Originally posted by Alders

Originally posted by Purutzil

Psst, just fyi to all people saying the game is terrible or a 'flop', its staying p2p in korea and remains one of the most popular MMOs in Asia.  Its simply put, 'to hardcore' for western gamers. Just because its 'hardcore' doesn't mean its bad. All the little ones here just can't take it, they need their bib and bottle from all the big western games to give them everything rather then having to spend time on getting things.

Trolling aside, its still a extremely popular game. While it wasn't as big with its western audience (damn us for needing things handed to us so much), it is sure to recieve plenty of big content updates. Even as f2p its sure to get tons of big updates. The F2P model doesn't seem too bad, but its something I really would need to see after release for how it goes. I'll likely play  the game against for the skae it was fun to me while I played it.

 

Oh and Aion is a good example why companies "Westernize" games today.

 It's not hardcore. Mindless grind and horrible RNG is not hardcore. Grinding the same fucking area from 45-50 is not hardcore.  A 2 faction PVP game just doesn't work regardless if it's FTP or not.

^ This.  Why would I waste my time with that again, plus deal with the bots.  Free or not, it's just not worth it.

People still watch CopsTV?  I wasn't aware that this station was still somehow valid to gamers... or to anyone else.

Originally posted by FuryV

Jesus Christ, wtf can anybody here do?  Quit your complaining which isn't gonna get you anywhere, & instead contact customer support.  Simple.  Do you really need somebody to tell you that?

Complaining here allows him to rage in rightous indignition before a crowd of those with no prior experience with the game.

Other than that?  Nothing.

Hey OP, "beta".  I know, right?  The humanity of it all, something not working as it should during a beta test.  Truly we should go forth as a mob with pitch forks and torches and publicy castrate them for their terrible account security.  We must save the peasants from the hackathon that will so clearly plague us upon the release of SWTOR.

/dripping with sarcasm

/spoken in dry-eyes commercial guy's voice

I only got my test character to about level 11 (hello Error Code 1, how YOU do'n? You do'n pretty good? That's nice) , and played a consular (which is not terribly interesting up to this level).

Anyway, the light / dark side choices that I encountered were fairly mundane.  The most memorable was choosing to not "tell on" two padawans who were romantically involved.  Note that this was not such a simple quesiton, due to reasons that I won't explicitly state... but you DO get a yellow color stone out of it.

side note:  Color stones for light sabers DO have stats, they're not just cosmetic.  In this case, the stat is +3 to a stat versus the +1 that the default stone provides... if I remember the numbers correctly.

I had other LS / DS questions pop up, but they didn't seem to make a lot of sense so I didn't choose them.  Nothing about killing people, certainly, but I don't expect much at these low levels.

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Originally posted by antonatsis

 

many people will not take your opinion seriously if you consider WoW launch as an A+ or even saying it was better than RIFT lauch.Even RIFT haters say that the game was one of the abysmal MMOs with a solid launch.

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Yeah. I skipped passed his entire post after seeing that, and went directly to reading the responses.

Also, Rift's release state was pretty sweet, in terms of technical performance, stability, and such. That said, yes, I wouldn't give Rift any TP if it were stuck in the bathroom on the night of a first date, but that's another topic... heh.

For once, I'm uncertain about my interest in an MMO beta.  As others have said that they would do, I could always play a class that I have the least interest in... but I dunno, ya know?  I kind of want it all to be a fresh, new experience.  No bias, no preconceptions, no pre-information.  Just a clean slate - aside from previous MMO experience, of course.

Previously my attitude was that I'd have to get in for free before I put money down on it.  I've decided to give it  fair shake, and heck, I haven't had good luck with MMOs lately anyway (here's looking at you, Raid: Dungeons of Telara).  May as well.  At least I'll be there for a slice of MMO history.

Originally posted by VirusDancer

Originally posted by DLangley

Lets cut out the baiting and personal attacks.

Unfortunately, was not the OP's OP a personal attack against everybody that has found some fault in RIFT?

The OP's OP states there is absolutely nothing wrong with RIFT... any issues anybody might have, whatever those issues might be... it is not RIFT, it is the person.

Seconded.  The OP's post was baiting, at best, and flat out insulting at worse.

