Ah this whole situation makes me laugh.

Funny how all you Bethesda Fanbois, had no problem with this when the shoe was on the other foot.

When Bethseda took the Fallout series and changed pretty much everything for the worse, when they took away 90% of what made the games Fallout, ignored the Fallout fans, twisted the lore so bad it end up in a knot.

But no that was fine... Until it happens to your beloved game, then its bad.

This is Karma and its Justice.

Now you know how the Fallout fans felt when they sold our Game down the river.

I think you mean f'cking genius.

If someone can make money of idiots who want bodyguards or to play with hot girls (much better ways to play with hot girls).

Good on them.

Well you can get Red Faction Guerilla fairly cheap.

Then the newer Red Faction Armageddon.

3rd Person shooters with the best Destruction ever done, plus driving.

GTA Series.

Dead Space series are 3rd person I think.

Yeah seriously, its not often I come across a post I can't read.

But jesus, don't just copy and paste and press post.

As for so few Star Games.

Because most are -ing garbage.

X-Wing series disappeared into the black hole that has apparantly swalloed all Space sims.

Jedi Knight series, disappeared.

Knights of the Old Republic turned into MMORPG.

They are pretty much the only 3 decent series Star wars series made.

maybe Lego Star Wars, but I wouldn't know.

So by that definition any single player game with mod tools is a sandbox?

Neverwinter Nights 1 and 2?

Dragon Age : Origins?

Hell before Empire Total War had a near unmoddable Campaign map.  The Total War series is a sandbox.

Does content respawn in Skyrim like F3/FNV?

Because if yes, its a goddam themepark.

Minecraft is a sandbox, minecraft has mod tools in game.

Skyrim is a themepark. You can't even keep a damm cave clear for more than 3? days.

You go to a Themepark and you can ride any ride you want in any order. So why people use it to mean linear game play is beyond me. Unless you people have been to some really wierd Themeparks.

HaHa, is all I got to say.

People need to realise, you can become hostile and violent but there is nothing stopping people coming back at you with more.

But yet another video of freakin cowards standing around doing nothing.

Especially screaming white lady, where the hell was she 2 minutes ago before they jumped the goddam counter.

Mass Effect are just as much a sandbox as Skyrim will be.

You wonder round a big map do quest and exploring at certain points.

Wondering around for 600 hours killing respawning mobs and collecting piles of cash/crap ain't no sodding Sandbox.

Bethseda games (and I am not going to call them RPGs because they aren't )are nothing but Themeparks stuck in a  Groundhog Day style time loop.

You do all the rides and wait, bam everything is reset and you can do it.

Just like World of Warcraft and other MMORPGs.

If Oblivion/Fallout 3 are Sandboxes, every single MMORPG out there is too. Because the only difference is number of players.

If Fallout 3 is a sandbox, why can't I take over Tenpenny Tower and move the poor kids from Little Lamplight and Big Town in.

Why can't I stop the Enclave spawning? Depsite taking out 3 of their bases.

Why can't I stop the Supermutants from spawning by joining the Brotherhood of Steel in an attack on Vault 87.

Why can't I make a base/house/settlement anyway where I want instead of decorating preset, prebuilt houses.

Why can't I change or effect the world anyway I damm well please.

Oh right because its not a sodding Sandbox, is a themepark thats been invaded by a carnival and so there is pointless little stalls every 2 feet.

LoL at the Gibson troll.

Oh yes thoose dity English Lord went all Prima Nocte on the poor Scottish Women...

Oh wait no they didn't.

There is zero historical evidence for it.

Hell there is little historical evidence prima nocte even excisted anywhere in Europe.

So try learning actual history instead of watching one of Gibson self indulgent wanking sessions

Hell No, keep MMORPG away from it please.

Mount and Blade style game with increased politics and maybe an online campaign yes please.

Total War: Westeros, HELL YES.

That Genesis game looks like Westeroscraft ie Crap.

Also Targayens are NOT immune to Fire. Martin has gone on record as saying so.

That was a one time deal having to do with the magic ritual the character was unknowingly performing.

I point you towards Aerys Brightflame who tried to turn himself into a Dragon by drinking Wyldfire and died like a inbred pile of crap he was.

Yeah they did that running on water viral on Mythbusters last week, Myth busted.

Some of the other stuff maybe the film something 100 times and use the one time it worked flawlessly.

cRPG stands for Computer Role Playing Game, not Classic...

I never heard of cRPG meaning Classic.

Its Computer Role Playing Game to show its not a phyiscal RPG ala Pen and Paper type.

Googling What does cRPG mean? agrees with me, so I will chalk it up to another dumb arse phenomene like idiots and their "I could care less".

Piracy frankly is the most overused excuse ever.

The goddam game companies and their constand "wah wah wah wah", they're worse than the Goverment and its Terrorists are everywhere and people should be really scared and do exactly as we tell them.

The Game companies are the same as the Film companies, their business grows new Games/Films make more money than than ever have and yet they still blame Piracy for costing them imaginary billions.

Also honestly the more mainstream they make their games the more they will be pirated.

Perhaps if they legitmately tried to make a legitmate Baldur's Gate style sequel instead of trying to make it for everyone, everyone wouldn't turn round and download it to see if they like it.

Console Piracy is bigger than PC Piracy, PC Piracy is just bigger on the internet.

Most of console pirating is physical copies.

See China, movie/games pirating is pretty much entirely physical copies sold.

Yes but most of Biowares games are more than branching.

Mass Effect 1 and 2 both.

They start linear to get you into the story and basically dump you into space with your ship and say "Go do whatever you want".

Just because a game begins with A-B-C and ends with X-Y-Z, does not a linear game make.

Good post maybe now people will stop misuing Linear so bloody much.

I doubt Bioware has ever made a Linear RPG ever.

