All Posts by Obraik

Originally posted by Dracus

A Story Telling System in SWG? 

What is that?!?!?

I thought with the release of the NGE, that all players were to be copies of other characters in the movie, since no one wanted to be a vapor farmer in the desert, just a copy of Han Solo, or so the Lucas Arts management stated.  Makes me think of:

I'm Han Solo and this is my story...

No, I'm Han Solo and this is my story...

Both of you are wrong, I'm the true Han Solo and this is my story...

I can't see how a Story Telling System can work in present-day SWG.  Players cannot alter the story-arc.  Players cannot be the Heroes of the Galaxies.  SWG is a static theme park, in which the story arc (or lack thereof) goes on by without the interaction or actions of the masses.  I will admit back in the first year, the monthly (that was the intent, but ended up being Quarterly) story arcs was a good idea and that can be considered as providing a means for players to alter the story-arc.  Unfortunately there was only three such events and nevermore afterwards.  Maybe when I read of story-telling I am getting completely wrong, but when I think is that story telling means for a player to give an account of having done something to alter the story arc in some form or manner.

I guess by a story-telling system as per SOE/LA, this means the message boards of players telling their stories, or to say, game experiences.  Before the NGE, I was a TK-Smuggler, yes-sir'ry-bob, and when smuggler's couldn't smuggle.  Well they still can't but that's besides the point.  The point is I can tell a story of what I did in a mismanaged virtual world in which the dictatorship, or The Empire to be more correct, cared not of your self or concerns.

The Storyteller system has been in the game for well over a year now.  It's even had a few updates to it in that time too.

A brief intro to it is here, http://starwarsgalaxies.station.sony.com/players/content.vm?id=66938&resource=features

Originally posted by FikusOfAhazi

Originally posted by Obraik

Originally posted by FikusOfAhazi

Wouldnt SOE employees get in trouble from LA for leaking unannounced info? Just asking..I have no idea how that stuff works.

 

LucasArts were part of the panels, they would have been there when Blixtev said that.

Oh i didnt know it was said so everyone could hear..thought it was something "off the record". Why arent any of the gaming media running with it then?

I have no idea when it was said, I wasn't there.  If it was said at the panel, then LA would have known it was said and would have had the chance to correct/interject it

Originally posted by FikusOfAhazi

Wouldnt SOE employees get in trouble from LA for leaking unannounced info? Just asking..I have no idea how that stuff works.

LucasArts were part of the panels, they would have been there when Blixtev said that.

Originally posted by Gutboy

Also from a guildy that is at fan fair, Blixtev said that the Kotor Bioware/LEC/EA game is NOT a MMO, the closest thing to it would be what Diablo 2 is now (as far as online access). So you can do the story line solo or team up with some players to do it online as well.

It's another reason why SWG is not going away, two different products.

One of the reports on the forums also mentions that one of the LA guys mentioned that George Lucas' son also plays SWG and "enjoys it alot." 

Originally posted by Gutboy

I submit to you that I have just finishede a tusken, ISD, IG-88, and Exar Kun, and am going back in to Exar Kun in a couple min, no bugs.

 

Ditto...and got some pretty nice Augmentations/Enhancements too ;)

Originally posted by sookster54

I liked how you could purposly bug the IG-88 instance everytime by having 1 person enter as the two large droids comes out, making them target the mouse droids instead of you and making the instance easy to do in less than 10 minutes. Has that been fixed? The ISD instance, where you fight until the squad commander spawns, well sometimes he NEVER spawns. Exar Kun, where someone's pet got perma stuck in the last part of the instance, preventing the room to spawn.

Oh the Mustafar Beetle cave instance, lol, that's one bug that's never been fixed (less likely now, nobody goes to Musty).

The flaming battle droids are suppose to target the mouse droids, they're not meant to target group members.  Their flames will follow the mouse droids around and it's up to your group to stay behind the flames.  Sounds easy, but it chatches alot of people out and they go and run out in front of the flames and die.  The bug you're thinking of was when you'd come in at that point and their flamers wouldn't ignite.

The Squadleader always spawns but there's a bunch of different places he'll spawn in that section of the ship.  I keep my radar zoomed out some and hover the mouse over the red dots as they spawn to locate him and then get a Jedi to force run out to agro him before he despawns again.