Originally posted by PukeBucket

RIFT feels samey. That's it.

There's nothing wrong with me. The Hero Engine was designed to allow dev groups churn out wow-clones. RIFTs proof it works in spades.

Oh, but didn't you know?  When a lot of people don't like a game, it's all the fault of those people.  It's not the game.  The game's perfect.  We silly customers / players don't know what we like, or we simply don't understand the genius behind their Vision(tm)!

Yes, I am being disgustingly sarcastic but there are, apparently, people who actually think this way.

Never you mind the huge background advertisment saying "PLAY FOR FREE", or the email begging us to come back to the game at 40% off the subscription price.

Originally posted by gaou

Originally posted by Mysk

Originally posted by GMan3

Originally posted by Mysk

Originally posted by Chieftan

Why do these SE boxes always have a doll packed in with them??  Of all things to pay extra for I just can't understand the reasoning behind it.

They're pretty spiffy to sit on your desk, and collectors, who buy the collector's editions, enjoy having something to display.  Ex., I still have my Firiona Vie figure from the Planes of Power expansion, and she's in brand new condition.

    I'm not really interested in the statue either, but I can see why many people would be.  Being a reader and lover of classical music it's the Journal and CD that interested me.  Everything else is just icing on the cake.

Agreed, those are pretty good extras to look forward to, too.  I'm wondering if the journal will expand on the timeline, since it's stopped (for now) on the website.

The soundtrack will be great, too, and there's something to be said about having the CD.  I was enjoying some SW music earlier (I love that Binary Sunset piece).  I do expect the soundtrack to be on torrent sites the day that the CE touches doorsteps, though.

To be honest, I wish that the statue wasn't of such an ugly character.  I get that he's the big bad evil guy, but I think that Satele Shan, Vette (everyone loves the Twi'leks), Jewl'a (looks pretty bad @$%), or Darth Jadus (evil tough guy without being so darn ugly) would be better picks.  Come to think of it, they don't have many cool looking guys in their current list of public biographies. XD

personally i would have liked it if it had been this one that they had sold for a limited time

its Shae Vizla, the bounty hunter from the Decieved Trailer(and mostly recently seen in the Signs of War trailer a couple weeks ago)

Oh, man.  I missed that, but I agree.  That would have been great to get with the CE. :)  I see from their website that they have a mini-bust still available.

Originally posted by Zefire

I have already the shae vizsla statue and i can say it's pretty awesome and im not paying a monthly fee to keep her lol.  {{snip}}

I just wanted to mention that they don't take the collector's edition stuff away fi you cancel, so we won't be paying a monthly fee to keep the CE figure or other bits. ^_~  The price of the CE is very nearly the price of the company's figures, so another way to look at it is that you're buying the figure and they're tossing in some extra stuff along with it, like the game, art book, so forth.

Originally posted by GMan3

Originally posted by Mysk

Originally posted by Chieftan

Why do these SE boxes always have a doll packed in with them??  Of all things to pay extra for I just can't understand the reasoning behind it.

They're pretty spiffy to sit on your desk, and collectors, who buy the collector's editions, enjoy having something to display.  Ex., I still have my Firiona Vie figure from the Planes of Power expansion, and she's in brand new condition.

    I'm not really interested in the statue either, but I can see why many people would be.  Being a reader and lover of classical music it's the Journal and CD that interested me.  Everything else is just icing on the cake.

Agreed, those are pretty good extras to look forward to, too.  I'm wondering if the journal will expand on the timeline, since it's stopped (for now) on the website.

The soundtrack will be great, too, and there's something to be said about having the CD.  I was enjoying some SW music earlier (I love that Binary Sunset piece).  I do expect the soundtrack to be on torrent sites the day that the CE touches doorsteps, though.

To be honest, I wish that the statue wasn't of such an ugly character.  I get that he's the big bad evil guy, but I think that Satele Shan, Vette (everyone loves the Twi'leks), Jewl'a (looks pretty bad @$%), or Darth Jadus (evil tough guy without being so darn ugly) would be better picks.  Come to think of it, they don't have many cool looking guys in their current list of public biographies. XD

Originally posted by Chieftan

Why do these SE boxes always have a doll packed in with them??  Of all things to pay extra for I just can't understand the reasoning behind it.