Most of their games if not all are Heavily Branch and only slighty less non-linear than Bethseda games.

Both their games have a Begining, a Middle and an End.

The only difference between games like Mass Effect/Dragon Age and Elder Scrolls/Fallout 3&NV is % of cotent thats Main Story line and Additional Stories.

Bioware like to have a Chunky Main line and some branching lines.

Bethseda like a shriveled monkey penis of a main line, where all the good stuff is on the branching lines but also alot of repetive filler content, see Fallout 3 and its numeros locations full of enemies with no decent loot and no bloody story at all.

Bethseda needs a flow chart like this for their locations.

Something like this.

Does the location have an interesting story or unique loot? > 1. Yes  >2 No.

If answer 1, keep it.

If answer 2 > Is it (1)a quest location or (2) just a grind spot?

If answer 1, keep it.

If answer 2, give it an interesting story, a quest or unique loot or freakin scrap it.

Haha Bethseda make Traditional RPG games... BAHAHAHAHAHA...

BOTH companies make nothing but action/rpg hybrids these days.

Dragon Age : Origins was an attempt at a Traditional cRPG, but they didn't have the balls to do it properly and now have abandoned even more for DA2.

But DA2 is still more of an cRPG then anything Bethseda has made.

Bethseda make Open world Hackers/Shooters with stats.

If they made RPG they would actually put some effort into the stories, for godsake you can complete Oblivions story at lvl 2 or 1 if you are careful not to gain XP and that includes killing the Final Boss.

RPG is ment to be you Playing a ROLE in a STORY like an Actor.

Not doing whatever you want like a Stand Up.

Bethseda TES games are a "Run around in a Medieval Fantasy World doing whatever you want" Sim.

Bethseda won't even try an make a Traditional RPG, atleast Bioware tried.

Bethseda bought the Fallout  franchise, a franchise based on trying to recreate the Pen and Paper Tabletop RPG feel on the computer and made Fallout 3 a hybrid FPS/RPG. Yeah they sure do make traditional RPGs...

Also in a Bioware vs Bethseda arguement, Bethseda do not have any advantage over Bioware when it comes to screwing fans in the arse.

TES 2 to TES 3 pissed off fans, TES 3 to TES4 pissed off fans.

Then we have them buying the Fallout franchise and telling Fallout fans who were the only reason there was a goddam franchise, to suck it. Because they own the franchise and can do whatever they want.

Hell Mass Effect series might be FPS/RPG hybrid atleast the FPS elements don't mostly suck like Fallout 3.

Bioware vs Bethseda, who knows who is winning...

All I know is PC Gamers are losing.

Well I ran outa patience with Obivious Trolltard boy about half way through.

Highlights of these thread.

A Final Fantasy fanboi taking a potshot at Lightsabres for being unrealistic weapons. Yeah because having swords the size of a car is so realistic.

Apparantly people who grew up with Star Wars are 50 years old!

Holy flurking snit why didn't anyone tell me this year was my 50th birthday and not my 28th. All that life pished away, lost like tears in the rain.

Odd that I was born the same year as Return of Jedi was released and all that time me and my friends spent playing Star Wars as we were growing up.

What are the release dates for the original 3 movies, 1977, 1980 and 1983. Wait that's not 50 years ago, its not even 40.

So OTB fails at maths aswell as english, not surprised there cause he also fails at basic trollish.

A Good Troll is like a good Submarine commander, you don't know they are there until your thread/ship is a flaming wreck. Obivious trolls are bad trolls, because they suck at hiding the fact they are trolls, idiot.

FPS Ranged combat in MMORPGs is not the problem. Its fine.

Its the boring and terrible Melee FPS

Click animation 1, click animation 2, click animation 3, click animation 1 and so on.

You can't do Melee in the First Person, you can do it in Third Person but it needs more love than 3 or so attack animation repeating in the same pattern.

You need a combo system like from Jedi Knight II onwards atleast.

No an Assassin with his Mythical on a Single Target mob, will destroy anyone. Unless the player is an incompetent idiot.

This is not opinion this is gospel truth.

If you add mobs to the encounter after 3 mobs the Swashbuckler will out dps the Assassin.

Rangers cannot touch Assassin DPS  potential.

Assassins should out DPS any other Class on Single Targets, if they don't there is something wrong somewhere.

Swashbucklers need multiple mobs at once to out do Assassin dps.

Berzerkers are the top Tank Melee AoE DPS.

Monks/Bruisers will beat them by a fair amount on Single Target.

Originally posted by Rallycart

Originally posted by ethion

This is only available on a couple servers.

 

Nice, I actually never noticed that it was only Vox and the Bazaar. However, being that you can transfer chars from server to server, it is still a problem for any server, as I can buy one on Vox, then transfer him, with items and gold, to any of the others.

Yeah except you can't.

Anyone can transfer to the Exchange servers for free, Noone can transfer off, ever.

You also can't transfer off PvP servers.

Learn wtf you are talking about, before you open your mouth.

SK are a Tank class not a melee DPS, they just happen to be overpowered at the moment due to SOE and its fix Underpowered Classes by making them Overpowered Classes.

Seriously if you want to raid end game, you need to forget Tanks all together.

There are 100s if not 1000s all ready wanting a Raid Tank spot and limited Tank spots to go around and alot of thoose waiting inline for their chance are very good tanks.

You will find it very very hard to get into a Raid Guild with a fighter, any fighter.

Besides from that don't role a Monk or a Bruiser, its pointless.

Don't roll a Zerker nobody wants more than they already have.

Originally posted by Heltern

. I am sick of SOE games wqith their anti-melee bias.

 

Yeah EQ2 has such an anti-melee bias, its extreme. Uh no wait,  it doesn't. If anything it has  pro-melee bias.