Process and Ram this guy are runn are fine but as you said The Video card is lacking. 

Judging by the overall build i will guess its a prebuilt from a company like HP and thus he would need to get a new power supply too. Luckily Nvidia has made the 4xx series cards smaller so they would likely be the reccomended ones to get . the 260 - 285 are 10.5 inches where as the 450 comes in at 8.25, 460 at 8.25 as well, The 465 is 9.5 as is the 470 and the 480 is 10.5, the 460 should run FfXIV well and it should fit most cases still unless its a slim line in which case would need to check into that further.  

if its a custom built and uses a full tower or a gaming mid tower it might be able to fit the 10.5 inch cards in its all variable. 

@Regomar 

Not everyone knew about Mythos way back when and there wasnt a ton of information out and about and some people may want a refresher that is more current with some gameplay videos and the like. Mythos as it was was an alpha/beta product and i'm sure this company has made some technical fixes for things like particle effects slowing down things (even though the last itteration of mythos did have some fixes to help with this it wasnt all done) Yes alot of us knew this stuff already but no reason to get uppity that its not news to some people :D
 

Originally posted by GrubbsGrady

Thank you very much everyone, this has been very helpful.

I will not be overclocking anything, I don't know anything about that sort of thing and don't want to get into something I don't know how to get out of. I will also not be running crossfire cards, just a single 5870 is what I plan to do.

Well a 500 watt would be enough if it were a  better 500 watt, the reason that you hear most people say its dangerous is because there is no real standard for efficiency practices in the Power Supply world unless of course something is 80+ certified of which there are varying levels which are essentially 80+ (80% efficiency) 80+ bronze (82%)  80+ Silver (85%) Gold (87%) and Platinum around 90% so a good power supply these days is 80+ rated for the most part...

Originally posted by Disdena

I have a 5850 and I'm just using the 500W EarthWatts PSU that came with the case. It's been fine for the past 9 months. If you're not overclocking and you don't have a bunch of other devices sucking away the power, I wouldn't worry about using a 500W supply (as long as it's a good one).

This is somewhat true, Like i said it depends on the 12v rails alot too and the overall efficiency of the power supply as well. Judging by the fact thermaltake only makes 1 500 watt model and its 72% efficiency with a 25a and 18a volt rating on the 12v rails (it has 2...) i'd wager something like the 650 watts modular or non modular or the 750 watts would be better and more stable overall

Originally posted by imlazyxd

You should get a power supply 600 and above. I recommend 750+ since its always important to not let you power supply work loads at 100%, it totally kills it...

By that end my own reccomendation would be this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006 or the power supply i use myself http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139010 both are fantastic and will work really well

This of course is subjective hehe i'd personally go with the corsair modular or not but they are a very good power supply company. I do prefer modular designed myself due to cable management and the like though but its really variable by what you are willing to spend to get, there is a 600w modular for 99 on newegg as well from coolermaster.  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171036 again though depends if he crossfires or a single card too we are reccomending based on the single card assumption hehe

Originally posted by RogueSeven

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005

get that one and you'll be safe...the 500w is assuming you are at a bare minimum in your system (like, 2 fans, 1 hard drive, mid range processor, etc)

This is a good reccomendation as would be http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182101 if he prefers a modular design. 

This really depends on the 12 volt rails and the like. I can make some recommendations though sure if you give me a price range and are inside the US. I built my computer myself so just a heads up that i know what i'm doing here too and use a video card that may have a higher power draw than the 5870 (not 100% sure if it does or not...) I can make a reccomendation though, need to know if you plan on crossfire or not etc as well

A t1 connection costs a few hundred bucks a month so the math is ridiculous really, a Killer NIC is like 90-100 bucks at most maybe a little more with shipping :P

Originally posted by Thomas2006

Actually there is hard evidence that a standalone NIC provides better latency then a onboard nic.  Actually I have tested this myself using my motherboards nic and then disabling it and using a standalone expansion card.  The difference in between 30ms to 40ms.  With onboard any type of heavy activity on the machine your latency is going to increase 2 fold sometimes even more so depending on what is going on. If your doing blueray decoding with software thats uses all your CPU's core then your network stack is going to get pushed to the bottom of the priority in the processing list.

 

Try playing AOC on high with a onboard nic and then put in a expansion card and try it. Monitor the latency via ingame tools or by running Ventrilo off to the side.  I can almost grantee you will notice a difference in ping.

