Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by Xthos

I think the cross server LFG tool is the worst, I am not a big fan of the tool as it is, but if it was atleast confined to the server you play on, it would better.....Sure the cross server type may be quick to get the group, but I think you sacrifice your server community in the process.

 

I think multiples things ruin the community, the move to everyone can solo most content, with railed quest hubs isn't doing much for it either.

 

I don't care about a server community. The game community is bigger and better. Why restrict to a single server? If the goal is to make friends, have a bigger pool.

Cross server LFG tool is the best. In fact, it would be even better to have cross GAME lfg tool. At least we have some cross game social tools like friend list.

It's bigger, but being better is your opinion. Smaller communities are better for some people and the social dynamics are more interesting, because people know each other, and everybody can't just do what they want if they want to be respected by other players. Cross-server system breaks the social dynamics, there's nothing anymore, you just have random chats with people you probably don't meet again, which is cool too, but it doesn't mature and evolve the social circle. I don't think the goal is to make more and more friends. Some friends are made, but sometimes you make enemies too and sometimes something between. To me though, the cross-server LFG system is not good even for making "friends", it doesn't promote anykind of social interaction.

Odd way to think about it.... I think the interesting and fun part is to find those more or less efficient ways doing the "grind". It requires people are forced to do the "grind". That forcing is actually fun, because it wouldn't even be game if it didn't force some sort of rules on you. People probably stop playing the game if the "grind" isn't fun to at least some extent, or at least should. Many would probably use the skipping method, but that's just because it happens to be the fastest route to the goal, but it doesn't mean they wouldn't enjoy the grind and that they won't regret skipping. It's easy to take that route, but it's rarely fulfilling. The skipping method breaks the game.

Originally posted by destro521

Originally posted by Kobao

Originally posted by destro521

Im spending this much money because i am currently studying a cert4 in digital and interactive games design and will be following a career path in either game design or software developement and would not like to have to upgrade a year or two down the line.

 

Im also using an old dell alienware to fit my needs and isnt really cutting it, and with the fact that dell voids warranty apon upgrades and over-prices their graphics upgrades then i feel that i need to break away from dell and build a computer that will last me for as long as possible

 

Do you have a quality monitor? I don't know what's the lastest... high resolution IPS panel or the sort possbily with some sort or arm to pivot it and move it around. That's what you need to put money into. Possibly second cheaper monitor. Then chair and table that allow ergonomical sitting position, if you don't have them. Then mechanical keyboard that suits you. Then decent audio system. Then you can think about the rig, but it definitely doesn't require that much money, like everyone said. Almost everytime someone wants to take their PC up a notch for the first time, they go overboard and focus on completely wrong things. Also it's not wise to spend much on high end parts, because they lose value with incredible speed and you're better off upgrade every 3 years or so, which doesn't mean full upgrade. I don't know do you have power supply figured out, but hopefully you realize that is the most important part, that also trasfers to next upgrade well. I don't know about those cases, they look ridiculous to be honest, so I'm not expecting their function to be best, I may be wrong. I assume you chose them by looks.

 

Sorry to be frank, but people do this same mistake again and again. Some experienced people advise them and then either they reconsider their build and come up with something more reasonable, or they feel insulted and don't listen at all and waste their money, but probably won't regret though because they don't know any better so I don't know if there's that much harm done. I suggest you go to some better site than MMORPG for finding advice. There's plenty of them, Google helps.

I picked the case based on high airflow but after reading the thread i am thinking of maybe goign down to a 660 or 670, the reason it costs alot is because im ordering the parts in australia and the prices are substantially higher in some parts, i have a 23" 1080p monitor currently and will be using my 7.1 surround headset for  my audio im going with a 750 watt power supply, a razer deathstalker keyboard and i should have rephrased my introductory post as i am getting it custom built as i am paying for half the price and my dad is paying the other half so he deosnt want me wasting his money on me trying to build a computer and then breaking the components. i have the chair, the table which are erganomical. Could you suggest some cases for me to look into? im also getting 2 Barracuda 2tb HDD's and a 120GB SSD for the OS drive, i admit i should have included all of this when i first asked the question,  i have just been stressed and losing sleep over this thats all.

I may have been quick to judge then. Make sure you are getting quality power supply though, 750W means nothing if it's low quality. Lower quality ones are also annoyingly noisy. I've had power supply fail and it took rest of the rig with it and second time I regretted buying bit too powerless one, which I couldn't transfer to my new upgraded rig. You should check out some better forum for this stuff, people are more upto date with stuff there and can figure out a more bang-for-buck build (but still well powerful enough for you). They know better about the cases as well. I don't know what's suitable, propably hardforum.com.

And it's good to lose few sleep over it and think it through, before wasting money. That's the process most people go before buying something bigger (unless they have too much money). There's a lot of other cool things to spend money on.