The Mustafar instance bugs were fixed with Chapter 10 when they made them work the same as the Heroic instances.  You no longer need to be in the right place to get in, nor do you have to accept an instance invite to make sure you get in. 

Originally posted by Suvroc

Originally posted by Obraik

Originally posted by Suvroc

Originally posted by Obraik

Originally posted by Thunderous

Obraik, I am not a hardcore MMO gamer but I have played probably 7 or 8 of them.

WoW has low level players all over the place.

CoH-CoV has a number of them.

EVE has low level players.

Those are just some of the older games I have played lately.  In the case of SWG, which I have played recently, you don't see many low level players at all.  On Bloodfin, I did encounter 1 total noob to SWG, he was using Station Pass, or so he said, and was trying a number of games out.

I encountered several low level players that were re-rolling toons from my old server of Lowca to the more populated Bloodfin.

The difference between SWG and the other existing successful MMO games is that the other games are bringing in new players, SWG is not, and when it does is not able to sustain the subscriptions.  The low levels you see are likely toons being re-rolled from empty servers.  Those are NOT new players, they are new toons.  There is a big difference.

I am curious to see if you have even played any other MMOs.

On a daily basis, I get in-game mails and tells from people looking to buy armour (and now weapons) that are quite clearly new to the game and are looking for info on what's available to them for their level/profession.  

 

How exactly can you tell they are new to the game as opposed to someone who is on a trial and may not have played in 2+ years? I would think that someone who hasn't played in so long would definetely have questions regarding armour and weapons. I know I would have.

Just the way they ask the questions I guess...the armour system hasn't changed since the CU went Live so they would have had to have been away from the game for some time.
 

 

Well, I think that could be a reason why then because armour has changed significantly since pre-CU. I'd bet that a lot of the people asking are simply on a vet trial and haven't really played since pre-CU.

Another thing to consider is how else would noobs be able to afford armour if they are new? Many of these people have probably been sitting on millions of credits for several years and are able to afford it. Also if they're running quests as noobs they'll be given reasonable armour anyway and will likely understand armour by the time they're ready to upgrade.

Well, I don't just sell high end armour, I do make suits that are suitable for the people newer to the game (250k for an unlayered suit - an amount they should have by the time they get to lvl 22 from the Legacy).  It's not uncommon to have people asking "entry level" questions, find out the different costs of armour and then let me know they'll be a few days while they work up the credits to afford the armour that they're wanting. Of course, there's also some that expect me to lower my top end armour prices down to their entry level budget...

Originally posted by Suvroc

Originally posted by Obraik

Originally posted by Thunderous

Obraik, I am not a hardcore MMO gamer but I have played probably 7 or 8 of them.

WoW has low level players all over the place.

CoH-CoV has a number of them.

EVE has low level players.

Those are just some of the older games I have played lately.  In the case of SWG, which I have played recently, you don't see many low level players at all.  On Bloodfin, I did encounter 1 total noob to SWG, he was using Station Pass, or so he said, and was trying a number of games out.

I encountered several low level players that were re-rolling toons from my old server of Lowca to the more populated Bloodfin.

The difference between SWG and the other existing successful MMO games is that the other games are bringing in new players, SWG is not, and when it does is not able to sustain the subscriptions.  The low levels you see are likely toons being re-rolled from empty servers.  Those are NOT new players, they are new toons.  There is a big difference.

I am curious to see if you have even played any other MMOs.

On a daily basis, I get in-game mails and tells from people looking to buy armour (and now weapons) that are quite clearly new to the game and are looking for info on what's available to them for their level/profession.  

 

How exactly can you tell they are new to the game as opposed to someone who is on a trial and may not have played in 2+ years? I would think that someone who hasn't played in so long would definetely have questions regarding armour and weapons. I know I would have.

Just the way they ask the questions I guess...the armour system hasn't changed since the CU went Live so they would have had to have been away from the game for some time.
 

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What "fanbois" are going "nuts"? Obraik starts being a little snippy with you, and that's the conclusion you draw?
Maybe Obraik's tired of being treated like crap by you people.
"Going nuts"? Wishing something were happening does not make it so.
 