Obevesly the Killer Nic cards are not going to fix ISP issues. They will however fix issues caused by your machine itself. And believe it or not your machine can be the difference betwen 30ms ping and a 130ms ping.

Also a bigger pipeline (connection) does not fix anything if you are not running into the limits of your connection.

This goes to what i was saying though really... Its ultimately down to the person's computer and all really. My ping is typically never above 100 maybe sometimes depending on the distance of the connection and all. The point is that a stand alone NIC vs say a Killer NIC like this here is packet prioritization based on applications and you can set it and all, thats the only real plus to it over a stand alone NIC, and you can save yourself almost 60 bucks getting just a stand alone.

Originally posted by Arulin

Ok, hate to crash on this bashfest, Sylvene got a point. Here a nice list of bottlenecks that cuase lag:

 

Harddrive (if you are not running SSD or SCSI 160 your a lag bag)

Video card (not running at least a a card with 512 of ddr2 , welcome to being a lag bag)

On-board NICs (F MOTHER LAG BAG)

AND THE KING OF LAG .... DSL or Cable period, shell out for a t1 or go as far as a OC48 if you want to do 40 vs 40 battlegrounds in WoW without a lick of lag. If you can shell for a killer high-end nic then you can afford a T1. Get something that the killer can actural excel on.

Clearly a troll we have here it would seem, 

Hard drives will cause load times to increase but will not do much for causing lag period its data fetching and the like and once things are properly loaded nothing should be seen as far as lag until you go through a bloody portal or something that involves a load screen.

Video card memory is subjective to Monitor Resolution and the actual aspects of the cards, I ran WoW fine back in the day on a 6800 GS and they upgraded some shader based things so now it runs better on higher end cards yes and 512 is a good reccomendation but higher than that itself is very very subjective unless you are running a huge ass monitor.

On board NIC's cause very very little in the way of actual lag if the rest of the components inside the computer (mainly the CPU) do not suck, I will typically have a ping of 90 or lower and i'm using onboard and my system is good.

Oh please to this last point, DSL and Cable are both fine, DSL tends to be more expensive for lower speeds (god knows why) and Cable depending on the actual network its on its actually quite good (my cable company is a fiber network to the pole and then copper to the house) This works fine and i'm running a 10 Meg connection. 

T1 is often slower on the download side and faster upload and unless you are running a server that faster upload really wont be seen, or unless you are doing torrent crap,  Speed of a t1 line is typically slower or the same speed as DSL on the download side coming in at 1.5 Megs, 

And we wont even get into OC48 the costs to install it alone range in the hundred's of thousands of dollars and then 3,000 - 5000 dollars a month which is 36,000 - 60,0000 a year which is what a good chunk of middle class people make.

So none of these things are really are good recommendations realistically unless your rich and can afford to blow at least 135 grand in the first year if not more, Nor are these recommendations really astute if you have a decent computer/connection to begin with, onboard nic's and soundcards have come a ways some even having thx certifications for onboard sound. 

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Now to stuff at hand with this card in general... These are not worth the money unless you really have a need for that tiny tiny bit lower ping, which realistically if you actually look at the reviews was maybe an 8 ms ping difference. This is of course assuming you have a stable onboard NIC or a stable NIC in the pci or pci-e slot to begin with or a stable connection. Yes it may of helped this guy but his onboard NIC could be a problem so it is a distinct possibility that any NIC would of helped out in this situation. 

Packet prioritization is the only real necessity for an NIC to be able to do and a good router will already be doing this for you so there should be no need for it over any decent NIC and Router, It does what a good router does plane and simple *shrugs a bit* for those that have no need for a good router though i suppose it could be a good investment, 

Also i agree with you hawkblade that onboard nic's are pushed to the cpu but at the same time there are less costly alternatives that will work well if done right (most people should have a router realistically but we wont get into all that...) This will help people yes, its not a necessity though and wont help certain systems all that much if at all really. I for one have never seen an issue running onboard NIC's or high pings unless i was torrenting or something went haywire in the program running (ie something staying open that shouldnt of been...) 

I think its down to utilization of overall system resources really, people with a heavy cpu load are likely going to see a bigger improvement than say me running a core i7 860 which alot of stuff doesnt take a huge advantage of to begin with. I'd say given the price range of some other NIC's its kind of in the mid range but pushing the 2 port design cost with its original price point, 

Is it worth it to some people yes, is it worth it to everyone out there where a 30 dollar NIC would suffice? No