Nukacola:

Please write more coherently. And please organize your post a bit better, it is difficult to tell what you are whinning about.

You are correct about your views of the AoC community, the reason for that is AoC is a bad game, bad games mean upset, whinney players. Why would you bother to write two guides for people you can't stand?

There are larger guilds, but they are on Cimmeria, the most populated server I know. Tranny doesn't hold a candle to Cimmeria's population.

And chiding people to "learn to play" when you play the absolutely easiest class in AoC is just silly (sort of like a Guardian telling a conquerer to "learn to tank better"). And any 14 year old with fraps can make PVP videos.

Congradulations on your new MMORPG account. You will have good company with the rest of the new members from AoC.

Avery:

Please stop throwing month old interviews that are full of outdated information up here on MMORPG, that is just sad. How old is the 2nd interview with the guild from Norway..I mean EU that you are going to put up later?

But the interview was very well written, so good job on that...

I too was dissapointed that the guild interviewed was a very tiny guild with very little experience with raiding and Sieging. I was also dissapointed that the guild was an old AO guild. So they may be somewhat biased towards Funcom (I'm not saying they are, but that is my perception considering they seem to be very fond of AO and Craig the game director).

Why couldn't you find a larger guild that has more experience in raiding and sieging?

On another note, I can see that the leader is not fond of the community, he considers them clueless, and he is happy with the "FOTM" OP Bear Shaman Class.

Overall the interview was very well written, but lacks substance due to the lack of experience exhibited by a very small guild, and the guild seems to have been "cherry picked" to get answers that the interviewer wanted to hear.

Next time find a guild that isn't heavily into AO, and that may be a bit more unbiased.

Heck, I thought Vanguard itself was a Vanguard killer..

But by joining the SOE lineup, it should have a long life, they tend to keep their games forever no matter if they are living or dead.

Originally posted by OrionMan

Originally posted by Soupgoblin

 

No, I specifcly remember that AoC got a 6/10 (on multiple reviews), and I'm sure that it deserved a 4 or a 5. A 5 is the average mark and AoC is below average on every level besides graphics and fan worship.

To bad that graphics and marketing doesn't count higher than gameplay, otherwise AoC might have gotten a better score. It would take six months and another four patches before the game could even think of hitting a 7-8. Of course with four patches worth of bugs, it might take eight months.

 

 

You should try AoC after patch 3.0. It's so much fun. Having a blast. What game are you playing now?

Actually I'm beta testing two games right now (can't tell you the names due to NDA), and both have more content and entertainment value than the beta game you are paying to play (unless you are employed by Funcom).

I'm sure you are having fun, some people are easily amused. The 3.0 patch brought more bugs from what I hear and the PVP patching isn't complete yet. You go ahead and enjoy your very tiny, unfinished world, raiding the same dungeons over and over, populated by neanderthals, while I enjoy my huge landscapes, with an awesome community that doesn't need to hype & market to survive.

Originally posted by pencilrick

Stuff like watching a train (aggroed monsters) get out of hand and attacking players who were sitting down and trying to meditate or get their mana back.

Or reading zone chat. ""Brox the Warrior just got killed by an Orc and has delevelled."

Hehe, I miss all of that stuff.  Logging in and having to be wary because somebody else's screw up in pulling a mob could aggro on you.

Heck, I remember laughing my ass off when a friend tried to pull a train on an AFK player, and ended up getting rooted by the train and his own character killed.

Those were the days.  Will we ever see them again in an MMO?

 

EQ is still around...

If you enjoyed it so much you should re-subscribe, no need to be melancholy

Two Bear Shamman...

They have great DPS and good heals, very easy to play due to being OP as compared to almost all other classes.

And the best thing is you don't have to be very good to play them

Originally posted by Azrile

 

Actually I was thinking of a scene from the West Wing where the President was told that a certain building was being bombed at night so at to limit the loss of life.  He said "tell that to the janitors working third shift".

In any event, I really think the only people who will have a hard time getting a job are the developers.  The server stuff was actually done well (no major downtimes etc).   And I think most of us can agree it would be a blessing to gamers everywhere if the developers of AOC find a new line of work.

They would do well in marketing...

They did so well in uber-hyping AoC before release and slathering all the Forum sites with marketing fans. You don't have to know much to be in advertising and you don't have to actually produce anything.

Originally posted by Vespers

 

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Originally posted by Silencium

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Originally posted by Battlekruse

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Originally posted by Unfinished

 

Almost word for word the Anarchy Online Halloween Event that's ben running for 5 years. 
Uncle Pumpkin Head The mad necromancer Benzim Ak-Bekit  comes to Rubi-Ka Hyboria.
I still wish they had recycled the fun and working  parts of AO when building AoC, they would have had a hit game.