 

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I think it has more to do with the recent influx of current players posting things like 'Get over it, it's been three years' and 'Shut up, nobody cares'  as opposed to the previous influx of 'The game is great and everyone should play it' and 'The game is good again so resubscribe' posts that the previous current player invasions have entailed.  The recent invasion seems to be more concerned with being angry than they do with trying to trick folks into trying their horribly unfun game.  Obriak, who has been a consistently clam vioce in favor of the game, also seems a bit more on edge since the semi-official revelation that BioWare's MMO is based on Star Wars.
It seems like more than a few folks have seen the end of the road and are lashing out.  BioWare's MMO is going to be bad for SWG, and some folks are a bit upset by that fact.
 
 
 

 

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Heh, my post style has nothing to do with the supposed KOTOR MMO ;)  Kobie's explanation is much more accurate...

 

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In other words, for some strange reason, you are suddenly "tired of being treated like crap?" What praytell sparked this sudden "tiredness?"
 
It is very interesting that you should so suddenly get tired of people 'treating you like crap' just after the KotOR story. Up until now, it didn't bother you at all. Hmmmmm.
 

 

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I didn't say completely accurate ;)  I wouldn't say I'm "tired of being treated like crap" because if I felt that way I'd probably stop posting here altogether.  It's more that I'm growing tired of the same old arguments happening on these forums every day for the last 3+ years. 
Of course, if you'd like to come up with some conspiracy theory instead (it is this forums speciality, afterall ;) ), then I obviously can't stop you... I suppose it could be ammusing though.

 

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No, but you did say much more accurate. That's enough to constitute an admission.
 
I certainly didn't mention any conspiracy theory. Nothing i said requires or even implies a conspiracy. Why did you say that? Why are you simply making things up now?
Why are you suddenly growing tired NOW?
 

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I assure you, it isn't suddenly just a now thing ;)  My posting on these forums has fallen back alot over the last few months.  You only found out today because the topic of it only just came up today...
 
The conspiracy theory I refer to would be the assumption that this is all due to the talk of a KOTOR MMO.

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So if it isn't just a now thing, why did you even respond as if it was? Are you being intentionally misleading, or merely accidentally so?

 

Also, do you know what a conspiracy theory is? Obviously not, judging from your use of the term.
 

Lol, no matter what I say, you're going to argue about it in some way.  So, lets satisfy your ego and you can go around thinking whatever you want to think :)

Originally posted by Fishermage

 

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Originally posted by kobie173
 
What "fanbois" are going "nuts"? Obraik starts being a little snippy with you, and that's the conclusion you draw?
Maybe Obraik's tired of being treated like crap by you people.
"Going nuts"? Wishing something were happening does not make it so.

 

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I think it has more to do with the recent influx of current players posting things like 'Get over it, it's been three years' and 'Shut up, nobody cares'  as opposed to the previous influx of 'The game is great and everyone should play it' and 'The game is good again so resubscribe' posts that the previous current player invasions have entailed.  The recent invasion seems to be more concerned with being angry than they do with trying to trick folks into trying their horribly unfun game.  Obriak, who has been a consistently clam vioce in favor of the game, also seems a bit more on edge since the semi-official revelation that BioWare's MMO is based on Star Wars.
It seems like more than a few folks have seen the end of the road and are lashing out.  BioWare's MMO is going to be bad for SWG, and some folks are a bit upset by that fact.
 
 

 

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Heh, my post style has nothing to do with the supposed KOTOR MMO ;)  Kobie's explanation is much more accurate...

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In other words, for some strange reason, you are suddenly "tired of being treated like crap?" What praytell sparked this sudden "tiredness?"
 
It is very interesting that you should so suddenly get tired of people 'treating you like crap' just after the KotOR story. Up until now, it didn't bother you at all. Hmmmmm.
 

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I didn't say completely accurate ;)  I wouldn't say I'm "tired of being treated like crap" because if I felt that way I'd probably stop posting here altogether.  It's more that I'm growing tired of the same old arguments happening on these forums every day for the last 3+ years. 
Of course, if you'd like to come up with some conspiracy theory instead (it is this forums speciality, afterall ;) ), then I obviously can't stop you... I suppose it could be ammusing though.

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No, but you did say much more accurate. That's enough to constitute an admission.

 

I certainly didn't mention any conspiracy theory. Nothing i said requires or even implies a conspiracy. Why did you say that? Why are you simply making things up now?

Why are you suddenly growing tired NOW?
 

