Meridian 59 had a decent system where death did cost you. Not to the point that you'd just give up, but serious none the less. It left open the ability to search out a place to overcome the sickness (from either and NPC or player death), but left open the PK possibility.

That worked because 1/3 the population made their bones on PKr killing, since you could get "out of the world" exp. for killing those tagged PKrs.

PVE doesn't really mean much anymore....in the olden days (and I date myself here) the worst thing out there was more than the worst demi-boss, and that was the girl (or guy) at some other keyboard 100's or 1000's of miles away. At the same time, if you chose to go that way (anyone remember Qor?), and pk then you had HUGE penalties to overcome, or obtaining magic to counter those penalties. Revenants anyone?

...additionally, with faction (duke or princess), the whole PK thing could be either a boon or bane....but none of that exists anymore.

The step away from major penalties has degraded MMORPG's for quite some time. EQ started the degradation and, though I love that title to this day, There was no better system than M59, when you paid for your choices no matter what.

One thing I always found interesting was that in M59 you could have genuine emotions in the game , on which you acted on your own, that determined where you'd be in that world for the next 2 or 3 months, regardless of guild standing.

...it made you think for somewhat longer than a mouse click.

I never sign my posts, but anyone reading who remembers "Vicki" from 105....well, they'll probably understand.

....death (and killing) should actually mean something...

Fair writeup, but it seems like you got really bored a LOT faster than what was implied. The game isn't really as tedious as you make it out to be....

...for example, you can always get waypoints to quests and setting your return point gets you back to your strategic start location in a jiff....

The game is really pretty easy to get around in right off the bat. The PvP scheme is broken in many MANY ways, IMO, but even as a casual player, and mostly solo at that, the learning curve, at least for me, wasn't steep...

Originally posted by TheStarheart

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by Whitetree

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Its the new kid on the block. After release the hype and flame will move onto the next "wow killer" and Aion will just be a memory to all but those who play it.

 

Since you have insisted that you don't intend to ever even play Aion, why are you still on these forums? You're negativity isn't serving any purpose whatsoever. If you don't like the game, fine. We've read that. Several times. Please, if you must hang around this site, go find a game you DO like. And if you can't find any, find some other way to spend your time. Either way, there is no logical reason for us to see another post from you in Aion's forums.

Is it ok if i read about the new "wow killer" or am i forbidden from that as well?

Continued negative posting on a game that you aren't going to play and aren't going to contribute to in terms of its community is the issue.

I would say the same thing for myself or anyone else if we were trolling a different game that we had no intentions of playing on release. It obviously isn't down your alley, so please don't try to alter everyone's experiences that actually want to play.

Guess I'm  not sure why negativity is frowned upon. Fact is this is a bolts to apples comparison anyway, and YOU simply don't like that anyone is dissing your game of the day.
 

WOW will laugh all the way to the bank, as usual, and this thread will die again, as usual, when the hype fails to live up to the expectation.

It's great to be excited, but flies are excited by fresh turds.....does that make random public excitement forum fodder?

....everyone has the next "WOW killer"...neat! Bring it to market after the fanboi threads!

Originally posted by Jackio81

Originally posted by porovaara

 No one is going to release a "big" MMO until BlizZard tips their hand. Wish it wasn't so... but it is what it is.

 

Umm..?

Did I ask if any game will ever be as successful as WoW?

No.

 

You know, this is one of the reasons why I stopped playing MMOs almost all together.....these games and you ppl are so one-dimensional.

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Umm...? I'd probably punt the attitude and just discard the opinion if it didn't pique my interest. The response was honest, and probably accurate, to some extent. I hear you as the comic book guy in the Simpsons...nice work!

I could actually see this kind of MMO title out there. It'd be F2P if (monthly) you gave up rights to your 10 second misogynistic rant to some stolen sample, otherwise it costs 5 rocks worth of fake coinstar "visa" per quarter. Also, there'd be a short IQ quiz that would require a score somehwere below 90 in order to qualify for the perpetual paid beta.

NEATO!

...gotta agree with ^ ....

The horrible thing about this is that I already KNEW what the replies would be, but I opened the thread anyway. LOL!

...damn, I sure wish there were actually people here who played this game when it was first out. I can't even tell you how I cringe when people talk about UO or EQ as the "first MMORPG" games available...

Best PVP: Meridian 59 (which for some reason all but one person here actually remembers, but it predates UO and EQ) which BTW Mortal Online is copying the flagging concept from M59, which is quite cool, IMO.

Best PVE: EQ ...hands down

Seriously, only ONE person vaguely remembers Meridian 59? Man...I'm old, and apparently daft as well....

M59 predates EQ by almost 2 years, and to date, imo, still had the best pvp scheme....

Everyone early on said EQ, which of course was a world beater right off the bat. It forged a new path in the online gaming world, and was the standard to beat in the "mainstream" mmorpg world.

...still, maybe not many remember it, but Meridian 59 broke the ground for a pay to play mmorpg and to this day I still think that world had the best pvp ever. The schools of magic there have never been beaten. yeah Qor may have been overweighted somewhat, but anyone who ever mastered it would have made a strong argument that the process surely justified the power.

and the power shifts were nicely done long before such concepts were fronted in the mainstream games.

does ANYONE here remember M59?

Honestly, gotta go with the poster above. I have, for some stupid reason, tried time and again to find anything better than Newegg, and they've never been beat yet in my experience.

Originally posted by Cody1174

 I have noticed that most MMORPG players seem to have a strong affinity to their first serious MMORPG.