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I hate halloween in AO, it's like they're forcing us to hunt for phats all day long!. It was better the year before all the mission drops were on the outdoors pumpkins so you could spend the entire time outdoors hunting them.
Give all pumpkinheads a 0,01% chance to drop QL200 ELLTS and I bet everybody will be hunting them all over RK, Hah. 

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We gotte very goode droppe from our the halloween ghost in AoC.

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Silencium, having these events is not really about the Oober Drops or the Phat Lewtz, but rather it is about the experience of participating in a rare event. The players who are concerned with getting the Halloween's Ultimate Sword of Devestation For All Eternity is the same type of player who runs into a group of lvl 50 event NPCs with his lvl 80 character in order to kill everything that moves in hopes of getting the best item in the game but only at the cost of ruining the event for all of the other players who wish to participate in the event and who are of the same level of the event NPCs. We call these type of players, Loot Whores.
Because of these few selfish individuals, most of the MMOs out there these days DONT have special events that reward players with loot that is classified as Very Exceptional but instead they give out fun items that wont unbalance the game for people who were not able to get these special items from the event.
 

To be fair, it isn't like the loot drops in AoC are realy worth a damn..

"Ooohh, I got 3 silver and a blue robe with +1.2 hiding, coool!!!"

And some folks don't understand what the holiday means, to them it is all about the candy.

Originally posted by CobraSolidus

Well WAR got 8/10. AoC is so definitely better than WAR so it is a strong 8/10 or even a 9/10 (with some more added material) in my book.

No, I specifcly remember that AoC got a 6/10 (on multiple reviews), and I'm sure that it deserved a 4 or a 5. A 5 is the average mark and AoC is below average on every level besides graphics and fan worship.

To bad that graphics and marketing doesn't count higher than gameplay, otherwise AoC might have gotten a better score. It would take six months and another four patches before the game could even think of hitting a 7-8. Of course with four patches worth of bugs, it might take eight months.

Originally posted by CobraSolidus

Originally posted by LordBonezy

If you don't count lack of anti-ganking system for the first 160+ days which probably wiped the first 300,000-400,000 subscribers off the books. The lack of server merges or character transfers, the lack of any favorable option for the majority of players has given them 2 real choices. Re-roll on another server, which about 1 in 3 were willing to do in my guild when it became obvious our server was dying or quit the game, which is what the overwhelming majority of players were doing and probably still are doing.

I'm sorry to say it but AOC is dead if they dont merge servers by X-mas. Great patch, I hear a lot of players are unhappy with combat changes, and the 2nd half of the PVP system, a system which has been in concept for years, development for months, testing for extended weeks, is rampantly being exploited by players attacking those just under 80 without fear of retaliation and with the support of Funcom's own Royal NPC Guard.

Nobody saw that screw up coming right? Uh huh.

The fundamental problem funcom has, is they don't listen to their customers, they don't intrepret what they are saying correctly, they also don't prioritize their customer needs because they don't actively search out or implement the value adding, product improvement, suggestions made by their customers. Until that changes, the game will continue to decline and be a hard sell.

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This is the most confusing thing I have read in a while. Let me just reassure you that other developers are as bad if not worse. I.e. I was trying to play WAR sometime back, but I was unable to run it due to bugs and performance issues. I posted and posted hoping to get help with my game, but I would not get anything else but fanbois telling me to shut my lies up. Look, where WAR is today. It is down the drain and already merging 22 servers out of operation. Do you think it's because they are so fantastic listeners. Hardly.. Keep things in perspective. And yes, I have seen suggestions from people ingame in AoC being implemented and complains being taken into consideration. FC is not a saint but this image you are projecting of just another developer is just completely off the charts.

Oddly enough, I had the exact same problems in the first 3 months trying to play AoC (how long has War been out?)

If you would read the AoC forums (specificly the TL forums), you will see that the test players complain about bugs, then when the patch hits live, those bugs are still there, meaning that AoC doesn't listen to their players.

Aoc ignored the problems for four full months before admitting that there were problems, sure they are being addressed now, but they have already proven that they could give a rodent's behind about you aor anyone that plays their games. And it isn't just AoC, they did the same thing with AO, they didn't get their crap together for 8-9 months with that game.

FC has a history of lying to and ignoring their customers, I'm not saying that they are the only company that does this, but FC has done this for the two MMOs they have made that I played.