I assure you, it isn't suddenly just a now thing ;)  My posting on these forums has fallen back alot over the last few months.  You only found out today because the topic of it only just came up today...
 

The conspiracy theory I refer to would be the assumption that this is all due to the talk of a KOTOR MMO.

Originally posted by Fishermage

 

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Originally posted by Obee

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Originally posted by kobie173

 

What "fanbois" are going "nuts"? Obraik starts being a little snippy with you, and that's the conclusion you draw?
Maybe Obraik's tired of being treated like crap by you people.
"Going nuts"? Wishing something were happening does not make it so.

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I think it has more to do with the recent influx of current players posting things like 'Get over it, it's been three years' and 'Shut up, nobody cares'  as opposed to the previous influx of 'The game is great and everyone should play it' and 'The game is good again so resubscribe' posts that the previous current player invasions have entailed.  The recent invasion seems to be more concerned with being angry than they do with trying to trick folks into trying their horribly unfun game.  Obriak, who has been a consistently clam vioce in favor of the game, also seems a bit more on edge since the semi-official revelation that BioWare's MMO is based on Star Wars.
It seems like more than a few folks have seen the end of the road and are lashing out.  BioWare's MMO is going to be bad for SWG, and some folks are a bit upset by that fact.
 
 

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Heh, my post style has nothing to do with the supposed KOTOR MMO ;)  Kobie's explanation is much more accurate...

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In other words, for some strange reason, you are suddenly "tired of being treated like crap?" What praytell sparked this sudden "tiredness?"

 

It is very interesting that you should so suddenly get tired of people 'treating you like crap' just after the KotOR story. Up until now, it didn't bother you at all. Hmmmmm.
 

I didn't say completely accurate ;)  I wouldn't say I'm "tired of being treated like crap" because if I felt that way I'd probably stop posting here altogether.  It's more that I'm growing tired of the same old arguments happening on these forums every day for the last 3+ years. 

Of course, if you'd like to come up with some conspiracy theory instead (it is this forums speciality, afterall ;) ), then I obviously can't stop you... I suppose it could be ammusing though.

Originally posted by Gravez

I think he's just bitter because after all of his SWG defending on this forum he wasn't given the game play senator position.

Me?  Nope, I never applied for it ;)  I recently started a new job, so I I'd rather focus on getting established with that for now - and being able to come home from work and just enjoy the game.

Originally posted by Obee

Originally posted by kobie173

What "fanbois" are going "nuts"? Obraik starts being a little snippy with you, and that's the conclusion you draw?

Maybe Obraik's tired of being treated like crap by you people.

"Going nuts"? Wishing something were happening does not make it so.

 

I think it has more to do with the recent influx of current players posting things like 'Get over it, it's been three years' and 'Shut up, nobody cares'  as opposed to the previous influx of 'The game is great and everyone should play it' and 'The game is good again so resubscribe' posts that the previous current player invasions have entailed.  The recent invasion seems to be more concerned with being angry than they do with trying to trick folks into trying their horribly unfun game.  Obriak, who has been a consistently clam vioce in favor of the game, also seems a bit more on edge since the semi-official revelation that BioWare's MMO is based on Star Wars.

It seems like more than a few folks have seen the end of the road and are lashing out.  BioWare's MMO is going to be bad for SWG, and some folks are a bit upset by that fact.

 

 

Heh, my post style has nothing to do with the supposed KOTOR MMO ;)  Kobie's explanation is much more accurate...

Originally posted by Thunderous

Obraik, I am not a hardcore MMO gamer but I have played probably 7 or 8 of them.

WoW has low level players all over the place.

CoH-CoV has a number of them.

EVE has low level players.

Those are just some of the older games I have played lately.  In the case of SWG, which I have played recently, you don't see many low level players at all.  On Bloodfin, I did encounter 1 total noob to SWG, he was using Station Pass, or so he said, and was trying a number of games out.

I encountered several low level players that were re-rolling toons from my old server of Lowca to the more populated Bloodfin.

The difference between SWG and the other existing successful MMO games is that the other games are bringing in new players, SWG is not, and when it does is not able to sustain the subscriptions.  The low levels you see are likely toons being re-rolled from empty servers.  Those are NOT new players, they are new toons.  There is a big difference.

I am curious to see if you have even played any other MMOs.