UO, EQ, Asheron's Call, DAOC, SWG, ect.. original players are having a tough time sticking to the newer games.

I played Asheron's Call:Darktide server(ffa pvp) and other than WoW and SWG, I am having trouble sticking to a game for more than 1-2 months. I absolutely love the character skill creation freedom of Asheron's Call and I haven't really came across a new game I like. Loot is so random, unique armor/weapons drop every kill. Twitch based combat, player housing, tons of dungeons. ect...

Everyone seems to be waiting for that new game alot like their old one.

 

...all too true!! My first was Meridian 59 which I still think had the most fun PvP ever, and at the time there was just nothing else ever like it...

The graphics in it suck by today's standards, even the worst of the new games blow the M59 engine away, but I can't say I ever had as much fun or staying power in any other game. EQ was close, though.

Originally posted by Gestankfaust

Originally posted by hidden1

Originally posted by templarga

Did you seriously just cite Wikipedia in an intelligent debate on GameGuard? No offense but before I sound the alaram and worry about what a program does, I need a little more than a user edited database where anyone can post. Its the same reason I would automaticaly fail students who cite any Wiki in a paper...its about as unreliable as X-Fire stats.

 

Edit: Oh and let me add, if you are truly worried about privacy issues, you need to delete Windows immediately...its 1000 times more invasive than any rootkit. Just my opinion.

 

I don't think that's the point he's trying to make here.  I think he's pointing out that a legitamate company is using subversive methods of installing some software in the background without the user being aware.  I'm not saying Game Gaurd is bad either but it's the methodology that is in question.  Companies should post what is being installed with your game regardless of wether it's for one benefit or all.  Or are you saying we should just trust all companies with allowing for possible root installs without the prior knowledge and/or consent of the user. 

Frankly it makes no difference to me if it's considered safe or not, it's just gives game companies too much power, and/or potential control of our privacy.

Why take a chance... I'd rather someone overract than just sit there and not think about the potential risks and consequences of a potentially empowering bit of software.

 

 

Seriously....you see something in the background installed? Besides the anti cheat prog?

 

really??

...well, it's the methodology of the "anti cheat" program that's called into question. That and the fact that it doesn't go away upon uninstall.

Methodology aside, if the thing wiped itself completely upon uninstall, I'd probably be a little more accepting of it IF I felt like that was an appropriate solution as an anti cheat method.

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Originally posted by Margulis

I am so frustrated with this.  Today I went from pep level 3 to 0 because of the random disconnections that happened while I was busy fighting in areas infested with mobs.  It seems other people are dealing with this also, but some more than others.  I've played multiple mmos on this computer in this location and never have had this problem.  Has anyone else come up with a solution to this?

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Not me...I find myself in the same situation, though I must say I am having a newb's good time so far. I play about 5 other online games and have had NO connection probs anywhere else tho...

Ani
 

Originally posted by 9216544

Originally posted by Shard101

Originally posted by Deathstiny

will probably depend on how well the P2P closed Beta goes.

A release date for Darkfall has not been set yet.

 

Darkfail

 

Good one?

not so much...no
 

Idol threats? Like..."I hate this game so much I'm gonna sign up for American Idol!!!!"

....sorry...had to...

Originally posted by JohnMcClane

lol mate I have plenty of loot its not hard to get wit so many scrubs running round. its too bloody easy this game. i mean maybe im just skilled lol but its way too easy to fight in this game and it takes no skill. say wat u want about wow but you do more than just roll ur face across a keyboard to slash someone up.

you have no skills...mad, bad, or otherwise

Originally posted by DragonxIvan

I feel bad for all the noobs who didnt know about Darkfall until recently go to the Offical Website and can't find any info on how to buy the game to play lol!

 

Darkfall is so good so gangsta that even if you got the money$$$ You can't have it!

So wait like a good bitch and you'll have your Darkfall eventually you lame ass jump on the band-wagon when its hot, hoes!

 

 

Do they still have free popsicles in 7th grade? Do they still order 5 green for every other 1 good flavor?

Originally posted by vmoped

Originally posted by bodypass

 

 

The past 2 weekends ddidn't look very good on Xfire, which now shows a 26/1 ratio between Wow and War Xfire players. WE all know that that figure was 6/1 at the end of September....

 

Just divide 5Million by 26 and it is indeed under the 250K (200K even).

 

 

Only one problem with you logic. I and everyone I know who plays WAR do not use x-fire. Does that mean we do not count toward subscription numbers?  So they, along with many other companies, are cutting jobs. Welcome to the current economy. Do you want a medal for your prediction? How about this, why not go play the game you enjoy, we will play ours, and everyone can be happy without going around and trying to inflate their e-peens?

Cheers!

Now THAT...is one hell of a novel concept!

That would have been back in 77-78 when we had programming in jr. high. The machines were teletype, but we had the acoustic couplers going so we could have a rudimentary network, or we could play off of the school's big ass mainframe that took up just about an entire room....

...anyway, the  game was Star Trek, and you loaded it off of ticker tape. Basically it was along the lines of a text based MUD with a roll per action. Kinda weak by standards even from the '80's , but at the time it seemed like groundbreaking stuff. The class was 45 minutes long but by the time you got the tape loaded (and the couplers if you wanted to go head to head) you had about 7 minutes to play...

It was worth it though...

1. Meridian 59,,,decent graphics for the time, and pvp that's still unmatched

2. EQ 1 Before PoP

3. UO for the first month.....