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Originally posted by Soupgoblin

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Originally posted by LitigatorAB

It was tested on a bunch of level 80s on TL.  They should have included a whole bunch of level 60s too. :)

 

 

Thats funny there was a bunch of people when the leveling guys weren't available at all levels in Kesh quite a few times. Then again the patch was not just PvP.  This type of thing happens to lots of other different games patch updates. Sometimes things can work fine on a test server and then when introduced on live new bugs appear.

I was PvP'ing in Kesh in level 30's and 60's never encountered the app bug.

 

Please name those "lots of other different game patch updates"...

I believe that FC is in a league of its own concerning patches that work fine on test and are borked on live. Unless, of course they didn't work fine on test and they just ignore the test players (which has been mentioned on the AoC boards a few times).

 

Any game released this year has had bugs in their patches for example - common knowledge.

As for the posts on the official boards, I assume you mean the one made by Krakkken (check post history). Then again you could always go server specific forums / guild specific forums and see the guilds loving it...

Better yet have you logged in and even tried??? honestly?

I'l go look for Krakken's post (he is a bit of an ass sometimes)...

But I wasn't necessarily talking about just the current patch, I'm talking about every patch that AoC has released, I read the TL forums, and it seems that a lot of the bugs that they complained about were the same bugs that we got to complain about on the live servers.

And as far as your comment about  "all the games realeased this year", how many games was that? Oh yeah, that was AoC and that "other game" that AoC players hate.

And no I have not tried since Oct 20, that was when my acct expired. I see no reason to pay for AoC, if they fix the game (add more 80 lvl content, 80 lvl zones, make the crafting worthwhile, and so I can craft higher lvl goods without belonging to a T3 guild, finish class nerfing/buffing) Then I may consider resubbing. Until then FC gets no more money from me

Originally posted by jp60

Originally posted by Soupgoblin
 

It has some new patches, but from reading their forums it isn't much to get excited about...

I haven't played WarHammer, so couldn't  say if either is better than the other, but there are other games than those two to choose from.

I would recommend LOTRO, EQ2, COH/COV, Vanguard before recommending AoC to a friend. AoC has a ways to go before I would consider re-subbing.

 

Good luck on your quest.

 

I Have actually played both COH and COV, Vanguard and LOTRO but never EQ2. Is the community in EQ2 dead or dieing?

I just got finished with the 14 day free trial, and the EQ2 community seems to be well established, but most players are higher lvl.

You may have to check out the forums to see where the more populated servers are, but I never had a problem getting a group in the 14 days I played on Unrest.

I think you can pick up EQ2 for about 20 bucks, it may be 30. But try the free 14 day trial, first.

http://everquest2.station.sony.com/freeTrial.vm

Originally posted by Sevenwind

I'm willing to look at the game again when DX10 comes out for it. For now I'm holding off.

Since Avery doesn't check his mailbox here  , does anyone know when the DX10 client for AoC is due to come out?

Will the news in the next 7 days say if a DX10 client is coming?

According to the game director, "they are working on it".

but don't get your hopes up, they had so many problems with the graphics in the well established DX9 format, that they may be pushing their luck to get everything working in DX10

Originally posted by jp60

I have been getting bored with all the new mmo's i have bought recently. So i decided to look back into AoC. The game looks stable now and looks to have soem new patches added into it. What would you say? RE SUB? or go back to WAR?

It has some new patches, but from reading their forums it isn't much to get excited about...

I haven't played WarHammer, so couldn't  say if either is better than the other, but there are other games than those two to choose from.

I would recommend LOTRO, EQ2, COH/COV, Vanguard before recommending AoC to a friend. AoC has a ways to go before I would consider re-subbing.

Good luck on your quest.

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Originally posted by LitigatorAB

It was tested on a bunch of level 80s on TL.  They should have included a whole bunch of level 60s too. :)

 

 

Thats funny there was a bunch of people when the leveling guys weren't available at all levels in Kesh quite a few times. Then again the patch was not just PvP.  This type of thing happens to lots of other different games patch updates. Sometimes things can work fine on a test server and then when introduced on live new bugs appear.

I was PvP'ing in Kesh in level 30's and 60's never encountered the app bug.

Please name those "lots of other different game patch updates"...

I believe that FC is in a league of its own concerning patches that work fine on test and are borked on live. Unless, of course they didn't work fine on test and they just ignore the test players (which has been mentioned on the AoC boards a few times).

Originally posted by Cyborg99

OK ppl, AOC didn't meet are expectations so, lets list what should be fixed and please no drama, just logical post with the problems you experienced and solutions you think would make the game better.

I beg you PLEASE no drama,  put aside your anger and please be logical. Thank you.