They're pretty spiffy to sit on your desk, and collectors, who buy the collector's editions, enjoy having something to display.  Ex., I still have my Firiona Vie figure from the Planes of Power expansion, and she's in brand new condition.

Originally posted by gaou

Typical low key fanfriday

http://www.swtor.com/news/news-article/20111021-1

http://www.swtor.com/news/news-article/20111021-0

http://www.swtor.com/news/news-article/20111021

 

however i must say this is a pretty amazing piece of fanart and kudos to him/her

 

That's fan art?  Duuude, respect.

This was so incredibly creepy to watch. O_o

I wasn't aware of the Thailand floods.  Lots of natural butt kicking going on out there lately.

Anyway, I would suggesting being patient.  If the OP is in the states, then he has "Black Friday" coming up.  There should be some good deals at that time.  From there you have the Christmas shopping season, hopefully with more deals.

It will be tight to fit hardware in at about $300.  Waiting for those holiday deals may be the best idea since you're on a tight budget.

I do think that it can be done, though.  This system at Newegg, while outside of your price range, is close enough and has new enough hardware that you probably have a chance to get what you're after.

Good luck, and if you can wait, I really recommend it.  Those sale prices can be straight up steals at times.

Originally posted by WishMeister

http://www.play.com/Games/PC/4-/15453909/Final-Fantasy-XIV/Product.html?searchtype=allproducts&searchsource=0&searchstring=final+fantasy+xiv&urlrefer=search

 

5.90€ at play.com

That's a very nice price.

The buddy code worked, btw.

Originally posted by Jimmac

This game is the antithesis of the last hope for me. Based on all information known to me at the moment, it is very much opposite of what I look for in an mmo. So you speak for many, but not for all.

Even if SWTOR is a failure, I don't see it affecting the niche mmo market. Indie developers just need to realize that there are a ton of people exactly like me waiting for a great mmo to come along, that isn't like SWTOR in the obvious ways. We're still waiting, and the success or failure of SWTOR won't affect that.

^ This.  Wow, the drama in the OP's title is amazing.  I expect SW:TOR to "fail" in that I do not look for it to be nearly as successful as everyone thinks that it will be.  I've seen too many "me too" copy cat game play elements.  The game looks laughably animated and completely unoriginal.  All of the voice acting in the world isn't going to change the core game play, and the MMO genre is moving toward dynamic game play.  Thank goodness.

SW:TOR is a dinosaur MMO design with strong single player elements.  It will be a brief novelty for those who wish to play through the single player compaign (the "personal story" arc), and are willing to pay out a monthly charge and grind the levels between the story arcs to do so.

Meh.  SW:TOR failing will have no significant impact.

edit: nevermind. If this still works, I managed to get a buddy code. G'day all.

Sounds to me like the others were trying to solo, or something very similar to that style of game play.  On the one hand I would say that they deserve to fail, but on the other, it would really suck to be on their team.

Not that I'm ever going to play this game.

Originally posted by romanator0

I have a great idea for this thread.

Everyone that is in favor of removing anonymity should change their avatar to a picture of themselves, their forum names to their real names and put their personal information in their signatures.

Then we can see how well removing anonymity actually works.

This is an absolutely fantastic idea, sir.  I think that the mods should support this and change the forum handles of all parties who have expressed favor for this idea.

Of course, we'll also need a higher quality photo of them in their profile along with the rest of their personal information.

Yeah, of course.

At $10 per month (six month founder's pricing) it's a good middle ground at a price that I feel is reasonable for MMOs.  Personally I don't expect any of the big MMOs* to be released before the end of the year.  That six months will get me half way there.  That's not too shabby at this price tag.

After that?  Who knows.  I'll most likely be bored with Rift and we'll probably have another 7 or 8 months after that before any good information** is released.  I'll just have to wait and see, but that's then so I'll think about it when I get there.

* I see the (potentially) big MMOs to be: World of Darkness, GW2, Secret World, Tera, & SW:TOR

** What is "good information"?  IMO, it's info that is not filtered through the bias of PR, fanboi fanaticism, or one-sided haters.