Its another fine mess by SOE,the laurel and hardy of the MMO industry

With the NGE they pissed off the playerbase,with this move SOE has pissed off the world except america..its nice to know thier priorities,it takes some doing to be so bad at thier jobs,yet SOE never fail to deliver so sod them.

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by Death1942

for memory i heard a rumour that it was going to be heavily focussed on consoles.  I could be wrong but its what i remember from a few months back.

 

As for another EQ...meh, maybe i might like this one more than the others (i got into EQ2 well after release unfortunatelly and at the time it was ageing quite a bit)

 

I suspect you are right about EQnext being console based.  Sony is in the middle of a furious console war that they are losing.  Part of that has to due with the ps3 not really having a killed game to draw players in. 

Seeing the soe is part of sce now, I doubt they care as much about the pc market as they do supporting the ps3 market.  Soe has been invovled in the playstation for a while now so I bet they have a new directive and the pc market is a secondary concern.  Perhaps that is why they are trying to revive the planetside title, because in theory it would make a great console game and really appeal to console gamers.

 

I would put good money on the next game being PS3 lead tbh it makes no sense whatsoever for it not to be really..but then again its sony we're talking about.

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by fozzie22 

QFT!!

 

In defense of SOE at the time they DID make the right call becuase if you recall when they set about making the game we where at the height of the gigahertz wars i think if we had a crystal ball back then no one could really see the c-change that came about a couple of years later..i mean back in what? 2002 who would have thought we'd have still been using 2 gig processors as the standard (ok with multiple cores),i think most of us would have assumed we'd be well into double figures gigahertz wise by now.

 

They flipped the coin and it came down the wrong side for them one of those things i suppose as for DX 11 cant see it making a jot of difference to the game becuase as you say the games will have to be coded for it from the ground up.

 

I don't think they made the right call at all.   The is a very good reason PCs were designed to use video cards and designing a game to ignore that resource is rather stupid.  Every other game on the market was going to benefit from CPU & GPU and I fail to see how ignoring that can be called the right decision.  

Early on the EQ2 devs said they used the processor to run the graphics so that people with low end video cards could play the game on low settings.  That is sort of a cheap shortcut to get the low end market. 

Instead of designing a graphic mode to compensate people with low end video cards soe ignored the basic designs of PCs and hedged the games performance on future technology. 

Did this design choice make the game run well at release?  No.

Did this design choice make the game run well long term?  No.

I just don't see anything that makes this look like a good decision.  Honestly it looks rather stupid to bet the health of an mmo on future technology resolving current issues. 

 

Its very easy to sit back years on and say yeah they got it wrong of course they did..but back then the graphics we're seeing today where nothing but a pipe dream.

I started the game at around LU 11 and given i was coming from SWG the game was a breath of fresh air on my (moderate pc at the time) it ran ok,nothing spectacular but it did the job SOE made many no countless mistakes with EQ2 the countless changes in the very core game itself being far more damaging than wether or not it can run on an old pc or not,thats been the games downfall for my money at least.

But i'll say it again when they sat around the table back in 2000ish and talked about how to base the game they made the right call go with the CPU not the GPU becuase at the time the cards just werent there to support its over ambitious graphics but i suppose given the gigahertz wars they thought they could get away with throwing it all at the CPU.

The devs are not oracles..they cant see into the future..niether can i and i'm damn sure you cant either becuase if we could i'd be sitting on an island somewhere after winning millions on the lottery and Daffodil you'd be my neighbour :)

Like i say they got it wrong and you're right the game should in no way shape or form have been released when they did,it needed another year dev time simply they got it wrong (that word again) but lets be fair getting it wrong is what SOE does best

Originally posted by ethion

There isn't any magic bullet that is gonna help the eq2 engine...  The problem with the eq2 engine is a case of bad design decisions.  Eq2 devs decided to do most of the graphics in the CPU instead of GPUs.  The mistakenly assumed that CPUs would continue to get faster and by sticking with CPU they didn't have to worry about GPUs being incompatable or having to make changes to accomidate different hardware.

Course that decision was wrong as CPU speeds pretty much stalled when eq2 was released and other then minor improvements moved to multicore which wasnt' something EQ2 devs designed for either.  And redoing the engine to take advantage of GPUs has been slow.  The good news is they are incrementally adding this stuff and the shader 3.0 engine upgrade looks awesome and will probably make the game run faster as well since it is going to largely be GPU based offloading some work from the CPU.

Directx 11 won't help much since it requires code changed to use it.  And for the same reasons it is a major change.

