Originally posted by Furyus

Are there any FPS forums where people acuse every new FPS of being a clone of some other highly successful FPS such as people do here with "WoW clone" ??

 

I'm just so confused by that statement all the time. MMO has become a genre... things are going to be similar from one title to the next. It's unavoidable.

Personally as a gamer who played this genre heaviest in mid to late 90's I always looked forward to the day when I had more than a handful of games to choose from. Back then it was like maybe 4 or 5 mainstream western titles and perhaps 10-15 asian titles. It was like Christmas anytime you found a new game to mess around on but now everyone is so... spoiled.

 

 

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Well geez.  Sorry to the lot of you that replied with the definition of the word 'clone' or to those that gathered from my post that my blood pressure was elevated,  I was throwing a fit or that I was confused by the actual word.

Honestly I just wanted to know if other players from other genres do the same thing.  Just looking for a little discussion.

Now I'm confused about people who reply to posts with answers to questions that were never asked.  Hmm.

Are there any FPS forums where people acuse every new FPS of being a clone of some other highly successful FPS such as people do here with "WoW clone" ??

I'm just so confused by that statement all the time. MMO has become a genre... things are going to be similar from one title to the next. It's unavoidable.

Personally as a gamer who played this genre heaviest in mid to late 90's I always looked forward to the day when I had more than a handful of games to choose from. Back then it was like maybe 4 or 5 mainstream western titles and perhaps 10-15 asian titles. It was like Christmas anytime you found a new game to mess around on but now everyone is so... spoiled.

Blah.

Moved topic to The Pub.

AC2 EMU.  That's your only option and it's not great.

This thread is awesome.  I hope the fifteen of you who failed at the mocking / sarcasm in the title aren't breeding...

(Yes I resurrected a very dead thread listed under a very dead game simply because it was hilarious...)

Originally posted by popinjay

 

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Originally posted by Furyus

 

Perhaps just perhaps the world might take a look at history and realize only one western MMO has accomplished this.  Maybe it isn't mean to happen repeatedly?  Pre WOW the average player base of any given game was 100-300k.  It wasn't unusual or bad business.
 

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While its true what you said about "pre-Wow" success, you forget one important factor. The pre-Wow economy was in a totally different place than today. It was not uncommon for people to run two or three subs on different MMOs at the same time back then. The fees were cheaper and the economy and stock market was in great shape. People weren't losing their jobs and then their homes.

Nowadays, there isn't that much extra money around. People will sub one game, but how many will sub two and three games anymore? Especially when they don't perform as they advertised? People leave games in good times just because they are broken. In bad times, its even easier to make that decision, which is what we've seen with Warhammer. Maybe they once had 800k subs, but 500k people (or more depending on January figures) decided not to keep their sub running and either they stopped WAR due to economic reasons, boredom, brokenness or another game... they didn't come back.

The world is a different place now economically, so any "pre-Wow" numbers don't apply, but you see this thrown around as an excuse constantly.

What?

Back then??  You mean 98-2004 before WOW?  The world isn't that different a place.

Anyone who has lost a job or a home probably isn't paying for even one sub but ok.

Bad economy doesn't trickle down as hard as some people seem to believe it does.  Short of relying on investments as your source of income or all out loss of job, a bad stock market doesn't effect a 25 year old like myself who has been with his employer for 2 or 3 years.  I'm still being paid as usual and any investments I have are for retirement, a drop in value on my 401k now isn't factoring my decision to sub a game or not.  It's reciprocal.  I'll worry about a drop in it a few years before retirement in 40 years.

and yes pre-WOW numbers absolutely apply.  We are not talking about 20 or 30 years ago., further I'm pretty sure at best a decade ago the cheapest sub to a major MMO /might/ have been $10 instead of $15 but even more likely around $12 for some.  Anyway my post had little to do with this, or why people were leaving, I just wanted to add that all the doom and gloom is hardly called for.  Short of actually being someone who stands to profit from the number of subs, why care?  If the games boring due to population... move on.

None of these games will be around in 20 years anyway.

I'm so confused by the posts on this website.  All this talk of subs dropping below <insert random number> and EA will pull the plug!

You do realize EQ1 and DDO (random examples) are still running with easily (I'm guessing just as everyone else) subscribers than WAR has, presumably less than WAR will have a year from now.

Heck even Shadowbane is still online, granted with maybe a patch or three a year at best but even at the whopping fee of ZERO dollars a month that game is still online.   So on what alternate plane of reality is this expectation that the game will poof and vanish?

It's even possible for a game to find a stable player base that isn't  #+ million AND be successful/enjoyable.

Perhaps just perhaps the world might take a look at history and realize only one western MMO has accomplished this.  Maybe it isn't mean to happen repeatedly?  Pre WOW the average player base of any given game was 100-300k.  It wasn't unusual or bad business.

I don't really have anything to say. 

I just wanted to comment on your hardcore member status after 15 days here and I'm only an apprentice after 6 years! 

Originally posted by robby5403

Originally posted by Squal'Zell

Don't know what world you live in...

never had trouble finding PUGs be it in HM or in NM.

the best of the equipment can be aquired at lvl 15 for about 1 plat each (or less)

but you are right about the pvp and HA that youdo not get considered if you are not high enough rank. which you need to play HA to get...

try maxing out one of those 8 lvl 20s you have, and i dont mean lvl wise, i mean cap all elites, unlock all skills for all classes  with 1 character (even the ones you do not need) get titles, faction rank, (kurzick,luxon, sunspear, lightbringer,azuran,vanguard,norn,dwarven) get the extra 15 atribute points, max out your character

 

 

I have a monk with lots max titel, black dyed elite kurzick and black dyed eotn mask. But it costed me 150k to gain a rush trhough all proph missions+bonus till desert which I needed to take cause noone was there to do them with :S And be honest doing the missions with lvl 20's from you guild sucks....there isn't any difficult that way :P Also noone looks for quests anymore and since the perma form the whole gw economie is bad ectos droped over 2k etc......

Did you just say you paid to rush through content and then go on to say you wont play with max level guild mates because it's too easy?

That's hilarious.

This is like the 4th time they've done this.  Counting the free month that came with buying the game I think I've had account access about 4 or 5 months worth for free.

edit - It appears this only applies to those who received an email.  I played during a free month they gave away between June and July... which was just less than 60 days ago, so I'm guessing I didn't get an email for that reason.  Oh well still same point... they keep giving away these free months isn't a good sign.

Originally posted by miagisan

any one else notice a fresh influx of haters with less than 20 posts?

 

ahh you gotta love the release of new games.....great write up as well

...some people with less than 20 posts have been members of this site longer than those with nearly 2000.

I do not see the relevance between number of posts and an individuals opinion.  Perhaps some people only post when they find something worth posting about.

Originally posted by Dreneth

Originally posted by Furyus

Third why do you care in the first place, and why do I care enough to reply?

I care because I am both an artist and a programmer, and I would hate to see any of my work stolen.  I say nail the little bastards to the wall and burn em a new one.

As for you...  I don't know why you care enough to reply...  probably because you like controversy.  (teasing)

Also, I think linking to a site that has gold selling and power leveling banner on the main page is pretty disgusting.