Well, first they need to be honest with the server population information, I doubt that all servers are medium.

Then they could start working on more upper lvl content for the folks that have already hit 80, so they have something better to do than going on raids to broken raid dungeons and hang around zone entrances acting like teenage thugs at the mini-mart.

Adding factions and race specific quests would be nice, they could even get rid of Tortage and have the 3 races start in their own towns so that they all have a completely different quest line to start with, then making alts wouldn't be so painful

Get rid of those stupid invisible walls on the sides of gentle inclines

Add the whore-houses and other content mentioned pre-release

Originally posted by Calintz333

Thanks for all yoru replies, I will NOT be trying this game, based on the sheer overwhelming number of disappointed players. I mean if it was 3/5 people talking bad about the game, hell even 1/2 the people, I would probably give it a shot, but when its more than 80% of the people who post, That sais something about the product.

Not even Korean Free 2 play grind fests have a 20% approval rating, that is bad lol. I guess I will make the safe choice, and spend 20 dollars to buy CoH&V Good vs Evil edition and play that instead, That game got awards and lots of nominations, so Im sure its at least enjoyable for a little while.

 

Thanks for your replies on this game.

COH/V is a great game, and they do frequent positive updates. You will have a great time with it.

Good luck

Originally posted by BearShammy

Originally posted by Polikarpov

Originally posted by BearShammy

Originally posted by Polikarpov

Originally posted by BearShammy

Yes in the same way lumache would be banned and just come back with another set of BS posting profiles. lol.. I am giving the guy a bump because AoC is a very good game. 10/10 you can't obviously take serious, but AoC is certainly up there. I easily give it a 8/10.

 

Things lumache says actually make sense. I usually agree with him. I suggest you try read his posts sometimes instead of attacking him or others personally. I know it pisses you off that 90% of people left your game but don't worry, it's all going to be over soon and you can move on.

Oh and I think AoC is a very mediocre game. I easily give it 6/10. For pvp I give it 5/10.

 

You usually agree with him?? lol, your joindate was after he left or got banned from this forum. How well do you know him really ?

 

I don't know him personally but I've read many of his posts. By the way, why are you always obsessed with join dates? You think that is real life "character level" or something?

 

Join date tell very much about a poster. In particular when a guy have been in MMORPG in 2 days and posted +50 AoC related posts all of the very very doomish, in a way that reveals that there is no interest at all from the posters side to discuss the game. It's posting driven my other agendas.

This is why I take note of join dates. Also another thing. Typical hyperposters, like yourself, also seem to appear in this forum when other hyperposters Vanish. If I was to pull my tinfoil hat on I would say lumache that got banned about the 29th of October now has reappeared as the russian/finish poster Polikarkov.

How can you say that when you have had your account less than a month and have already hit 80 posts?You started the day after the Pest made his "Call-toArms" post on the AoC forums, so I assume you are one of the spin doctors for FC.

Pot meet kettle....

AoC may become an 8/10 eventually, but right now it is barely a 5/10 with crafting a 3/10. Give FC another 6 months (at their current rate for updates) and the game will be great, right now the game is just a time-sink. They still won't listen to the test server players and their QA team is the worst in MMO history, the bugs that keep  being introduced with every patch combined with the sorry community makes the game unworthy of any MMO fan

Are the AoC forums so boring that you have to market here? Or is there another reason?

Originally posted by Malickie

My first suggestion would be geared toward resource collection, and improving the border region pvp.

In SWG (I know I mention this game to much) resource collection was interesting. A good way for AOC to implement something similar would be to have player owned mechanisms similar to what Conan was assigned to as a slave. They could be placed in the border regions or player cities.

To make things interesting they could allow players to kill your slaves/workers, slowing down your production levels, which would fuel some interesting pvp IMO and create a money sink for crafters.

That was one of the things I really liked about SWG, the crafting and resource hunting.

It would be awesome if AoC could introduce "slave crafting" or "slave harvesting" to the game (I'm not sure if there is enough area in the game to have slaves harvesting though) but anything that would keep me from having to kill thousands of animals far below my level for leather is good in my book.

Allowing people to slow your work output by killing your slaves could add more spice to the game, to me crafting was overly simple and harvesting  to big a pain in the backside.

Originally posted by denshing

Oh yeah, forgot to mention, it is a 600watt PSU

truy looking for the jumper on the board that will allow you to short out (and reset) bios to factory defaults.

you may need the manual to find it.

Only bump up the voltage in small incriments otherwise you will damage the processor .

 Some links to OCing that board:

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=387392

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/248231-29-q6600-overclocking-asus-750i-board