 

QFT!!

In defense of SOE at the time they DID make the right call becuase if you recall when they set about making the game we where at the height of the gigahertz wars i think if we had a crystal ball back then no one could really see the c-change that came about a couple of years later..i mean back in what? 2002 who would have thought we'd have still been using 2 gig processors as the standard (ok with multiple cores),i think most of us would have assumed we'd be well into double figures gigahertz wise by now.

They flipped the coin and it came down the wrong side for them one of those things i suppose as for DX 11 cant see it making a jot of difference to the game becuase as you say the games will have to be coded for it from the ground up.

Ab is possibly the only server that doesnt need more people on it lots of room on other servers..lots.

I would assume EQ3 will be F2P and hey thats ok by me from the get go,but this nasty creeping way of RMT has left a very sour taste in my mouth,i went back after a good long break but the games on its arse player wise theres hardly anyone about (aside of course from AB) and this action will further drive more people away from the game.

As i said i would have loved to have been prooved wrong over this issue but it was inevitable really as soon as LON launch then the cash shop at least they do seem to have learned some lessons from the NGE debacle and not try and shoehorn it in right away.

Originally posted by bahamut1

It's probably a good time to go...

The SoE, SWG NGE naysayers can now say, "I told you so...". I defended this game. Put thousands of hours into it over the last 5 years, and now SoE has proved them right. LoN packs now offer private exclusive dungeons for LoN players. You now have to pay to play in a dungeon... on top of the 14.99.

Way to let me down SoE... You've gone too far this time. It had so many things going good for it too, but they (SoE) always find a way... :(

I was one of those saying this would happen..give it another year and armour etc will be on sale through SC..does it make me happy i was proved right??

No it depresses the hell out of me

SOE should hang thier heads in shame over this or else just make it free 2 play for all but of ourse they wont they want thier cake and eat it as well,what saddens me mope than anything is the fact EQ2 is nothing more than a test bed for thier other games like dc online,fr etc,shambolic state of affairs.

Considering the EQ2 community prides itself on being mature this thread frankly made my teeth itch

One thing i cant abide in any forum is the spelling police

I had my freetime a few weeks back when the LU went live i think

its too fast to level in EQ2 now sadly,i know you can turn xp off blah blah but theres tons of stuff at the lower levels you just blast by it

I've never seen a tv add for the game in europe and the last press advert i saw was for EoF hell up untill TSO you couldnt even buy the game in a local game shop which is a killer for any game,let alone an MMO

too many classes in there as it is without adding more,plus conjys and necros have pets

Funny thing is i miss the launch style game i made a hell of a lot of good friends in that time,i do miss the shard runs

If EQ2 is guilty of anything is it tries to please everyone and makes massive adjustments all the time,it needs to be constant but sadly it never is.

The simple but sad truth about the cash shop is that SOE used its own playerbase as beta testers for it with EQ and EQ2

Doesnt really tell us anything new tbh and this staggering lack of official info about the expansion should be a worry becuase as i said in all the years i played the game xpac time was time for many dancing girls and blowing of horns..but  this one its as if they just cant be bothered with it anymore

Its looking like the halas LU is indeed a glorified trial just as they do in VG no bad thing tbh

Now the bones are begining to be meated out i can understand why he didnt say anything about it.

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Posted by Feldon | Uncategorized | Saturday 27 June 2009 6:40 pm
Stonegrunt mountains

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End of the void storyline

What happened to the Erudites and Odus

Ratonga lore

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Contested dungeon
The Hole
82+

3 different wings. Spawn in the middle.

Brenlo directly addressed Gage about rumors.
Raid mobs in new zones will have a choice of difficulty so no zone will be completely unbeatable

Some mobs will have multiple loot tables

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No new deities with expac
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Guild level 90
More amenities and more slots

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2 overland zones
1 contested zone similar to sanctum of scaleborn
12 group instances

Level by grouping or soloing

fanfaire08.feldoncentral.com/2009/06/

I mean if thats it the wuestion has to asked what are they thinking?

Is it just me or is the drip of info regarding this xpac bordering on the shambolic? no one seems to know anything concrete about it atm now i'm only going off earlier years where there was a big hoo hah about the xpac in smeds address,this year all he really wanted to talk about was station cash.

TSO was the xpac that made me quit eq2 after 4 years..its terrible wait till novemeber till the next xpac comes along and get it for free.

Given what a pile of tosh FF XI was i have high hopes for this one,i just hope i dont get let down by it.