Never upgrade graphic card before you actually, really need to (like experience notable performance issues with the games you actively play and really need to crank full graphics). Even then, it's good to look at used graphic card. SSD is one of the better ideas to get into your PC, if you need to have something.  I'm also wondering whether that large SSD is necessary, when you have HDD's for storage, at least you don't need the more expensive one. Better yet, travel somewhere nicer for a week, and forget about the number crunching hardware.

Originally posted by destro521

Im spending this much money because i am currently studying a cert4 in digital and interactive games design and will be following a career path in either game design or software developement and would not like to have to upgrade a year or two down the line.

 

Im also using an old dell alienware to fit my needs and isnt really cutting it, and with the fact that dell voids warranty apon upgrades and over-prices their graphics upgrades then i feel that i need to break away from dell and build a computer that will last me for as long as possible

Do you have a quality monitor? I don't know what's the lastest... high resolution IPS panel or the sort possbily with some sort or arm to pivot it and move it around. That's what you need to put money into. Possibly second cheaper monitor. Then chair and table that allow ergonomical sitting position, if you don't have them. Then mechanical keyboard that suits you. Then decent audio system. Then you can think about the rig, but it definitely doesn't require that much money, like everyone said. Almost everytime someone wants to take their PC up a notch for the first time, they go overboard and focus on completely wrong things. Also it's not wise to spend much on high end parts, because they lose value with incredible speed and you're better off upgrade every 3 years or so, which doesn't mean full upgrade. I don't know do you have power supply figured out, but hopefully you realize that is the most important part, that also trasfers to next upgrade well. I don't know about those cases, they look ridiculous to be honest, so I'm not expecting their function to be best, I may be wrong. I assume you chose them by looks.

Sorry to be frank, but people do this same mistake again and again. Some experienced people advise them and then either they reconsider their build and come up with something more reasonable, or they feel insulted and don't listen at all and waste their money, but probably won't regret though because they don't know any better so I don't know if there's that much harm done. I suggest you go to some better site than MMORPG for finding advice. There's plenty of them, Google helps.

If you focus on few flaws, like Ringside, of course it will suck. I find it refreshing that it's not too polished game, keeps things interesting. I don't see anything wrong with the UI. I've seen about every game's UI being called crappy, but I haven't agreed once. It's just matter of getting used to it, and a little characterful UI is bit more fun. Class balance is completely irrelevant at this point really, and bit unbalance is again, refreshing.

Beta is also beta, but I think it is completely playable right now, if you can tolerate some stability issues.

Eador - Genesis

Dota 2

Asheron's Call 2

Would also want to try Dark Souls, Chivalry, King of Fighters XIII, Wipeout HD and 360 shmups, but don't have the hardware.

Also very secretly want to try play EVE and Wurm, but am not hardcore enough.

I feel the price point actually should stay bit higher now that F2P is getting more popular.  Monthly fee becomes more associated with niche and "hardcore" games, and they need more money (and stable money) from each player to stay in business. F2P is for the mass market, a lot of Asia as well. The games are crafted more like Facebook games, something that focuses on reward elements and is as accessible as possible. Monthly fee games can focus on immersive, social experiences with deeper gameplay etc, stuff that is stimulating for the "real" nerds. I think this is what is happening now, and why there's isn't too many satisfying games for some people on the market. We didn't have target market outside of the nerds before (other than maybe RP preferring nerds, PvP preferring nerds etc), less demanding players is a newer thing.

5$ falls too much in between, may work for some. Isn't Runescape membership like that much? They have decent F2P experience first to suck people in though. I'm not upto date with that info. For most devs... think about it. Do you want to ask 5$ or 15$ month? That's a huge difference in potential income, but not necessarily much of a difference in the eyes of the target market. It's very little money taking into account how much time some people spend on these games, for some they are a substitute for the reality they are not content with. Perhaps the magic number will be 10$, but just not 5$. Then again, who wants to ask 10 instead of 15? Might as well ask 15. 15 is the comfortable standard of the current indurstry. if you go cheaper, you pretty much have to go all the way to F2P and think the monetizaiton from whole different angle.

Heh, you're pretty determined huh. I forgot my account's name on this site so had to create new one. This is pretty off the wall suggestion, but as your taste is similar and I also haven't been satisfied with any MMORPG, or any game in general for a good while, may I suggest trying out Dota 2. At first it seemed like poor mans RTS game, but once it opened up a bit to me, it clicked right away, and I haven't felt so in long time. It's the cooperative gameplay with comfortable level of strategical depth, it gives me the WoW 5 man vanilla and TBC dungeon and small scale PvP feel. Countless of characters (heroes) to choose from, and that is perfect for me as ex-altoholist, as I can re-roll after every game. People seem to be social, at least if you start socializing. Not MMORPG by any means, but it can substitute some of the fundamental elements of MMORPG's, or at least today's MMORPG's.

Other than that, IMO Wurm is potentially quite cool, but takes too much time for me. Would get deeper into that otherwise, I'm sure the community is great. For you this might be very interesting game, I feel.

I'm checking out Asheron's Call 2 now that it is possible. Sounds fun. Maybe of interest for you?