On a daily basis, I get in-game mails and tells from people looking to buy armour (and now weapons) that are quite clearly new to the game and are looking for info on what's available to them for their level/profession.  

Originally posted by GrandAm

Originally posted by Obraik

Originally posted by bboneheadd

From what I read it seems that The only people who are left playing this game are lvl 90 vets and I will probably see very few new peopple which will feel more like a single player game. I'l download the trial and try it but i doubt it very much that I will stick with the game, thanx for your posts.

This is going to be the case for most MMO's out there that are over a year old.  You'll still find new players that are starting up in the game - my guild just signed up a handful of new people that had recently made their way to level 90 :)

 

I haven't played that many MMO's but have had friends that have Obraik.  I have a friend that plays WOW and tried most others I've heard of. He has had no problems with finding or seeing low level players in WOW.  His name was Doc.  I have heard of some guys named Stan, Eric, Kyle, and Kenny that had a problem with high level players, but I think it was overexagerrated.  By the way Doc (real name James) routinly started new characters to play with and had plenty of people his level to play with.  I never played WOW, just watched him play.  I'm all sci-fi.  WOW had been around for four years.

Yes, you said most.  But there is another game out there where noobs and vets mix.  EVE.  Not for all sure, but it does challenge the idea of most/all game end up as a bunch of high levels running around and no noobs.

Not sure what I was trying to say here...

Any way cheers.

Fair enough.  However, I'm sure the case for most established MMO's is that there will be a much higher percentage of max level players compared to those in the beginning levels - I'm not saying that old MMO's don't have players at those low levels :)  SWG, at least on Chilastra, has low levels floating around in Eisley and the other Legacy quest hubs.

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Originally posted by Daffid011
 
That is very bad logic Obriak.  Go log onto any Blizzard forums, site, game and pick 100 people at random.  Ask them which was their favorite star wars movie.  I bet each person you ask gives you an answer to the last person.  All 100 of them.  All of which are gamers.  Gamer + Star Wars fan.
Now go to a Star wars forum, site, game and pick 100 random people.  Ask them which was their favorite Blizzard game.  I doubt you will get the same amount of answers.
 
I have no idea how knowledgeable Star Wars fans are about Blizzard games or if they even play them.
However I am certain I can pick just about anyone out of a video game, MMO or not, and strike up a conversation about Star Wars. 
 
Perhaps the difference comes from the reputation of each companies games.  Agree?
 
 
 
 
 
 

 

 

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Just because you liked a movie doesn't mean you want to play a game based on it.  For instance, I enjoyed the LOTR movies but I have no interest in playing the MMO based on it - or any other games based around it.
 
 

 

 

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So now you are trying to justify that no one wants to play SWG because SW fans are not "gamers?" Oh my. How amusing. Twp pf the most popular games of all time are Battlefront and KotOR.
many Star wars fans are not gamers, but almost all gamers are star wars fans.
basically you are making a nonsense argument though, You know that, right?
Hmm maybe I should just ask you, what are you trying to say and what are you trying to justify here? just to be kind, I'll ask for clarification.
 
 

 

 

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Were they now?  According to this, they're not.  My argument isn't really specific to SWG but the Star Wars franchise in general.  Just because Star Wars has a huge following, doesn't mean that a single Star Wars product will be or should be huge in its field.

 

 

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According to that list, they sure were. KotOR was number 7 on the XBox list, and battlefront was over a million on playstation.
Why isn't SWG huge in this field? because it sucks.

 

 

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My bad, missed it in the refresh...
Anyway, why are you looking at the Xbox listings when we're talking about PC games?  At least I assumed we're talking about PC games since this is essentially a PC games forum...
The link I provided was a direct link to the PC Games section of the page, and yes, SWG is in that list.  Actually, SWG is the only Star Wars game in the PC games list...

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We are not talking about PC games, YOU are because it narrows your field and obfuscates things. We are talking gamers and the games they play. We are discussing the overlap between gamers and star wars fans -- where did you ever get the idea that we are talking PC games only? That's just silly to differentiate.
 

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It's a PC game forum (at least for now), I assumed the discussion would be related to PC games.  I don't think it's a fair comparison to include console figures when comparing to a PC only game since they're two different audiences again...

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No, it's an MMORPG forum, not a PC game forum. In fact it's